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2016 NFL Draft: Pre-Draft Discussion Thread (Day 1)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 7:44 am
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It's a 7 player draft  
NNJ Tom : 4/28/2016 11:57 am : link
If you add in the 2 QBs that's 9, Giants pick 10th.

If some team screws up, Giants get a stud. If not, they pick from a long list of flawed players, hopefully BPA.

We need another team desperate for a QB to trade up.



Team needs.  
vthaven : 4/28/2016 12:07 pm : link
I think they need a WR badly. I hope that they get Sterling Shepherd(sp)by tomorrow.
RE: SPOOONNNN!!!!!  
GiantsLaw : 4/28/2016 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12926850 JohnVB said:
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I was a SPOON-er! good times.
Myers NYDN  
Defenderdawg : 4/28/2016 12:26 pm : link
Gary Myers (@garymyersNYDN)
4/28/16, 12:17 PM
Now I'm hearing NYG will for sure go for best OT on board at No. 10 and that looks like Jack Conklin. Want OT over LB Leonard Floyd
RE: Myers NYDN  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12927363 Defenderdawg said:
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Gary Myers (@garymyersNYDN)
4/28/16, 12:17 PM
Now I'm hearing NYG will for sure go for best OT on board at No. 10 and that looks like Jack Conklin. Want OT over LB Leonard Floyd


FFS.
one of  
BIGbluegermany : 4/28/2016 12:33 pm : link
the three top OT,please!let's finnish the rebuild of the o-line
I'd still go with Jack  
Sec 103 : 4/28/2016 12:33 pm : link
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The "now I am hearing"  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2016 12:37 pm : link
line is comical. Just stop.
Why would anyone listen to gary myers for giants news?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2016 12:39 pm : link
.
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arcarsenal : 4/28/2016 12:40 pm : link
LOLGaryMyers....
RE: RE: SPOOONNNN!!!!!  
JohnVB : 4/28/2016 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12927342 GiantsLaw said:
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In comment 12926850 JohnVB said:


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I was a SPOON-er! good times.


Lol.

What about Kenny Britt vs Hakeem Nicks?
RE: RE: RE: SPOOONNNN!!!!!  
GiantsLaw : 4/28/2016 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12927439 JohnVB said:
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In comment 12927342 GiantsLaw said:

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In comment 12926850 JohnVB said:


What about Kenny Britt vs Hakeem Nicks?

I wanted Maualuga (yeah, I ask for LB every year!)
WalterFootball  
sphinx : 4/28/2016 1:06 pm : link
Charlie Campbell 1 minute ago
Per sources, #Redkins targeting an Alabama player in the first round. #Jaguars target Bosa. Jack plan B.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 1:19 pm : link
Peter Schrager ‏@PSchrags 24m24 minutes ago

3. Leonard Floyd could be a real possibility to Jacksonville at 5. If not, don't expect him to slip past 11. @NFLonFOX
RE: WalterFootball  
kash94 : 4/28/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12927507 sphinx said:
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Charlie Campbell 1 minute ago
Per sources, #Redkins targeting an Alabama player in the first round. #Jaguars target Bosa. Jack plan B.


1-LA: Goff
2-PHI: Wentz
3-SD: Ramsey
4-DAL: Elliott
5-JAC: Bosa
6-BAL: Brukner
7-SF: Tunsil
8-CLE: Stanley
9-TB: Floyd
10-NYG: Conklin w/ Hargraeves and Jack still on the board?
Trade down  
B in ALB : 4/28/2016 1:27 pm : link
One or two of their targets will still be there at 15-20. Grab another pick. Outside of maybe three or four guys this draft is somewhat devoid of no-brainer picks.
At this point, there is too much conflicting crap  
DonnieD89 : 4/28/2016 1:27 pm : link
between selecting Floyd and Conklin. I wonder if these are smokescreens for another targeted player.
SY 56  
Thegratefulhead : 4/28/2016 1:28 pm : link
Please give us a Giants mock
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 1:38 pm : link
Peter Schrager ‏@PSchrags 6m6 minutes ago

Do Jags take Leonard Floyd at 5? I know one team in top 10 who has him as top rated pass rusher in Draft. 6 hours to go! @NFLonFOX
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 1:52 pm : link
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 18m18 minutes ago

