About three weeks ago you made a statement that NYG might be looking to get rid of DRC (not for play) but for off the field reasons. Anything new? Does VHIII come into play? To me the obvious answer is yes.
Every pick is a great pick and every first round player will have an immediate impact. Except one third of them will be total busts and two thirds will be out of the league in two years.
It's still good theater and gives us something to flap our gums about until the season starts.
But Washington went all in (per Washington Post) sent private jet etc brought him in didn't let him leave and gave $50m guaranteed. I would love a WR, a right tackle, some LB's, but our philosophy has always been pass rushers and of late premium corners. I wanted Jack or a pass rusher, hated Floyd. I new they liked Conklin in January (per a Conklin source). I'm going VH.
About three weeks ago you made a statement that NYG might be looking to get rid of DRC (not for play) but for off the field reasons. Anything new? Does VHIII come into play? To me the obvious answer is yes.
VHIII should never come into play. Never understood why Eddie thought Gary Cherone was a good fit.
a healthy chunk of fans fail to realize how thin we were and are at CB, not just S.
I think it's more that most fans realize that there are many positions on this team that are thin and some rate others as a higher priority in their opinion. I'd have no problem with VH or Apple at 10 myself.
why signing Powers before the draft would have been a really smart idea. It doesn't impact our draft at all, but still gives us a player in case we don't get an NFL ready CB in the draft (unlikely).
We are in a nickle almost 70% of the snaps and we only have two corners. Hargreaves or a trade down for one of the other corners makes a lot of sense. We need a corner much more then a developmental linebacker.
But if I was living in a bunker for 2 months and looked at our roster right now and what we did and didn't do in free agency, I would be sure we would draft a WR in the first round.
But if I was living in a bunker for 2 months and looked at our roster right now and what we did and didn't do in free agency, I would be sure we would draft a WR in the first round.
I would bet we go with one in round 2. IS Treadwell, Coleman, Doctson that much better than Thomas, Shephard, Boyd?
Limerick being completely wrong or Giants purposely leaking info to beat writers to keep other teams off who they really want. I think its pretty much that simple.
be one thing if the Giants were some stealthy org full of smokescreens and misdirections, but people have been correctly nailing their first for three straight years. No reason to think Raanan and Hitdog, who have been spot on so far, are all of sudden way off on Jack.
I think if there was receiver deserving of the number 10 pick,we would pick him. We should be desperate for a wideout. That being said, I wouldn't be very upset if we selected Coleman.
Is that it's not a me v. anyone thing and the end result will probably be what most of us think- Floyd as the pick.
Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, and Buckner will all be gone, leaving us with Floyd who I think myself and any beat reporter thinks is the most likely possibility.
The only real difference between what anyone else is hearing and what I am hearing is that now a lot of people are saying it's Conklin, which I've not heard. On a personal note I don't think the Giants can even invest that much 1st round draft talent into the OL because eventually all need to get paid. So for those saying you might only get 5 years from Jack, be prepared to lose Flowers in 5 years anyway when a team backs up the Brinks truck for him.
The only other thing I am hearing different than anyone else is that the Giants won't pass on Jack at 10.
Where things are going to get really weird is if the following guys are all gone:
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Which is a very very real possibility.
As I said the other day, the best laid plan for the Giants is for 1 of 4 guys (Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, Buckner)
to be sitting there at 10 and they truly do think that is going to happen. It makes sense too, as Elliot isn't getting out of the top 8 and I still hear that a QB is going to go 7, whether to the niners or someone else in a trade. So if Goff, Wentz, Elliot, and Lynch all go before the Giants then if just one more guy outside of their top 4 sneaks into the top 10 they are Golden, whether it be Stanley or Bosa or Rankins or Hargreaves.
To be fair, 100% taking Jack and 100% passing on Jack is a pretty big gap. Especially since he's arguably the best pound for pound player in the draft pre-injury.
Is that it's not a me v. anyone thing and the end result will probably be what most of us think- Floyd as the pick.
Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, and Buckner will all be gone, leaving us with Floyd who I think myself and any beat reporter thinks is the most likely possibility.
The only real difference between what anyone else is hearing and what I am hearing is that now a lot of people are saying it's Conklin, which I've not heard. On a personal note I don't think the Giants can even invest that much 1st round draft talent into the OL because eventually all need to get paid. So for those saying you might only get 5 years from Jack, be prepared to lose Flowers in 5 years anyway when a team backs up the Brinks truck for him.
