This just screams panic pick. I jokingly said the front office should be fired on the spot if they never planned for this scenario. Well, it sure seems like it.
He reminds me of Corey Webster...not a top 10 pick. I didn't want Floyd, but if everyone in the world knows your target, they jump right up in front of you...Reese is a disaster.
I had a feeling we could take him, but not with Jack and Tunsil both on the board. I feel bad for Jack, he would've been perfect if the injury situation wasn't so severe.
I would've taken Tunsil, but after Will Hill I don't blame Reese.
Not just an overdraft at a redundant spot, but every clip they show...every single damn clip, has him holding onto the WR while the ball is in the air and his head nowhere looking at the ball
has anyone seen one ranking having Apple over Hargreaves? Nightmare scenario unfolded for Giants with top 3 players gone and I guess this was the highest rated player left on their board.
I think it's a product of the Top 10 developing, surprisingly, as most had expected the top 10 to go, with the exception of Tunsil's falling, so that none of the guys they hoped would fall did. So they went for the next best without glaring medical or behavioral red flags.
Apple could end up the best CB in this draft. It's probably a couple picks high, but he should be an instant contributor. Not what I would have done, but I'll take it.
2nd year in a row we pick top ten and select a player at least 10 spots before he would have been taken had we not picked him. Also the first player in this draft that the experts all had at least one thing to point out as a weakness. Jack Hargreaves and Tunsil and we take the 22nd ranked player. We always have to be smarter than everyone else, right Jerry?
"Apple is an under the radar guy when it comes to who NYG will be taking at #10 overall. I think Reese and company will like him a lot, enough to warrant that pick. Apple has more upside than any of the CBs in this class and I dont consider him far off from Hargreaves at all. He has more size and speed with very easy lower body movement. Apple is more physical than you would think initially, too. This guy can get up at the point of attack and really alter guys with the confidence that he can catch up if initially beat. He needs technique work, however. He gets flagged a lot and got away with even more in the games I scouted. His hands are all over the receiver and Im not sure he trusts his technique enough to rely on his lower half completely. Again, really high upside here but may not be an early contributor."
I believe he had him over VH, and said he's the best corner on OSU's campus since Shawn Springs. If he can come close to Springs, I'll be fine. Still processing this, was hoping for Tunsil, Jack, or a trade down.
has anyone seen one ranking having Apple over Hargreaves? Nightmare scenario unfolded for Giants with top 3 players gone and I guess this was the highest rated player left on their board.
Hargreaves doesn't have Apples potential as a #1 corner.
Could have traded down into the twenties and taken Apple. Totally unnecessary to take him at #10. Reese panicked. But no, he and his scouts continue to think theyre smarter than everyone else, despite years of lousy drafts.
He and Ross should be fired. And where is Mara to allow this?
We had a great chance to trade down and get extra picks.
And there goes Hargreaves. Everyone is laughing at us.
can't keep his plans secret and Chicago jumps only one team US because they know who we want. Then the two guys we want are gone and we panic and pick Apple....stupid!!!!!
but has technique issues that have to be corrected. He only had 4 picks in his college career and tends to hold receivers, which will get him flagged moreso in the NFL. Sounds a lot like Browner! Tim Walton has his work cut out for him IMO.
Could have traded down into the twenties and taken Apple. Totally unnecessary to take him at #10. Reese panicked. But no, he and his scouts continue to think theyre smarter than everyone else, despite years of lousy drafts.
He and Ross should be fired. And where is Mara to allow this?
We had a great chance to trade down and get extra picks.
And there goes Hargreaves. Everyone is laughing at us.
Deep breaths - it would appear that both Sy and Dave Te's scouting profiles before the draft don't agree with your analysis.
This is what the venerable Sy'56 provided as his writeup on Apple:
Quote:
2 ELI APPLE 61/199 OHIO STATE: 84
Third year sophomore entry. Former top tier high school recruit started 27 of 28 games for the Buckeyes. Apple has the tools and has shown enough performance to make coaches believe he can be a top tier cover corner in the NFL. The height and length in combination with his loose hips and quick feet make him a threat against any kind of wide receiver. He showed the ability to make plays on the ball and has the aggression to consistently get involved in the action. Apple needs to clean up certain man coverage technique issues in addition to more understanding of pre-snap reads. Teams will take a gamble on his upside but all signs point towards him being a very productive corner in time.
*Apple is an under the radar guy when it comes to who NYG will be taking at #10 overall. I think Reese and company will like him a lot, enough to warrant that pick. Apple has more upside than any of the CBs in this class and I dont consider him far off from Hargreaves at all. He has more size and speed with very easy lower body movement. Apple is more physical than you would think initially, too. This guy can get up at the point of attack and really alter guys with the confidence that he can catch up if initially beat. He needs technique work, however. He gets flagged a lot and got away with even more in the games I scouted. His hands are all over the receiver and Im not sure he trusts his technique enough to rely on his lower half completely. Again, really high upside here but may not be an early contributor.
If he's a quality starting corner for us down the road then it will be a solid pick. People get hung up over draft boards and value and what Kiper/Mayock say but in the end it's about getting good players. He could easily be a better pro than either Floyd (who most of the board hates) or Conklin.
Then this organization needs to find out who their mole or moles are. Everyone who follows this stuff knew that these two players were the ones we were targeting. Just look at the trades to get in front of us and who was selected in these trades. Eris said "loose lips sinks ships". Exactly. It is embarrassing what happened tonight. Also, we selected a player who no one ANYWHERE projected to be in the top 10.
RE: Could we not have traded down if Eli Aplle was the pick?
And neither do any of the posters here. I am always amazed at how many people can speak with absolute certitude about things that they don't really know about. The draft is a crapshoot. Always.
Jints got abused byTenneee and Chicago when both moved up to take our guys. It's embarrassing.
Apple may be a good pick but it should have been Tunsil. It was a gift. Christ for what Apple's worth, if we were gonna waste the pick why not grab Jaylon Smith?
The rating board told him he was a Top 15 pick, IIRC...
If he's a quality starting corner for us down the road then it will be a solid pick. People get hung up over draft boards and value and what Kiper/Mayock say but in the end it's about getting good players. He could easily be a better pro than either Floyd (who most of the board hates) or Conklin.
He's not really a slot CB, but I suppose that DRC will need spelling.
It's a poor pick at 10. I'm normally a Reese defender but there must have been someone they could have traded back with.
This is what the venerable Sy'56 provided as his writeup on Apple:
Quote:
2 ELI APPLE 61/199 OHIO STATE: 84
Third year sophomore entry. Former top tier high school recruit started 27 of 28 games for the Buckeyes. Apple has the tools and has shown enough performance to make coaches believe he can be a top tier cover corner in the NFL. The height and length in combination with his loose hips and quick feet make him a threat against any kind of wide receiver. He showed the ability to make plays on the ball and has the aggression to consistently get involved in the action. Apple needs to clean up certain man coverage technique issues in addition to more understanding of pre-snap reads. Teams will take a gamble on his upside but all signs point towards him being a very productive corner in time.
*Apple is an under the radar guy when it comes to who NYG will be taking at #10 overall. I think Reese and company will like him a lot, enough to warrant that pick. Apple has more upside than any of the CBs in this class and I dont consider him far off from Hargreaves at all. He has more size and speed with very easy lower body movement. Apple is more physical than you would think initially, too. This guy can get up at the point of attack and really alter guys with the confidence that he can catch up if initially beat. He needs technique work, however. He gets flagged a lot and got away with even more in the games I scouted. His hands are all over the receiver and Im not sure he trusts his technique enough to rely on his lower half completely. Again, really high upside here but may not be an early contributor.
Upside Pro Comparison: Vontae Davis/IND
That and the general hatred shown her makes me very excited about the pick.
point is not that Apple cant play. Its that he doesnt warrant the #10 pick. Trade down and take him. And if hes gone, so what? Hes not worth losing any sleep over. Reese just wont trade down. Ever. Now 0 for 67.
The mistake was the lack of secrecy that let EVERYONE know our plans. Flat out embarrassing. I don't give a fuck what they say later. We all know it was Floyd/Conklin or Conklin/Floyd. Apparently, the Titans and Bears knew too. Once again, the best players are right outside our grasp. Apple isn't a bad first round pick. But based on what everyone seems to think ability wise (other than us), we picked him way too high. Just terrible. Only us. Only us.
This guy is rated between 20-30, not 10. There were two other players who fill needs who are much higher rated and we passed. Let's just call a spade a spade- we lack mental acumen up top.
But, at #10 he is a WTF pick. He is not an impact player.
Greg - Why so down on Floyd? Undersized for the NFL?
Because when I watch the tapes people have been posting on him, I just don't see him making a lot of plays. A lot of third guy in the pile tackles, no big hits, no INTs, and not all that much pressure for a guy who is supposed to be an elite pass rusher.
That he could have been called for even more penalties, that the college refs missed. Said he has to clean that up, otherwise has all the tools.
Sy said same thing.
i think he will be put most frustrating player ever with actual games being lost due to opposing drives at the end of the game continuing on because of penalty.
Reese has shown with Pugh, with Flowers, and even with Beckham, that he takes the guy he likes, and does not give a shit what the chalk says. And he does not trade down. I floated the idea Doctson might be the choice. Apple is in a similar spot.
With the # 10 pick, WTF.
Really, his best highlight shows him holding everywhere.
Jesus # 10 pickup overall and we took THE APPLE.
He struggled in college at times, and with his game is not suited for the NFL. What a reach for a pick this high.
RE: RE: Gruden says Apple is a pass interference machine
That he could have been called for even more penalties, that the college refs missed. Said he has to clean that up, otherwise has all the tools.
Sy said same thing.
Do guys really clean that sort of thing up? I don't think they do, they get beat and panicking, just like a QB who tries to change their throwing motion or footwork as soon as the pressure's on they revert to type.
Then this organization needs to find out who their mole or moles are. Everyone who follows this stuff knew that these two players were the ones we were targeting. Just look at the trades to get in front of us and who was selected in these trades. Eris said "loose lips sinks ships". Exactly. It is embarrassing what happened tonight. Also, we selected a player who no one ANYWHERE projected to be in the top 10.
I'd bet the Mara's are the problem. There's a ton of them with an ownership stake and they want to know what's going on with the draft and blab to their friends in the media. The problem certainly pre-dates Reese. Remember Shockey - there were billboards outside telling the world we wanted him. The Titans held us up for a 3rd round pick to move up just one spot. It was hilarious.
I love the definitive statements about how bad a pick it was. How the hell do any of you guys know this? None of us do.
The problem is we have now spent a ton of money/investments in 3 CBs, and we are going to show the door to our best defensive back from our team after this year. So even if Apple is a good player, it doesnt improve the team that drastically.
We still are on path to starting Tye, Jerry, Newhouse, and some WR who hasnt played in 2 years.
grabs a ton. His technique is terrible. Its mostly athleticism right now, and the work he needs doesnt warrant the #10 pick. Get him at #20. Somebody wanted that pick. I would have rather had Treadwell.
I hope Floyd wasn't the target and they didn't get played like a bunch of chumps. But it sure looks like it.
This is my #1 problem - they sure as hell looked like amateurs tonight. And that's not a knock on Apple - he might be a very good player, and if he's a great player then obviously this all goes away. But it sure as hell looks like they were after Floyd and made it too obvious, got played, then stood pat and took the next guy on their board instead of collecting another pick and trying for someone else.
Well, why should we be surprised? Every year we reach
a bit for players and then we talk ourselves into liking the players. When the players fail to make contribution worthy of first rounders, we are too busy criticizing the other more glaring weaknesses to notice.
You trade down, you don't reach, you open your mouth, you get outclassed by other GM's. That's it this idiot should go. He screws up a top 10. You can't make this stuff up!
I don't think you should be angry about the Giants having loose lips,
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
He's not going to come out and say we're a bunch of clueless chumps who fucking shat a brick and panicked. Are they. I don't claim to be an expert on Eli Apple but in every video I've seen he's literally tackling receivers mid route.
