Its a Friggen Joke ...
It's Simple he is Fast Dynamic 1st step .
As far as Covering RB's and TE's he has
ZERO Interceptions and 5 Forced Fumbles
Shit Osi could do that in a Half a Season .
MAYBE he is going to be a better pro but
time will tell .
My hopeful guess is that the reports were wrong and Floyd is still 240 to 250. The supposed stomach issues combined with the supposed weight loss makes me paranoid that the guy has digestive issues or something like Crohns.
those gifs above look pretty nice to me. I was really torn by the negative stuff I've been reading. I know it's just a few videos, but damn. Looks like something to work with. And he wouldn't be coming to us "with a knee" like Jack.
Thanks ryan for those gifs. I feel much better now.
BC he can cover TE's and is athletic- thats the hoopla
other then that, I think he shouldnt be our pick. He reminds me of Quentin Coples , but Floyd can cover TE's....
Im a huge Georgia fan and watch all of their games and I never ever thought he would be a top ten pick until I heard he was rising on all these boards a couple months ago. No way should he go at pick 10 or before. Maybe mid to late 1st. I thought he would be too tall to play LB'er so in the NFL he would be turned into a DE. But the Giants seem to think he can handle 3 downs in the NFL. No way.
I think Darron Lee is better.
So unless we want to trade back for a good LB'er like Reggie Ragland or Darron Lee, I wouldnt risk having Floyd who is a 3-4 outside LB'er at pick 10. No way.
They want a DE, trade back and get Shaq Lawson or Robert Nkemidiche(Sp?) and pick up an extra pick, we could use it.
At pick 10, the player has to be able to come in and start. I think Stanley/Conklin can. I think Treadwell can. I think Hargreaves can at the slot to start off, if we trade back I even think Darron Lee or Ragland can too for LB.
Both of those LB'ers will be starting LB'ers for years to come. If we slide back and let a team get Lynch we can make out good, get a Ragland, Lee, Lawson, Treadwell, Apple and another pick or 2
I really don't want to spend yet another top pick on our line. I'm a firm believer in team attitude and we got rid of the trash. I think Flowers/Pugh/Richburg set the tone and as younger guys, will raise the level around them as well as the toughness.
We need a playmaker some where. Floyd, Hargreaves, Elliot can all be just that.
in disliking Floyd, since I normally ignore most things leading up to the draft and not ever look at footage of the potential picks. Not sure why this year was different. Maybe because people started targeting Floyd early on and I wanted to see what the excitement was about.
That's when it hit me - I watched the videos out there promoting Floyd and my thoughts were "These are the best plays they came up with"? So I started looking at Jack and the guy is making impact plays all over the place. One highlight reel of him contained at least a dozen instances of him making an impact. There's one where he rushes the passer, reverses field and makes the tackle on the ball carrier, from behind, WITH FORCE.
I watched some highlights of the OL and saw them getting pancakes and destroying guys, things you expect from highlights.
I really didn't expect to see Floyd and get an eyeful of several plays where he's in coverage and the guy catches the ball with him standing right there. I didn't expect to see a bunch of QB hurries (which gets a lot of people here jazzed up), where the QB throws the ball a step before Floyd arrives. I didn't expect to see highlights of him shedding a block, and then missing an arm tackle (yes - there is a clip of him doing that!).
I've literally never commented on more than a couple of pre-draft threads because I just don't care about most prospects, and the time I do, I come away as unimpressed as one can. I see the quickness. I see the potential. I just don't see the impact. This guy might be the #10 pick. We are going to want to see impact, not specialized play. He isn't joining the '85 Bears where Skinny Pete can be a complement to Singletary. He's joining a team with the worst LB's in the league and he'll be expected to make an impact, not cause a couple of hurries a game or be close enough to Witten to whisper "Great catch".
"well, I'd be OK with Floyd in the mid teens but NOT at 10." ??? Who cares, it's 5 picks. Most of the guys in that area are all rated the same. You gotta get your guy.
"well, I'd be OK with Floyd in the mid teens but NOT at 10." ??? Who cares, it's 5 picks. Most of the guys in that area are all rated the same. You gotta get your guy.
instead of another 1st round OL (assuming grades are similar), it might come down to would you rather have Jack and his knee or Floyd and his speed, wingspan and potential. Those gifs show there's a lot to work with, imo.
I'm not a remote thrower because I don't pretend to know better than the pros, so I'll be trusting Reese and co.
