how much he lined up at end. I don't think we will use him like that, or atleast not as much so its really hard to say if the tape is meaningful or not.
The spin move he shows off is pretty impressive. He sets the edge nicely and gets pressure several times. The Missouri QB makes some great throws under pressure as well.
Had some good pass rush moves as well, but always seemed a step too late in getting home. That may be a function of the QB doing a good job in releasing the ball too. Admittedly, I only watched about half of this.
I'm a total amateur tape watcher, but a few things I noticed.
1) His first step is noticeable. Super long and quick on the edge. Definitely the "quick twitch" I think scouts look for.
2) He didn't get his hands up when close to the QB. On a couple of the longer completed passes, he could have batted the ball down if his hands were up. Obviously this is coachable.
3) Was more physical than I thought he would be given his slight frame...he likes to mix it up.
4) Was easily "flushed out" on running plays, but I would imagine that is to be expected given his size.
5) Didn't take any plays off.
6) Tough to really judge his total arsenal, as Missouri runs a typical spread offense where the ball is out of the QB in 3 seconds, most of the time.
he's not too tough at the point of attack. He uses his reach and arms for leverage but doubt he gets that kind of leverage against a stronger NFL player.
He uses speed and a spin but really doesn't demonstrate power. Appears to be a lanky, finesse athlete.
That spin move made me say "wow", and thats something you like to see when you are picking someone in the Top 10. He has speed, length, and while not a monster against a run, he didnt look totally out of place.
Are their any highlights of him running down an HB from behind? Hurdling an offensive lineman for a sack? Out jumping a WR? Anything?
All I see is a player with an assignment and performing well yet nothing "wow" I hope he drops. I can't see how he can't drop based on these highlights.
Does he have some "WOW" highlights of demonstrating that spin move and making a play he wouldn't have made without it? I see spin moves to stay alive in a play yet not actually making the play.
I see nothing on that tape that tells me first round
Brings nothing at the point of attack
Great Speed first step . NFL QB's Will Not Crumble
with his throw down tackles .
He does Hustle Zero Power ...
I don't see him as a can't miss player though
hope I'm dead wrong .
lol, the first three plays might as well not even be on there
He basically played rush end the entire game and Missouri seemed content to let tight ends, tackles, and backs block him one on one for the most part. He had a handful of moments where his first step, spin move, our outside speed completely negated the other player which was awesome to see.
He seems to like to jump around the scrum and he definitely let up on a handful of plays where he was 10 yards back from the ball. Lost contain on a handful of plays. But he also set the edge on a larger number as well. Was good in coverage. When blitzing inside or stunting inside unless there was a huge opening he was a complete non factor. He spins constantly even when a bull rush or arm rip would be way more effective. He never really seemed to get completely blocked or washed out on a play.
His first step, speed, coverage, and diagnosing plays looked good to me. He didn't look weak or strong. His tackling was mostly joining up with his teammates.
Me too I get a feeling we are drafting Mingo 2.0. I know Mingo is shorter I am just concerned about Floyd's lack of strength and the fact that he often played against kids 2-3 years younger than him.
at the thought of a QB or RB trying to run away from both JPP and Floyd. Vernon too.
I think they could find a way to put Odi on the field and have a 3-headed pass rush without spending a 10 overall on a guy that looks too much like Mathias Kiwanuka at LB for my taste.
Look my preference is that they trade down and take Treadwell and get an extra 2nd or third rounder. But I've watched 3 complete game tapes of Floyd and he definitely has an impact on the games. As I said on a previous thread, I'm impressed with his quickness and his ability to change direction on a dime.He is fast around the edge and he can take an inside charge and get there. I see Osi. He's not a forceful tackler but he tackles in space and the play he made on the running back pitch in space was impressive. I keep hearing you need a sure thing at 10 but given Jack's health issues and the likelihood of the other stud position players being gone there I dont see how you get that.
Since MO got the ball out quickly you don't see many
Based on that tape, I'm not even sure he is the best player on the
PatersonPlank : 11:20 am : link : reply
Georgia D. If someone wants to push him they should have selected a better game.
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong because I really don't follow draft hype, but aren't most highlight tapes filled with plays where the person in question is excelling?
I'm not lying when I say I haven't yet seen a clip of Floyd driving a RB to the ground or making a game-changing play. I haven't seen any INT's or even caused fumbles. Put it this way, for a guy supposedly strong in coverage, I've seen more completions against him that INT's.
Doesn't almost every top prospect have a highlight reel where people gasp a few times? That's when I started being Anti-Floyd - when I'd watch clips and wonder when the guy was going to do something other than being pedestrian. I see the quickness. I see the wingspan. I see the fluidity. Why am I not seeing any of that translate into the type of impact one will expect from #10?