I hate that they passed on Tunsil to pick him. That's fucking stupid. He didn't fail a test like that fucking Hokie clown they picked a few years ago - some asshole posted a video of him from God knows when. BFD. Half the league smokes. The important thing is being bright enough to avoid getting caught.
Apple is a cross between Tres Wayne's and Xavier Rhodes
point is not that Apple cant play. Its that he doesnt warrant the #10 pick. Trade down and take him. And if hes gone, so what? Hes not worth losing any sleep over. Reese just wont trade down. Ever. Now 0 for 67.
I love the definitive statements about how bad a pick it was. How the hell do any of you guys know this? None of us do.
The problem is we have now spent a ton of money/investments in 3 CBs, and we are going to show the door to our best defensive back from our team after this year. So even if Apple is a good player, it doesnt improve the team that drastically.
We still are on path to starting Tye, Jerry, Newhouse, and some WR who hasnt played in 2 years.
If something's going on with DRC and we're not going to have him after next year, it made it even more prudent to draft a CB.
I don't know if Apple is going to be a good pick or not but if he was the highest guy on their board "without issues", then we'll see if they're right. Reese has a pretty good track record in the 1st rd so I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt before I go off the deep end.
at 10, and you aren't really an expert or scout - what's to say this is a bad pick? It may be analogous to the Flowers pick - talent is there, upside is there, needs to clean up the technique issues. RE: trading back - if you like him at 10, someone else could too.
RE: Watch Myles jack have an incredible 10 year run
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 15m15 minutes ago
Had heard persistently that Apple would have been Miami's pick at 13 if no trade for Elliott and Elliott gone by that pick
at 10, and you aren't really an expert or scout - what's to say this is a bad pick? It may be analogous to the Flowers pick - talent is there, upside is there, needs to clean up the technique issues. RE: trading back - if you like him at 10, someone else could too.
Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
The whole "trade down" thing is 100% assumption based.
Read this. He may have been the second most complete CB in the draft, after Ramsey
NOTE...While Hargreaves III and Jackson III had success as pass thieves, their penchant for attacking the ball, rather than staying close on man coverage assignments resulted in a high amount of passes being completed vs. them. While Ramsey and Apple were not ball thieves, they were highly effective in containing the assignments to minimal gains, evident by their low average yields per pass completion/attempt.
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
Sounds like they were looking for a 3rd I'm hearing but was only get 4th round offers.
I don't mind Apple because I was no Hargreaves fan myself. I don't think he has the measurables like a Ramsey and Apple.
wouldnt it depend on where they were trading down to and where Apple should have been picked? If it was 5 or so slots they would have the same player and the 4 would be fine. Maybe even more spots than that. At this point these guys are interchangeable
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 15m15 minutes ago
Had heard persistently that Apple would have been Miami's pick at 13 if no trade for Elliott and Elliott gone by that pick
Oh good, that bastion of great drafting was going to take him. Well that's ok.
I hate that they passed on Tunsil to pick him. That's fucking stupid. He didn't fail a test like that fucking Hokie clown they picked a few years ago - some asshole posted a video of him from God knows when. BFD. Half the league smokes. The important thing is being bright enough to avoid getting caught.
Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
just didn't have much of a book on Tunsil because he was expected to be gone. So when they video came up they had no context - is he basically a good kid or not? If that's the case it's inexcusable. Picking 10th you should have a list of 10 guys you want, thoroughly check all 10 out and then pick the best one who's there when your turn comes. This controversy with Tunsil will likely be long forgotten by September. A college kid smoking dope shouldn't shock anyone.
from those available. Would have preferred a trade down.. but I really liked what i saw from him, he wouldn't be available for long. This was a big need as a third corner is something that equates a starter in today's NFL. Like him slightly better than Hargreaves.
What I don't like.. that everyone knew we wanted Floyd and Conklin.
Respectfully do not agree, the Apple would have been there in another round. If your going to reach you should have drafted Tunsil, Jack, or even Smith with his injury if your going off the chart of sanity to insanity.
is the classic Reese pick. Upside, and athleticism. But thats not enough at #10.
Exactly, until the day he is fired/resigned Reese will always go measurables and a long frame that can be grown into. We called it months ago that they wouldn't pick Hargreaves because he wasn't tall enough.
The Giants can't trust tunsil. I'd like to kill Reese but he's been pretty good in the 1st round, when they picked ODB we all questioned it too. Fact is that they are building this defense around DL and CBs - get the ball outta the QBs hands quick and have studs make plays on the ball, not sure how much I can argue. Reese just doesn't place much value on LBs or Safety - his defensive philosophy is rush the passer and make plays on the ball - at least Apple fits Spags plan
But at #10 in the first round you should be able to obtain a player who is an immediate starter, not someone who may be excellent down the road. Apple's "highlight" reel was very disappointing. All of one interception last season? Meh.
Is a good player at a position of need
He will be good this year and likely very good next year and better yet after that
Upside is a very abused term in football circles but this kid has tremendous upside
Jints fixed their dl in the offseason but really needed to upgrade their secondary and this pick really helps
Now the Jints need to draft a pass covering S along with a wr and ot with their next picks
With Papa, banks,deihl. Had Reese on said he was the highest rated player on their board that had no issues. Guys got talent, size and speed. Can he improve his technique? They all like the pick. I'm not sure?
JR did not watch enough of his tape at OSU!
The kid is not a top 10 pick, if the players you really
wanted were off the board, trade the fuck down!
JR doesn't trade down, not his MO as a GM.
I guess the good news is Apple can play the slot.
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
because it's not the sexy pick everyone on BBI wanted....
I keep reading trade down but it takes 2 to tango unless you wish the Giants to give up picks to move back...
Yes the draft didn't really fold Giants way...still you guys are forgetting the C.Jones draft nor is this the 97 draft.
I absolutely feel the Giants didn't see a need for a LT, and that factored in, as well as the baggage. They will grab a RT in the second or third. I would rather they have taken the chance with Tunsil.
just didn't have much of a book on Tunsil because he was expected to be gone. So when they video came up they had no context - is he basically a good kid or not? If that's the case it's inexcusable. Picking 10th you should have a list of 10 guys you want, thoroughly check all 10 out and then pick the best one who's there when your turn comes. This controversy with Tunsil will likely be long forgotten by September. A college kid smoking dope shouldn't shock anyone.
If the thread about the Jerry quote is true, they basically had Tunsil (and Jack) at the top of their boards and didn't draft him because of weed.
Meanwhile we just got a perfect man-press size/physicality fit for the defense with a ton of upside. Have a great night guys.
It's a reach, he's a 3 year player who can't currently cover without grabbing. He might turn out to be an all time great, I hope he does, but he's almost certainly not going to do so this season.
He's as raw as raw can be, and we picked him at 10.
You don't move up because you're scared someone is going to take a player you like. You move up because you want a player and you know his value. The Giants didn't cause anyone to move up, Floyd did. The Giants really liked Floyd at 10? No fucking duh. Seems like the consensus is he was the 9th or 10th best player in the draft. If a team is making draft decisions based on Jordan Ranaan tweets, that's probably the GM to worry about.
Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
The best defenses have a strong secondary followed by a pass rush. As many have pointed out earlier this week, we're deceptively weak in the secondary, so this was a combination of need and skill. Sure, they could have gone Hargraeves, but I don't mind swinging for the fences.
The disconcerting part is that everyone and their mother knew they liked Floyd. It feels like Accorsi is running the show again.
It took ot out of the equation-
Given how high Floyd was on their board- I don't understand why they didn't trade up for him (I would not have but if you have him that high...)
The grade on treadwell was too low to take him- Jack wasn't on the board..... Not sure what people thought the Giants should do there. Reese wanted more to trade down- instead he followed his board. I had t realized Apple jumped hardgreaves until the Bears jumped us and it was clear Floyd was out.
Lilly White Giants wear frickin dresses when it comes to drafting any player who might have any controversary about him. Tunsil should have been the pick without any hesitation.
WTF!
The good thing about this, is I'm almost certain that we can say that this is Reese's last draft as Giants' GM.
He has spit-the-bit before (David Wilson). He did it again tonight!
Let's see how Mara spins this one!!
BTW, I hate Dallas so much! Ezekiel is going to kill us. He is going to bring back nightmares of Emmitt Smith!
Think we set the world record when the entire universe watching the draft said "WHO" ...
followed by who the BLANK is Eli Apple.
Good thing the draft was in Chicago, because Radio City would have been a crap storm. How the @#*K could we have drafted an APPLE at TEN. AT TEN.
April 7tth I predicted he would be picked by the Giants. If you don't understand me don't Bash me lol. This is very Very good for the Giants which is why i predicted it
Maybe the Giants have more info on him though. I think Apple can be a nice player but Giants could have done better. Disappointing. I think Tampa wanted Apple and Giants took him as payback.
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
You are flat out wrong. Just flat out wrong and talking out your a$$. You draft ability over readiness. There are players to be drafted in the 20's that will start but are maxed out. They took Flowers who was raw as raw could be at 9. They took JPP who played 11 Div 1 A games at 15.
It took ot out of the equation-
Given how high Floyd was on their board- I don't understand why they didn't trade up for him (I would not have but if you have him that high...)
The grade on treadwell was too low to take him- Jack wasn't on the board..... Not sure what people thought the Giants should do there. Reese wanted more to trade down- instead he followed his board. I had t realized Apple jumped hardgreaves until the Bears jumped us and it was clear Floyd was out.
Hoping we get a wr in round 2.
If they had Floyd rated that highly, then they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves how little operational security they practice and how everyone in the free world has known for weeks now that the Giants were after him.
Should be in all the nickel and dime packages from the get go
This is a very talented athletic corner
Jints are lucky to get him
Wait until you actually see this guy play before getting down on him
Apple is a baller
You will see
I think JR showed some real balls in taking Apple over Hargreaves wh
O is a little more polished right now
Apple will likely be more productive long term
Corner is such an important position in the pass happy NFL and Apple will be a good one
just didn't have much of a book on Tunsil because he was expected to be gone. So when they video came up they had no context - is he basically a good kid or not? If that's the case it's inexcusable. Picking 10th you should have a list of 10 guys you want, thoroughly check all 10 out and then pick the best one who's there when your turn comes. This controversy with Tunsil will likely be long forgotten by September. A college kid smoking dope shouldn't shock anyone.
You're doing too much analyzing. The Giant organization is just too Lilly White. They are scared off by poorly researched rumors and hyperbole!
Floyd and Conklin were off the board, and he didnt want to take Tunsil, then he should have gotten on the phone to teams in the late teens to mid twenties. That way he could have gotten a two for moving back that far. So what if Miami took Apple at #13? This is a red chip, not a blue chip, draft. Get more picks for day two. There are plenty of other CBs, including some who dont grab as much as Apple.
What he needed to do was shut his mouth! Did anyone know what SD was doing at #3. No one should know anything prior to the pick. Instead everyone knew. The reporters knew Jack was off their list, they knew all our players we liked. If he worked for the Government and he gave away secrets he would be arrested for treason.
right now. Mainly because I don't know much about Apple, and also because we all had no idea that Apple was a favorite. It's underwhelming to say the least, but, it might be a really good pick for us.
Good, bad, and ugly. Tools are there, for sure. Some inconsistent technique. A little grabby. But let him learn under vets like DRC and Jenkins.
If he went back to OSU, probably top corner in the 2017 draft? Eli Apple 2015 Targets - ( New Window )
My point of view on his technique...
1. yes he is grabbing too much. His feet are not getting him into the right position so he is making up for it with his hands.
2. not using his hands effectively when the ball is snapped within the first 5 yards.
3. No ball awareness. That ball is going past his ear hole and he does not even know it.
4. Tackling is his strength. A good thing but not enough to justify a #10 pick.
5. Something that nobody is mentioning is his height. He is 6'1". We needed a taller corner. We have had too many short guys and this is now a league where we have some BIG WRs.
