"New York Giants owner John Mara empowers general manager Jerry Reese to have final say in most matters. But Mara sits in on draft meetings and studies the book of scouts' reports. And if there is a disagreement between Reese and the head coach, Mara casts the tiebreaker."
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He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
I don't think anyone would ever argue he can't do what he wants but only question whether it is sometimes wise for him to do so.
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
Wellington Mara put us through hell in the 60s and 70s by inserting himself into the process.
Obviously if there is no disagreement there is no need for Reese to even have the final say. Yet if there is a disagreement is sounds like he has very little final say and that is the only time a person needs or uses that power.
I believe that was a Mara. I forget, but was it Chris?
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due to a horse race? Am I misrembering?
I believe that was a Mara. I forget, but was it Chris?
It was Chris, not John
He missed the 2nd half of the third day I believe
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
Wellington Mara put us through hell in the 60s and 70s by inserting himself into the process.
I don't disagree but I am just saying its his team. What I would say is he can't blame Reese if he is gong to insert himself too much into the process.
Agreed
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In comment 12927414 Steve in South Jersey said:
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
Wellington Mara put us through hell in the 60s and 70s by inserting himself into the process.
I don't disagree but I am just saying its his team. What I would say is he can't blame Reese if he is gong to insert himself too much into the process.
I have posted a number of times my opinion that this is at the very heart of why the front GM and the front office was largely spared while TC was singled out and fired.
Whether you agree with TC being fired or not isn't even the issue, but Mara IMO is far too involved in the footballs decision and it has hurt this franchise. And of course he has every right to do so.
Same here and people still don't see it.
I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but I would have thought he would have learned from his fathers mistakes and not so easily fallen into the temptation to repeat them himself.
"Meggett could help on third downs," Mara told him. "He can return punts. He can return kicks. You could develop a role for him."
Parcells respected Mara. He listened. He relented.
Meggett was voted an All-Pro three times and ended his career with the most punt-return yards in history. After Parcells left the Giants to become coach of the Patriots, he signed Meggett in New England.
Chris Mara looks pretty damn good there.
agreed. He was desperate for CB help (yeah I know BPA BS) and wanted Revis but needed assets.
That is inferring a lot. Maybe they simply made the decision because of coaching and wins and losses.
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In comment 12927414 Steve in South Jersey said:
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
Wellington Mara put us through hell in the 60s and 70s by inserting himself into the process.
I don't disagree but I am just saying its his team. What I would say is he can't blame Reese if he is gong to insert himself too much into the process.
I have posted a number of times my opinion that this is at the very heart of why the front GM and the front office was largely spared while TC was singled out and fired.
Whether you agree with TC being fired or not isn't even the issue, but Mara IMO is far too involved in the footballs decision and it has hurt this franchise. And of course he has every right to do so.
It makes sense that the guy writing the checks and spending the money would get more involved as the team has continually failed to make the playoffs. He should. You don't want an absentee owner. You want an owner that cares. Nobody seemed to mind the ownership situation when things were going well. So things turn bad for a time thanks to bad personnel moves and somehow it's on him? Do we think that Mara suddenly turned into Jerry Jones, took credit for the super bowls, and started dictating who they would and would not draft?
Reading that article how could any of us be surprised that the Giants were drafting guys that didn't fit the former head coachs' playing style. In what universe did The Mara's/Reese/Ross think Tom Coughlin would want to spend a 3rd round pick on an undersized H back? That's just one glaring example.
But then you read that John Mara was making the final call if there was a disagreement between Reese & Coughlin. The same John Mara that said Coughlin had more input into the roster than any coach the Giants have ever had. I guess after reading this article John Mara would know.
What a mess the drafts have been in the post Ernie era. Maybe now we know why.
Sure, ownership has changed, so structure has changed. But those changes took place around 2006. Between then and now, we've had brilliant success, and now a run of mediocrity. Are we to only give Mara the blame for the downturn and none of the credit for the success?
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
Wellington Mara put us through hell in the 60s and 70s by inserting himself into the process.
I don't disagree but I am just saying its his team. What I would say is he can't blame Reese if he is gong to insert himself too much into the process.
I have posted a number of times my opinion that this is at the very heart of why the front GM and the front office was largely spared while TC was singled out and fired.
Whether you agree with TC being fired or not isn't even the issue, but Mara IMO is far too involved in the footballs decision and it has hurt this franchise. And of course he has every right to do so.
It makes sense that the guy writing the checks and spending the money would get more involved as the team has continually failed to make the playoffs. He should. You don't want an absentee owner. You want an owner that cares. Nobody seemed to mind the ownership situation when things were going well. So things turn bad for a time thanks to bad personnel moves and somehow it's on him? Do we think that Mara suddenly turned into Jerry Jones, took credit for the super bowls, and started dictating who they would and would not draft?
My perception is that the more he has seemingly gotten involved the worse things have gotten. I guess we can go in circles on that but that's my take.
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How about the novel idea of simply holding the GM and front office accountable and replacing them if he believes that instead of getting actively involved in the process himself? I fail to see where the owner making football decisions has to even be an option. I understand why owners do it but it doesn't mean it is the best option. I would prefer he hire a new GM id he doesn't trust the one he has to make the hardest football decisions they are presented with.
That's obvious.
My point was in response to you reasoning of why his being justified in getting more personally involved.
When you can't seem to put a roster together, you get involved.
But especially so for John Mara since this IS his job. He's not a billionaire businessman by day dangling a sports franchise like an expensive hobby a la woody johnson. The direction of the franchise directly affects him. If the Giants go into the tank and lose national presence, that's money out of pocket.
lol.
