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Slade : 4/28/2016 3:36 pm
All of it.
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RE: At this point who gives a shit?  
Joey in VA : 4/28/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12928145 bceagle05 said:
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We're all gonna find out in a few hours.
I'm there with you brother, I'm all rumored out.
I will say this  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:13 pm : link
Treadwell seems to have a ton of fire/love for the game. We could use more guys like that on the roster..
I'd be totally fine  
Joey in VA : 4/28/2016 4:15 pm : link
With Treadwell fwiw
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 4:16 pm : link
I have no idea if slade is right or not, but I stand by what I've said today...looking at this roster and the lack of activity at WR this offseason, one has to think WR is in play.
...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2016 4:17 pm : link
RE: RE: At this point who gives a shit?  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/28/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 12928162 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 12928145 bceagle05 said:


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We're all gonna find out in a few hours.

I'm there with you brother, I'm all rumored out.


Me as well, I find the responses to asshats funny but could not care less otherwise. IMO, Most of them are compensating for something
Hey..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/28/2016 4:18 pm : link
I'm gonna need about ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone.

No, no make that Quaker State.
I can see the Reese press conference now  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:18 pm : link
"This is a big bodied guy. Playmaker. Goes up, snatches the football. Runs the full route tree, lot of heart. Competitor, and we love his motor. Makes plays all over the field. We aren't concerned with the time. He's got football speed. This is a football player here."
RE: ...  
jeff57 : 4/28/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12928170 Eric from BBI said:
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I have no idea if slade is right or not, but I stand by what I've said today...looking at this roster and the lack of activity at WR this offseason, one has to think WR is in play.

They could take Shepherd or Boyd at 40 if they want one that badly.
Eric Has Doubled Down  
Bob in Vt : 4/28/2016 4:20 pm : link
on a receiver as the #10 pick.

I wonder if he has heard something .........
jeff57  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 4:21 pm : link
Those two aren't Dez Bryant.
Boyd isn't half  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2016 4:21 pm : link
The player that the top 5-6 WRs are.
I thought Eric said slade was legit?  
Damon : 4/28/2016 4:21 pm : link
I don't follow as much as I would like... Who is slade?
RE: Eric Has Doubled Down  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12928185 Bob in Vt said:
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on a receiver as the #10 pick.

I wonder if he has heard something .........


No...I'm just putting 2 and 2 together. If Reese goes into the season without another major weapon at WR, that's not good.
RE: Treadwell  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/28/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12928154 AcidTest said:
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can be had after a trade down. No reason to take him at #10. Now watch him be the pick.


Meh, people love to say stuff like that but there are no guarantees. I'm not in the camp that feels he is a huge reach at 10.

A trade to 15 would be a good move even if Treadwell is off the board there are a multitude of players I'd be happy with at 15, Conklin, Decker, Doctson, Dodd, Coleman, Nkemdiche.
I like Shepard and Boyd but they  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:22 pm : link
don't belong on the same field as Treadwell.
Damon  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 4:23 pm : link
He's been hit or miss.

Hitdog has had a much better batting average - 1.000 during free agency.
I always believed Treadwell was in the mix  
Rjanyg : 4/28/2016 4:23 pm : link
After watching an interview with him he seems very mature and professional. He attacks the ball, is physical and a good blocker. It would be a solid pick IMO but I would love a trade back to 15 and still get him if he is the target.
RE: jeff57  
Emil : 4/28/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 12928187 Eric from BBI said:
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Those two aren't Dez Bryant.


Eric, my hypothetical and in some ways ideal scenario given that I want Reese to get more picks is:

Jags take Floyd
Titans trade with Browns and nab Conklin
Dolphins trade up to 10, grab Elliot
Giants take Treadwell at #13.
RE: ...  
SoDev : 4/28/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12928170 Eric from BBI said:
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I have no idea if slade is right or not, but I stand by what I've said today...looking at this roster and the lack of activity at WR this offseason, one has to think WR is in play.


Agree and if he's your guy, a guy you believe in to be a future all pro for the next 10 years you do not care where he's "mocked". You get your fucking guy and don't play games if you believe it. Yea, trade back and grab him like it's so easy and no one could trade up for him after you trade back.
RE: jeff57  
jeff57 : 4/28/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12928187 Eric from BBI said:
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Those two aren't Dez Bryant.

