Timothy Finnegan @TimFinn521 13h13 hours ago
Harvey has had problems holding his velocity after 75 or so pitches this year. Velo down to 92-93 so far in 5th at 80 p mark
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Timothy Finnegan @TimFinn521 13h13 hours ago
Harvey still not his vintage self but stuff looks way better tonight...encouraging progress
last night. I guess some people want 7 shut out innings in order for him to be "back". In my opinion (and I'm allowed), he was in control, his velocity was back, and aside for the first HR he was VERY good. Sure it's the Reds, and it wasn't a no-hitter... But Ill take THAT Harvey every single day of the year going forward.
I was VERY happy.
And I really dont care about how many hits he gave up either
There were at least three bullshit flairs he gave up and the defense behind him was laughable all night. He showed composure working in spite of the hysterics all night.
last night. I guess some people want 7 shut out innings in order for him to be "back". In my opinion (and I'm allowed), he was in control, his velocity was back, and aside for the first HR he was VERY good. Sure it's the Reds, and it wasn't a no-hitter... But Ill take THAT Harvey every single day of the year going forward.
I was VERY happy.
You are of course allowed to have your own opinion but almost every single article I have read this morning seems to align with my feelings including from Collins
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Harvey's night did not turn long or ugly. In fact, he settled into a groove after that first inning on Monday and tossed perhaps his best outing of the season in the Mets' 5-2 win over the Cincinnati Reds.
It wasn't great, but it was better, and that's what he and the team want to see right now.
Indeed, for Harvey, six innings and two earned runs is progress.
"(Pitching coach) Dan [Warthen] I have been working so hard the past couple weeks to figure out what's been going on, and we're moving in the right direction, so it's definitely a big positive tonight and a huge series for us," Harvey said.
Maybe even more important for Harvey, something he can take into his next start, is that on Wednesday in the sixth inning, when hit pitch count was nearing 100, he was able to light up the radar gun to 97 miles per hour and strike out the last hitter. It was the hardest his fastball has been all year on a consistent basis.
"I think the ball came out of his hand much better [Wednesday], much cleaner," manager Terry Collins said. "This is the best he's thrown all year. Again, we all expect great things out of these young guys because they're so good, and so talented, but we have to have a little bit of patience. He's making strides."
Harvey but he looked a lot better. Velocity was a tick up and his stuff just seemed to have more bite. Location not completely there yet, but last night was a very positive sign.
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
"I still didn't feel great the entire outing," Harvey said. "But overall, I was able to stay in my mechanics better, and kind of attack the hitters the way I normally would, and want to."
Certainly looked much better just wasn't "he's 100% looking like A+ Harvey" yet. Hopefully that's on the way.
Harvey but he looked a lot better. Velocity was a tick up and his stuff just seemed to have more bite. Location not completely there yet, but last night was a very positive sign.
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
97 on his last pitch was a great sign as was the increase in swing%. The lack of swing and misses was more troubling than the velocity the first few starts.
A step forward was what I needed to see. Didn't necessarily expect a completely dominant outing.. he'll hopefully work his way back to those. I just needed to see something better than the first few.. which it certainly was.
Let's say "Normal Harvey" grades out on a scale of 1-10
between 8-10 normally with 10 being extremely rare, and 8 and 9 most of the time. The first four games he graded out around a 3. Truly awful. He was about back to a 7 or even 8 last night.
Maybe that's bad terminology but the way I see it.
But yesterday was certainly a step in that direction. The velocity looked good. Got out of a couple of jams. Hopefully his next start is even better. I think this was a nice confidence booster though, if nothing else.
for the draft complaints. I'm excited for the draft. I'm reading rotoworld and twitter as we speak but 2 Mets threads in a sea of the same stuff over and over again shouldn't be bothering anyone. I'd say roughly 50% of the stuff regarding the draft on here is rehashing what we've all seen and personal proclamations "Jack is a stud!!!!!!"
Obviously he through a flat one to the first batter but he seemed to find it later. He struck out at least two hitters on the slider that I can recall. The change looked great all night.
perception of what Harvey was last year. I think people still remember that electric Harvey from 2013 that would throw 98 and excite the amasses. They see Syndergaard now and expect Harvey to be THAT type of pitcher again.
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
Harvey but he looked a lot better. Velocity was a tick up and his stuff just seemed to have more bite. Location not completely there yet, but last night was a very positive sign.
