I really wish we had Walker for 3 years instead of one. I know they can just get another 1st rder out of this but I'd honestly rather keep the player an additional year or two if possible.
First rounders are great and all but our window is now. Walker may fall off a cliff (he's not THIS) good but if you told me Walker 2017-2018 seasons or Herrera I'm betting on Walker. Odds are a first we get for Walker never plays a single season with deGrom or Harvey if they make it at all. Obviously I'll take the pick over not taking the pick.
Agree. The power will dip quite a bit as the year goes on.. he's obviously not hitting 70+ HR's but I just like the player a lot and think he's a perfect fit for this team right now and the near future. I'd hate to see him be elsewhere next season.
Walker is probably a slightly better player than Daniel Murphy which means he's an above average regular top 8ish in baseball. Picks are great but give me "that" at 2b for the next 3-4 seasons (including this one) over a potential pick.
have to believe Mazzoni has something physical going on but if not, why not? Keep in mind they have Below and Pimentel in the AAA rotation. That said, Mazzoni's numbers with the Padres last season (SSS and all) were horrendous!
If you could get even a slightly better player that makes the routine defensive plays at 2b, that's pretty good. Murphy was certainly a solid starter at this level. It's not like he was some hack that didn't belong like Omar Quintanilla.
We have a very good 2B prospect ready to go who in all likelihood gives you league average production day one with upside for much, much more. Cespedes is opting out. Which OF do we have close ready to replace him? Nimmo? The prudent move would be to take the pick from Walker and offer Cespedes a 4-5 year deal. Assuming he has a huge year, and loves NY, and carries us to the playoffs again, something can probably be worked out between both sides.
A year down the line we need to make a decision about Duda as well. Is Smith ever going to produce like Duda? I doubt it.
Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
I like the idea of locking up Walker to a deal similar to what Murph's
I don't want to hear about "limited resources" anymore with this team. They wanted the fans in the seats and they have it. Do what is necessary to sustain a contender without cutting corners. Hanging onto Walker doesn't mean the payroll has to be 200M
RE: I like the idea of locking up Walker to a deal similar to what Murph's
Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
Chances are 1 of the 2 won't pan out over the next few seasons
I don't want to hear about "limited resources" anymore with this team. They wanted the fans in the seats and they have it. Do what is necessary to sustain a contender without cutting corners. Hanging onto Walker doesn't mean the payroll has to be 200M
Agreed. Unless he really is about to hit 50-60 homers (at which point not keeping him would be truly embarrassing) his price will never be so high that the New York Mets can't afford him. Treat 2016-2019 as our "window".
I don't want to hear about "limited resources" anymore with this team. They wanted the fans in the seats and they have it. Do what is necessary to sustain a contender without cutting corners. Hanging onto Walker doesn't mean the payroll has to be 200M
It actually might though. We are at what 140 million right now? We want to give Cespedes 150 million, Duda an extension, and raises to all of our pitchers through arbitration. There's signing players and then there's being sensible. Breaking Rosario and Herrera into the middle infield considering everything else we got going would benefit the team as a whole much more in the long term anyway IMO.
RE: I like the idea of locking up Walker to a deal similar to what Murph's
Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
As a rookie he's a 2-3 fWAR player? How many rookies do that? And if he's not. He's a downgrade. And why should we care about "cost" when it's for a good player? We aren't talking about a 10 year deal or 20 million per season. Why should fans be okay with Walker being allowed to walk for say 15 per because Herrera "might" be able to give you something similar as a rookie if you are lucky.
again we are totally ignoring the fact that Dilson Herrera is currently sporting a 73 wRC+ over his first 17 games of the season and has a sore shoulder dating back to last season. Neil Walker 2012-2015 was the 8th best 2b in all of baseball (fWAR), 3rd in wRC+, 5th in wOBA... I'm not willing to gamble Dilson Herrera comes in and gives you that right away.
Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
As a rookie he's a 2-3 fWAR player? How many rookies do that? And if he's not. He's a downgrade. And why should we care about "cost" when it's for a good player? We aren't talking about a 10 year deal or 20 million per season. Why should fans be okay with Walker being allowed to walk for say 15 per because Herrera "might" be able to give you something similar as a rookie if you are lucky.
Yup. IMO he is. Easily. He proved last year he has range and is an above average 2B. His bat so far has proven to be league average-ish. Add it up and you have a 3 WAR player. I knew this would happen too. Walker is a wRC+ 115 hitter. Quick start and everyone falls in love and now that's irreplaceable? Please...
again we are totally ignoring the fact that Dilson Herrera is currently sporting a 73 wRC+ over his first 17 games of the season and has a sore shoulder dating back to last season. Neil Walker 2012-2015 was the 8th best 2b in all of baseball (fWAR), 3rd in wRC+, 5th in wOBA... I'm not willing to gamble Dilson Herrera comes in and gives you that right away.
Haha. Talk to me in a month if Herrera is still hitting 73 in Vegas. No chance...
in prospects ever? Always use stop gaps? Forget Rosario when he's ready. Leave Herrera in AAA forever. Is this what the Cardinals do? The Giants? Is that what Sandy should have done in regards to Conforto?
is a league average hitter? The kid has a very nice upside but his batting line over his first 169 AB's is .215/.308/.383. Now he has above average HR power for 2B but a team like the Mets would be taking a huge gamble expecting him to replicate Walkers performance at 2B.
when you prorated/projected what Kirk would be? It doesn't work like that. If the Mets felt Herrera were a 3 fWAR player right now he'd be at 2b and Walker wouldn't be.
in prospects ever? Always use stop gaps? Forget Rosario when he's ready. Leave Herrera in AAA forever. Is this what the Cardinals do? The Giants? Is that what Sandy should have done in regards to Conforto?
I think it is obvious he never said anything about not breaking in prospects. Dan was just saying that Walker is an excellent 2B who is proven and a perfect fit for a win now team like the Mets.
is a league average hitter? The kid has a very nice upside but his batting line over his first 169 AB's is .215/.308/.383. Now he has above average HR power for 2B but a team like the Mets would be taking a huge gamble expecting him to replicate Walkers performance at 2B.
In 170 atbats, as the youngest player in baseball mind you, he produced a wRC+ of 97.
in prospects ever? Always use stop gaps? Forget Rosario when he's ready. Leave Herrera in AAA forever. Is this what the Cardinals do? The Giants? Is that what Sandy should have done in regards to Conforto?
What? The Giants routinely keep their veterans they trade for. Awful example. They are well known for keeping the older players they have (sometimes at a fault). Which rookie starters. In fact, the Giants didn't even want to go with Panik when he made his debut in 2014 but Arias and Hicks (both ex-Mets) were so bad they had to find other options. Where are examples of the SF Giants letting good regulars to leave in order to slot in rookies? Bizarre example to choose.
when you prorated/projected what Kirk would be? It doesn't work like that. If the Mets felt Herrera were a 3 fWAR player right now he'd be at 2b and Walker wouldn't be.
Kirk? Haha. You are seriously going to compare Kirk to herrera? WTF. Comical.
I had a lengthy discussion about Kirk performing well in a limited sample one year. People disagreed that he didn't perform well during that same "said sample". I extrapolated out his numbers to show that he was in fact performing during that stretch. That was before most of BBI was caught up on WAR, wRC+, ect.
a matter of fact. 2014 Duffy =, hits .332 in the minors with an .884 OPS, they call him up, he doesn't hit. They go with Casey McGehee at 3b over Duffy to open 2015, McGehee fails and then they go with Duffy as the starter because he hits so well in fill-in time. W
You can have a slight downgrade at 2nd if you get a significant upgrade elsewhere
Exactly. Its not that i dont like Walker, but we have very little in the pipeline at OF and 1B and Cespedes and Duda are about to be free agents and Granderson is likely almost done. 2B is the one place we have an absolutely excellent prospect ready to go.