Neither is Treadwell.
RE: RE: jeff57  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:26 pm : link
In comment 12928202 jeff57 said:
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Neither is Treadwell.

He's pretty damn close..
jeff57  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 4:26 pm : link
Opinions vary on that subject.
RE: I can see the Reese press conference now  
AcidTest : 4/28/2016 4:26 pm : link
In comment 12928180 ryanmkeane said:
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"This is a big bodied guy. Playmaker. Goes up, snatches the football. Runs the full route tree, lot of heart. Competitor, and we love his motor. Makes plays all over the field. We aren't concerned with the time. He's got football speed. This is a football player here."


That is exactly what he would say.
I love when people say someone was a reach  
SoDev : 4/28/2016 4:26 pm : link
cause a guy was picked 10 spots too early based on mocks. You know what that means? The mocks were wrong. As if it's some perfect science.
Theoretically,  
Beezer : 4/28/2016 4:28 pm : link
what could the Giants get back for trading down to 13-15-range?
RE: RE: jeff57  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/28/2016 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12928202 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12928187 Eric from BBI said:


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Those two aren't Dez Bryant.


Neither is Treadwell.



Not only do you see Treadwell's future, you also know exactly who will be available at 40? What else do you see in your crystal ball?
IMO if you are picking past 7 or 8 or so  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:29 pm : link
most of the guys before 20 will all be grouped together. You just have to hit on your guy. If they take Treadwell at 10 and he's great, who cares if they reached.
Beezer  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2016 4:29 pm : link
10 to 15 is approximately an early 3rd rounder if you believe in the chart
If  
AcidTest : 4/28/2016 4:30 pm : link
Treadwell is their guy, Reese isn’t going to risk losing him for an extra third. I would, but that’s just because I’m not as high on him as others. Reese will be getting the top receiver on his board.
RE: I love when people say someone was a reach  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:30 pm : link
In comment 12928208 SoDev said:
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cause a guy was picked 10 spots too early based on mocks. You know what that means? The mocks were wrong. As if it's some perfect science.

+1
Browns are high on Treadwell.  
est1986 : 4/28/2016 4:31 pm : link
That's what I've heard. We brought Treadwell in, if they like him he is surely one us in less than five hours.
RE: Theoretically,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/28/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12928209 Beezer said:
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what could the Giants get back for trading down to 13-15-range?


A third rounder most likely. Unless Tennessee is really desperate And gives up a 2nd.
RE: Theoretically,  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12928209 Beezer said:
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what could the Giants get back for trading down to 13-15-range?


A 2nd or a 3rd and a 5th.
Plenty of defensive talent  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:32 pm : link
to be had in round 2 - especially at DT/DE.
I just watched a bunch of Treadwell highlights  
Duke : 4/28/2016 4:32 pm : link
Guy has great hands. Makes some OBJ like catches. Always fighting for the ball and has a knack for getting open despite not having top flight speed. And....pretty good blocker. If he's the pick. I'll be happy. OBJ, Treadwell and Maybe a healthy Cruz? Can you say best WRs in the league?
You can't argue that the Giants don't need another WR  
Reb8thVA : 4/28/2016 4:32 pm : link
opposite Beckham. They clearly do. However, given the strengths an weaknesses of this draft, it sure seems that they could more easily get a quality receiver in the 2nd or 3rd unlike maybe a pass rusher or an OT.
BBI has come full circle  
Modus Operandi : 4/28/2016 4:32 pm : link
First hating on Treadwell, then hating Floyd, then hating Conklin, then hating Jack (knee injury), and now we're back to hating on Treadwell.

There isn't a first round pick we WON'T hate.
RE: BBI has come full circle  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12928224 Modus Operandi said:
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First hating on Treadwell, then hating Floyd, then hating Conklin, then hating Jack (knee injury), and now we're back to hating on Treadwell.

There isn't a first round pick we WON'T hate.


Goff?
RE: Plenty of defensive talent  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12928220 ryanmkeane said:
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to be had in round 2 - especially at DT/DE.


Not only DL. Plenty of good secondary players at both CB and S. Probably not a strong LB option but we know the Giants tend do devalue that position. I really think it's going to be Conklin.
I'm a Treadwell fan  
Emil : 4/28/2016 4:34 pm : link
And I don't discount that he is not a burner, but just consider this for a moment.