I'm rooting for him now like every other Giant. We definitely needed that 3rd CB, but can he play the slot or does Jack Rabbit move inside in 3 WR sets?!
Floyd and Conklin were off the board, and he didnt want to take Tunsil, then he should have gotten on the phone to teams in the late teens to mid twenties. That way he could have gotten a two for moving back that far. So what if Miami took Apple at #13? This is a red chip, not a blue chip, draft. Get more picks for day two. There are plenty of other CBs, including some who dont grab as much as Apple.
The Giants can't trust tunsil. I'd like to kill Reese but he's been pretty good in the 1st round, when they picked ODB we all questioned it too. Fact is that they are building this defense around DL and CBs - get the ball outta the QBs hands quick and have studs make plays on the ball, not sure how much I can argue. Reese just doesn't place much value on LBs or Safety - his defensive philosophy is rush the passer and make plays on the ball - at least Apple fits Spags plan
That's grand. But PFF cited that Apple's back is always to the QB. He will make few picks and is not a sure tackler. That's worth a #10 for Reese, no?
Polian said the Tunsil video wouldn't be the sole reason
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
More Reese bullshit. There is no chance he was their best player at that point, clean or not. Just another instance where this fucking guy and his FO think they're outsmarting the rest of the league....and in the event Apple was indeed the top player, then we have to question what exactly the fuck these guys have been looking at since January...
Athletically he's top 10 talent. We have 2 great corners ahead of him. He doesn't need to counted on right away. Just wish they could have traded down a bit to get another pick.
NOTE...While Hargreaves III and Jackson III had success as pass thieves, their penchant for attacking the ball, rather than staying close on man coverage assignments resulted in a high amount of passes being completed vs. them. While Ramsey and Apple were not ball thieves, they were highly effective in containing the assignments to minimal gains, evident by their low average yields per pass completion/attempt.
NOTE...Ramsey's ability as a run stuffer is why teams are strongly considering him for safety chores. Apple was also highly effective in shutting down the outside running game. For Jackson III, he was sort of the "Where's Waldo" when it came to run support. He did not make his first tackle in run support until the seventh game on the 2016 schedule and three of his five tackles vs. ball carriers did not come until the final two appearances on Houston's 14-game schedule. For Hargreaves III, he had two tackles vs. the run in the season opener that included a 30-yard gain on one carry by New Mexico State, but made just two more stops vs. the run in his final ten contests.
NOTE...Eli Apple and Jalen Ramsey kept the opponent to a minimum when it came to first down success, but the gambling coverage style by both Hargreaves III and Jackson III led to a high amount of big plays vs. them. Hargreaves III allowed seven receptions vs. Mississippi, 106 yards and a touchdown vs. LSU and then was torched for another big score vs. Michigan. Jackson III allowed at least four receptions in seven of his thirteen appearances that included just a cameo show vs. Navy. In his last four starting assignments, he was charged with 22 receptions for 252 yards. He did set a school record by deflecting seven passes vs. Temple, but it was obvious that opposing quarterbacks felt that they could target his area often (93 targets).
Using our scoring statements for each category, Ohio State's Eli Apple has shown why this "flying under the radar" cornerback is starting to get so much attention from NFL teams as draft day approaches.
1) Reese said there was an offer to trade down. He didn't like it.
2) Did they really have Apple graded higher than Hargreaves? Long term...maybe. Right now, it's just nuts. There were still potential impact players out there and we took a guy who would have been there at least 10 picks later.
Reese s only alternative was to take a chance on Tunsil. Do we really blame him for passing. It s not like Apple doesn't play an important position. Don t see how his risk is more than Tunsil.
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
What he needed to do was shut his mouth! Did anyone know what SD was doing at #3. No one should know anything prior to the pick. Instead everyone knew. The reporters knew Jack was off their list, they knew all our players we liked. If he worked for the Government and he gave away secrets he would be arrested for treason.
I highly doubt the leaks are coming from Jerry. More likely Tisch.
RE: RE: RE: Please stop telling me it's a bad pick
I'll tell you why it's a bad pick. Because Reese has spit-the-bit before when teams traded in front of him to draft the player(s) he wanted.
Reese has panicked several times previously.
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Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
It's the fact that they can't contain the information leaks in the organization and teams teams are jumping up to take their guys.
Mara talks about loss of credibility. Well here you go. All the talk about about the importance of this draft and the need to step it up and this is how they play it?
A third corner that holds a lot at ten? Brilliant. We have holes everywhere. Would rather have taken a chance on Jack or Tunsil. Had our pick of WR's that will start immediately too. As an added bonus Apple can't cover the slot.
Reese has not missed in RD 1 but this pick is a reach no matter what happens.
1) Reese said there was an offer to trade down. He didn't like it.
2) Did they really have Apple graded higher than Hargreaves? Long term...maybe. Right now, it's just nuts. There were still potential impact players out there and we took a guy who would have been there at least 10 picks later.
Hargreaves has huge bust potential. 5'10" and slow. That usually does not cut it in NFL. Plus, Apple has a higher ceiling.
Once again, JR sitting on his hands while Tennessee and Chicago maneuver ahead of them to steal the two players that by most accounts they wanted the most (Conklin and Floyd). As I have many times before, good GMs get what they want and shitty ones get what's left. Jerry has no clue. This is deja vu Doug Martin where the Bucs traded up and stole him one pick ahead of the Giants leaving them with David Wilson. Appears to be his MO. How John Mara hasn't fired him for blatant incompetence is inconceivable. He is worthless.
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
They never wanted Martin. This has been reported many times.
I was sure the Giants were trading down. I don't know anything about this guy so I am not going to say he is great or sucks but he looks pretty frail, is coming out early and the first thought I had was another injury prone Prince Amukamara. Unless you are drafting Deon Sanders I don't love DB's that high. Only time will tell but the pick doesn't excite me and could be a nail in the coffin for Jerry if he doesn't pan out.
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
More Reese bullshit. There is no chance he was their best player at that point, clean or not. Just another instance where this fucking guy and his FO think they're outsmarting the rest of the league....and in the event Apple was indeed the top player, then we have to question what exactly the fuck these guys have been looking at since January...
just didn't have much of a book on Tunsil because he was expected to be gone. So when they video came up they had no context - is he basically a good kid or not? If that's the case it's inexcusable. Picking 10th you should have a list of 10 guys you want, thoroughly check all 10 out and then pick the best one who's there when your turn comes. This controversy with Tunsil will likely be long forgotten by September. A college kid smoking dope shouldn't shock anyone.
You're doing too much analyzing. The Giant organization is just too Lilly White. They are scared off by poorly researched rumors and hyperbole!
Yeah, Reese & Ross are clearly Mayflower blue bloods. Get a clue!
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Apple has the physical ability to play away, technique wise he's a mile away, he's far far too grabby.
To those who say that you can only trade down if you have a trade partner, it's not a matter of you do or you don't. If your pick is not that highly sought after, then you have to take a little less in a trade.
i recall many people, including many on these site having the Giants pick jpp where we picked him. Debate was over him and some bigger de from a more established program (forget who that was ATM)
Watch game tape of Apple. He consistently ties up with WR's. I mean, on practically every pass play. That's not going to fly in the NFL. He's got some raw speed and good hands, quick to make decisions and follows-through on tackles, but he's going to need a lot of coaching. I don't consider him a top 10 talent.
He might turn out to be a good player for us, but you want someone you can plug in and play out of a top 10 pick and he's just not that.
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
FUCK u Rich... ur a dickhead.. it was a shit pick at 10.. Tunsel was the pic... Hope that this is the last draft for Jerry.. APPLE @ 10 ?????
RE: RE: Incredible stupidity levels here are amazing
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Apple has the physical ability to play away, technique wise he's a mile away, he's far far too grabby.
So you're saying he's a grab-apple?
We could have had better players at premium positions
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Well, at least they have two, which is more than you can say about WR.
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
They never wanted Martin. This has been reported many times.
That was a spin by Reese. Of course they wanted Martin! Ask any insider who was around the Giants then!
that has a weakness that needs to be coached out of the player, when Ereck Flowers was the pick last season.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
RE: We could have had better players at premium positions
Tunsil is the top rated OT. Jack is the top rated MLB.
Apple will be the 3rd corner, not a starter.
3rd corners play a LOT now in today's NFL. The disasters that were Jayron Hosley and Turk McBride in 2015 show that. If Jack was healthy, someone/anyone would've chosen him already... he wouldn't have even been available at 10. You can't knock the Giants for doing the same thing everyone else is.
Passing up on Tunsil was colossally stupid.
RE: Funny to see people shocked the Giants would take a player
that has a weakness that needs to be coached out of the player, when Ereck Flowers was the pick last season.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
I didn't like the Flowers pick, either and I stand by that today.
taking him at #13 is not a reason for us to take him at #10. He isnt worth the #13 pick either. Move back into the twenties and get an extra two and then some. Plenty of other CBs, like Jackson, who dont grab as much. Apple is going to get flagged a lot.
I watched a couple of games including highlights of the 2014 Alabama game.
I want to give Apple the benefit of the doubt and I hope he proves my observations wrong. Apple was not impressive. He was awful tackling. He was indecisive and looked uninterested. He did not pursue plays, was beat in coverage, and played off his man.
taking him at #13 is not a reason for us to take him at #10. He isnt worth the #13 pick either. Move back into the twenties and get an extra two and then some. Plenty of other CBs, like Jackson, who dont grab as much. Apple is going to get flagged a lot.
tb took hargreaves theres a chance they take apple at 11
I was thinking the same. It's clear Giants were not interested in investing a 3rd first-rounder on the OLine. Also for reasons that should be obvious to everyone here they had no interest in a LB who may never be what he was pre injury. Apple/Hargreaves reasonable people can disagree which is better. But I like picking the guy with better size who hits and whose biggest drawback is coachable technique issues.
I watched a couple of games including highlights of the 2014 Alabama game.
I want to give Apple the benefit of the doubt and I hope he proves my observations wrong. Apple was not impressive. He was awful tackling. He was indecisive and looked uninterested. He did not pursue plays, was beat in coverage, and played off his man.
2014 ? You mean when he was a redshirt freshman? Against Alabama? He didn't dominate? And thats how you evaluate him?
I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
that has a weakness that needs to be coached out of the player, when Ereck Flowers was the pick last season.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
i don't think it is. I think it's pretty ingrained and it's how you play. Maybe it can be corrected but I think that will be a tough task. We shall see and I hope for the best. I guess it's a good thing that TC is gone because I would bet that this guy would have been put on the bench after the first few or several games lost due to penalties and never got the chance to prove himself capable of correcting that flaw.. Mac will likely be more tolerant in the regard.
When the Giants drafted Wilson, the clock almost ran out. Anybody remember? Reese was clearly befuddled!
Why? You guess why! It's certainly not because Reese was thinking about trading down!
RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
that has a weakness that needs to be coached out of the player, when Ereck Flowers was the pick last season.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
I didn't like the Flowers pick, either and I stand by that today.
That's fine, it's up in the air. But the point is that's why you have position coaches. It's their job to transition him to the NFL. It's not like they drafted a player with cloven feet. You can refine a player's technique. The important stuff is already there. This isn't some small school flyer overdrafted. He's legitimately talented and has been the #2/#3 corner in this draft.
I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
RE: RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
tb took hargreaves theres a chance they take apple at 11
I was thinking the same. It's clear Giants were not interested in investing a 3rd first-rounder on the OLine. Also for reasons that should be obvious to everyone here they had no interest in a LB who may never be what he was pre injury. Apple/Hargreaves reasonable people can disagree which is better. But I like picking the guy with better size who hits and whose biggest drawback is coachable technique issues.
no I think it's clear that they want to keep Flowers at LT and saw Tunsil as a bad fit with all the baggage. They would have taken Conklin if the Titans didn't trade up.