You can have a slight downgrade at 2nd if you get a significant upgrade elsewhere
Where are the Mets going to get a significant upgrade? Barring a retirement of David Wright what position could they even do that realistically? (even then the top FA 3b figures to be Justin Turner).
Keeping in mind Cabrera, Conforto, Granderson, Duda, Wright, both catchers (and the top FA catcher being Matt Wieters) are under contract. Where is this mystery position that we upgrade?
anywhere they need to maintain what they have. Going from a 115 wRC+ to a 100 isn't drastic. Going from Cespedes to Nimmo would destroy us.
So how does letting Walker leave impact Cespedes vs. Nimmo? I'm very confused. You are suggesting a player replacing Cespedes? A player who most certainly would be yet another DOWNGRADE. Neil Walker has literally 0 impact on Cespedes vs. Nimmo, what am I missing?
anywhere they need to maintain what they have. Going from a 115 wRC+ to a 100 isn't drastic. Going from Cespedes to Nimmo would destroy us.
You're right and free agency is horrific. If they lost Cespedes they would need to trade for a bat which is expensive and their farm system is barren unless they were willing to trade Rosario or a starter like Wheeler which I doubt they would be willing to do.
anywhere they need to maintain what they have. Going from a 115 wRC+ to a 100 isn't drastic. Going from Cespedes to Nimmo would destroy us.
So how does letting Walker leave impact Cespedes vs. Nimmo? I'm very confused. You are suggesting a player replacing Cespedes? A player who most certainly would be yet another DOWNGRADE. Neil Walker has literally 0 impact on Cespedes vs. Nimmo, what am I missing?
Zero impact? I'm saying we have to spend money in multiple places in the coming years. Arbitration raises, our pitchers, Cespedes, Duda, Granderson replacement, ect. You really think Walker should be at the top of that list with herrera ready to go? You dont see the correlation? Really??
in mind Bartolo Colon makes 7.25 million and barring a catastrophe will be replaced by a guy making close the minimum next year (Wheeler). Cespedes is due 23.75 million, so either he will take that #, leave (and odds are will be replaced by a much cheaper player) or hypothetically get a small raise from the Mets. There is no scenario where Neil Walker would impact Cespedes.
I can make an almost identical list as you did in regards to Walker with Asdrubal Cabrera showing how he has been one of the top offensive SS in baseball over the last 5 years. Does that mean we extend him when Rosario is ready?
being argumentative but Harvey was certainly better but I wouldn't call him "back". In the right direction though. Not vintage Harvey yet though.
I agree with this. Happy with the progress, but certainly not the Harvey we've become accustomed to seeing. But definitely a step in the right direction, more consistency with his slider, and I think he'll be back. His change looked good last night.
Curtis Granderson is a FA after 2017 season. What kind of team is worried about his replacement... 2 seasons from now? The window is NOW. "Let's let Walker leave vs. paying him 15 million per because in 2018 we need to replace Granderson". That seems like a valid argument? Props to the Wilpons for spending more but lets not act like the Mets are blowing the doors off as it is. Added revenue and they can't both keep Walker and replace Granderson in 2 years? lol
in mind Bartolo Colon makes 7.25 million and barring a catastrophe will be replaced by a guy making close the minimum next year (Wheeler). Cespedes is due 23.75 million, so either he will take that #, leave (and odds are will be replaced by a much cheaper player) or hypothetically get a small raise from the Mets. There is no scenario where Neil Walker would impact Cespedes.
The hikes alone in pitching will make up for Colon. Wheeler also wont be making the minimum in 2016. He's up for arbitration.
