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Why is this information out there? Ridiculous. This organization needs a makeover.

I'd rather reach for Coleman then take Floyd.

but holy shit, if they pass up Jack for Floyd, that is a fucking remote thrower right there...

In comment 12926228 Marty866b said:

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Why is this information out there? Ridiculous. This organization needs a makeover.

You could hate on the organization for the leaks or credit our beat writers for having the sources and breaking the news.

For what? That we have people employed by the Giants who are blabbermouths? This is the time when you keep things close to the vest. The Rams don't even want to tell anyone who they are picking.

earlier today was leaked to bait the Giants into a trade up. Paranoid? Maybe. But it adds up. At 3:30 Rappaport tweeted the above about Floyd. At about 8 rumors of the Giants trading up first appeared. The rumors state Elliot would be the target but I think that part is speculation, everything points to Floyd. Really hope they don't trade up period let alone for Floyd (or Elliot, for that matter). I go back and forth with taking him at 10 let alone giving up a pick.

But, like I just said on my thread, they have an equally cavernous receiver hole on the side opposite OBJ.

THEY created this situation. Reuben Randle's 14.0 average, 8 TD production wasn't good enough. I get it. But now what ?

Even if Victor Cruz comes back 100% to reclaim his slot position, that doesn't help fill the hole left by Randle.

What if the Jaguars take Floyd at 5? Then Conklin?

before the 10th pick. Imo this would be a big mistake with all the other better talent at the 10th pick. Passing on maybe Hargreaves or Elliott, Sheldon Rabnkins?, Myles Jack, Conklin, Treadwell, Decker, and Coleman?? smh, not good..

In comment 12926228 Marty866b said:

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Why is this information out there? Ridiculous. This organization needs a makeover.

In comment 12926244 Marty866b said:

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For what? That we have people employed by the Giants who are blabbermouths? This is the time when you keep things close to the vest. The Rams don't even want to tell anyone who they are picking.

Does this same standard apply to asshats? Serious question (or as serious as possible while using a term like "asshats")

1. Thanks, Eric, for paying attention to this stuff late at night.

2. You guys need to chill. These aren't state secrets and you literally have 0 idea whether this information is true or not.

In comment 12926232 Sonic Youth said:

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but holy shit, if they pass up Jack for Floyd, that is a fucking remote thrower right there...

the guy who publicly admitted he could need microfracture surgery down the line?

Chorus too strong to ignore

We've been targeting floyd for a while now, and the fact that true whole fucking front office and coaching staff went to his proday proves it.

In comment 12926302 OBJ31 said:

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In comment 12926232 Sonic Youth said: Quote: but holy shit, if they pass up Jack for Floyd, that is a fucking remote thrower right there... the guy who publicly admitted he could need microfracture surgery down the line?

I'm not mad with either one, but if Jack needs microfracture surgery in 2020, I'll take it.

As an uninformed armchair fan analyst, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this dude was the Offensive AND Defensive Pac-12 Rookie of the Year... That's a football player and someone who instinctively knows how to play the game. I'll shoot for greatness here (not that Floyd can't be great - contrary to most people on this board, I think his skillset is actually a great fit for the modern NFL and that his ceiling is absurdly high, but his relative lack of production is concerning).

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In comment 12926232 Sonic Youth said: Quote: but holy shit, if they pass up Jack for Floyd, that is a fucking remote thrower right there... the guy who publicly admitted he could need microfracture surgery down the line?

I'm not mad with either one, but if Jack needs microfracture surgery in 2020, I'll take it.

As an uninformed armchair fan analyst, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this dude was the Offensive AND Defensive Pac-12 Rookie of the Year... That's a football player and someone who instinctively knows how to play the game. I'll shoot for greatness here (not that Floyd can't be great - contrary to most people on this board, I think his skillset is actually a great fit for the modern NFL and that his ceiling is absurdly high, but his relative lack of production is concerning).

in large part because no one else likely available at 10 really excites me.

Floyd is a weapon against the passing game in an increasingly pass heavy league.

He'll likely be taken off the field on obvious run downs, but finding a good run playing LBer is easier than a good pass coverage AND pass rushing LBer.


Also the Giants need another pass rusher to allow Vernon to move inside on passing downs.

Am still worried about his ability to get to a reasonable playing weight though.

by 20 pounds, he won't bench and can't tackle but proceed.

What happens if Victor Cruz returns heathy this year? Now you've spent the 10th pick in the draft on a receiver who will hardly see the field and will be the third option on most routes (when we're not throwing swing passes to a back or passes to the tight end). How much have you improved your team? As fashionable as it is on this Board to say you can't count on Cruz; it's equally true that you can't count on him not being here.

In comment 12926306 huygens20 said:

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Chorus too strong to ignore We've been targeting floyd for a while now, and the fact that true whole fucking front office and coaching staff went to his proday proves it.

And Floyd didn't end up doing anything at his pro day. He was 'sick'. So they didn't get to see anything. Which means it's a lock they pick him?

In comment 12926334 Randy in CT said:

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by 20 pounds, he won't bench and can't tackle but proceed.

his combine weight was like 250...

In comment 12926395 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12926306 huygens20 said: Quote: Chorus too strong to ignore We've been targeting floyd for a while now, and the fact that true whole fucking front office and coaching staff went to his proday proves it. And Floyd didn't end up doing anything at his pro day. He was 'sick'. So they didn't get to see anything. Which means it's a lock they pick him?