RE: RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
Sy, who spends an immense amount of time breaking down game film on these guys, or a bunch of random assholes on BBI, half of whose screen names I've never seen before
I screamed for Hargeaves ....
So we take Apple I guess in hindsight I shouldn't
be pissed . Will wait and see who turns out better
since Hagreaves went next .
I just didn't think/know Apple was a TOP TEN PICK.
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
honestly been convinced that the wr in this draft are not differ nice-makers so I don't think we should care if we can get one later or not at all. That's why I'm saddened but not outraged by the Apple pick. I already had us penciled in for next years #1 WR.
All the hate for Apple... kid has the most potential of any CB in the draft. Almost 6'1 and runs a 4.4 and people are pissed? Smooth hips plays physical... main issue is he is very grabby... wasnt my top choice, but it isn't like we took a guy that can't help us. We need CBs bad! Kid is going to be our 3rd CB which plays a lot and then take over next year on the outside. Shoot we need another CB in this draft!
and understandably upset. Nothing broke our way. I had Apple ahead of Hargreaves, and at the end of the year, he was very good and physical. We're getting a good player who can be great with some technique.
This is a scout's selection.. Reese was actually pretty brave with this pick. I would have traded down for a receiver.. but they must have had a big grade on this guy. At that point the three guys available that fit were Karl Joseph, Josh Doctson, and Vernon Hargreaves. Apple was squarely in that tier of talent.
so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
I try not to get too hung-up on the opinions of the professional
so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
Sucks for you, I suggest a hobby that isn't sports.
and understandably upset. Nothing broke our way. I had Apple ahead of Hargreaves, and at the end of the year, he was very good and physical. We're getting a good player who can be great with some technique.
This is a scout's selection.. Reese was actually pretty brave with this pick. I would have traded down for a receiver.. but they must have had a big grade on this guy. At that point the three guys available that fit were Karl Joseph, Josh Doctson, and Vernon Hargreaves. Apple was squarely in that tier of talent.
so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
I hope he drops into round 2 so the Giants can get him.
Said he completely shut down Will Fuller one on one. Says he can run with anyone
Yeah i don't get the response. He has a ton of talent and is super young. He could be a super star and people wanted a guy who got busted breaking NCAA rules, has some weird lawsuit against him, and smokes weed! You guys are crazy!
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
RE: RE: RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
Apple is very athletic, fast, strong, good in run support and will play a ton of snaps early on. Our depth at corner was nothing and DRC is bound to miss games.
I'd prefer Tunsil too, but I can understand their reasons. Apple has more upside than almost any other corner in the draft.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Yes. Agree
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
i think you just committed us to 2 picks in the second round
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Is he giveth and taketh away. Some pass defenses where you go "wow, he's terrific" and as many or more where you gnash your teeth because of a "5 yards and an automatic first down" or "ball will be placed at the spot of the foul".
I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
Exactly. It was just last week I read here that at 10, we shouldn't draft a guy with bad tape hoping he'd be a better producer as a pro than in college (Floyd). Well, that's exactly what we did.
when you realize the rules have made it almost impossible during the regular season for CB's really 'cover' anyone.
A cornerback sneezes on a WR and he's flagged. During the regular season your CB's better be sure-fire tacklers or have elite ball skills. Apple doesn't do either.
Now during the post-season when the refs swallow their whistles, CB's can do a little more and get away with more but even then, that helps the perceived 'lesser' CB's more then the Good ones.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
That is the thing... good CB already... potential to be the best CB that includes Ramsey! People are idiots acting like we took Keanu Neal!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would have been happier with Treadwell in that slot
WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
i think you just committed us to 2 picks in the second round
What do you mean committed? ... just saying if the Giants want to go OL or WR in the 2nd round there is plenty of good talent. I wasn't guessing on where they go?
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
Yes, I agree ... I think that is why some people seem to be in complete shock.
apple is the anti-Leonard Floyd in many respects. He is 20 years old as opposed to 24 yrs old. He is big for his position, not questionably thin. He is Floyd in that he does not have a lot of highlights, but he may very well have been the #1 CB in next year's draft had he stayed in school.
I wanted Jack. I thought he was worth the risk. Jerry disagreed. I guess I could apply for the GM position with the Giants, but I'm not sure they would be overwhelmed by my resume.
Multiple people liked this guy over Hargreaves and some here liked
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
fan of the pick. Know very little about Apple, but he fits the physical prototype, is young, and fills a big need. Doesn't need to come in and be a starter for at least two years. CB was a HUGE need.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
Almost no one uses a FB or Hback anymore. 3 Corners with the speed to play man to man allow us to blitz from anywhere. Sacks and turnovers this year bet on it. We wanted to do this with Thurmond and he got hurt. They have a plan that are trying to execute and I like it. 20 YO 4.4 6'1 Started at Ohio St HUGE upside
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
everything went wrong with the first 9 picks. miles is too hurt, tunsil gassed himself, so conklin and stanley got picked, and the chicago leap frogs them to take floyd. they probably could have traded down 5-10 spots and still gotten eli apple.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
Ha..don't get your panties in an uproar because your rational is asinine (Biggest priority is a 3rd Db with potential, because..well...they pass in the league). Shit both safeties taken after him were better picks, but we need that 2 down player with the 10th pick as a 3rd DB instead because he has "potential". Take your nose out of Reese's ass and when "Old Grabby" gets flagged for PI covering a 3rd WR you can tell us all about his "potential".
You like the pick? Great, he may be real good 3 years from now because of potential. To me its an idiotic pick with 10th with such glaring needs like we have and the studs that were there for us to pick. Don't whine when it gets pointed out to once again later in the year
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
yes because he never performed in big games.
I never said that, I am pointing out the absurdity of using "potential" as the main point for drafting him with the 10th pick and giving the glaring needs we have. I understand that went over your head, and thus why I took the time to explain something as simple as that. You may follow along now.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
Ha..don't get your panties in an uproar because your rational is asinine (Biggest priority is a 3rd Db with potential, because..well...they pass in the league). Shit both safeties taken after him were better picks, but we need that 2 down player with the 10th pick as a 3rd DB instead because he has "potential". Take your nose out of Reese's ass and when "Old Grabby" gets flagged for PI covering a 3rd WR you can tell us all about his "potential".
You like the pick? Great, he may be real good 3 years from now because of potential. To me its an idiotic pick with 10th with such glaring needs like we have and the studs that were there for us to pick. Don't whine when it gets pointed out to once again later in the year
Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
I don't think potential means he may be bad. Apple is a good player, I just believe we had much better choices for more glaring needs at that point. I don't know why that is so hard to understand
as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
Tunsil a guy smoking weed as your first pick at 10? Decker at best an ok OT, or Lee a very good LB but not that much more of a need imo.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
i am disgusted,,,truly...
Rotten Apple - ( New Window )
He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
Lol I want to know what that means also Jim. I had to google it. I think it means "make your butt bigger" .... it didn't say how though ... you know what? Forget it ... I don't want to know.
1 - Tunsil, draft's second best player, was available
2 - The 2 players most connected to Giants, Floyd & Conklin, were acquired through trade ups. Did that happen due to leaks?
With the exception of Tunsil, there wasn't 1 single player drafted after Apple in which I said, "Dammit, I wish the Giants drafted him instead". That's why Apple being picked at 10 isn't an issue for me. However, to pass on Tunsil, I would've needed access to something way more damning than a weed video.
Needs reps and more of a project than I would personally prefer with the 10th overall pick At his best he has as much potential as any DB in this draft, but there is a lot of work to do. Hoping it is just a lack of experience that good coaching and time can correct and not a low football IQ. If he was the guy at #10 I would have preferred a trade down. That being said, I am not privy to 1) what was being offered and 2) where we had players ranked. Scouting is a very insular community so I do believe that teams have an idea about who the teams around them would potentially be targeting. If the Giants felt that there was going to be teams going after Apple in the early teens and there was a legitimate drop after him, I could see not gambling that he would still be there. Look at KC only getting a 4th and a 6th to go from a late 1 to early 2. If a team like Detroit was only offering a 4 to move up because Tunsil was there, I could see why Reese passed
The trick is to look at the team, the board, the contracts and pieces in place, the coaching staff, their philosophy and the philosophy of the organization moving forward.
Measurables, rankings, media Bullshit. It's all nonsense.
I'm erring on the side of the Giants FO gambling yet taking some of the things we might think are important, as less important during their evaluations. As experts and people intimately involved with this process and this particular high stakes decision.
It's done.
Now it's time to figure out how it fits. As a coach, that's the best part.
1 - Tunsil, draft's second best player, was available
2 - The 2 players most connected to Giants, Floyd & Conklin, were acquired through trade ups. Did that happen due to leaks?
With the exception of Tunsil, there wasn't 1 single player drafted after Apple in which I said, "Dammit, I wish the Giants drafted him instead". That's why Apple being picked at 10 isn't an issue for me. However, to pass on Tunsil, I would've needed access to something way more damning than a weed video.
That video hurt him ... dam. I still would have taken him.
Like someone else said previously ... this draft for me will always be about Apple vs. Tunsil. The other fan favorites were not even in the mix when we picked ... couldn't believe Tunsil was still there.
Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
I don't think potential means he may be bad. Apple is a good player, I just believe we had much better choices for more glaring needs at that point. I don't know why that is so hard to understand
Again... who are these amazing players that are better and at more important positions?
" every year someone comes out looking like a jackass
as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
Tunsil a guy smoking weed as your first pick at 10? Decker at best an ok OT, or Lee a very good LB but not that much more of a need imo.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
the 3 guys I really would have been happy with all went in the 4 picks before the Giants (Stanley, Conklin, Floyd). I'm not a huge fan of Tunsil. So, I'm not sure who I would definitively say I had to have that went after Apple.
Both Apple and Flowers are extremely young guys who were unproven in the college game but possess great tools to work with. High risk, high reward.
I'm not gonna lie, I liked Hargreaves III, Kendall Fuller (if healthy), William Jackson III and Mackensie Alexander all more than Apple. In fact, I wanted Hargreaves III at #10 as I still think he'll be a great CB so naturally, I was disappointed when we picked Apple.
Having said that, after doing a bit more digging and reading what JonC had to say a couple of months back, I'm warming up to the pick. Apple has tools that you can't teach. Technique, however, can be taught and one that is taught, Apple could end up as a fantastic starting cornerback.
Eli Apple, Ohio State (6 5/8, 199lbs, 31 3/8 arms, 4.40 speed, 7.00 3-cone, 4.08 SS) 20 year old RS sophomore entry from Voorhees, NJ. Two year starter at RCB. Excels in press man coverage. Made huge strides in off-man coverage this past season, closing the cushion on receivers and playing far tighter on their breaks. Willing hitter in the run game. Doesnt turn back consistently to play the ball but does a really good job fighting for it (21 career passes defensed including 4 INTs). Doesnt allow many completions (44.6% completion rate and a passer rating of 67.9 this past season). Will get a little grabby at times and draw flags on deeper routes if beaten but didnt allow many completions longer than 20 yards and only gave up 1 TD all year. Has almost zero experience playing anywhere other than RCB so unlikely to be able to come straight in and play over the slot receiver. Hasnt had to play a lot of zone. Allows way too much cushion when backed off or using the bail technique. Can be a sloppy tackler - missed 9 this season - and has been guilty of some bad whiffs when not breaking down properly. Doesnt attack blockers. Will go a lot higher than most people seem to think as hes one of the few top corners in this draft with good size as well as speed. Still developing and has a very high upside but will need some technique work to reach his potential. Ranks in my top 15 overall
I heard McAdoo talk about how they worked him on the whiteboard and how he could quickly diagnose plays and make the correct reads based on what the offense dictated and communicate it properly..
You dont get that sitting in your computer chair watching drafbreakdown and youtube..