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
97 on his last pitch was a great sign as was the increase in swing%. The lack of swing and misses was more troubling than the velocity the first few starts.
for the draft complaints. I'm excited for the draft. I'm reading rotoworld and twitter as we speak but 2 Mets threads in a sea of the same stuff over and over again shouldn't be bothering anyone. I'd say roughly 50% of the stuff regarding the draft on here is rehashing what we've all seen and personal proclamations "Jack is a stud!!!!!!"
Two Mets threads is fine. Having a separate minors threads keeps that uncluttered. As long as you have the time to post em, I read the minors thread usually first thing when I get to work.
perception of what Harvey was last year. I think people still remember that electric Harvey from 2013 that would throw 98 and excite the amasses. They see Syndergaard now and expect Harvey to be THAT type of pitcher again.
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
No offense but that's just not true. Coming into last night he had 14 k's with 7 walks over 22.1 innings, last April he had 31 k's with 3 walks over 26.1 innings.
Conforto is a damn good looking player with stats to back it up, even yankee fans are telling me he's looks like the real deal.
Team scored 5 runs without Yo, Granderson, and Tda. They beat the teams they should beat and its just obvious on the field how much better they were than their opposition (Phi, Atl, Reds).
perception of what Harvey was last year. I think people still remember that electric Harvey from 2013 that would throw 98 and excite the amasses. They see Syndergaard now and expect Harvey to be THAT type of pitcher again.
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
No offense but that's just not true. Coming into last night he had 14 k's with 7 walks over 22.1 innings, last April he had 31 k's with 3 walks over 26.1 innings.
What?? Sorry Im lost. How does this correlate with anything we are talking about? You are combining his shitty starts with last night and comparing it to last year??
You just made the claim that people are expecting 2013 Harvey when he wasn't "that guy" last season yet last season he was absolutely dominant to open the season in comparison. Missing bats, not walking batters. You stated people were/are concerned about Harvey because of unrealistic expectations and I'm comparing April to April. Last April Matt Harvey was utterly dominant.
You just made the claim that people are expecting 2013 Harvey when he wasn't "that guy" last season yet last season he was absolutely dominant to open the season in comparison. Missing bats, not walking batters. You stated people were/are concerned about Harvey because of unrealistic expectations and I'm comparing April to April. Last April Matt Harvey was utterly dominant.
Wow. Its amazing how lost you get sometimes. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST NIGHTS GAME. People saying LAST NIGHTS GAME isn't good enough or not really vintage Harvey likely have unrealistic expectations of what he needs to look like is what Im saying. I said his start last night looked a lot like 2015 Harvey. If you extrapolate what he did last night over 5 more starts his numbers would look very similar to his April 15 so thanks for the layup.
So last night is as good as Matt Harvey looked as peak Harvey in 2015? Too bad Harvey and his own manager disagree. Who on here agrees with ZGiants that last nights start was equal Harvey's peak performance last season?
So last night is as good as Matt Harvey looked as peak Harvey in 2015? Too bad Harvey and his own manager disagree. Who on here agrees with ZGiants that last nights start was equal Harvey's peak performance last season?
Matt Harvey April 2015
26.2 innings 22 hits 3 walks 31 k's 0.94 whip 10.5 K/9
Matt Harvey April 2016
28.1 innings 34 hits 9 walks 21 k's 1.52 whip 6.67 k/9
Sometimes I really think you make up arguments because this makes absolutely no sense.
Where are your getting your numbers from? lol. He had 7 Ks last night. You multiply that times 5 and get 21??
Multiplying 5 starts? lol. So Harvey will only pitch against one of the worst teams in baseball every start? What kind of argument is that? Lets play in Coors field and start multiplying numbers. Nobody is even talking about his final line anyway, how he looked which was good, better, not vintage Harvey. You for some reason disagree. I've yet to read a single article or comment from anyone else on any site agreeing "woah he looked every bit as good as he did last year".
I am so utterly sick of Floyd threads. As though anyone posting on here as any idea how to evaluate players like that.
Keep the mets posts coming IMO
Considering there is only "limited" discussion of college football on here throughout the season, and the amount of games, teams etc that even if ALL of these "experts" were avid fans, how could they possibly lock into all of these players with such rabid opinions? lol I checked out a few youtube videos of guys we are in the mix for, and I'm admittedly far from a scout but the Floyd stuff is over the top on here
You're the one that brought Harvey's April stats in 2015 into it. You then combined what he has done in his shitty starts as a comparison this year which makes ZERO sense. I said what he did last night was good. If he did that for all of April (yes that assumes all teams) it would line up very well with last year is all.
wonder if the Mets have given any consideration to actually extending Walker. I wanted to try and extend Walker as soon as the trade was made so this isn't about his 9 homers but the guy is a really solid player and I think Herrera's rough start has to cause them to pause a little in believing he is going to be as good as Murphy/Walker. .219/.305/.260 in LV so far, and is the excuse is the shoulder then it's a major concern since it apparently hurt him all of last year as well.