The only other thing I am hearing different than anyone else is that the Giants won't pass on Jack at 10.
Where things are going to get really weird is if the following guys are all gone:
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Which is a very very real possibility.
As I said the other day, the best laid plan for the Giants is for 1 of 4 guys (Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, Buckner)
to be sitting there at 10 and they truly do think that is going to happen. It makes sense too, as Elliot isn't getting out of the top 8 and I still hear that a QB is going to go 7, whether to the niners or someone else in a trade. So if Goff, Wentz, Elliot, and Lynch all go before the Giants then if just one more guy outside of their top 4 sneaks into the top 10 they are Golden, whether it be Stanley or Bosa or Rankins or Hargreaves.
This sounds very likely. I really like Floyd and I think NYG likes then a lot mainly because they think he has the best chance to be available and can hopefully keep the rest of their picks and not move up.
Not explosive or quick-twitch enough, a bit undersized relative to their premium prototype, body needs a lot of revamping, and his projected upside isn't premium pass rusher in the NFL. Not high enough for #10, imv. Shoulder was also flagged, that's a fact.
Not explosive or quick-twitch enough, a bit undersized relative to their premium prototype, body needs a lot of revamping, and his projected upside isn't premium pass rusher in the NFL. Not high enough for #10, imv. Shoulder was also flagged, that's a fact.
is starting to make more and more sense...wonder which way they'd go if both are there. If it is Conklin, the Giants will have two of the nastiest bookend tackles in the NFL no doubt!
Not explosive or quick-twitch enough, a bit undersized relative to their premium prototype, body needs a lot of revamping, and his projected upside isn't premium pass rusher in the NFL. Not high enough for #10, imv. Shoulder was also flagged, that's a fact.
if the Giants don't draft an OL in round 1 and do what many here feel would be fiscally prudent and wait until day 2-3 to draft that OL, if that OL develops into a stud, something we all want, that stud is still going to get paid 4-5 years from now. The same 4-5 years from now that would see the first rounder get paid.
It won't matter when the guy is drafted. He's gonna get his 5 years from now regardless. And The Giants would still have staggered all of the OL picks. Pugh is due in 2 years. Richburg in 3 years. Flower in 4 years...this year's guy 5 in years. See? All is well.
NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
You sound like a lawyer misrepresenting what I said, which is I want NYG doctors to clear any player they're considering investing in. Passing a re-check is fine and noted, but it's not good enough, it's potentially incomplete groupthink.
NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
You sound like a lawyer misrepresenting what I said, which is I want NYG doctors to clear any player they're considering investing in. Passing a re-check is fine and noted, but it's not good enough, it's potentially incomplete groupthink.
Well Jon you claim you have an inside source, why don't you check with them in regards to Lawson..
Lol however what you said is clear, you want to directly hear it from the Giants doctors instead of assuming they were among the group of NFL team doctors that cleared him.
What I'm saying is you heard his shoulder was flagged from the same source the rest of us did and that was at the combine from NFL team doctors. What I'm failing to understand is why were they good enough the first time, at the combine, but not the second at the rechecks.. All sounds kind of funny doesn't it?
This place is about to explode.
Bastard! ;)
Not funny! We need an "April Fools Day" type of restriction on todays posts.
I'm a fan of DRC. And I don't personally think he is going anywhere this year. Now had they seriously pursued Norman...
It's still good theater and gives us something to flap our gums about until the season starts.
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Joke.
Not funny! We need an "April Fools Day" type of restriction on todays posts.
VHIII should never come into play. Never understood why Eddie thought Gary Cherone was a good fit.
I'm a fan of DRC. And I don't personally think he is going anywhere this year. Now had they seriously pursued Norman...
getting rid of DRC would be idiotic. what are his off the field issues? I haven't heard of anything.
Haha, you had me.
Are you really?
Might be thinner at CB than S in fact.
I think it's more that most fans realize that there are many positions on this team that are thin and some rate others as a higher priority in their opinion. I'd have no problem with VH or Apple at 10 myself.
Does having a number of average players count? Because if so, RB is LOADED.
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
He seems to be taking a weird fall (now mocked in mid teens regularly) even though nothing has really changed about him in months.
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
Stick to your guns man. No one likes a conformist.