Don't want a guy that might not last the year. Great athlete yeah but micro fracture knee surgery waiting to happen. Alot of people want Conklin, he has a hard time blocking edge rushers and has slow feet. Do we really want him at #10? This draft has way to many variables in it. Top players are hurt and won't be drafted where they should. Not enough great players. Worried the giants will get stuck with plan b or c.
I don't want there to be stuff to work with at #10. That's for later rounds.
I want to say, "That's what we have!"
I don't want people to fall in love with a quick first step or his ability to stay with TE's if he isn't making plays. I think people underestimate that it isn't like this guy was at Maine Tech, he was at Georgia and he didn't dominate his peers. Thomas Davis was a Georgia LB who dominated his peers and had a highlight reel to marvel at. Everyone is marveling at potential or that he spun away from a lineman. Nobody is marveling at any actual plays, just his ability to possibly make a play.
RE: All the Georgia fans that I talk to ( I live in ATL)
I do wonder if the Noah Spence talk in round two is real. If they take Floyd in the first I think they should still take Spence in the second if he's the best on the board.
I really enjoyed your posts on Floyd. I'm in the "In Reece I Trust" camp, especially for the first round, and I don't claim to be an expert by any means. But your breakdown of Floyd's game was helpful and enlightening.
If the Giants draft him at #10, I'm going to assume that the guys that do this for a living know best. But your comments on this thread helped me understand more about Floyd's game and potential.
thanks. I've reiterated though that I will also trust the pros if Floyd is the pick and I will root like hell for him.
You will not hear me ever say "I told you so" if he fails. I take no joy in Giants failing.
My hope is that:
- He is taken before we pick
- If he's there we don't pick him
- We find a trading partner, move down and pick somebody else
Well, That was a lot to read but I also don't see the "impact" with Floyd. Everyone says he can cover well but the guy he covers caught the ball more often then not. I see a taller version of Osi who cant hold the edge if he was asked to (I know he is a LB). A guy that will get pushed around a bit in the NFL. long arms but always seemed to have someone in his chest.
1. 3 down player in year one
2. Pass Rush versatility will work well with JPP and Vernon.
3. Excellent in coverage and space.
4. Good player to have on your D vs read option. Will limit extended plays and runs by mobile QBs.
5. Chopperhatch hates the player
1. 3 down player in year one
2. Pass Rush versatility will work well with JPP and Vernon.
3. Excellent in coverage and space.
4. Good player to have on your D vs read option. Will limit extended plays and runs by mobile QBs.
5. Chopperhatch hates the player
Haha, #5 is great.
I'm actually really warming up to him. On another thread I stated how fun it will be to watch him, JPP, and Vernon just go to work together. The speed and hustle combo with those 3 would just be nuts. Add in the run stuffers with Hankins and Snacks and we can have a force of a front 7, making up for our lack of a FS.
With his lack of violent plays/contact, he should remain healthy.
All I can do is laugh, I can't say I didn't try. It is funny.
From 2 different scouts, one of which is Rob Rang. The other is one of those mysterious scouts who wish to remain anonymous.
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Has the requisite burst to surge past tackles as a speed rusher with underrated strength. He is surprisingly powerful at the point of attack, flashing dynamite in his hands with an effective hand slap to knock away blockers attempting to gain control.
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"The way they use him, he does everything at a high level. He covers the slot. He rushes the passer. They play him as a regular linebacker. I haven't seen anybody like him. Aldon Smith couldn't play up like this guy. Aldon was just go forward. I like him better than (Anthony) Barr. Barr wasn't the most physical guy. This guy plays hard."
I think NFL teams plan on using him much differently than Georgia did. From what I read and have seen, Georgia used him as an ILB much of the time.
I think NFL teams what to use him over the TE and as a pass rusher. Again, from what I read he has very unique coverage skills for a man with his body type. His first step is special. I do however worry about his ability/willingness to set the edge. I agree with FMiC in that he is not an impactful tackler.
He is 6'6" 245lbs who, by all accounts, has unique NFL coverage skills and a special first step. Most guys are one or the other, not both.
If he were an impactful tackler he would be in the discussion for San Diego.
First, he is down to like 230. Secondly, if he is to be used over the tight end, what is to stop teams from running right at him? A TE like Celek or Gronk would block him into the parking lot. If he is to be used in any capacity, it should be as a WILL.
other then that, I think he shouldnt be our pick. He reminds me of Quentin Coples , but Floyd can cover TE's....
Im a huge Georgia fan and watch all of their games and I never ever thought he would be a top ten pick until I heard he was rising on all these boards a couple months ago. No way should he go at pick 10 or before. Maybe mid to late 1st. I thought he would be too tall to play LB'er so in the NFL he would be turned into a DE. But the Giants seem to think he can handle 3 downs in the NFL. No way.