Curtis Granderson is a FA after 2017 season. What kind of team is worried about his replacement... 2 seasons from now? The window is NOW. "Let's let Walker leave vs. paying him 15 million per because in 2018 we need to replace Granderson". That seems like a valid argument? Props to the Wilpons for spending more but lets not act like the Mets are blowing the doors off as it is. Added revenue and they can't both keep Walker and replace Granderson in 2 years? lol
I am showing that in a 2 year window alone we have many of our top players potentially leaving. With OF and 1B specifically there isn't much in the pipeline.
I can make an almost identical list as you did in regards to Walker with Asdrubal Cabrera showing how he has been one of the top offensive SS in baseball over the last 5 years. Does that mean we extend him when Rosario is ready?
"top offensive"? Why would we not use total value of a player?
2012-2015 Cabrera 6.9 fWAR good for the #15 best SS in baseball
2012-2015 Walker 11.3 fWAR (so almost TWICE as valuable) 8th best 2b in baseball. Seriously, you make some really odd arguments sometimes.
in mind Bartolo Colon makes 7.25 million and barring a catastrophe will be replaced by a guy making close the minimum next year (Wheeler). Cespedes is due 23.75 million, so either he will take that #, leave (and odds are will be replaced by a much cheaper player) or hypothetically get a small raise from the Mets. There is no scenario where Neil Walker would impact Cespedes.
The hikes alone in pitching will make up for Colon. Wheeler also wont be making the minimum in 2016. He's up for arbitration.
Up for arbitration when he's going to throw max 100 innings. He's going to make proverbial pennies c'mon don't purposely be obtuse.
from league minimum, and many of our other pitchers like Harvey and Familia will be getting steep raises as well. Again, you also dont just budget for one year. If Walker is signed to a 4 year deal that impacts all the raises from Syndergaard, Matz, ect in the following years.
the Mets can't keep their players, they are an embarrassment and your claims about their finances/willingness to spend will prove to be ludicrous. Opening day payrolls
2016 MLB Payrolls [Spotrac]
1) Los Angeles Dodgers $253,639,162
2) New York Yankees $227,854,349
3) Boston Red Sox $199,864,178
4) Detroit Tigers $199,525,500
5) San Francisco Giants $171,464,943
6) Chicago Cubs $167,444,167
7) Los Angeles Angels $166,831,190
8) Texas Rangers $161,246,720
9) St. Louis Cardinals $149,186,000
10) Baltimore Orioles $147,943,713
11) Washington Nationals $146,686,385
12) Seattle Mariners $144,996,858
13) Toronto Blue Jays $140,582,027
14) Kansas City Royals $137,606,125
15) New York Mets $130,612,115
A normal team is able to keep Neil Walker and replace a guy like Granderson... in 2 years. We all know they almost certainly won't be able to keep all of the SP but Neil Walker and his 15 million won't be the reason why. Matt Harvey and his 200+ million deal will be why.
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I really wish we had Walker for 3 years instead of one. I know they can just get another 1st rder out of this but I'd honestly rather keep the player an additional year or two if possible.
First rounders are great and all but our window is now. Walker may fall off a cliff (he's not THIS) good but if you told me Walker 2017-2018 seasons or Herrera I'm betting on Walker. Odds are a first we get for Walker never plays a single season with deGrom or Harvey if they make it at all. Obviously I'll take the pick over not taking the pick.
Agree. The power will dip quite a bit as the year goes on.. he's obviously not hitting 70+ HR's but I just like the player a lot and think he's a perfect fit for this team right now and the near future. I'd hate to see him be elsewhere next season.
Michael Fulmer MLB debut for Detroit tomorrow night
kick the tires?
Is he still the heir apparent?
A year down the line we need to make a decision about Duda as well. Is Smith ever going to produce like Duda? I doubt it.
Id rather use my resources elsewhere personally.
Is he still the heir apparent?
The Mets are still very high on Herrera. Murphy mentioned it himself as he was shown the door.
I bet Walker could play a solid 3B and if Herrera is ready next year he can slide in into 2B.
