if it ends up panning out. I'm just not sure why any organization would take any actions that could let a beat reporter or otherwise figure out what is going on.
i am okay with floyd but trading up for him noooo. if it goes
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i pick up the phone and call jax, tehy signed gipson and dont need a FS, they may be willing to move back and we take ramsey...if jags take tunsil i call balt and say the same thing....
i am okay with floyd but trading up for him noooo. if it goes
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i pick up the phone and call jax, tehy signed gipson and dont need a FS, they may be willing to move back and we take ramsey...if jags take tunsil i call balt and say the same thing....
Don't think Baltimore would be willing to give up the option to draft Ramsey, unless they are blown away with an offer... I pray they trade down
titans at 15 need a RT, they take conklin. they dont want to move lewan, conklin makes a ton of sense, dont be surprised if they trade up to 8 with cleveland to take him
Miami if Elliott falls to us... Titans if there is an OT they are really interested in... Another team for Lynch... Houston for WR (they need to get their new QB toy another weapon)
Continue the same old processes... If they trade up, I'm gonna flip shit... Unless it's for Ramsey or Tunsil
If Floyd is the guy they want and have rated highest then you fucking go and get that guy , trade up / trade down / stay ....I don't care but get the guy you want
I don't think he's a top 10 talent. I'd be really pissed if they trade
Was Flowers THIS obvious as far out of the draft as Floyd has been (if we take him) ?
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
Was Flowers THIS obvious as far out of the draft as Floyd has been (if we take him) ?
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
Arc, not like this. A few days before he draft rumors were coming out that the Giants liked Flowers- the rest of the world had him going in the 20's so it really was a departure. The whole world knew it had to be O-Line, but people were debating Scherff v Peat, etc.
Tampa has been linked to Floyd for weeks as well. So have the Bears.. Players get linked to teams all the time.. Elliot has been linked to the Cowboys for MONTHS.. Miami apparently has the hots for Elliot as well...
Was Flowers THIS obvious as far out of the draft as Floyd has been (if we take him) ?
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
Yes. And I don't get the amazement by Eric and others. This isn't 1966. Where sources have to rush to a pay phone outside to alert a newspaper columnist. Now a days some janitorial engineer can talk to his wrist watch to send text message.
So if they want him, they probably will have to trade up.
Which I think they might do. Somebody in another thread said that if Floyd is gone, it will be Conklin and Fackrell.
I was the one to mention that. I heard plan A was Floyd but they wouldn't trade up for him. And plan B was Conklin at 10 and Fackrell in the 2nd round. I'd actually prefer the latter. I'd rather solidify the line while getting a poor man's Floyd in Fackrell.
Was Flowers THIS obvious as far out of the draft as Floyd has been (if we take him) ?
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
I don't think it was. Speculation seemed to see-saw between Scherff and Flowers.
We used to be good at keeping draft secrets. It does seem like everyone knows. As far as Floyd, I hate the pick because it is a luxury selection. Floyd is a linebacker who can't really play the position. As in tackle. As a pass rushing end, he is, as Mayock stated, "underpowered". Yeah, he is explosive, and he could be something off the edge. But we need players, and more importantly, we need fighters. I was down on the Flowers kid last year and said some things about the PERSON that I regret. As a player, he is what I expected, unrefined, and still a question mark to some degree. He looks promising though. As a person, he is an A+ in the sense that he brings toughness and attitude that has been lacking around here for a long time. That is why I would prefer Conklin. Two nasty bookends could really transform this team. Go defense the rest of the way if you have too, but at 10, I hope it is Conklin.
I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
to wind up with the Giants. Speed/Quickness=Impact player matched up with Beckham and Cruz? Dynamic combination. Is it our most critical need? It's up there. That's too high by almost everybody's viewpoint. But he is going be a excellent player. Conklin or Floyd would not be a remote thrower, but U would not run around in circles.
I've been saying the same thing to a friend of mine. I started paying attention to the draft in 2000. I've never seen a pick that is this obvious. I'd be happy with Floyd, but it's so obvious it seems like bullshit.
I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
And everybody will just believe it AND act on it to hurt us? You really think if you are the GM of another team that is what you finally rely upon to go make a move...that would be crazy.
And even if they did, so what? We move onto the next guy and we are harmed how? You think we are losing the next Lawrence Taylor?
I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
And everybody will just believe it AND act on it to hurt us? You really think if you are the GM of another team that is what you finally rely upon to go make a move...that would be crazy.