In essence John Mara signed off on every pick in that system. If Coughlin or Reese hated the idea they just had to kick and scream until dad made the decision for them.
And ironically that is why I believe he should be smart enough to have learned from his dads mistakes and understand that hiring the best football minds that he can and leaving the football decisions to them gives him the highest chance of success.
I can much easily understand the billionaire who buys a team for fun and prestige wanting to get involved. An owner believing he is the smartest football mind in the room when faced with those toughest decisions better fits that type of owner and not someone who grew up knowing that isn't usually true.
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Mara should have no part in this.
He is the Owner no offense he can do whatever he wants.
I posted earlier in the thread about how the entire statement makes little sense when really looking at what it it says.
Reading that article how could any of us be surprised that the Giants were drafting guys that didn't fit the former head coachs' playing style. In what universe did The Mara's/Reese/Ross think Tom Coughlin would want to spend a 3rd round pick on an undersized H back? That's just one glaring example.
But then you read that John Mara was making the final call if there was a disagreement between Reese & Coughlin. The same John Mara that said Coughlin had more input into the roster than any coach the Giants have ever had. I guess after reading this article John Mara would know.
What a mess the drafts have been in the post Ernie era. Maybe now we know why.
Umm.. the H-Back was the reason why Mike Pope was shown the door first. TC and his position coaches won many of those battles with scouts. Mara said so himself in his 2011 training camp interview on WFAN. Pope thought he could be the next Clark but then wanted him to block like Bravo. And Mara is not a big Sullivan guy for pumping up Barden and not being able to develop him. Two guys the owners took time to say they need to show something.
You cannot fire the owner. Reese may be a figurehead.
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But especially so for John Mara since this IS his job. He's not a billionaire businessman by day dangling a sports franchise like an expensive hobby a la woody johnson. The direction of the franchise directly affects him. If the Giants go into the tank and lose national presence, that's money out of pocket.
And ironically that is why I believe he should be smart enough to have learned from his dads mistakes and understand that hiring the best football minds that he can and leaving the football decisions to them gives him the highest chance of success.
I can much easily understand the billionaire who buys a team for fun and prestige wanting to get involved. An owner believing he is the smartest football mind in the room when faced with those toughest decisions better fits that type of owner and not someone who grew up knowing that isn't usually true.
But Mara doesn't see himself as a Jerry Jones or Sydner. An oil guy or media mogul who brought a football team. He considers himself raised as a football guy. Trained to take over the family business.
The best example of this was 1995, when Reeves wanted Rashaan Salaam while Boisture preferred Ty Wheatley. Young sided with his personnel man. What I found most interesting about the scenario was that Young actually preferred Korey Stringer to both of them, but only considered Wheatley and Salaam in his decision.
Just read this piece and if one actually reads it carefully a pretty strong case can be made it really doesn't say at all what people are implying in this thread. In fact, the statment that "And if there is a disagreement between Reese and the head coach, Mara casts the tiebreaker" isn't a Mara quote but is a conclusion made by the author. What the article is also about is the roles played on the draft by people in the various position and what Mara appears to actually say himself is that Reese runs the room but if there is a confrontational disagreement his job is more of that of a peacemaker who takes the guys outside the room and settles them down. What is left unsaid is whether this in fact happened in the Reese-Coughlin era or whether he's there just in case you get a scenario like the Boisture-Reeves confrontation in 1995 or Accorsi-Fassel over Jurevicius-Alford in 1998. The other interesting thing Mara did say was that in the end the Giants resolve their disputes by sticking with their board and taking the highest rated player - and what I think is interesting - the guy with the most upside. Have a great night.
The Colts offense. Coughlin wanted to open up the passing game as the end of the ground and pound era was approaching in the NFL. Remember his 'this is now a passing league' rant when talking about taking Nicks and Beckum. The idea wasn't just to use him as a TE, but at slot, when one of SS, Hixon or Nicks were off the field. In two TE sets with Boss. He was supposed to be their offensive weapon.
All this was stated on the day he was drafted by Pope. And at rookie camp. Pope, said he will be rarely used at TE due to his size. He was to be all over the field. Then Pope went on to try to teach him how to block and hilarity ensured.
Just read this piece and if one actually reads it carefully a pretty strong case can be made it really doesn't say at all what people are implying in this thread. In fact, the statment that "And if there is a disagreement between Reese and the head coach, Mara casts the tiebreaker" isn't a Mara quote but is a conclusion made by the author. What the article is also about is the roles played on the draft by people in the various position and what Mara appears to actually say himself is that Reese runs the room but if there is a confrontational disagreement his job is more of that of a peacemaker who takes the guys outside the room and settles them down. What is left unsaid is whether this in fact happened in the Reese-Coughlin era or whether he's there just in case you get a scenario like the Boisture-Reeves confrontation in 1995 or Accorsi-Fassel over Jurevicius-Alford in 1998. The other interesting thing Mara did say was that in the end the Giants resolve their disputes by sticking with their board and taking the highest rated player - and what I think is interesting - the guy with the most upside. Have a great night.
But Reese doesn't run the room completely. Ross controls the board with Chris Mara. Reese is the Day 1 and day 2 guy with input from TC.
Per him, Ross, TC and Mara the scouts and position coaches are the day 3 guys including UDFAs. Ross polls the room. In fact, Reese and TC are out of the room doing interviews most of the time on day 3. Chris Mara was in Kentucky watching the Derby last year on Saturday.
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yet blame Reese?
You cannot fire the owner. Reese may be a figurehead.
He is
Please.
"don't fuck it up".