Originally a skeptic due mostly to my own preconceived notions of what a LBer is supposed to look like and weigh.
In that game, he continually brought it from snap one to last snap despite the uptempo and quick releases.
He owned his edge the entire game. They attempted to pull and swing the tackle and test him only a few times, but he used his length to win the edge every single time. Even on the play they slid a TE under him into the flat, he recognized it and took it away.
Only one time did I see a blocker latch on and it was called for holding. He shed his man quickly and was around the ball a lot.
This player absolutely has elite AA, uses his hands and long arms well, has a good motor, and most importantly appeared to recognize plays and maintain an awareness for the ball.
In 4 years, he had 0 INT's and only 4 - FOUR passes defensed. This indicates that he might be able to stay with somebody in coverage but isn't doing a damn thing to stop it.
Jesus, every time I look deeper I see something new to hate.
can put pressure on a Qb AND cover Witten, et al..Maybe we can get off the fieldon 3rd and 7 or 8...
If we don't draft someone who can stick with TEs, it won't matter WHO we draft. I'm stick of long drives wearing down our D late in the game..
Think people..WHEN have we had that?
Fiddy Six... there is very little evidence that Floyd will be able to come in and cover Witten. His coverage skills have been vastly overblown. It's one thing to have the speed to keep up... it's another to have ball skills and good technique. The potential is there, but that's it at this point.
by a team like the Cowboys. With their offensive line, and with how Romo handles the pass rush with pump fakes, screens and draws, I can see it getting ugly.
Based on that tape, I'm not even sure he is the best player on the
PatersonPlank : 11:20 am : link : reply
Georgia D. If someone wants to push him they should have selected a better game.
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong because I really don't follow draft hype, but aren't most highlight tapes filled with plays where the person in question is excelling?
I'm not lying when I say I haven't yet seen a clip of Floyd driving a RB to the ground or making a game-changing play. I haven't seen any INT's or even caused fumbles. Put it this way, for a guy supposedly strong in coverage, I've seen more completions against him that INT's.
Doesn't almost every top prospect have a highlight reel where people gasp a few times? That's when I started being Anti-Floyd - when I'd watch clips and wonder when the guy was going to do something other than being pedestrian. I see the quickness. I see the wingspan. I see the fluidity. Why am I not seeing any of that translate into the type of impact one will expect from #10?
I could be wrong, but I think the site where the clip in the OP is more about scouting clips, not necessarily highlight reels. I did find the highlight reel on Floyd that is linked here on youtube, and this shows more of his "highlight-reel" plays, especially in throwing the RB to the ground just after the 1:00 mark.
For the record, I'm not a Floyd supporter or detractor, but I do think he would add an element that is lacking in the middle level of the Giants defense. I won't root for him to fail if they do draft him, but depending on how the draft plays out tonight and who is available when they pick, if Floyd goes over some guys I think would be a better fit there would be some mild disappointment. We'll see what happens. Link - ( New Window )
can put pressure on a Qb AND cover Witten, et al..Maybe we can get off the fieldon 3rd and 7 or 8...
If we don't draft someone who can stick with TEs, it won't matter WHO we draft. I'm stick of long drives wearing down our D late in the game..
Think people..WHEN have we had that?
Fiddy Six... there is very little evidence that Floyd will be able to come in and cover Witten. His coverage skills have been vastly overblown. It's one thing to have the speed to keep up... it's another to have ball skills and good technique. The potential is there, but that's it at this point.
Problem is, there are those respected people who think he does..Personally, I have no idea..Very few are going to change their minds. But, if the Giants firmly believe (with Spags at the helm) we'll stand a better (much?) chance with TEs, then, as KWALL et al have pointed out, JPP, Vernon, Floyd, Snack and Hankins are a pretty decent lot to trot out there..
I keep seeing posts about his coverage abilities...
what is undisputed is that he can run with most players on the field. I'm not so sure I agree that he can COVER anyone one the field. As Fatman is alluding to, you see very few plays on his tape where he makes a play on the ball in air.
his tackling issues are overblown and then go on to talk about his excellent coverage skills.
In 3 years, to total just 4 pass defenses and 0 INT's isn't really supporting the view he's "excellent". I know INT's for LB's aren't the best indicator, but you'd think there'd at least be some passes broken up or defended in there.
his tackling issues are overblown and then go on to talk about his excellent coverage skills.
In 3 years, to total just 4 pass defenses and 0 INT's isn't really supporting the view he's "excellent". I know INT's for LB's aren't the best indicator, but you'd think there'd at least be some passes broken up or defended in there.
You missed what he did in the last few deciding minutes of the game.
1. He forced a holding penalty.
2. He tackled a RB for a loss.
3. He forced an intentional grounding penalty on the QB who barely got rid of the ball as Floyd was sacking him.
I'm no expert talent elevator, but I could see those 3 things were key to helping GA win the fricking game.