I bet Walker could play a solid 3B and if Herrera is ready next year he can slide in into 2B.
Excellent point.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
Agreed. Unless he really is about to hit 50-60 homers (at which point not keeping him would be truly embarrassing) his price will never be so high that the New York Mets can't afford him. Treat 2016-2019 as our "window".
It actually might though. We are at what 140 million right now? We want to give Cespedes 150 million, Duda an extension, and raises to all of our pitchers through arbitration. There's signing players and then there's being sensible. Breaking Rosario and Herrera into the middle infield considering everything else we got going would benefit the team as a whole much more in the long term anyway IMO.
I bet Walker could play a solid 3B and if Herrera is ready next year he can slide in into 2B.
If Wright retires Im all for it. Walker can play 3B. If Wright's money is off the books, Im fine with that.
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Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
As a rookie he's a 2-3 fWAR player? How many rookies do that? And if he's not. He's a downgrade. And why should we care about "cost" when it's for a good player? We aren't talking about a 10 year deal or 20 million per season. Why should fans be okay with Walker being allowed to walk for say 15 per because Herrera "might" be able to give you something similar as a rookie if you are lucky.
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Mets can still like Herrera and yet have him represent a clear downgrade from what we have. The two things don't have to be dependent on each other. Neil Walker is an above average regular by almost any stat/metric you want to use. Is Herrera going to be that? Is he going to be that right away? Because if he's not, that's a downgrade for this current team/window. Herrera's horrendous start to 2016 aside, if I told you Herrera will be better than Neil Walker in his second season (so 2018) would you really sign for that at the expense of 2017? I wouldn't. We will see how this plays out, namely Herrera actually hitting. He, Nimmo and Cecchini haven't been bad, they have been pathetically bad. Herrera we now know has had a shoulder issue since last season.
We've done this before and it comes down to dissecting very small samples which I hate but its very likely Herrera gives you close to Walker production immediately for a fraction of the cost. What Herrera has already shown in the majors adds up to a 2-3 fWAR player as the youngest player in the majors.
As a rookie he's a 2-3 fWAR player? How many rookies do that? And if he's not. He's a downgrade. And why should we care about "cost" when it's for a good player? We aren't talking about a 10 year deal or 20 million per season. Why should fans be okay with Walker being allowed to walk for say 15 per because Herrera "might" be able to give you something similar as a rookie if you are lucky.
Yup. IMO he is. Easily. He proved last year he has range and is an above average 2B. His bat so far has proven to be league average-ish. Add it up and you have a 3 WAR player. I knew this would happen too. Walker is a wRC+ 115 hitter. Quick start and everyone falls in love and now that's irreplaceable? Please...
Haha. Talk to me in a month if Herrera is still hitting 73 in Vegas. No chance...
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Neil Walker is a very, very solid player. He's not where you cut corners and "save" money.
I think it is obvious he never said anything about not breaking in prospects. Dan was just saying that Walker is an excellent 2B who is proven and a perfect fit for a win now team like the Mets.
In 170 atbats, as the youngest player in baseball mind you, he produced a wRC+ of 97.
What? The Giants routinely keep their veterans they trade for. Awful example. They are well known for keeping the older players they have (sometimes at a fault). Which rookie starters. In fact, the Giants didn't even want to go with Panik when he made his debut in 2014 but Arias and Hicks (both ex-Mets) were so bad they had to find other options. Where are examples of the SF Giants letting good regulars to leave in order to slot in rookies? Bizarre example to choose.
Kirk? Haha. You are seriously going to compare Kirk to herrera? WTF. Comical.
You can have a slight downgrade at 2nd if you get a significant upgrade elsewhere
You can have a slight downgrade at 2nd if you get a significant upgrade elsewhere
Exactly. Its not that i dont like Walker, but we have very little in the pipeline at OF and 1B and Cespedes and Duda are about to be free agents and Granderson is likely almost done. 2B is the one place we have an absolutely excellent prospect ready to go.