I think Darron Lee is better.
So unless we want to trade back for a good LB'er like Reggie Ragland or Darron Lee, I wouldnt risk having Floyd who is a 3-4 outside LB'er at pick 10. No way.
They want a DE, trade back and get Shaq Lawson or Robert Nkemidiche(Sp?) and pick up an extra pick, we could use it.
At pick 10, the player has to be able to come in and start. I think Stanley/Conklin can. I think Treadwell can. I think Hargreaves can at the slot to start off, if we trade back I even think Darron Lee or Ragland can too for LB.
Both of those LB'ers will be starting LB'ers for years to come. If we slide back and let a team get Lynch we can make out good, get a Ragland, Lee, Lawson, Treadwell, Apple and another pick or 2
Tough to find a trading partner though, unless lynch or Elliot are on the board. I'd probably take Elliot if he was available to be honest, but what do I know.
He can play over the TE just like Barr and others.
The OLB position doesn't matter for this player.
You don't have to flip him based on what the TE is doing or what the offense is doing. He will move from side to side. Play over the TE on some sets and on the other side. He will move forward to rush the QB and drop into coverage from both sides.
That's the value he brings. You dictate the action with this player and make it harder on the QB. You sure as hell don't have to hide him from a TE.
It's Simple he is Fast Dynamic 1st step .
As far as Covering RB's and TE's he has
ZERO Interceptions and 5 Forced Fumbles
Shit Osi could do that in a Half a Season .
MAYBE he is going to be a better pro but
time will tell .
Looking forward to seeing him covering Witten WHILE rushing Romo.
If he can do that, he's well worth the pick! ;-P
Thanks ryan for those gifs. I feel much better now.
Im a huge Georgia fan and watch all of their games and I never ever thought he would be a top ten pick until I heard he was rising on all these boards a couple months ago. No way should he go at pick 10 or before. Maybe mid to late 1st. I thought he would be too tall to play LB'er so in the NFL he would be turned into a DE. But the Giants seem to think he can handle 3 downs in the NFL. No way.
I think Darron Lee is better.
So unless we want to trade back for a good LB'er like Reggie Ragland or Darron Lee, I wouldnt risk having Floyd who is a 3-4 outside LB'er at pick 10. No way.
They want a DE, trade back and get Shaq Lawson or Robert Nkemidiche(Sp?) and pick up an extra pick, we could use it.
At pick 10, the player has to be able to come in and start. I think Stanley/Conklin can. I think Treadwell can. I think Hargreaves can at the slot to start off, if we trade back I even think Darron Lee or Ragland can too for LB.
Both of those LB'ers will be starting LB'ers for years to come. If we slide back and let a team get Lynch we can make out good, get a Ragland, Lee, Lawson, Treadwell, Apple and another pick or 2
We need a playmaker some where. Floyd, Hargreaves, Elliot can all be just that.
This is exactly how I feel, spot on
That's when it hit me - I watched the videos out there promoting Floyd and my thoughts were "These are the best plays they came up with"? So I started looking at Jack and the guy is making impact plays all over the place. One highlight reel of him contained at least a dozen instances of him making an impact. There's one where he rushes the passer, reverses field and makes the tackle on the ball carrier, from behind, WITH FORCE.
I watched some highlights of the OL and saw them getting pancakes and destroying guys, things you expect from highlights.
I really didn't expect to see Floyd and get an eyeful of several plays where he's in coverage and the guy catches the ball with him standing right there. I didn't expect to see a bunch of QB hurries (which gets a lot of people here jazzed up), where the QB throws the ball a step before Floyd arrives. I didn't expect to see highlights of him shedding a block, and then missing an arm tackle (yes - there is a clip of him doing that!).
I've literally never commented on more than a couple of pre-draft threads because I just don't care about most prospects, and the time I do, I come away as unimpressed as one can. I see the quickness. I see the potential. I just don't see the impact. This guy might be the #10 pick. We are going to want to see impact, not specialized play. He isn't joining the '85 Bears where Skinny Pete can be a complement to Singletary. He's joining a team with the worst LB's in the league and he'll be expected to make an impact, not cause a couple of hurries a game or be close enough to Witten to whisper "Great catch".
Finally something we agree on.
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Finally something we agree on.
It's draft day - a good omen!
I'm not a remote thrower because I don't pretend to know better than the pros, so I'll be trusting Reese and co.
I don't want there to be stuff to work with at #10. That's for later rounds.