You missed what he did in the last few deciding minutes of the game.
1. He forced a holding penalty.
2. He tackled a RB for a loss.
3. He forced an intentional grounding penalty on the QB who barely got rid of the ball as Floyd was sacking him.
I'm no expert talent elevator, but I could see those 3 things were key to helping GA win the fricking game.
You're right. I didn't watch the last 40 seconds. Not sure where 40 seconds becomes half the video.
After QB and WR, pass rusher is the most valuable commodity in the game today.
So, guys like Elliot and Conklin might be rated higher at their positions than Floyd is at his, but his position is worth more. That's what it makes it hard to compare. Also, what makes the draft such a multi-dimensional process.
1) His first step is noticeable. Super long and quick on the edge. Definitely the "quick twitch" I think scouts look for.
2) He didn't get his hands up when close to the QB. On a couple of the longer completed passes, he could have batted the ball down if his hands were up. Obviously this is coachable.
3) Was more physical than I thought he would be given his slight frame...he likes to mix it up.
4) Was easily "flushed out" on running plays, but I would imagine that is to be expected given his size.
5) Didn't take any plays off.
6) Tough to really judge his total arsenal, as Missouri runs a typical spread offense where the ball is out of the QB in 3 seconds, most of the time.
He uses speed and a spin but really doesn't demonstrate power. Appears to be a lanky, finesse athlete.
Is he worth #10?
Fuck me. I don't see it. Please let another team take this hoser.
Fuck me. I don't see it. Please let another team take this hoser.
The Mizzou offense is built around the QB getting rid of the football like it's a hot potato.
I wouldn't read too much into this particular game. L.T. in his prime isn't getting much in the way of sacks against that offense.
I feel like I'm being trolled by the entire football world.
It is pretty sad that the people who most agree with me about Floyd are a couple of Georgia fans at work.
All I see is a player with an assignment and performing well yet nothing "wow" I hope he drops. I can't see how he can't drop based on these highlights.
Does he have some "WOW" highlights of demonstrating that spin move and making a play he wouldn't have made without it? I see spin moves to stay alive in a play yet not actually making the play.
Great Speed first step . NFL QB's Will Not Crumble
with his throw down tackles .
He does Hustle Zero Power ...
I don't see him as a can't miss player though
hope I'm dead wrong .
Fuck me. I don't see it. Please let another team take this hoser.
Well,my reaction: eh!
I wasn't at all impressed - enough for a first round pick.
He seems to like to jump around the scrum and he definitely let up on a handful of plays where he was 10 yards back from the ball. Lost contain on a handful of plays. But he also set the edge on a larger number as well. Was good in coverage. When blitzing inside or stunting inside unless there was a huge opening he was a complete non factor. He spins constantly even when a bull rush or arm rip would be way more effective. He never really seemed to get completely blocked or washed out on a play.
His first step, speed, coverage, and diagnosing plays looked good to me. He didn't look weak or strong. His tackling was mostly joining up with his teammates.
If we don't draft someone who can stick with TEs, it won't matter WHO we draft. I'm stick of long drives wearing down our D late in the game..
Think people..WHEN have we had that?
Me too I get a feeling we are drafting Mingo 2.0. I know Mingo is shorter I am just concerned about Floyd's lack of strength and the fact that he often played against kids 2-3 years younger than him.
I think they could find a way to put Odi on the field and have a 3-headed pass rush without spending a 10 overall on a guy that looks too much like Mathias Kiwanuka at LB for my taste.
Floyd is fast and shows good motor to want to be in on plays. Sets edge decently as well.
But....a #10 pick???
PatersonPlank : 11:20 am : link : reply
Georgia D. If someone wants to push him they should have selected a better game.
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong because I really don't follow draft hype, but aren't most highlight tapes filled with plays where the person in question is excelling?
I'm not lying when I say I haven't yet seen a clip of Floyd driving a RB to the ground or making a game-changing play. I haven't seen any INT's or even caused fumbles. Put it this way, for a guy supposedly strong in coverage, I've seen more completions against him that INT's.
Doesn't almost every top prospect have a highlight reel where people gasp a few times? That's when I started being Anti-Floyd - when I'd watch clips and wonder when the guy was going to do something other than being pedestrian. I see the quickness. I see the wingspan. I see the fluidity. Why am I not seeing any of that translate into the type of impact one will expect from #10?
In that game, he continually brought it from snap one to last snap despite the uptempo and quick releases.
He owned his edge the entire game. They attempted to pull and swing the tackle and test him only a few times, but he used his length to win the edge every single time. Even on the play they slid a TE under him into the flat, he recognized it and took it away.