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
So a tape of the game... errr "game tape" youtube or not,,,
Something some random posted on Youtube off of the TV
At first. Then I thought about it and 3rd cb is a big need in a passing league. The guy obviously has all the intangibles, to be a great cb. Speed,size, good tackler. He is grabby and needs technique work but, who didn't in this draft. They obviously see alot in this kid. Now set our sights on RDS. 2-6. See if they can get a good 2nd wr, a olb and a RT. I'd like to see them get davis, but haven't heard any more rumors on it. Still alot of good players. Get it done
Is somewhere between Sanders and Revis in tools he should be 205 in a year or so he can break 4 seconds in the 40 now. If he lacks anything its strength but guess what this is a job for him full time now he is not even 21until August. Deion went early top five and Revis went top fifteen why is it impossible for him to become a very good NFL CB for years?
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
I'm sorry to all the Apple fans out here and I tried very hard to like the first pick JR made in this draft but with this pick it's just impossible for me to like it. Not with the the number 1 guy in the draft available who happens to play the position of our number one need.
This pick is so bad it may end up being good for NYG as it might finally seal the exit of JR from this team. I just hope big Mac had nothing to do with this pick or we are really in for a sad season!
Enough with the goody two shoes picks! Lets concentrate on getting some mean men on the team for a change! It's amazing this team can earn any wins with JR at the helm!
Is somewhere between Sanders and Revis in tools he should be 205 in a year or so he can break 4 seconds in the 40 now. If he lacks anything its strength but guess what this is a job for him full time now he is not even 21until August. Deion went early top five and Revis went top fifteen why is it impossible for him to become a very good NFL CB for years?
Why? Because his style is habitual holding and PI. Teams just have to throw deep near him and they can march down the field on penalties. It will be so bad he will be benched and will not see much playing time.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
I would have tried to trade down to get Lawson, Decker or Treadwell but I think the kid can play. Sy56 really liked him in his CB draft preview, which gives me comfort, and even said he was a guy that he felt sure Reese would like and could see picking.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Anyone else think that the Bears were going to take Lawson?
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Right, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB.
OT is the most critical need, but a 3rd corner is HARDLY a luxury.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
Even 2007 - that team was decimated by injuries at CB the entire season, 2011, same - every year, there is a Sam Madison or Aaron Ross or Terrell Thomas or Prince Amukamura losing half a season or more to injury.
Use yer' noodle. You think the Giants aren't aware of how important it was to get a quality OL in Rd 1?
What were they supposed to do, trade up and lose other high value picks?
Fuck that. To me, it's pretty clear the Giants made as good a pick as possible at that spot. They could have traded down - they clearly didn't believe it was worth it. Given Giants history on 1st rd picks, they get the benefit of the doubt.
The diaper soiling on this board is something else. Same as when they picked Beckham.
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but I'm not disappointed with Apple but with the front offices seeming ineptitude. you have two teams trade up to take out top two choices and then stand pat and don't make a move down. The team has a lot of needs and if they missed on Apple, I think they would have gotten a good value/need pick lower and added another pick. I wonder if Denver was the offer they didn't like?
the lack of quality depth at CB was exposed last year with DRC and Prince each missing playing time. Apple should be a good addition to the DBs and eventual starter
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
What education do you have that will show where I said we don't have needs at RT or LB? When will you let me know why 3 teams before us passed on Tunsil too?
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB.
OT is the most critical need, but a 3rd corner is HARDLY a luxury.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
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You can make a case for every position on this roster as a depth need. As of this moment, if they lose Flowers they don't have a tackle for either side. If Beckham goes down, they don't have a receiver (unless Cruz really returns). They don't have safety on the roster who has proven then can cover anybody. The linebackers are borderline atrocious and nothing proven is backing up anybody on the DL. So getting Apple, great, do a cartwheel as I've yet to see anybody knock the player yet drafting him #10, can't blame some from knocking it.
Oh by the way, i know the flip/flopping media experts talk about the need for three CB's yet besides the few like Seattle and New England, who has three stud corner backs? It's a luxury to have to many and only a necessity if one goes down. Last i checked a pass rush makes DB's look better and even the best defensive backfields can't stop an offense on the final drive of a game unless the front seven get to the quarterback.
So many holes and no depth anywhere on this roster yet it's alarming when there aren't even starters in some positions.
The NY Giants invest the time, effort and resources for an entire year preparing for this. It's not as if Apple going in Round 1 was a surprise to anyone. He just went a little earlier than expected. The Giants value triangle numbers and his are superior to Hargreaves so maybe we shouldn't be surprised at all in hindsight that if they were going CB at #10, which was always a strong possibility, it could be Apple or William Jackson III.
Now we get to see our 2016 1st Rounder in blue. Go Giants!
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What education do you have that will show where I said we don't have needs at RT or LB? When will you let me know why 3 teams before us passed on Tunsil too?
When you claim to know what others are thinking it's called guesswork. I wasn't not thinking beyond 2016 as you claimed. You mentioned Tennesee and the Ravens passing on Tunsil yet they did take offensive linemen. They had a choice. This wasn't a case of the Giants passing on Tunsil with Conklin or Stanley on the board.
Apparently it's a problem to a few here to not love Apple #10. Comically, none of you said more than a peep about the player until after he was drafted.
Apple carried the grade at #10. If there's no clearly better choice available, I'm not sure how you can criticize the pick.
Thee Floyd drama is 100% speculative. You can just as easily claim that the Giants leaked Floyd intentionally to push another good player down as you can that Reese got played. You simply don't know and there's no way that you can know. Same with Conklin. It's cool to think about, but it's just noise.
to be an expert based on YouTube clips. I would have been fine with just about every player since the Giants know more than I do about these players.
And those 3 teams still passed on Tunsil. They took guys that were all graded lower by the same people that anti-Apple people site when saying we shouldn't have taken him this early.
And between Tunsils missed games and baggage there's plenty of reason why we and others didn't take the risk.
to know what others are thinking. Did uconn have a ouija board class?
Last i checked teams moved around the Giants for players and those questioning this piayer at #10 goes beyond BBI. I bet he will be good but don't like at #10. As far as Tunsil, it's not like he fell too far beyond the Giants.
Is you anal take on not accepting when others express their opinion of not liking the selection at #10.
You can dislike the pick all you want. I'm allowed to disagree with you and atleast stated actual facts when discussing. You then make jokes about my education because you disagree with me, congrats, hope you feel better about yourself.
Enjoy your day, not worth my time arguing anymore.
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Is you anal take on not accepting when others express their opinion of not liking the selection at #10.
You can dislike the pick all you want. I'm allowed to disagree with you and atleast stated actual facts when discussing. You then make jokes about my education because you disagree with me, congrats, hope you feel better about yourself.
Enjoy your day, not worth my time arguing anymore.
You can disagree all you want yet your debate is comically biased and you apparently are intelligent enough to see it. There is so much wrong with your post was your original take and then claim you know what I'm thinking. Great job. Now you claim you're stating facts which are nothing more than your opinion. All b/c I like the player yet not at #10. Pathetic
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Yes, it is hard to understand. While all the talk was Hargreaves, as it turned out, many teams had Apple as the top CB. This is one of those times when you can question not taking someone like Tunsil, for example, but we didn't get a shabby player. We got a CB who many think can be great.
That people can complain on the "value" of this pick. We don't know the value of this pick until 3 or 4 years down the road. Because mock drafts had him going later? Who cares what people who have no say think. The people saying we should have traded down...blah blah blah. It takes two to tango. There weren't any players left teams were hot after and likely werent many offers. If someone offers a 5 to move up a few spots its really not worth it.
CB is one of the most important(and expensive) positions in the league to fill. Lets not forget everyone remembers Von Miller in the SB but a MAJOR reason the Broncos defense was that good was the fact they had the three stud corners. Now we have that as well. Just crazy to me that all of you experts "hate the value" "we should have traded down" "not worth the 10 pick" when ,literally you have no clue. Its based off of mock drafts and youtube clips. In a few years we can revisit this discussion. All i know is we draft OBJ way too early too... I for one love the idea of taking a potential star qb at 10
That people can complain on the "value" of this pick. We don't know the value of this pick until 3 or 4 years down the road. Because mock drafts had him going later? Who cares what people who have no say think. The people saying we should have traded down...blah blah blah. It takes two to tango. There weren't any players left teams were hot after and likely werent many offers. If someone offers a 5 to move up a few spots its really not worth it.
CB is one of the most important(and expensive) positions in the league to fill. Lets not forget everyone remembers Von Miller in the SB but a MAJOR reason the Broncos defense was that good was the fact they had the three stud corners. Now we have that as well. Just crazy to me that all of you experts "hate the value" "we should have traded down" "not worth the 10 pick" when ,literally you have no clue. Its based off of mock drafts and youtube clips. In a few years we can revisit this discussion. All I know is we drafted OBJ way too early too... I for one love the idea of taking a potential star cb at 10
Agree with everything you typed. I scratched my head because it was not the pick I thought. But I'm not arrogant enough to be upset over where we drafted this guy yet. And the more I see/read of him, the more excited I am for the pick. I will root like hell for this kid to be a successful Giant.
Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
You really think you're in the majority here?
Apparently you confuse majority with minority if you believe the majority were doing cartwheels when Apple went at #10. Funny Monday morning QB act you have there. Hide in the weeds prior to the pick and come out screaming afterwards.
I'm sorry to all the Apple fans out here and I tried very hard to like the first pick JR made in this draft but with this pick it's just impossible for me to like it. Not with the the number 1 guy in the draft available who happens to play the position of our number one need.
This pick is so bad it may end up being good for NYG as it might finally seal the exit of JR from this team. I just hope big Mac had nothing to do with this pick or we are really in for a sad season!
Enough with the goody two shoes picks! Lets concentrate on getting some mean men on the team for a change! It's amazing this team can earn any wins with JR at the helm!
Please make a fist and punch yourself in the face. Thanks -BBi
Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
You really think you're in the majority here?
Apparently you confuse majority with minority if you believe the majority were doing cartwheels when Apple went at #10. Funny Monday morning QB act you have there. Hide in the weeds prior to the pick and come out screaming afterwards.
Lets review who likes the pick:
Media, Insiders on BBI, Draft Analysts, BBI posters with a clue.
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
Tunsil is a mess man... More stuff keeps coming out about this guy. He is worse than Will Hill... He is going to get Ole Miss on major infractions. He was already suspended for taking money from an agent. You want Josh Gordon also? He may one day play in the NFL. Haven't we learned yet you can't take someone who has this major of a risk at 10. Apple is clean off the field. You wanted to risk it all for a guy that keeps making huge mistakes right before the biggest pay day of his life! The kid is a mess... wake up! So if you are smart and don't risk taking Tunsil who was worth taking over Apple? Tunsil? You realize your shortsightedness when Eli Apple is not only our 3rd CB, but starting when someone gets hurt and starting next year for the next 10-15 years.. Kid is only 20!
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB.
OT is the most critical need, but a 3rd corner is HARDLY a luxury.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
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You can make a case for every position on this roster as a depth need. As of this moment, if they lose Flowers they don't have a tackle for either side. If Beckham goes down, they don't have a receiver (unless Cruz really returns). They don't have safety on the roster who has proven then can cover anybody. The linebackers are borderline atrocious and nothing proven is backing up anybody on the DL. So getting Apple, great, do a cartwheel as I've yet to see anybody knock the player yet drafting him #10, can't blame some from knocking it.
Oh by the way, i know the flip/flopping media experts talk about the need for three CB's yet besides the few like Seattle and New England, who has three stud corner backs? It's a luxury to have to many and only a necessity if one goes down. Last i checked a pass rush makes DB's look better and even the best defensive backfields can't stop an offense on the final drive of a game unless the front seven get to the quarterback.
So many holes and no depth anywhere on this roster yet it's alarming when there aren't even starters in some positions.
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
The videos of his coverage make it hard for me to like the pick
he is so hands on and grabby that he looks like a penalty machine. Once he shows that he can keep his hands off the receiver I will warm to the pick.