I want to say, "That's what we have!"
I don't want people to fall in love with a quick first step or his ability to stay with TE's if he isn't making plays. I think people underestimate that it isn't like this guy was at Maine Tech, he was at Georgia and he didn't dominate his peers. Thomas Davis was a Georgia LB who dominated his peers and had a highlight reel to marvel at. Everyone is marveling at potential or that he spun away from a lineman. Nobody is marveling at any actual plays, just his ability to possibly make a play.
I believe most scouts disagree with that analysis
If the Giants draft him at #10, I'm going to assume that the guys that do this for a living know best. But your comments on this thread helped me understand more about Floyd's game and potential.
You will not hear me ever say "I told you so" if he fails. I take no joy in Giants failing.
My hope is that:
- He is taken before we pick
- If he's there we don't pick him
- We find a trading partner, move down and pick somebody else
You will not hear me ever say "I told you so" if he fails. I take no joy in Giants failing.
My hope is that:
- He is taken before we pick
- If he's there we don't pick him
- We find a trading partner, move down and pick somebody else
Well, That was a lot to read but I also don't see the "impact" with Floyd. Everyone says he can cover well but the guy he covers caught the ball more often then not. I see a taller version of Osi who cant hold the edge if he was asked to (I know he is a LB). A guy that will get pushed around a bit in the NFL. long arms but always seemed to have someone in his chest.
If we take him I hope none of it is true.
2. Pass Rush versatility will work well with JPP and Vernon.
3. Excellent in coverage and space.
4. Good player to have on your D vs read option. Will limit extended plays and runs by mobile QBs.
5. Chopperhatch hates the player
2. Pass Rush versatility will work well with JPP and Vernon.
3. Excellent in coverage and space.
4. Good player to have on your D vs read option. Will limit extended plays and runs by mobile QBs.
5. Chopperhatch hates the player
Haha, #5 is great.
I'm actually really warming up to him. On another thread I stated how fun it will be to watch him, JPP, and Vernon just go to work together. The speed and hustle combo with those 3 would just be nuts. Add in the run stuffers with Hankins and Snacks and we can have a force of a front 7, making up for our lack of a FS.
All I can do is laugh, I can't say I didn't try. It is funny.
From 2 different scouts, one of which is Rob Rang. The other is one of those mysterious scouts who wish to remain anonymous.
I think NFL teams what to use him over the TE and as a pass rusher. Again, from what I read he has very unique coverage skills for a man with his body type. His first step is special. I do however worry about his ability/willingness to set the edge. I agree with FMiC in that he is not an impactful tackler.
He is 6'6" 245lbs who, by all accounts, has unique NFL coverage skills and a special first step. Most guys are one or the other, not both.
If he were an impactful tackler he would be in the discussion for San Diego.
First, he is down to like 230. Secondly, if he is to be used over the tight end, what is to stop teams from running right at him? A TE like Celek or Gronk would block him into the parking lot. If he is to be used in any capacity, it should be as a WILL.
Im a huge Georgia fan and watch all of their games and I never ever thought he would be a top ten pick until I heard he was rising on all these boards a couple months ago. No way should he go at pick 10 or before. Maybe mid to late 1st. I thought he would be too tall to play LB'er so in the NFL he would be turned into a DE. But the Giants seem to think he can handle 3 downs in the NFL. No way.
I think Darron Lee is better.
So unless we want to trade back for a good LB'er like Reggie Ragland or Darron Lee, I wouldnt risk having Floyd who is a 3-4 outside LB'er at pick 10. No way.
They want a DE, trade back and get Shaq Lawson or Robert Nkemidiche(Sp?) and pick up an extra pick, we could use it.
At pick 10, the player has to be able to come in and start. I think Stanley/Conklin can. I think Treadwell can. I think Hargreaves can at the slot to start off, if we trade back I even think Darron Lee or Ragland can too for LB.
Both of those LB'ers will be starting LB'ers for years to come. If we slide back and let a team get Lynch we can make out good, get a Ragland, Lee, Lawson, Treadwell, Apple and another pick or 2
Tough to find a trading partner though, unless lynch or Elliot are on the board. I'd probably take Elliot if he was available to be honest, but what do I know.
The OLB position doesn't matter for this player.
You don't have to flip him based on what the TE is doing or what the offense is doing. He will move from side to side. Play over the TE on some sets and on the other side. He will move forward to rush the QB and drop into coverage from both sides.
That's the value he brings. You dictate the action with this player and make it harder on the QB. You sure as hell don't have to hide him from a TE.