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As of this morning the order I'm getting is:
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
Stick to your guns man. No one likes a conformist.
FWIW, I really hope you're right. Because if the Giants take Jack it means he checked out medically for them.
Any buzz regarding a possible minor trade-up?
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
If you are 100% wrong, I could care less. I enjoy your posts and think they do add value to this process. Screw the naysayers.
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
it'll be enticing if somehow tunsil falls to 6 range...do they do it?
Don't assume the norm. This draft is more critical, so we've heard.
But if I was living in a bunker for 2 months and looked at our roster right now and what we did and didn't do in free agency, I would be sure we would draft a WR in the first round.
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
That means Ramsey, Buckner or Tunsil on a trade up, Jack & Floyd at 10, and the others on a trade down. Is that about right?
But if I was living in a bunker for 2 months and looked at our roster right now and what we did and didn't do in free agency, I would be sure we would draft a WR in the first round.
I would bet we go with one in round 2. IS Treadwell, Coleman, Doctson that much better than Thomas, Shephard, Boyd?
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Lawson
Treadwell/Darron Lee
No Stanley, No Conklin, No Elliot and No Bosa- not at 10 at least.
And as we know I'm here like Tom Hanks in castaway on an Island saying Jack will be the pick if he is there at 10.
Stand by ur guns Limerick! lol... I hope ur right.
What is that based on? I think most fans realize we're one injury away from from being in deep shit.
2013 - Pugh 19th overall
2014 - Richburg - 2nd round
2015 - Flowers - 9th overall
2016 - OL??
If we go OL, we better have a top run game and OL in the league. If we are 15th or below in rushing, this will all be a waste.
Limerick being completely wrong or Giants purposely leaking info to beat writers to keep other teams off who they really want. I think its pretty much that simple.
If Jack is the pick, the Giants will have deployed a hell of a smokescreen and Raanan will have some egg on his face.
2013 - Pugh 19th overall
2014 - Richburg - 2nd round
2015 - Flowers - 9th overall
2016 - OL??
If we go OL, we better have a top run game and OL in the league. If we are 15th or below in rushing, this will all be a waste.
Not me, the OL makes everything else work on offense. I would rather spend the pick on OL than WR or RB.
If Jack is the pick, the Giants will have deployed a hell of a smokescreen and Raanan will have some egg on his face.
It would also indicate a major shift in draft strategy as they just don't do smokescreens...at least they haven't in the past.
I think slade was the one with Nelson.
Limerick was all over Vernon first.
Limerick guy vs Ranaan
And, CB is really thin as well, but I could see them trying to fill this later in the draft.
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That said, I would hate it if Lawson were the pick, which I think your list allows as a possibility
Doctson would be heaven, at the right slot
I seriously think the giants "highest rated by position" is based on who they could get, not everyone in the draft.
I have heard this statement about David wilson, Flowers, even Rueben Randle.
RG. We have John Jerry!
Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, and Buckner will all be gone, leaving us with Floyd who I think myself and any beat reporter thinks is the most likely possibility.
The only real difference between what anyone else is hearing and what I am hearing is that now a lot of people are saying it's Conklin, which I've not heard. On a personal note I don't think the Giants can even invest that much 1st round draft talent into the OL because eventually all need to get paid. So for those saying you might only get 5 years from Jack, be prepared to lose Flowers in 5 years anyway when a team backs up the Brinks truck for him.
The only other thing I am hearing different than anyone else is that the Giants won't pass on Jack at 10.
Where things are going to get really weird is if the following guys are all gone:
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Which is a very very real possibility.
As I said the other day, the best laid plan for the Giants is for 1 of 4 guys (Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, Buckner)
to be sitting there at 10 and they truly do think that is going to happen. It makes sense too, as Elliot isn't getting out of the top 8 and I still hear that a QB is going to go 7, whether to the niners or someone else in a trade. So if Goff, Wentz, Elliot, and Lynch all go before the Giants then if just one more guy outside of their top 4 sneaks into the top 10 they are Golden, whether it be Stanley or Bosa or Rankins or Hargreaves.
let's get going football!
Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, and Buckner will all be gone, leaving us with Floyd who I think myself and any beat reporter thinks is the most likely possibility.
The only real difference between what anyone else is hearing and what I am hearing is that now a lot of people are saying it's Conklin, which I've not heard. On a personal note I don't think the Giants can even invest that much 1st round draft talent into the OL because eventually all need to get paid. So for those saying you might only get 5 years from Jack, be prepared to lose Flowers in 5 years anyway when a team backs up the Brinks truck for him.