He is grabby... that is probably his only major flaw. He is only a RS SO though with a ton of room to fix that. You watch him and his has great hips to go with his size and speed. He is going to be very good and may progress into elite. If he was coming out next year he is a top 5 pick because he probably cleans up a lot of the grabbiness. You look at his 44% completion against with only 1 TD and you see what you need in a lock down CB... Someone who is always near his guy. He grabs to much, but you have to be close to grab someone. I would have went Shaq Lawson assuming his shoulder was 100% and I probably would have taken Hargreaves over Apple, but I don't think this is some reach and I think it is a MAJOR need.... MAJOR!
A lot easier to get a starting RT in the later rounds than to get a starting CB.
I am becoming more and mor comfortable with this pick
There are guys I wanted more who were all gone. There are other guys I would have been interested in who went later, but I don't think any of them were without warts.
The one thing that really worries me is his technique leading to a lot of holding or PI calls.
Also, Tunsil had some concerns other than the pot incident
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
I didn't mention Apple because I wanted Conklin, Jack, or Shaq Lawson. That doesn't make him a bad player OR make him a player that isn't deserving of the 10th pick. Before stuff coming out on Tunsil I would have loved him and laughed that no way he would make it to 10. Now though that everything is coming out I think that Miami really messed up. This kid is a mess. You look at Robert Nkemdiche for example. He was more talented than Tunsil with a ton less issues, but you aren't crying we didn't draft him. That is because we aren't scouts. We don't have all the information and we didn't know everything about Tunsil like other teams do. So when you see a player projected by people that don't know ALL his issues fall to 10 you think WOW take him, but then when you find out shouldn't you be like oh man thank goodness we didn't take him? Guess you are a little slow to catch up that Tunsil is a mess and was beyond risky to take.
Francesa just said he called 3 teams he "is close to" this morning
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
oh and without looking... Who was Tom Brady's starting OL last year if they were so strong? You have no freaking clue so don't act like you know what makes a team good because you don't.
including one Marcus Cannon who I hoped the Giants drafted years ago. Can't wait for your 2nd act of "agree with me or be insulted" like your twin troll.
CBS Boston believes Patriots OT Marcus Cannon will be cut this offseason.
Cannon was forced into action after LT Nate Solder was lost to a torn bicep four games into the season. He failed miserably on the left side, and a switch to right tackle in December did not do much to help. Cannon was demolished by Von Miller in the Championship Game loss. Set to count $4.754 million against the cap, the Patriots will likely look for cheaper and better depth at tackle. Jan 30 - 11:21 AM
Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse... Your boss must love you!
OMG, You're a nut job. Another psychotic meltdown at #40 if everybody doesn't agreed with you? As far as Cannon, he went in a tackle when Soldier went down. Somehow reality you view as an excuse? You're nuts
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Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse... Your boss must love you!
OMG, You're a nut job. Another psychotic meltdown at #40 if everybody doesn't agreed with you? As far as Cannon, he went in a tackle when Soldier went down. Somehow reality you view as an excuse? You're nuts
You sure I am the one with the psychotic meltdown because the extremely way more informed Giants didn't take Tunsil who you weally weally wanted :-( sad face... Apple isn't worth pick 10 :-( sad face... We should have taken a mess of a player beyond huge risk :-( sad face
Hahaha I can't wait until you don't like the next pick either. I would be more scared if you do like him. please tell me your top 5 likely to be there players you don't want at pick 40!
Thankfully for me... you aren't right and don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy the next couple of picks!
Psycho - my opinion is i favored others at #10. Your meltdown over my opinion is the only fact. Do everybody a favor and take your meds before #40 so whomever has an option different from yours doesn't have to deal with your psychotic following. You didn't say a peep about Apple until after the fact so save your bs acumen for your pretend friends at the nuthouse
Thankfully for me... you aren't right and don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy the next couple of picks!
Psycho - my opinion is i favored others at #10. Your meltdown over my opinion is the only fact. Do everybody a favor and take your meds before #40 so whomever has an option different from yours doesn't have to deal with your psychotic following. You didn't say a peep about Apple until after the fact so save your bs acumen for your pretend friends at the nuthouse
Ohhh someone is mad... sorry to inform you that you're a moron! I didn't have Apple and never said i did. I am not so fucking stupid like you to throw a hissy fit like a 4 year old little boy that had his candy taken away. Grow up dumbass and realize that you don't know anything about football which is why the Giants took a player you haven't paid attention too. Go look at people that are experts that say how great Apple is... enjoy your ignorance!
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
The fuck are you talking about now? What did I say last year?
Does everyone know that Apple's 40 time at the combine
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
LOL..Oh No! a young adult smoked pot, I have never heard of that before..Will he have any "Potential" now?
Holy shit, I am not enamored with Tunsil but what a ridiculous take on a situation. I liked Karl Joseph the Safety out of WV which would have filled an huge hole for us and I feel Hargreaves is the better prospect.
What is truly funny though is the fact you don't have one post in the months leading up to this draft where you even mention Apple, the same guy you now are crowing about as such a great pick as if they really nailed this one. In addition this claim that "most" had Apple as a top 20, could you provide something to verify that? Most had him as a 1st rounder, but the later stages of the 1st.
Look I understand the draft took some weird turns and as par for the course we were somewhat rigid in adapting to it, but don't sit here crowing about a player now that you never once gave a second thought to prior to the draft. I hope the kid does great, he seems like a very stable good young man with great character and a very supportive family but spare us the absurd arguments you keep putting out justifying it
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
LOL..Oh No! a young adult smoked pot, I have never heard of that before..Will he have any "Potential" now?
Holy shit, I am not enamored with Tunsil but what a ridiculous take on a situation. I liked Karl Joseph the Safety out of WV which would have filled an huge hole for us and I feel Hargreaves is the better prospect.
What is truly funny though is the fact you don't have one post in the months leading up to this draft where you even mention Apple, the same guy you now are crowing about as such a great pick as if they really nailed this one. In addition this claim that "most" had Apple as a top 20, could you provide something to verify that? Most had him as a 1st rounder, but the later stages of the 1st.
Look I understand the draft took some weird turns and as par for the course we were somewhat rigid in adapting to it, but don't sit here crowing about a player now that you never once gave a second thought to prior to the draft. I hope the kid does great, he seems like a very stable good young man with great character and a very supportive family but spare us the absurd arguments you keep putting out justifying it
I never said i would have taken Apple. I have said i like Shaq Lawson, Hargreaves, and Jack. I would have taken Jack personally, but guess what I don't have his medicals. Like you I dont have 99% of the information the Giants have on these guys. They see pratices, games, game tape, talk to HS coaches, college coaches, etc. They know so much more than we will ever know! The difference is I am not some fuckwad like you that thinks I know more than the Giants because you watched for fucking Youtube videos and looked at a few mock drafts. You don't know shit, but that is ok I don't either because we don't have all the information available. We as fans can only read about prospects, watch games, and watch highlights. To have people that say he was high on their board and wouldn't have made it past 15 is nothing to you... why because YOU, the uneducated fuck, thinks so. Grow the fuck up and realize you arent that important in the world of football and admit as a fan you fucking don't know shit.
What a fucking disaster.
Then...huh?
I don't often question drafts but this is about as bad of a pick as I could have imagined the Giants making.
Absolutely putrid.
At least it's not FLoyd.
Fits a need. Not a huge impact player.
But the Giants defense is now much, much better than last year.
The guy is more grabby than a drunken Senator at a Sorority kegger.
What a fucking disaster.
I just cracked my TV screen!!
We addressed a need.
That's all I got.
Can't believe they passed on Tunsil.
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I would've taken Tunsil, but after Will Hill I don't blame Reese.
Apple could end up the best CB in this draft. It's probably a couple picks high, but he should be an instant contributor. Not what I would have done, but I'll take it.
Fits a need. Not a huge impact player.
But the Giants defense is now much, much better than last year.
Not a slot corner. Could replace DRC. Fortunately Reese should be gone by then
You gotta use your fucking brains there.
We don't need potential at 10. We need an instant contributor. We suck. We need great players. Not safe picks.
...he's also a major fucking reach.
Jerry Reese sits still while TN and Chi jump in front of him.
Ugh
This. He looks like a good ball player, but not the 10th pick in the draft. Someone must have wanted to trade up to 10, right?
I'm sorry he's a decent player with a lot of tools but on production it's a massive reach.
No way to say that for certain
Hargreaves doesn't have Apples potential as a #1 corner.
Could have traded down into the twenties and taken Apple. Totally unnecessary to take him at #10. Reese panicked. But no, he and his scouts continue to think theyre smarter than everyone else, despite years of lousy drafts.
He and Ross should be fired. And where is Mara to allow this?
We had a great chance to trade down and get extra picks.
And there goes Hargreaves. Everyone is laughing at us.
Greg - Why so down on Floyd? Undersized for the NFL?
It doesn't matter if Apple becomes an above average starter later. It's too early for him. If you like him this much, trade down a little.
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They could have traded down to 15-20 and taken Apple there...horrible pick
Reach doesn't know how to trade down!!
This. He looks like a good ball player, but not the 10th pick in the draft. Someone must have wanted to trade up to 10, right?
Could have traded down into the twenties and taken Apple. Totally unnecessary to take him at #10. Reese panicked. But no, he and his scouts continue to think theyre smarter than everyone else, despite years of lousy drafts.
He and Ross should be fired. And where is Mara to allow this?
We had a great chance to trade down and get extra picks.
And there goes Hargreaves. Everyone is laughing at us.
Deep breaths - it would appear that both Sy and Dave Te's scouting profiles before the draft don't agree with your analysis.
Third year sophomore entry. Former top tier high school recruit started 27 of 28 games for the Buckeyes. Apple has the tools and has shown enough performance to make coaches believe he can be a top tier cover corner in the NFL. The height and length in combination with his loose hips and quick feet make him a threat against any kind of wide receiver. He showed the ability to make plays on the ball and has the aggression to consistently get involved in the action. Apple needs to clean up certain man coverage technique issues in addition to more understanding of pre-snap reads. Teams will take a gamble on his upside but all signs point towards him being a very productive corner in time.
*Apple is an under the radar guy when it comes to who NYG will be taking at #10 overall. I think Reese and company will like him a lot, enough to warrant that pick. Apple has more upside than any of the CBs in this class and I dont consider him far off from Hargreaves at all. He has more size and speed with very easy lower body movement. Apple is more physical than you would think initially, too. This guy can get up at the point of attack and really alter guys with the confidence that he can catch up if initially beat. He needs technique work, however. He gets flagged a lot and got away with even more in the games I scouted. His hands are all over the receiver and Im not sure he trusts his technique enough to rely on his lower half completely. Again, really high upside here but may not be an early contributor.
Upside Pro Comparison: Vontae Davis/IND
Need to have a trade partner too! Doesn't appear that they did.
...for Eli Apple at 10?
Very fucked up.
Reese will certainly say that he had a top 5 grade.
A little high? He's been mocked to Pittsburgh (25) for weeks...what a panic reach by one of the worst GM's in the league...
- Jack's knee is jacked
LOL he already goes into the program?
Modus... this team had a bigger need on the O-line. There was a guy sitting there who could have fit that need. We passed.
He may develop, but Tunsil was gift wrapped.
Unless someone wants to trade up.
Jints got abused byTenneee and Chicago when both moved up to take our guys. It's embarrassing.
Apple may be a good pick but it should have been Tunsil. It was a gift. Christ for what Apple's worth, if we were gonna waste the pick why not grab Jaylon Smith?
Sy said same thing.
He's not really a slot CB, but I suppose that DRC will need spelling.
It's a poor pick at 10. I'm normally a Reese defender but there must have been someone they could have traded back with.