And even if they did, so what? We move onto the next guy and we are harmed how? You think we are losing the next Lawrence Taylor?
The whole point is just to say nothing, if you really want that player. The whole thing stinks like rotten fish.
I don't recall anyone having him top 15. Giants were the first team t be linked to him and now supposedly he is a lock for top 10.
So, I would say the Giants were ahead of the curve on this guy. But I don't know if I would trade up for him. A lot of good DL available. I'd rather have them trade back
I don't recall anyone having him top 15. Giants were the first team t be linked to him and now supposedly he is a lock for top 10.
So, I would say the Giants were ahead of the curve on this guy. But I don't know if I would trade up for him. A lot of good DL available. I'd rather have them trade back
Its been said for WEEKS that the media was behind the curve in regards to the narrative on Floyd..
And Tampa has been linked to Floyd for a while.. as have the Bears.. 9,10,11..
Going by the beat writers and our resident ass hats the Giants have a hard on for Floyd, Conklin, and Elliot and now are supposedly looking to trade up. They supposedly hate Bosa and liked jack but his injury is too much.
but Flowers name came in late. Even then there were questions on who we would draft. Before that Wilson, Pugh, OBJ were all not well known. Sure some guys like Eric knew, but in general it was much more quiet. The noise over Floyd has me very skeptical. Its pretty much to the point that if anyone behind us wants him they now know they have to trade up. Why would we offer up this information?
before he was picked so this isn't exactly anything new. I don't know what it is with this front office but when it comes to the draft, they practically tell the world who they want.
In my opinion, the Giants should adjust their board as the draft goes along. I mean the fact that everyone knows who the Giants are going to take means that they will take that player come hell or high water. They did that with Pugh. They did that with Flowers. Supposedly they were going to take Solder before the Patriots took him so they "settled" on Prince. It's like they don't adjust their boards. You should stick to your big board and while you may have a SENSE of who will be available, don't set your sights on any one or two player who you expect to be available because potentially better players might fall to you. Adjust accordingly!
But maybe I'm just overthinking and overanalyzing it. Maybe they really do believe that these players are the best players available.
It doesn't make any sense for the Giants to leak information on who they are interested in. However, if the Giants having been making calls to teams they would consider trading up for, those organizations could leak this information to entice better offers.
For instance, if the Giants called Cleveland to inquire what it would take to trade up with them, in case a certain player falls to #8 such as Floyd, Jack, Buckner, or Elliott, then Cleveland may leak that information to the public or reporters in hopes that another team calls up and offers them more than what the Giants proposed. Does anyone really believe Philly traded up to #2 without knowing who the Rams were taking at #1? Of course not! Teams talk to each other and often spill the beans about what the other teams are trying to do.
Everyone has some idea of what players each team should be interested in. As the GMs start calling each other about possible deals, the list gets narrowed down. It is no secret the Giants need a RT, FS, WR, and better LBs and a stud RB wouldn't hurt and pass rushers are always welcome or cover CBs. Since Floyd is listed as the 2nd best edge rusher, he gets identified as a likely target. That isn't necessarily a leak, just kind of common sense. No safeties are rated worthy of consideration here, so that's off the board. We need another WR, and Treadwell gets associated with us, but he runs a poor 40 time, so that decreases his allure. That pretty much narrows things down to 2 LBs Jack and Floyd, the CB Hargreaves, and a franchise RB in Elliott, and if those players are gone, we go after the next available OT in Conklin.
Now that Jack's medical history reduces his chance of playing beyond 3 yrs, teams in the top 10 can't risk taking him. That's not necessarily a leak, just common sense. So without any special knowledge, almost everyone by this time, knows that the likely players to fall to the Giants are Floyd, Elliott, Hargreaves, and Conklin. No one in their right mind will take a LB who might only play 3 years. It's common knowledge admitted by the player himself. At this point, does anyone really care if the Giants actually told a reporter they wouldn't draft Jack when that just makes total sense to anyone. There is no disadvantage gained here as all the NFL teams already have figured that one out by themselves!
On the other hand, everyone already knows who TB is interested in. If the Giants want to get the same player, let's assume that's Floyd, then it is very likely the Giants contacted Cleveland of another team drafting in front of TB to inquire about the cost and obviously that team will need to know who the Giants are interested in case that is the player they might want if they drop to #10. Cleveland then tries to get another team to up the ante and tells them about the Giant's offer. This is where leaks occur the most I think.