That is what bothers me the most about him. What was the real reason for not showing is what begs to be asked

is Chris Mara or someone close to him because no other option makes sense.

But my ex-wife shot the wedding of a beat writer, at this event were several other beat writers. Several photos of said event were asked to be destroyed and not included on blog posts. There was a mysterious man there who was in each of the photos and who was seen in several shots with said writers. All were destroyed to protect the writers and this source. PHotos of the writers alone were not destroyed but this man was erased from the wedding. No I am not kidding.

In comment 12926394 WillieYoung said:

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What happens if Victor Cruz returns heathy this year? Now you've spent the 10th pick in the draft on a receiver who will hardly see the field and will be the third option on most routes (when we're not throwing swing passes to a back or passes to the tight end). How much have you improved your team? As fashionable as it is on this Board to say you can't count on Cruz; it's equally true that you can't count on him not being here.

Firstly, that "if" is John Holmes-sized and way more likely to be proven false than not. Second, the starting wideouts do see the field. It's the slot receiver who sees less time and in the Giants offense all three would be on the field more often than not.

On Floyd, it seems to me like Ralph's enthusiasm is more for historical reasons; that we should take a lb because we haven't done it forever, rather than because of this particular player or urgency in team need. We can improve at lb, you can always improve. And I'm not saying that it's not even a weakness. Of course it's a weakness among many. But a starting WR is a canyon. Putting it another way, a lb gets us better but in terms of wins its incremental at best. A starting WR (even Ruben Randle quality WR), OTOH and considering the defensive improvements already made (and seemingly always ignored when we discuss the current team and the draft), is the difference between contending for divisional championship and trading down for a shitload of picks in next year's draft.

In comment 12926440 Joey in VA said:

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But my ex-wife shot the wedding of a beat writer, at this event were several other beat writers. Several photos of said event were asked to be destroyed and not included on blog posts. There was a mysterious man there who was in each of the photos and who was seen in several shots with said writers. All were destroyed to protect the writers and this source. PHotos of the writers alone were not destroyed but this man was erased from the wedding. No I am not kidding.

??? who is this man you are referring to? lol

In comment 12926394 WillieYoung said:

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What happens if Victor Cruz returns heathy this year? Now you've spent the 10th pick in the draft on a receiver who will hardly see the field and will be the third option on most routes (when we're not throwing swing passes to a back or passes to the tight end). How much have you improved your team? As fashionable as it is on this Board to say you can't count on Cruz; it's equally true that you can't count on him not being here.

cruz plays in the slot, we need another outside guy.
cruz will be there but you cannot count on him for substantial production. IMO you draft an OUTSIDE WR in round 2 and if cruz comes back its gravy

In comment 12926424 BigBlueCane said:

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is Chris Mara or someone close to him because no other option makes sense.

Agree - b/c he isnt getting fired either. Total conflict of interest there - but they can do wtf they want I guess.

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In comment 12926440 Joey in VA said: Quote: But my ex-wife shot the wedding of a beat writer, at this event were several other beat writers. Several photos of said event were asked to be destroyed and not included on blog posts. There was a mysterious man there who was in each of the photos and who was seen in several shots with said writers. All were destroyed to protect the writers and this source. PHotos of the writers alone were not destroyed but this man was erased from the wedding. No I am not kidding. ??? who is this man you are referring to? lol

Do you have a death wish? Jesus.

In comment 12926232 Sonic Youth said:

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but holy shit, if they pass up Jack for Floyd, that is a fucking remote thrower right there...

It's not if they have serious concerns about Jack's knee.

If Jack were 100% healthy he would never even be in the conversation to begin with because he'd be off the board well before we picked.

is likely to be gone, especially with Jack in all likelihood no longer a viable option for teams in front of us. That leaves Conklin. But Reese could easily trade down. Is Conklin greater than say pick #20, and another second? Not in my view. Trading down would still allow Reese to get Kyler Fackrell, who is very similar to Floyd. I don’t want Fackrell, but they do have the same lanky frame and length.

In comment 12926394 WillieYoung said:

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What happens if Victor Cruz returns heathy this year? Now you've spent the 10th pick in the draft on a receiver who will hardly see the field and will be the third option on most routes (when we're not throwing swing passes to a back or passes to the tight end). How much have you improved your team? As fashionable as it is on this Board to say you can't count on Cruz; it's equally true that you can't count on him not being here.

Cruz was better at slot. He was never as good on the outside. 3 WR set is becoming the base which means you need 3 starters.

Don't just say they're better, I can tell that from their draft rounds. But in terms of where they would be used or what they would be asked to do on the field. Is there redundancy?

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In comment 12926394 WillieYoung said: Quote: What happens if Victor Cruz returns heathy this year? Now you've spent the 10th pick in the draft on a receiver who will hardly see the field and will be the third option on most routes (when we're not throwing swing passes to a back or passes to the tight end). How much have you improved your team? As fashionable as it is on this Board to say you can't count on Cruz; it's equally true that you can't count on him not being here. Cruz was better at slot. He was never as good on the outside. 3 WR set is becoming the base which means you need 3 starters.

we have exactly one. Granted, a great one, but he's not two much less three.

It was D.B. Cooper.

There are no more leaks than what other teams experience..We are just keenly clued in to everything Giants and their beat writers..There's no fucking mole!

would find the mole and banish him to the black cells

I sat there looking for this person and deleting his photos.

In comment 12926532 Joey in VA said:

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I sat there looking for this person and deleting his photos.

and you did a great job too - that fellow has been weeded out