Sources: #Bama LB Reggie Ragland was flagged for an enlarged aorta, which requires yearly monitoring. Some teams have pushed him down a bit
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 1:55 pm : link
Cory Curtis ‏@CoryCurtis2 4m4 minutes ago

If the Titans want Jack Conklin it sounds like they have to beat the Giants to it. Trading into back half of top 10 is a REAL possibility
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BigBlue1092 : 4/28/2016 1:58 pm : link
1-Goff
2-Wentz
3-Stanley
4-Ramsey
5-Floyd
6-Buckner
7-Tunsil
8-Conklin
9-Hargreaves
10-Elliot? Jack? Treadwell?
If Bosa drops to 10,  
Simms11 : 4/28/2016 2:00 pm : link
which is now a possibility, do the Giants grab him or do they feel he's overrated?
RE: If Bosa drops to 10,  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/28/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12927668 Simms11 said:
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which is now a possibility, do the Giants grab him or do they feel he's overrated?

read somewhere Giants have no interest in Bosa, not close to their type of player with what they seek at DE athletic ability/bend wise and obviously his offield flags are a big no no for Giants FO
RE: ...  
Carson53 : 4/28/2016 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12926657 Eric from BBI said:
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- I still think the most likely pick is Georgia linebacker Leonard Floyd. The Giants haven't taken a linebacker in the first round since Carl Banks in 1984, but all the things I wrote seven weeks ago about why Floyd could buck that trend hold up. He's a player the Giants' scouts and front office have loved for months, and there are people high up in the brain trust who believe he will and should be the pick.

- That said, Floyd is a hot name recently, and I've heard him connected with Tampa Bay at No. 9, Cleveland at No. 8, San Francisco at No. 7 and even Jacksonville at No. 5. So there's a chance the Giants might not be able to get him at No. 10.

- If Floyd is gone -- and possibly even if he's not -- the Giants could take an offensive player. Some in the brain trust have expressed the opinion that, after spending more than $100 million in guaranteed money on defensive free agents, it would be unwise for the Giants to also spend their top-10 pick on that side of the ball. Those people would prefer to take an offensive lineman in the top 10 for the second year in a row. The Giants' top-rated offensive lineman is Mississippi's Laremy Tunsil, but the odds are not good that he'll last until No. 10. I have been told their No. 2 offensive lineman is Michigan State's Jack Conklin, who could potentially start as a rookie at right tackle and allow the coaching staff to keep Flowers on the left side, where they believe he has elite upside.

- Multiple people have told me the Giants will not select UCLA linebacker Myles Jack at No. 10. Concerns about the condition of Jack's knee, combined with the Giants' generally lukewarm feelings about first-round linebackers (remember, they view Floyd as a pass-rusher who happens to play linebacker), have slid him far enough down their board that they think No. 10 is too high. The most-injured team in the league the past three years, the Giants aren't up for a first-round injury risk.

- I also don't expect them to take Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott, mainly because they think No. 10 is too high to take a running back when that's one of the few positions on their roster that has any depth and they have so many needs elsewhere. I can't get Elliott ruled out completely by people in the know, but I think a lot of weird things would have to happen in the top nine for him to be the pick at 10.

- They liked Florida cornerback Vernon Hargreaves at one point in this process, and could still take him. But I have not heard a lot of serious buzz about him and the Giants in the past week.

- If the Giants take an offensive player in the first round, a second-round name to keep an eye on could be Eastern Kentucky's Noah Spence -- the former five-star pass-rusher who got kicked out of Ohio State for multiple failed drug tests. Spence could get taken in the first round, but if he doesn't, he could be there for the Giants at No. 40 overall, and he brings the kind of high-end upside they crave in their young pass-rushers.

- I don't see them taking a receiver in the first round unless they trade down, which would be unprecedented in the Jerry Reese era. If you're looking for second- or third-round names to watch at wide receiver, think about Ohio State's Braxton Miller or Oklahoma's Sterling Shepard.