I don't see that the Giants are really leaking information about who they are interested in. The public knows who attends pro days, and who gets invited for tryouts and interviews, and what scouts were looking at certain players. The world has some idea who every team is likely to take, if not exactly who they will take.
1) Rams take Goff
2) Philly takes Wenz
3) SD takes Tunsil, Stanley, Ramsey, or Buckner
4) Dallas takes Ramsey, Elliott, Bosa or Buckner
5) Jags take Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, Jack (unlikely), or Floyd due to Jack's medical.
My point is: what is often attributed to leaks may be nothing more than good detective work or good deductions. Fans being suspicious by nature are inclined to believe this knowledge is due to leaks. Who knows!
These guys work in the closed circle that is the N-F-Fucking-L. They aren't getting their info from beat reporters...they probably already know someone involved in the organization.
I feel like smoke screens are bullshit and teams are too busy worrying about what they will do in the situations presented to them to try and trick other teams via Jordan Ranaan and Ralph Vachiano
If the beat writers know that the Giants love Floyd and that a team will have to trade up ahead of them to get him, there's likely a scout on the said team who knows a guy who knows a scout on the Giants......
These guys work in the closed circle that is the N-F-Fucking-L. They aren't getting their info from beat reporters...they probably already know someone involved in the organization.
I feel like smoke screens are bullshit and teams are too busy worrying about what they will do in the situations presented to them to try and trick other teams via Jordan Ranaan and Ralph Vachiano
If the beat writers know that the Giants love Floyd and that a team will have to trade up ahead of them to get him, there's likely a scout on the said team who knows a guy who knows a scout on the Giants......
including Floyd. There are a few excellent choices that will be there at 10 and fill a need immediately. Floyd is o e of them and fills the most glaring need, so people are latching on to him, in my opinion. Likewise, last year it wasn't until the very last minute (not the literal minute before their pick) that people were locked in on Flowers. It was more that it started to look like he might be there when they picked.
RE: Floyd was not even in the picture in early mocks
I don't recall anyone having him top 15. Giants were the first team t be linked to him and now supposedly he is a lock for top 10.
I think it was the other way around. The Giants were not the first team linked to Floyd; Floyd was the first player linked to the Giants once Reese personally attended his pro day. Others have said that is a known tell for Reese in league circles.
has this idiotic size/speed metric he abides by as compared to actual production, thanks to 'Finding Giants'.
This isn't hard. Go look at Accorsi's mid-round reach specials. It's the same logic. Too much projection, not enough production.
The only difference is Ernie kept that stuff out of the first round largely.
Are you saying the Giants have recently valued projection over production in the first round? I don't think that's so at all. Every first rounder they've brought in over the past several years was an accomplished player that put up numbers. Even David Wilson, a late pick, was his conference player of the year and lit up the school record book.
will be good pros. But I do know they Giants have so many holes in their roster that it's dumb to trade up and spend multiple picks in one round. They did it last year for Collins and he seems like nothing special. They've done it in the mid rounds quite a bit and it's never been worth it. Since we know they have never traded down the best we can hope for is they stay in their spot and hopefully hit on multiple picks this year.
There is greater sensitivity this time around, I suspect
Continue the same old processes... If they trade up, I'm gonna flip shit... Unless it's for Ramsey or Tunsil
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i pick up the phone and call jax, tehy signed gipson and dont need a FS, they may be willing to move back and we take ramsey...if jags take tunsil i call balt and say the same thing....
Which I think they might do. Somebody in another thread said that if Floyd is gone, it will be Conklin and Fackrell.
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i pick up the phone and call jax, tehy signed gipson and dont need a FS, they may be willing to move back and we take ramsey...if jags take tunsil i call balt and say the same thing....
Don't think Baltimore would be willing to give up the option to draft Ramsey, unless they are blown away with an offer... I pray they trade down
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titans at 15 need a RT, they take conklin. they dont want to move lewan, conklin makes a ton of sense, dont be surprised if they trade up to 8 with cleveland to take him
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Haven't you been clued in, but have not shared with us, who the pick was out of respect to your sources?