The only other thing I am hearing different than anyone else is that the Giants won't pass on Jack at 10.
Where things are going to get really weird is if the following guys are all gone:
Ramsey
Tunsil
Jack
Buckner
Floyd
Which is a very very real possibility.
As I said the other day, the best laid plan for the Giants is for 1 of 4 guys (Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack, Buckner)
to be sitting there at 10 and they truly do think that is going to happen. It makes sense too, as Elliot isn't getting out of the top 8 and I still hear that a QB is going to go 7, whether to the niners or someone else in a trade. So if Goff, Wentz, Elliot, and Lynch all go before the Giants then if just one more guy outside of their top 4 sneaks into the top 10 they are Golden, whether it be Stanley or Bosa or Rankins or Hargreaves.
This sounds very likely. I really like Floyd and I think NYG likes then a lot mainly because they think he has the best chance to be available and can hopefully keep the rest of their picks and not move up.
One name I've not heard once this entire offseason is Lawson.
One name I've not heard once this entire offseason is Lawson.
I've been pretty surprised by that, honestly.
One name I've not heard once this entire offseason is Lawson.
Jack is doubtful to slip or doubtful to be the pick if he's there?
One name I've not heard once this entire offseason is Lawson.
Why doubtful? Doubtful because of the injury concerns or doubtful becauss he will probably not be available when we pick?
One name I've not heard once this entire offseason is Lawson.
This pretty much makes the most sense.
His shoulder was cleared at medical rechecks.
This place is about to explode.
This reminds me of 1999 Draft when the Giants passed on Aaron Gibson and picked Luke Petitgout. This place lost its collective mind.
Interesting. Thanks. All it takes is one team to be happy with his medicals for him to go top 10.
Help with what?
Out of that group a handful should be there. I'm thinking a lot of us are going to be pissed off with who they pass on.
bingo!
Ramsey
Tunsil
Buckner
Jack* (Between One and Two with injury)
Tier Two
Floyd
Conklin
Treadwell
Elliot
By NFL team doctors. I'm not a fan of him at 10 either but he was cleared at medical rechecks for that shoulder, that's a fact.
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general clearance isn't necessarily a bottom line.
By NFL team doctors. I'm not a fan of him at 10 either but he was cleared at medical rechecks for that shoulder, that's a fact.
That doesn't answer the question, imv.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
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NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
It won't matter when the guy is drafted. He's gonna get his 5 years from now regardless. And The Giants would still have staggered all of the OL picks. Pugh is due in 2 years. Richburg in 3 years. Flower in 4 years...this year's guy 5 in years. See? All is well.
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NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
I'm sure Warren had access to MRIs etc.
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NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
Did they look at the correct leg? I wonder about those guys from time to time.
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NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
You sound like a lawyer misrepresenting what I said, which is I want NYG doctors to clear any player they're considering investing in. Passing a re-check is fine and noted, but it's not good enough, it's potentially incomplete groupthink.
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NYG doctors would have to clear him before investing a draft pick in him, not rely on groupthink. I don't know if that is the case.
So you want to hear it directly from Dr. Warren and Dr. Rodeo yourself.. lol got it.
Since they make the actual decisions, and that's whom the brass employs, yes.
The #1 reason for the combine is the medical checks. MRI's are done and some players end up getting flagged by NFL team doctors. Then they have the medical rechecks. MRI's are once again done and then compared to the last MRI. Shaq Lawson was cleared by the SAME NFL team doctors that flagged him.
So, to be clear, you want to believe the NFL team doctors the first time around but not the second.
You sound like a lawyer misrepresenting what I said, which is I want NYG doctors to clear any player they're considering investing in. Passing a re-check is fine and noted, but it's not good enough, it's potentially incomplete groupthink.
Well Jon you claim you have an inside source, why don't you check with them in regards to Lawson..
Lol however what you said is clear, you want to directly hear it from the Giants doctors instead of assuming they were among the group of NFL team doctors that cleared him.
What I'm saying is you heard his shoulder was flagged from the same source the rest of us did and that was at the combine from NFL team doctors. What I'm failing to understand is why were they good enough the first time, at the combine, but not the second at the rechecks.. All sounds kind of funny doesn't it?