I really wish we had Walker for 3 years instead of one. I know they can just get another 1st rder out of this but I'd honestly rather keep the player an additional year or two if possible.
I really wish we had Walker for 3 years instead of one. I know they can just get another 1st rder out of this but I'd honestly rather keep the player an additional year or two if possible.
If Wright truly retires, I think he could be considered for third and brought back. Lots of moving parts there though.
Harvey's velocity was back. His control was back. His results were back. I never said he had an elite start or anything like that.
Ugh. Lets please move on.
I think what the masses are saying is that it was nice to see Harvey pitch better, but they like to see a little more and against a little bit better competition. Outside KC, he really hasnt faced a playoff contending team.
I really wish we had Walker for 3 years instead of one. I know they can just get another 1st rder out of this but I'd honestly rather keep the player an additional year or two if possible.
First rounders are great and all but our window is now. Walker may fall off a cliff (he's not THIS) good but if you told me Walker 2017-2018 seasons or Herrera I'm betting on Walker. Odds are a first we get for Walker never plays a single season with deGrom or Harvey if they make it at all. Obviously I'll take the pick over not taking the pick.
Harvey's velocity was back. His control was back. His results were back. I never said he had an elite start or anything like that.
Ugh. Lets please move on.
I think what the masses are saying is that it was nice to see Harvey pitch better, but they like to see a little more and against a little bit better competition. Outside KC, he really hasnt faced a playoff contending team.
Harvey has had problems holding his velocity after 75 or so pitches this year. Velo down to 92-93 so far in 5th at 80 p mark
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Timothy Finnegan @TimFinn521 13h13 hours ago
Harvey still not his vintage self but stuff looks way better tonight...encouraging progress
Michael Fulmer MLB debut for Detroit tomorrow night
I was VERY happy.
How many "I want Floyd!" "I hate Floyd!" threads can you read?
I was VERY happy.
You are of course allowed to have your own opinion but almost every single article I have read this morning seems to align with my feelings including from Collins
It wasn't great, but it was better, and that's what he and the team want to see right now.
Indeed, for Harvey, six innings and two earned runs is progress.
"(Pitching coach) Dan [Warthen] I have been working so hard the past couple weeks to figure out what's been going on, and we're moving in the right direction, so it's definitely a big positive tonight and a huge series for us," Harvey said.
Maybe even more important for Harvey, something he can take into his next start, is that on Wednesday in the sixth inning, when hit pitch count was nearing 100, he was able to light up the radar gun to 97 miles per hour and strike out the last hitter. It was the hardest his fastball has been all year on a consistent basis.
"I think the ball came out of his hand much better [Wednesday], much cleaner," manager Terry Collins said. "This is the best he's thrown all year. Again, we all expect great things out of these young guys because they're so good, and so talented, but we have to have a little bit of patience. He's making strides."
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
Certainly looked much better just wasn't "he's 100% looking like A+ Harvey" yet. Hopefully that's on the way.
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
97 on his last pitch was a great sign as was the increase in swing%. The lack of swing and misses was more troubling than the velocity the first few starts.
He will build on it and keep getting better.
between 8-10 normally with 10 being extremely rare, and 8 and 9 most of the time. The first four games he graded out around a 3. Truly awful. He was about back to a 7 or even 8 last night.
Maybe that's bad terminology but the way I see it.
His change was good as well.
Breaking stuff was not so good - I don't think he has a bit of command on his slider at all yet.
But, given the worries about his velocity, I think yesterday was very encouraging. Expecting him to build on it.
I don't think it's a wild statement at all (especially given what others are saying here).
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
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Harvey but he looked a lot better. Velocity was a tick up and his stuff just seemed to have more bite. Location not completely there yet, but last night was a very positive sign.
Nats dropping two in a row to Philly is a nice gift too.
97 on his last pitch was a great sign as was the increase in swing%. The lack of swing and misses was more troubling than the velocity the first few starts.
+1
Two Mets threads is fine. Having a separate minors threads keeps that uncluttered. As long as you have the time to post em, I read the minors thread usually first thing when I get to work.