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Miami if Elliott falls to us... Titans if there is an OT they are really interested in... Another team for Lynch... Houston for WR (they need to get their new QB toy another weapon)
So any astute observer can predict choices
So any astute observer can predict choices
Not to the level of certainty that we had last year with Flowers and potentially this year
So any astute observer can predict choices
Exactly , pretty sure the other teams with large media markets have the same issue
Continue the same old processes... If they trade up, I'm gonna flip shit... Unless it's for Ramsey or Tunsil
If Floyd is the guy they want and have rated highest then you fucking go and get that guy , trade up / trade down / stay ....I don't care but get the guy you want
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Miami at 13/Titans at 15/Jets at 20
Sounds great but who is there worth giving up picks for?
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
Arc, not like this. A few days before he draft rumors were coming out that the Giants liked Flowers- the rest of the world had him going in the 20's so it really was a departure. The whole world knew it had to be O-Line, but people were debating Scherff v Peat, etc.
The writers have had Flloyd for months.
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Miami at 13/Titans at 15/Jets at 20
Sounds great but who is there worth giving up picks for?
Lynch.
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
Yes. And I don't get the amazement by Eric and others. This isn't 1966. Where sources have to rush to a pay phone outside to alert a newspaper columnist. Now a days some janitorial engineer can talk to his wrist watch to send text message.
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Which I think they might do. Somebody in another thread said that if Floyd is gone, it will be Conklin and Fackrell.
I was the one to mention that. I heard plan A was Floyd but they wouldn't trade up for him. And plan B was Conklin at 10 and Fackrell in the 2nd round. I'd actually prefer the latter. I'd rather solidify the line while getting a poor man's Floyd in Fackrell.
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Miami at 13/Titans at 15/Jets at 20
Sounds great but who is there worth giving up picks for?
Lynch.
I think he meant who would be there that the Giants would be interested in...
Treadwell, Coleman, Decker, Apple, Jackson III, Lawson, Nkemdiche all sound good in a trade down scenario
I don't really remember, I know the day of it sounded pretty certain we were taking him but it seems like we've been hearing about Floyd for a really long time.
I don't think it was. Speculation seemed to see-saw between Scherff and Flowers.
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
The beauty of draft week, I guess.
Tomorrow night can't get here soon enough.
Might be something to all this but it hasn't been a consistent thing. Prince was a surprise because he dropped to us...Who called us drafting JPP?
If we draft Floyd what's the problem? The only issue I see is if someone moves up to take him before us. Even then,next player on the board right?
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I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
And everybody will just believe it AND act on it to hurt us? You really think if you are the GM of another team that is what you finally rely upon to go make a move...that would be crazy.
And even if they did, so what? We move onto the next guy and we are harmed how? You think we are losing the next Lawrence Taylor?
Haven't you been clued in, but have not shared with us, who the pick was out of respect to your sources?
People posting here are the ones who contact me. You're hearing what I'm hearing.
Exactly. Guy belongs in the twenties.
The team is in need of depth, not that "one great player away" nonsense that a tradeup would indicate.
Hang tight at 10, and see if someone falls to them, if not try to move down....safest pick is Conklin, if big talents are gone.
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I still would like to know how you have it locked the Giants have to have Leonard Floyd? Because we need LBs and we have a relatively early pick and he is a relatively early LB expected to be picked...whoa, stop the presses...
And if so, so what that its leaked?
What difference does it make...
Why leak that Jack is off their board? Why not give the impression they stil are interested in Jack? Sends a signal to the rest of the teams and moves Floyd up other team's boards. This all is crazy.
And everybody will just believe it AND act on it to hurt us? You really think if you are the GM of another team that is what you finally rely upon to go make a move...that would be crazy.
And even if they did, so what? We move onto the next guy and we are harmed how? You think we are losing the next Lawrence Taylor?
The whole point is just to say nothing, if you really want that player. The whole thing stinks like rotten fish.
So, I would say the Giants were ahead of the curve on this guy. But I don't know if I would trade up for him. A lot of good DL available. I'd rather have them trade back
I also don't remember ereck flowers being mentioned as often as sherff and some others last year. Again some serious revisionism going on.
So, I would say the Giants were ahead of the curve on this guy. But I don't know if I would trade up for him. A lot of good DL available. I'd rather have them trade back
Its been said for WEEKS that the media was behind the curve in regards to the narrative on Floyd..
And Tampa has been linked to Floyd for a while.. as have the Bears.. 9,10,11..
This is not a surprise at all in all honesty
Let's see how it plays out.
But maybe I'm just overthinking and overanalyzing it. Maybe they really do believe that these players are the best players available.