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2 ELI APPLE 61/199 OHIO STATE: 84
Third year sophomore entry. Former top tier high school recruit started 27 of 28 games for the Buckeyes. Apple has the tools and has shown enough performance to make coaches believe he can be a top tier cover corner in the NFL. The height and length in combination with his loose hips and quick feet make him a threat against any kind of wide receiver. He showed the ability to make plays on the ball and has the aggression to consistently get involved in the action. Apple needs to clean up certain man coverage technique issues in addition to more understanding of pre-snap reads. Teams will take a gamble on his upside but all signs point towards him being a very productive corner in time.
*Apple is an under the radar guy when it comes to who NYG will be taking at #10 overall. I think Reese and company will like him a lot, enough to warrant that pick. Apple has more upside than any of the CBs in this class and I dont consider him far off from Hargreaves at all. He has more size and speed with very easy lower body movement. Apple is more physical than you would think initially, too. This guy can get up at the point of attack and really alter guys with the confidence that he can catch up if initially beat. He needs technique work, however. He gets flagged a lot and got away with even more in the games I scouted. His hands are all over the receiver and Im not sure he trusts his technique enough to rely on his lower half completely. Again, really high upside here but may not be an early contributor.
Upside Pro Comparison: Vontae Davis/IND
That and the general hatred shown her makes me very excited about the pick.
hilariously bad for reese and his crew that we have all these leaks. Glad this will be Reese's last year
Yes, that's his biggest weakness.
As for trading down, it doesn't look like anyone wanted to come up or they might have.
Greg - Why so down on Floyd? Undersized for the NFL?
Because when I watch the tapes people have been posting on him, I just don't see him making a lot of plays. A lot of third guy in the pile tackles, no big hits, no INTs, and not all that much pressure for a guy who is supposed to be an elite pass rusher.
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
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That he could have been called for even more penalties, that the college refs missed. Said he has to clean that up, otherwise has all the tools.
Sy said same thing.
https://twitter.com/TheClemReport/status/725858359723872257 - ( New Window )
Really, his best highlight shows him holding everywhere.
Jesus # 10 pickup overall and we took THE APPLE.
He struggled in college at times, and with his game is not suited for the NFL. What a reach for a pick this high.
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That he could have been called for even more penalties, that the college refs missed. Said he has to clean that up, otherwise has all the tools.
Sy said same thing.
Do guys really clean that sort of thing up? I don't think they do, they get beat and panicking, just like a QB who tries to change their throwing motion or footwork as soon as the pressure's on they revert to type.
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
Tunsil for the taking and .....phffft!
I'd bet the Mara's are the problem. There's a ton of them with an ownership stake and they want to know what's going on with the draft and blab to their friends in the media. The problem certainly pre-dates Reese. Remember Shockey - there were billboards outside telling the world we wanted him. The Titans held us up for a 3rd round pick to move up just one spot. It was hilarious.
something is not right with this organization
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That he could have been called for even more penalties, that the college refs missed. Said he has to clean that up, otherwise has all the tools.
Yes, that's his biggest weakness.
and his lack of reps and youth.
Got some bad luck with injuries with Wilson, KP, and Nicks, but all of the picks did flash NFL potential.
And you can say trade down, trade down, you could have gotten Apple at 20? Well, you need a trade partner in order to do that.
The problem is we have now spent a ton of money/investments in 3 CBs, and we are going to show the door to our best defensive back from our team after this year. So even if Apple is a good player, it doesnt improve the team that drastically.
We still are on path to starting Tye, Jerry, Newhouse, and some WR who hasnt played in 2 years.
Reese: 'we thought [Apple] was a better player [than Hargreaves]' #giants
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago
Reese said there was offer to move down. Wasn't good enough #giants
James Kratch @JamesKratch 3m3 minutes ago East Rutherford, NJ
Reese: You don't get disappointed with players getting picked ahead of you. You stay with your board. #Giants
James Kratch @JamesKratch 6m6 minutes ago East Rutherford, NJ
Jerry says the price "was too high" to trade up. #Giants
This is my #1 problem - they sure as hell looked like amateurs tonight. And that's not a knock on Apple - he might be a very good player, and if he's a great player then obviously this all goes away. But it sure as hell looks like they were after Floyd and made it too obvious, got played, then stood pat and took the next guy on their board instead of collecting another pick and trying for someone else.
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
He's not going to come out and say we're a bunch of clueless chumps who fucking shat a brick and panicked. Are they. I don't claim to be an expert on Eli Apple but in every video I've seen he's literally tackling receivers mid route.
Good bye Jerry!
Myles Jack better be REALLY f*cked up!
...Rankins.
But, oh no... Eli Apple at 10
Reese: 'we thought [Apple] was a better player [than Hargreaves]' #giants
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago
Reese said there was offer to move down. Wasn't good enough #giants
James Kratch @JamesKratch 3m3 minutes ago East Rutherford, NJ
Reese: You don't get disappointed with players getting picked ahead of you. You stay with your board. #Giants
James Kratch @JamesKratch 6m6 minutes ago East Rutherford, NJ
Jerry says the price "was too high" to trade up. #Giants
Jerry Reese & Chris Mara need to go... like tomorrow
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
He didnt like it because the other team wouldnt give him their whole draft.
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
Sounds like they were looking for a 3rd I'm hearing but was only get 4th round offers.
I don't mind Apple because I was no Hargreaves fan myself. I don't think he has the measurables like a Ramsey and Apple.
Trade down with what other team?
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Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 5m5 minutes ago
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
He didnt like it because the other team wouldnt give him their whole draft.
He didn't like because he couldn't understand what trading down meant,
Thank fucking god for that. Let Floyd jump on piles and drag tackle for someone else
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I love the definitive statements about how bad a pick it was. How the hell do any of you guys know this? None of us do.
The problem is we have now spent a ton of money/investments in 3 CBs, and we are going to show the door to our best defensive back from our team after this year. So even if Apple is a good player, it doesnt improve the team that drastically.
We still are on path to starting Tye, Jerry, Newhouse, and some WR who hasnt played in 2 years.
If something's going on with DRC and we're not going to have him after next year, it made it even more prudent to draft a CB.
I don't know if Apple is going to be a good pick or not but if he was the highest guy on their board "without issues", then we'll see if they're right. Reese has a pretty good track record in the 1st rd so I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt before I go off the deep end.
Our GM got finessed out of his jock.
THen, again, he couldn't afford any draft picks to trade up because of the thin roster he's assembled.
May not be 10 years, but he will have a great career.
Must suck to be a giants fan today #shutout #embarrassing
8:25 PM - 16 Dec 2012
https://twitter.com/EliApple13/statu...83701714980864
It does suck to be a Giants fan today.
That pick was made by someone who knew how to draft.
I'm sorry. This is who I thought of right away. Both first rounders. Do we have to wait until January for Reese to go?
Had heard persistently that Apple would have been Miami's pick at 13 if no trade for Elliott and Elliott gone by that pick
His college coach said that video wasn't recent. We don't really know...but I think we whiffed on a great opportunity
Riddick liked Apple much more
Can't say I'm happy, but Sy and Dave-Te had very good write ups on Apple.
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
If they were not going to pick Tunsil or Jack, then I don't know who they could've targeted with a downward move.
Out of a chance to draft Conklin, then the Bears leap-frog the Giants to snag Flood, then Jerry doesn't take a receiver - this sucks !
Eli Apple is a mid to lower 1st round pick, (at best) not top ten ! (with Hargreaves watching)
Only thing that we can hope for now is that Reese can redeem himself and give the team a chance to go get Coleman or Doctson.
If not, this whole night is an unprecedented disaster.
NOTE...While Hargreaves III and Jackson III had success as pass thieves, their penchant for attacking the ball, rather than staying close on man coverage assignments resulted in a high amount of passes being completed vs. them. While Ramsey and Apple were not ball thieves, they were highly effective in containing the assignments to minimal gains, evident by their low average yields per pass completion/attempt.
Before an NFL General Manager Drafts a Cornerback in the First Round, They Might Want to Check Out These Numbers - ( New Window )
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Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 5m5 minutes ago
Reese on trading down: "We got a call. We didn't like it."
Sounds like they were looking for a 3rd I'm hearing but was only get 4th round offers.
I don't mind Apple because I was no Hargreaves fan myself. I don't think he has the measurables like a Ramsey and Apple.
Had heard persistently that Apple would have been Miami's pick at 13 if no trade for Elliott and Elliott gone by that pick
Oh good, that bastion of great drafting was going to take him. Well that's ok.
Think we set the world record when the entire universe watching the draft said "WHO" ...
followed by who the BLANK is Eli Apple.
Good thing the draft was in Chicago, because Radio City would have been a crap storm. How the @#*K could we have drafted an APPLE at TEN. AT TEN.
agreed
LOL!!
Reese has been bonging it for years!
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
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What I don't like.. that everyone knew we wanted Floyd and Conklin.
Good times...!
Reese has never picked a 1st rd player who could not play.
Apple is a 6-1 4.4 CB. There are not 5 of those in the NFL
I could see DRC playing FS some this year
And Reese signs off on it so you know Ross is safe.
Exactly, until the day he is fired/resigned Reese will always go measurables and a long frame that can be grown into. We called it months ago that they wouldn't pick Hargreaves because he wasn't tall enough.
He will be good this year and likely very good next year and better yet after that
Upside is a very abused term in football circles but this kid has tremendous upside
Jints fixed their dl in the offseason but really needed to upgrade their secondary and this pick really helps
Now the Jints need to draft a pass covering S along with a wr and ot with their next picks
The kid is not a top 10 pick, if the players you really
wanted were off the board, trade the fuck down!
JR doesn't trade down, not his MO as a GM.
I guess the good news is Apple can play the slot.
Well said. This place is nuts.
I keep reading trade down but it takes 2 to tango unless you wish the Giants to give up picks to move back...
Yes the draft didn't really fold Giants way...still you guys are forgetting the C.Jones draft nor is this the 97 draft.
It's a good solid pick.
If the thread about the Jerry quote is true, they basically had Tunsil (and Jack) at the top of their boards and didn't draft him because of weed.
It's a reach, he's a 3 year player who can't currently cover without grabbing. He might turn out to be an all time great, I hope he does, but he's almost certainly not going to do so this season.
He's as raw as raw can be, and we picked him at 10.
Someone tell me the player that teams were clamoring to trade up for. There were none.
It takes 2 Teams Why can't people understand this
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Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
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If he went back to OSU, probably top corner in the 2017 draft?
Eli Apple 2015 Targets - ( New Window )
A 3rd corner will play as much as any other starter in this league.
The disconcerting part is that everyone and their mother knew they liked Floyd. It feels like Accorsi is running the show again.
I forgot which GM said it, but when the Tunsil stuff came out, he said it wasn't a surprise to them.
Given how high Floyd was on their board- I don't understand why they didn't trade up for him (I would not have but if you have him that high...)
The grade on treadwell was too low to take him- Jack wasn't on the board..... Not sure what people thought the Giants should do there. Reese wanted more to trade down- instead he followed his board. I had t realized Apple jumped hardgreaves until the Bears jumped us and it was clear Floyd was out.
Hoping we get a wr in round 2.
So this is a guy you should expect to add at least another 5-8 pounds of muscle.
If you forget about where he was drafted and just focus on the player himself, he is a good guy to have.
Ran a 4.40 at the combine and 4.34 in a workout for teams.
Lilly White Giants wear frickin dresses when it comes to drafting any player who might have any controversary about him. Tunsil should have been the pick without any hesitation.
WTF!
The good thing about this, is I'm almost certain that we can say that this is Reese's last draft as Giants' GM.
He has spit-the-bit before (David Wilson). He did it again tonight!
Let's see how Mara spins this one!!
BTW, I hate Dallas so much! Ezekiel is going to kill us. He is going to bring back nightmares of Emmitt Smith!
Think we set the world record when the entire universe watching the draft said "WHO" ...
followed by who the BLANK is Eli Apple.
Good thing the draft was in Chicago, because Radio City would have been a crap storm. How the @#*K could we have drafted an APPLE at TEN. AT TEN.