Leonard Floyd? Jack Conklin? The latest on the Giants' first-round draft plans - ( New Window )



I would be surprised if Floyd goes before #10, but you never really know. Outside of the first 2 picks, not
quite sure in this draft. I probably agree on Jack, at least
as far as the Giants are concerned with his medicals.
It wouldn't bother me at least if they take a Conklin.
I don't know what the love affair is with a project like
Braxton Miller. If they are going to draft a receiver
by Round 3, draft a frigging receiver. I know the kid is
a good athlete. JR has drafted enough projects in the 3rd,
simply as a team, NOT in a position to do that NOW!
Curious...  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/28/2016 2:11 pm : link
any reason why Conklin was just a walk on at Mich St.? Did he not play football or not possess the traits of 4* or 5* recruits?
Not  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 2:11 pm : link
that it matters, but I'm officially in the Conklin over Floyd camp. I like Floyd, and he brings some skills that the Giants just don't have, but there are definitely some red flags.

I'm also a believer that you need to be able to run the ball in order to have success, and Conklin would be a big help in the run game for 10+ years.
Jacksonville is the team  
BSIMatt : 4/28/2016 2:14 pm : link
that scheduled a last minute meeting with Floyd on Tuesday, had their defensive coordinator meet with him.
RE: Jacksonville is the team  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12927703 BSIMatt said:
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that scheduled a last minute meeting with Floyd on Tuesday, had their defensive coordinator meet with him.


Big news if true.

Source?
Well found the background info on Conklin...  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/28/2016 2:17 pm : link
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Allen Trieu: This one is a little bit of a different story from the rest. Jack wasn't a five-star recruit. Heck, he wasn't even a two-star recruit.
His father, Darren Conklin, was also his high school coach, and Coach Conklin contacted me in April of 2011 to get me some information on Jack. He said at the time, that despite no offers, and despite maybe some bias as being his father, he felt his son could play for and contribute at a major college.
He had already started two years on varsity and was 6-foot-5, 280 pounds. He ran a 5.14 forty (he ran 5.00 at the NFL Combine this year) and carried a 3.5 GPA in the classroom. Everything seemed to check off.
The film, however, was hard to evaluate. It was shot from far away, was a little grainy and it was hard to tell just how good the prospect was. His dad explained that some of their opponents didn't offer great spots to shoot from facilities-wise.
The family visited Colorado and Northwestern, but with no offers. Ball State, Eastern Michigan and others came to the school, but no offers. I saw him at Michigan's camp. He performed well. No offer. Not even from the MAC programs who were there. He skipped the high-exposure camp, Sound Mind Sound Body, to go to Wisconsin, but no offer came from the Badgers.
Early in his senior season, his dad sent me an updated three-game highlight. Not only was the film quality better, but Jack looked better. He was now 6-foot-6 and crushing opponents. Still, no offers came.
In February, Coach Conklin informed me that Jack would be going to Fork Union Military Academy despite preferred walk-on offers from Western Michigan, Michigan and Illinois. Part of that was because Jack was a young senior and wouldn't turn 18 until August. He would have an opportunity to be recruited again by D-1 schools at FUMA and earn a scholarship.
In April, nearly a year after he had first made contact, Coach Conklin told us that Michigan State had offered Jack and he committed to the Spartans, no longer attending Fork Union. They were still figuring out when his scholarship would start, but it was essentially a greyshirt offer.
After seeing his full senior tape, the Spartans knew he was a kid they wanted. It was obvious then that they had a gem, but it still was not obvious we were looking at a future NFL 1st Round draft choice.
Every year it feels the same  
SwirlingEddie : 4/28/2016 2:34 pm : link
The break in real talent is expected to happen just before our pick and we will be left to settle for a decent player with obvious warts to his game.

Of course every team, unless they have the first overall pick, probably feels the same way! And our overanalysis and tireless debate of draft prospects makes their flaws seem all the larger. By this point we almost forget how good these players are. We'll get a good one.

Enjoy tonight guys!
Trade  
HoustonGiant : 4/28/2016 2:41 pm : link
Down
If i'm the giants  
RAIN : 4/28/2016 2:42 pm : link
I don't trade up. This is all smoke. Jax wants Jack, wants to trade down to get him.

Browns want more picks and are raffling off the pick at #8. Elliot is the play there.