+1000
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
No offense but that's just not true. Coming into last night he had 14 k's with 7 walks over 22.1 innings, last April he had 31 k's with 3 walks over 26.1 innings.
Team scored 5 runs without Yo, Granderson, and Tda. They beat the teams they should beat and its just obvious on the field how much better they were than their opposition (Phi, Atl, Reds).
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perception of what Harvey was last year. I think people still remember that electric Harvey from 2013 that would throw 98 and excite the amasses. They see Syndergaard now and expect Harvey to be THAT type of pitcher again.
That wasn't Harvey last year at all. Harvey averaged 95 mph on his fastball in 2015 and looked very much like he did last night. In fact he barely even used his slider in 15. Mostly fastball, curveball, change.
No offense but that's just not true. Coming into last night he had 14 k's with 7 walks over 22.1 innings, last April he had 31 k's with 3 walks over 26.1 innings.
What?? Sorry Im lost. How does this correlate with anything we are talking about? You are combining his shitty starts with last night and comparing it to last year??
Matt Harvey April 2015
26.2 innings 22 hits 3 walks 31 k's 0.94 whip 10.5 K/9
Matt Harvey April 2016
28.1 innings 34 hits 9 walks 21 k's 1.52 whip 6.67 k/9
Sometimes I really think you make up arguments because this makes absolutely no sense.
Wow. Its amazing how lost you get sometimes. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST NIGHTS GAME. People saying LAST NIGHTS GAME isn't good enough or not really vintage Harvey likely have unrealistic expectations of what he needs to look like is what Im saying. I said his start last night looked a lot like 2015 Harvey. If you extrapolate what he did last night over 5 more starts his numbers would look very similar to his April 15 so thanks for the layup.
Matt Harvey April 2015
26.2 innings 22 hits 3 walks 31 k's 0.94 whip 10.5 K/9
Matt Harvey April 2016
28.1 innings 34 hits 9 walks 21 k's 1.52 whip 6.67 k/9
Sometimes I really think you make up arguments because this makes absolutely no sense.
Where are your getting your numbers from? lol. He had 7 Ks last night. You multiply that times 5 and get 21??
Keep the mets posts coming IMO
That wasn't the argument jackass.
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it wouldn't.
Matt Harvey April 2015
26.2 innings 22 hits 3 walks 31 k's 0.94 whip 10.5 K/9
Matt Harvey April 2016
28.1 innings 34 hits 9 walks 21 k's 1.52 whip 6.67 k/9
Sometimes I really think you make up arguments because this makes absolutely no sense.
Where are your getting your numbers from? lol. He had 7 Ks last night. You multiply that times 5 and get 21??
Multiplying 5 starts? lol. So Harvey will only pitch against one of the worst teams in baseball every start? What kind of argument is that? Lets play in Coors field and start multiplying numbers. Nobody is even talking about his final line anyway, how he looked which was good, better, not vintage Harvey. You for some reason disagree. I've yet to read a single article or comment from anyone else on any site agreeing "woah he looked every bit as good as he did last year".
Keep the mets posts coming IMO
Considering there is only "limited" discussion of college football on here throughout the season, and the amount of games, teams etc that even if ALL of these "experts" were avid fans, how could they possibly lock into all of these players with such rabid opinions? lol I checked out a few youtube videos of guys we are in the mix for, and I'm admittedly far from a scout but the Floyd stuff is over the top on here
Harvey's velocity was back. His control was back. His results were back. I never said he had an elite start or anything like that.
Ugh. Lets please move on.
If Wright truly retires, I think he could be considered for third and brought back. Lots of moving parts there though.
Harvey's velocity was back. His control was back. His results were back. I never said he had an elite start or anything like that.
Ugh. Lets please move on.
I think what the masses are saying is that it was nice to see Harvey pitch better, but they like to see a little more and against a little bit better competition. Outside KC, he really hasnt faced a playoff contending team.
First rounders are great and all but our window is now. Walker may fall off a cliff (he's not THIS) good but if you told me Walker 2017-2018 seasons or Herrera I'm betting on Walker. Odds are a first we get for Walker never plays a single season with deGrom or Harvey if they make it at all. Obviously I'll take the pick over not taking the pick.
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and argument in the first place.
Harvey's velocity was back. His control was back. His results were back. I never said he had an elite start or anything like that.
Ugh. Lets please move on.
I think what the masses are saying is that it was nice to see Harvey pitch better, but they like to see a little more and against a little bit better competition. Outside KC, he really hasnt faced a playoff contending team.
So would I. Who said I wasn't saying that?