Only one time did I see a blocker latch on and it was called for holding. He shed his man quickly and was around the ball a lot.
This player absolutely has elite AA, uses his hands and long arms well, has a good motor, and most importantly appeared to recognize plays and maintain an awareness for the ball.
In 4 years, he had 0 INT's and only 4 - FOUR passes defensed. This indicates that he might be able to stay with somebody in coverage but isn't doing a damn thing to stop it.
Jesus, every time I look deeper I see something new to hate.
He seems to have good football instincts. He seems to know his assignments.
Great first step and speed. Moves well in space, really well.
No, he's not the most physical player, but he brings a lot that the Giants don't have now and haven't had for some time.
In that game, he continually brought it from snap one to last snap despite the uptempo and quick releases.
The play at 5:16 stands out. He jogged that one pretty badly.
If we don't draft someone who can stick with TEs, it won't matter WHO we draft. I'm stick of long drives wearing down our D late in the game..
Think people..WHEN have we had that?
Fiddy Six... there is very little evidence that Floyd will be able to come in and cover Witten. His coverage skills have been vastly overblown. It's one thing to have the speed to keep up... it's another to have ball skills and good technique. The potential is there, but that's it at this point.
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Based on that tape, I'm not even sure he is the best player on the
PatersonPlank : 11:20 am : link : reply
Georgia D. If someone wants to push him they should have selected a better game.
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong because I really don't follow draft hype, but aren't most highlight tapes filled with plays where the person in question is excelling?
I'm not lying when I say I haven't yet seen a clip of Floyd driving a RB to the ground or making a game-changing play. I haven't seen any INT's or even caused fumbles. Put it this way, for a guy supposedly strong in coverage, I've seen more completions against him that INT's.
Doesn't almost every top prospect have a highlight reel where people gasp a few times? That's when I started being Anti-Floyd - when I'd watch clips and wonder when the guy was going to do something other than being pedestrian. I see the quickness. I see the wingspan. I see the fluidity. Why am I not seeing any of that translate into the type of impact one will expect from #10?
I could be wrong, but I think the site where the clip in the OP is more about scouting clips, not necessarily highlight reels. I did find the highlight reel on Floyd that is linked here on youtube, and this shows more of his "highlight-reel" plays, especially in throwing the RB to the ground just after the 1:00 mark.
For the record, I'm not a Floyd supporter or detractor, but I do think he would add an element that is lacking in the middle level of the Giants defense. I won't root for him to fail if they do draft him, but depending on how the draft plays out tonight and who is available when they pick, if Floyd goes over some guys I think would be a better fit there would be some mild disappointment. We'll see what happens.
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can put pressure on a Qb AND cover Witten, et al..Maybe we can get off the fieldon 3rd and 7 or 8...
If we don't draft someone who can stick with TEs, it won't matter WHO we draft. I'm stick of long drives wearing down our D late in the game..
Think people..WHEN have we had that?
Fiddy Six... there is very little evidence that Floyd will be able to come in and cover Witten. His coverage skills have been vastly overblown. It's one thing to have the speed to keep up... it's another to have ball skills and good technique. The potential is there, but that's it at this point.
Problem is, there are those respected people who think he does..Personally, I have no idea..Very few are going to change their minds. But, if the Giants firmly believe (with Spags at the helm) we'll stand a better (much?) chance with TEs, then, as KWALL et al have pointed out, JPP, Vernon, Floyd, Snack and Hankins are a pretty decent lot to trot out there..
In 3 years, to total just 4 pass defenses and 0 INT's isn't really supporting the view he's "excellent". I know INT's for LB's aren't the best indicator, but you'd think there'd at least be some passes broken up or defended in there.
In 3 years, to total just 4 pass defenses and 0 INT's isn't really supporting the view he's "excellent". I know INT's for LB's aren't the best indicator, but you'd think there'd at least be some passes broken up or defended in there.
Ty for sharing that pass defense stats.
Sounds like the hype is blown up on this guy
1. He forced a holding penalty.
2. He tackled a RB for a loss.
3. He forced an intentional grounding penalty on the QB who barely got rid of the ball as Floyd was sacking him.
I'm no expert talent elevator, but I could see those 3 things were key to helping GA win the fricking game.
1. He forced a holding penalty.
2. He tackled a RB for a loss.
3. He forced an intentional grounding penalty on the QB who barely got rid of the ball as Floyd was sacking him.
I'm no expert talent elevator, but I could see those 3 things were key to helping GA win the fricking game.
You're right. I didn't watch the last 40 seconds. Not sure where 40 seconds becomes half the video.
So, guys like Elliot and Conklin might be rated higher at their positions than Floyd is at his, but his position is worth more. That's what it makes it hard to compare. Also, what makes the draft such a multi-dimensional process.