FLOYD
CONKLIN
HARGREAVES III
Happy with any of the three.
For instance, if the Giants called Cleveland to inquire what it would take to trade up with them, in case a certain player falls to #8 such as Floyd, Jack, Buckner, or Elliott, then Cleveland may leak that information to the public or reporters in hopes that another team calls up and offers them more than what the Giants proposed. Does anyone really believe Philly traded up to #2 without knowing who the Rams were taking at #1? Of course not! Teams talk to each other and often spill the beans about what the other teams are trying to do.
Everyone has some idea of what players each team should be interested in. As the GMs start calling each other about possible deals, the list gets narrowed down. It is no secret the Giants need a RT, FS, WR, and better LBs and a stud RB wouldn't hurt and pass rushers are always welcome or cover CBs. Since Floyd is listed as the 2nd best edge rusher, he gets identified as a likely target. That isn't necessarily a leak, just kind of common sense. No safeties are rated worthy of consideration here, so that's off the board. We need another WR, and Treadwell gets associated with us, but he runs a poor 40 time, so that decreases his allure. That pretty much narrows things down to 2 LBs Jack and Floyd, the CB Hargreaves, and a franchise RB in Elliott, and if those players are gone, we go after the next available OT in Conklin.
Now that Jack's medical history reduces his chance of playing beyond 3 yrs, teams in the top 10 can't risk taking him. That's not necessarily a leak, just common sense. So without any special knowledge, almost everyone by this time, knows that the likely players to fall to the Giants are Floyd, Elliott, Hargreaves, and Conklin. No one in their right mind will take a LB who might only play 3 years. It's common knowledge admitted by the player himself. At this point, does anyone really care if the Giants actually told a reporter they wouldn't draft Jack when that just makes total sense to anyone. There is no disadvantage gained here as all the NFL teams already have figured that one out by themselves!
On the other hand, everyone already knows who TB is interested in. If the Giants want to get the same player, let's assume that's Floyd, then it is very likely the Giants contacted Cleveland of another team drafting in front of TB to inquire about the cost and obviously that team will need to know who the Giants are interested in case that is the player they might want if they drop to #10. Cleveland then tries to get another team to up the ante and tells them about the Giant's offer. This is where leaks occur the most I think.
I don't see that the Giants are really leaking information about who they are interested in. The public knows who attends pro days, and who gets invited for tryouts and interviews, and what scouts were looking at certain players. The world has some idea who every team is likely to take, if not exactly who they will take.
1) Rams take Goff
2) Philly takes Wenz
3) SD takes Tunsil, Stanley, Ramsey, or Buckner
4) Dallas takes Ramsey, Elliott, Bosa or Buckner
5) Jags take Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, Jack (unlikely), or Floyd due to Jack's medical.
My point is: what is often attributed to leaks may be nothing more than good detective work or good deductions. Fans being suspicious by nature are inclined to believe this knowledge is due to leaks. Who knows!
I feel like smoke screens are bullshit and teams are too busy worrying about what they will do in the situations presented to them to try and trick other teams via Jordan Ranaan and Ralph Vachiano
If the beat writers know that the Giants love Floyd and that a team will have to trade up ahead of them to get him, there's likely a scout on the said team who knows a guy who knows a scout on the Giants......
Just my opinion, I could be wrong
I feel like smoke screens are bullshit and teams are too busy worrying about what they will do in the situations presented to them to try and trick other teams via Jordan Ranaan and Ralph Vachiano
If the beat writers know that the Giants love Floyd and that a team will have to trade up ahead of them to get him, there's likely a scout on the said team who knows a guy who knows a scout on the Giants......
Just my opinion, I could be wrong
But why does it Always have to be like that?
I think it was the other way around. The Giants were not the first team linked to Floyd; Floyd was the first player linked to the Giants once Reese personally attended his pro day. Others have said that is a known tell for Reese in league circles.
This isn't hard. Go look at Accorsi's mid-round reach specials. It's the same logic. Too much projection, not enough production.
The only difference is Ernie kept that stuff out of the first round largely.
This isn't hard. Go look at Accorsi's mid-round reach specials. It's the same logic. Too much projection, not enough production.
The only difference is Ernie kept that stuff out of the first round largely.
Are you saying the Giants have recently valued projection over production in the first round? I don't think that's so at all. Every first rounder they've brought in over the past several years was an accomplished player that put up numbers. Even David Wilson, a late pick, was his conference player of the year and lit up the school record book.