If I'm the Giants, i'm working with Titans to try and trade back. Three players in the top 45 is something that should be a goal.

We could get a Corner (apple or hargreaves) or WR in rd 1, then a Guard (Whitehair or Garnett) with the first of our 2's, Then a slot CB or WR in the second of our 2's.

Or, If we are sitting at #15, we could trade down again to get a third second rounder + and really infuse the roster with some talent on both sides of the ball.



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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 2:48 pm : link
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Cowboys are working scenarios, but they sound like they are debating: #OSU RB Zeke Elliott vs. #FSU CB Jalen Ramsey.
Did Francesa just say his "sources" said  
Mason : 4/28/2016 2:52 pm : link
1. Floyd
2. Conklin
3. Lawson

in that order?
RE: ...  
est1986 : 4/28/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12927813 Eric from BBI said:
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Cowboys are working scenarios, but they sound like they are debating: #OSU RB Zeke Elliott vs. #FSU CB Jalen Ramsey.


How can they take Zeke over Jalen.. Does Jax take Bosa?
RE: Did Francesa just say his  
mphbullet36 : 4/28/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12927836 Mason said:
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1. Floyd
2. Conklin
3. Lawson

in that order?


shaq lawson should be no where near the conversation.
I like Lawson  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2016 2:57 pm : link
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Bet the Giants  
Rflairr : 4/28/2016 2:59 pm : link
Surprise everyone and pick Rankins. Get a pass rushing DT to rotate with Hankins and Snacks
RE: I like Lawson  
mphbullet36 : 4/28/2016 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12927860 Victor in CT said:
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in a trade down scenario fine. But he is not a top 10 talent.
RE: Bet the Giants  
jeff57 : 4/28/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12927863 Rflairr said:
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Surprise everyone and pick Rankins. Get a pass rushing DT to rotate with Hankins and Snacks

Wouldn't mind that at all. Like Rankins a lot.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 4/28/2016 3:10 pm : link
"I'm not sure who Chargers are taking at No. 3 but I'm told by source it isn't gonna be Ron Stanley. We'll know for sure soon." - Alex Marvez, FOX Sports

Draft Elliott  
Giants in 07 : 4/28/2016 3:20 pm : link
Sign Jerraud Powers
Trade for Anthony Davis
WR/DE (Shepard, Spence) in the 2nd
LB in the 3rd

I can't get over the prospect of Beckham and Elliott in blue for years to come.
RE: RE: ...  
RAIN : 4/28/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12927839 est1986 said:
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In comment 12927813 Eric from BBI said:


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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Cowboys are working scenarios, but they sound like they are debating: #OSU RB Zeke Elliott vs. #FSU CB Jalen Ramsey.



How can they take Zeke over Jalen.. Does Jax take Bosa?


Because Elliot is a very, very good prospect. Speed, Power, Catching, Blocking, healthy, etc. He's plug and play.
I think Bosa is the guy thats going to drop  
Rflairr : 4/28/2016 3:23 pm : link
Booger McFarland said he knows Rod Marineli well. And Bosa isn't the type of DE he likes. The Cowboys aren't going to take him
I want rankins  
rdt288 : 4/28/2016 3:28 pm : link
Could you imagine
Rankins, snacks, Hankins, Olivier, JPP?!?!?
I want one of Elliott/Treadwell/Stanley  
Giants31 : 4/28/2016 3:29 pm : link
If we get Stanley, it would be great to get a Spence or Sterling Shepard with our second rounder. For me to get my wish, everyone on the planet would have to be wrong about either Floyd or Conklin to the Giants.
Booger McFarland  
cedwards : 4/28/2016 3:31 pm : link
Is Booger McFarland the guy from Revenge of the Nerds?
The OT 6-7-8 scenario  
shyster : 4/28/2016 3:32 pm : link
3. Buckner
4. Ramsey
5. Bosa
6. Tunsil
7. Stanley
8. Conklin (Titans' trade-up)
9. Hargreaves
10. Who else?
RE: Booger McFarland  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12927970 cedwards said:
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Is Booger McFarland the guy from Revenge of the Nerds?


no, "He Got Game"

Booger in Revenge of the Nerds is Dudley Dawson
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