You can have a slight downgrade at 2nd if you get a significant upgrade elsewhere
Where are the Mets going to get a significant upgrade? Barring a retirement of David Wright what position could they even do that realistically? (even then the top FA 3b figures to be Justin Turner).
Keeping in mind Cabrera, Conforto, Granderson, Duda, Wright, both catchers (and the top FA catcher being Matt Wieters) are under contract. Where is this mystery position that we upgrade?
So how does letting Walker leave impact Cespedes vs. Nimmo? I'm very confused. You are suggesting a player replacing Cespedes? A player who most certainly would be yet another DOWNGRADE. Neil Walker has literally 0 impact on Cespedes vs. Nimmo, what am I missing?
You're right and free agency is horrific. If they lost Cespedes they would need to trade for a bat which is expensive and their farm system is barren unless they were willing to trade Rosario or a starter like Wheeler which I doubt they would be willing to do.
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anywhere they need to maintain what they have. Going from a 115 wRC+ to a 100 isn't drastic. Going from Cespedes to Nimmo would destroy us.
So how does letting Walker leave impact Cespedes vs. Nimmo? I'm very confused. You are suggesting a player replacing Cespedes? A player who most certainly would be yet another DOWNGRADE. Neil Walker has literally 0 impact on Cespedes vs. Nimmo, what am I missing?
Zero impact? I'm saying we have to spend money in multiple places in the coming years. Arbitration raises, our pitchers, Cespedes, Duda, Granderson replacement, ect. You really think Walker should be at the top of that list with herrera ready to go? You dont see the correlation? Really??
I agree with this. Happy with the progress, but certainly not the Harvey we've become accustomed to seeing. But definitely a step in the right direction, more consistency with his slider, and I think he'll be back. His change looked good last night.
The hikes alone in pitching will make up for Colon. Wheeler also wont be making the minimum in 2016. He's up for arbitration.
I am showing that in a 2 year window alone we have many of our top players potentially leaving. With OF and 1B specifically there isn't much in the pipeline.
"top offensive"? Why would we not use total value of a player?
2012-2015 Cabrera 6.9 fWAR good for the #15 best SS in baseball
2012-2015 Walker 11.3 fWAR (so almost TWICE as valuable) 8th best 2b in baseball. Seriously, you make some really odd arguments sometimes.
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in mind Bartolo Colon makes 7.25 million and barring a catastrophe will be replaced by a guy making close the minimum next year (Wheeler). Cespedes is due 23.75 million, so either he will take that #, leave (and odds are will be replaced by a much cheaper player) or hypothetically get a small raise from the Mets. There is no scenario where Neil Walker would impact Cespedes.
The hikes alone in pitching will make up for Colon. Wheeler also wont be making the minimum in 2016. He's up for arbitration.
Up for arbitration when he's going to throw max 100 innings. He's going to make proverbial pennies c'mon don't purposely be obtuse.
2016 MLB Payrolls [Spotrac]
1) Los Angeles Dodgers $253,639,162
2) New York Yankees $227,854,349
3) Boston Red Sox $199,864,178
4) Detroit Tigers $199,525,500
5) San Francisco Giants $171,464,943
6) Chicago Cubs $167,444,167
7) Los Angeles Angels $166,831,190
8) Texas Rangers $161,246,720
9) St. Louis Cardinals $149,186,000
10) Baltimore Orioles $147,943,713
11) Washington Nationals $146,686,385
12) Seattle Mariners $144,996,858
13) Toronto Blue Jays $140,582,027
14) Kansas City Royals $137,606,125
15) New York Mets $130,612,115
A normal team is able to keep Neil Walker and replace a guy like Granderson... in 2 years. We all know they almost certainly won't be able to keep all of the SP but Neil Walker and his 15 million won't be the reason why. Matt Harvey and his 200+ million deal will be why.