Separation is not created off straight line speed, it's the change of direction (agility) and route running skill that generates separation. By all accounts, Treadwell is a good route runner and is extremely quick for a 6'2" WR. His negatives are his 40 and his vertical, but he has long arms and sticky hands. There is a lot to like with this kid. This is a case of trust your eyes, not the 40 time. On paper Randle was a mode explosive WR than Treadwell. Watch highlights of the two p!Ayers. Anyone think the measurements translated into reality? No they didn't, because Randle was a subpar route runner (didn't finish his routes) and rarely won the battle in tight spaces (not agile). Also Randle never seemed to know how to use his large frame to his benefit. He was a 6'2" WR that p!ayed like a 5'9" WR. Treadwell is a big, physical, agile, polished WR with a comparative streak. What's not to like?
RE: RE: Theoretically,  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12928219 Jon in NYC said:
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what could the Giants get back for trading down to 13-15-range?



A 2nd or a 3rd and a 5th.


This may ultimately be achievable if you have a really aggressive buyer, but is not supported by the chart
Once again I've wasted too much of my life  
WillieYoung : 4/28/2016 4:34 pm : link
on the pre-draft hype. I'm all hyped out
Meh  
Modus Operandi : 4/28/2016 4:34 pm : link
Goff has two Fs in his name. Double fail
RE: RE: Eric Has Doubled Down  
SomeFan : 4/28/2016 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12928190 Eric from BBI said:
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on a receiver as the #10 pick.

I wonder if he has heard something .........



No...I'm just putting 2 and 2 together. If Reese goes into the season without another major weapon at WR, that's not good.


You can also say that the Giants tried to get a RT but failed so RT may be the pick at 10.
RE: I just watched a bunch of Treadwell highlights  
Emil : 4/28/2016 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12928221 Duke said:
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Guy has great hands. Makes some OBJ like catches. Always fighting for the ball and has a knack for getting open despite not having top flight speed. And....pretty good blocker. If he's the pick. I'll be happy. OBJ, Treadwell and Maybe a healthy Cruz? Can you say best WRs in the league?


Singing my song Duke
RE: I'm a Treadwell fan  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12928229 Emil said:
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And I don't discount that he is not a burner, but just consider this for a moment.

Separation is not created off straight line speed, it's the change of direction (agility) and route running skill that generates separation. By all accounts, Treadwell is a good route runner and is extremely quick for a 6'2" WR. His negatives are his 40 and his vertical, but he has long arms and sticky hands. There is a lot to like with this kid. This is a case of trust your eyes, not the 40 time. On paper Randle was a mode explosive WR than Treadwell. Watch highlights of the two p!Ayers. Anyone think the measurements translated into reality? No they didn't, because Randle was a subpar route runner (didn't finish his routes) and rarely won the battle in tight spaces (not agile). Also Randle never seemed to know how to use his large frame to his benefit. He was a 6'2" WR that p!ayed like a 5'9" WR. Treadwell is a big, physical, agile, polished WR with a comparative streak. What's not to like?


He also plays the game like he wants to rip your fucking head off, which I love.

If we somehow picked up an extra 2nd or 3rd AND got Treadwell, I'd do backflips.

For the record, I'd also be just fine taking him at 10
RE: You can't argue that the Giants don't need another WR  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2016 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12928223 Reb8thVA said:
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opposite Beckham. They clearly do. However, given the strengths an weaknesses of this draft, it sure seems that they could more easily get a quality receiver in the 2nd or 3rd unlike maybe a pass rusher or an OT.

Good point...do the Giants think Treadwell is a cut above the rest? And can be a star? That's the question.
RE: RE: RE: Theoretically,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/28/2016 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12928230 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 12928219 Jon in NYC said:


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In comment 12928209 Beezer said:


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what could the Giants get back for trading down to 13-15-range?



A 2nd or a 3rd and a 5th.



This may ultimately be achievable if you have a really aggressive buyer, but is not suppo
rted by the chart



In all likelihood it would have to be a very aggressive offer to coax Reese to trade down. The chart suggest a third rounder is fair compensation. I don't think they'd trade down for that
Lake  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2016 4:40 pm : link
That's fair. And if it's the Titans, we all know they've got an embarrassment of riches. Make em pay.
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