April 7tth I predicted he would be picked by the Giants. If you don't understand me don't Bash me lol. This is very Very good for the Giants which is why i predicted it
Lee, ok
Tunsel,ok
Hardgraves, ok
I have a feeling that Chris Mara is a BIG problem.. but Jerry, ur done dude
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You are flat out wrong. Just flat out wrong and talking out your a$$. You draft ability over readiness. There are players to be drafted in the 20's that will start but are maxed out. They took Flowers who was raw as raw could be at 9. They took JPP who played 11 Div 1 A games at 15.
Again go read Sy'56.
Given how high Floyd was on their board- I don't understand why they didn't trade up for him (I would not have but if you have him that high...)
The grade on treadwell was too low to take him- Jack wasn't on the board..... Not sure what people thought the Giants should do there. Reese wanted more to trade down- instead he followed his board. I had t realized Apple jumped hardgreaves until the Bears jumped us and it was clear Floyd was out.
Hoping we get a wr in round 2.
If they had Floyd rated that highly, then they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves how little operational security they practice and how everyone in the free world has known for weeks now that the Giants were after him.
This is a very talented athletic corner
Jints are lucky to get him
Wait until you actually see this guy play before getting down on him
Apple is a baller
You will see
I think JR showed some real balls in taking Apple over Hargreaves wh
O is a little more polished right now
Apple will likely be more productive long term
Corner is such an important position in the pass happy NFL and Apple will be a good one
Reese has never picked a 1st rd player who could not play.
Apple is a 6-1 4.4 CB. There are not 5 of those in the NFL
I could see DRC playing FS some this year
David Wilson!?!
You're doing too much analyzing. The Giant organization is just too Lilly White. They are scared off by poorly researched rumors and hyperbole!
If he went back to OSU, probably top corner in the 2017 draft? Eli Apple 2015 Targets - ( New Window )
My point of view on his technique...
1. yes he is grabbing too much. His feet are not getting him into the right position so he is making up for it with his hands.
2. not using his hands effectively when the ball is snapped within the first 5 yards.
3. No ball awareness. That ball is going past his ear hole and he does not even know it.
4. Tackling is his strength. A good thing but not enough to justify a #10 pick.
5. Something that nobody is mentioning is his height. He is 6'1". We needed a taller corner. We have had too many short guys and this is now a league where we have some BIG WRs.
I would have preferred Conklin....but he was off the board.
How do you know those teams wanted our pick?
...just took the wind out of my sails.
I'm going to bed.
Good night all.
A coach asked him if he was gay in the combine.
That's grand. But PFF cited that Apple's back is always to the QB. He will make few picks and is not a sure tackler. That's worth a #10 for Reese, no?
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
More Reese bullshit. There is no chance he was their best player at that point, clean or not. Just another instance where this fucking guy and his FO think they're outsmarting the rest of the league....and in the event Apple was indeed the top player, then we have to question what exactly the fuck these guys have been looking at since January...
Athletically he's top 10 talent. We have 2 great corners ahead of him. He doesn't need to counted on right away. Just wish they could have traded down a bit to get another pick.
NOTE...Ramsey's ability as a run stuffer is why teams are strongly considering him for safety chores. Apple was also highly effective in shutting down the outside running game. For Jackson III, he was sort of the "Where's Waldo" when it came to run support. He did not make his first tackle in run support until the seventh game on the 2016 schedule and three of his five tackles vs. ball carriers did not come until the final two appearances on Houston's 14-game schedule. For Hargreaves III, he had two tackles vs. the run in the season opener that included a 30-yard gain on one carry by New Mexico State, but made just two more stops vs. the run in his final ten contests.
NOTE...Eli Apple and Jalen Ramsey kept the opponent to a minimum when it came to first down success, but the gambling coverage style by both Hargreaves III and Jackson III led to a high amount of big plays vs. them. Hargreaves III allowed seven receptions vs. Mississippi, 106 yards and a touchdown vs. LSU and then was torched for another big score vs. Michigan. Jackson III allowed at least four receptions in seven of his thirteen appearances that included just a cameo show vs. Navy. In his last four starting assignments, he was charged with 22 receptions for 252 yards. He did set a school record by deflecting seven passes vs. Temple, but it was obvious that opposing quarterbacks felt that they could target his area often (93 targets).
Using our scoring statements for each category, Ohio State's Eli Apple has shown why this "flying under the radar" cornerback is starting to get so much attention from NFL teams as draft day approaches.
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2) Did they really have Apple graded higher than Hargreaves? Long term...maybe. Right now, it's just nuts. There were still potential impact players out there and we took a guy who would have been there at least 10 picks later.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
I highly doubt the leaks are coming from Jerry. More likely Tisch.
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I'll tell you why it's a bad pick. Because Reese has spit-the-bit before when teams traded in front of him to draft the player(s) he wanted.
Reese has panicked several times previously.
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Based on mock drafts. Who says the person doing the mock draft is a better talent evaluator than the Giants personnel department
Also for the love of God please stop telling me that our plans leaked and we got played. How do you know that the leaks were not intentionally planted to send out disinformation.
And while I'm at it STFU about trading down. How the fuck do you know there was a team willing to trade with the Giants
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Mara talks about loss of credibility. Well here you go. All the talk about about the importance of this draft and the need to step it up and this is how they play it?
Experts? There aren't any.
Reese has not missed in RD 1 but this pick is a reach no matter what happens.
Hate it.
What does being gay have to do with being raped?
2) Did they really have Apple graded higher than Hargreaves? Long term...maybe. Right now, it's just nuts. There were still potential impact players out there and we took a guy who would have been there at least 10 picks later.
Hargreaves has huge bust potential. 5'10" and slow. That usually does not cut it in NFL. Plus, Apple has a higher ceiling.
Lee, ok
Tunsel,ok
Hardgraves, ok
I have a feeling that Chris Mara is a BIG problem.. but Jerry, ur done dude
Rankings come from Ross, Ross joined in 07, drafts sucked after 07. Its always been Ross.
As GM has Reese hit on a CB in the draft other that Terrell Thomas?
Prince was good nothing more
Ross was decent nothing more
Hosley was terrible
Hopefully he turns out more like the other Elinon the team and less like the last first round fruit pick Kiwi
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
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pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
They never wanted Martin. This has been reported many times.
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 4m4 minutes ago
Jerry Reese: Apple 'the highest rated player on the board without issues.'
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 3m3 minutes ago
Reese: 'terrific young player ... And a need pick.'
More Reese bullshit. There is no chance he was their best player at that point, clean or not. Just another instance where this fucking guy and his FO think they're outsmarting the rest of the league....and in the event Apple was indeed the top player, then we have to question what exactly the fuck these guys have been looking at since January...
Absolutely SPOT ON COMMENTARY!!!!
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just didn't have much of a book on Tunsil because he was expected to be gone. So when they video came up they had no context - is he basically a good kid or not? If that's the case it's inexcusable. Picking 10th you should have a list of 10 guys you want, thoroughly check all 10 out and then pick the best one who's there when your turn comes. This controversy with Tunsil will likely be long forgotten by September. A college kid smoking dope shouldn't shock anyone.
You're doing too much analyzing. The Giant organization is just too Lilly White. They are scared off by poorly researched rumors and hyperbole!
Yeah, Reese & Ross are clearly Mayflower blue bloods. Get a clue!
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Apple has the physical ability to play away, technique wise he's a mile away, he's far far too grabby.
Apple is a very good young prospect at a premium position.
I trust yheJints brain trust in round 1 a lot more then anyone on this site.
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is prince amukamara all over again. Unreal
As GM has Reese hit on a CB in the draft other that Terrell Thomas?
Prince was good nothing more
Ross was decent nothing more
Hosley was terrible
Kenny Phillips seemed to be a good pick...no?
He might turn out to be a good player for us, but you want someone you can plug in and play out of a top 10 pick and he's just not that.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
FUCK u Rich... ur a dickhead.. it was a shit pick at 10.. Tunsel was the pic... Hope that this is the last draft for Jerry.. APPLE @ 10 ?????
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People who are convinced the Giants could have traded down and taken him later- Miami was going to take him at #13.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Apple has the physical ability to play away, technique wise he's a mile away, he's far far too grabby.
So you're saying he's a grab-apple?
Apple will be the 3rd corner, not a starter.
So tired of the apology squad
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
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pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Reminds me of the year the Bucs traded up to
grab Doug Martin, right in front of the
Giants who took Wilson.
That was late in the first round, it happened this year
with the Bears grabbing Floyd.
They never wanted Martin. This has been reported many times.
That was a spin by Reese. Of course they wanted Martin! Ask any insider who was around the Giants then!
On a top 10 pick? Yeah, unless you're looking to groom a QB, it kinda is.
Eli: "hey mom, here comes Deion Sanders. He plays kicker." I hate Eli
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
Apple will be the 3rd corner, not a starter.
3rd corners play a LOT now in today's NFL. The disasters that were Jayron Hosley and Turk McBride in 2015 show that. If Jack was healthy, someone/anyone would've chosen him already... he wouldn't have even been available at 10. You can't knock the Giants for doing the same thing everyone else is.
Passing up on Tunsil was colossally stupid.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
I didn't like the Flowers pick, either and I stand by that today.
I want to give Apple the benefit of the doubt and I hope he proves my observations wrong. Apple was not impressive. He was awful tackling. He was indecisive and looked uninterested. He did not pursue plays, was beat in coverage, and played off his man.
Eli Apple at 10... i am a zombie...
Need to hope for the rest of the draft to be solid.
I was thinking the same. It's clear Giants were not interested in investing a 3rd first-rounder on the OLine. Also for reasons that should be obvious to everyone here they had no interest in a LB who may never be what he was pre injury. Apple/Hargreaves reasonable people can disagree which is better. But I like picking the guy with better size who hits and whose biggest drawback is coachable technique issues.
I want to give Apple the benefit of the doubt and I hope he proves my observations wrong. Apple was not impressive. He was awful tackling. He was indecisive and looked uninterested. He did not pursue plays, was beat in coverage, and played off his man.
2014 ? You mean when he was a redshirt freshman? Against Alabama? He didn't dominate? And thats how you evaluate him?
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
Why? You guess why! It's certainly not because Reese was thinking about trading down!
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that has a weakness that needs to be coached out of the player, when Ereck Flowers was the pick last season.
He grabs too much. That's his problem. He doesn't have bone cancer, or a degenerative knee. He grabs too much. Kinda feel like that's a teachable thing.
I didn't like the Flowers pick, either and I stand by that today.
That's fine, it's up in the air. But the point is that's why you have position coaches. It's their job to transition him to the NFL. It's not like they drafted a player with cloven feet. You can refine a player's technique. The important stuff is already there. This isn't some small school flyer overdrafted. He's legitimately talented and has been the #2/#3 corner in this draft.
They needed to fix the OL first and foremost and I will be very surprised if they draft an OL before Saturday.
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
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tb took hargreaves theres a chance they take apple at 11
I was thinking the same. It's clear Giants were not interested in investing a 3rd first-rounder on the OLine. Also for reasons that should be obvious to everyone here they had no interest in a LB who may never be what he was pre injury. Apple/Hargreaves reasonable people can disagree which is better. But I like picking the guy with better size who hits and whose biggest drawback is coachable technique issues.
no I think it's clear that they want to keep Flowers at LT and saw Tunsil as a bad fit with all the baggage. They would have taken Conklin if the Titans didn't trade up.
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Now a whole lot
Probably setting himself up to draft the next Ramses barden coming up
Before the Rams trade up all the "experts" had him as the #1 pick.
Eric was right (joke or not - lol) this place must have exploded!
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
Gbn had him going 14 to the Raiders.
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Tough, tough call.
So we take Apple I guess in hindsight I shouldn't
be pissed . Will wait and see who turns out better
since Hagreaves went next .
I just didn't think/know Apple was a TOP TEN PICK.
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Plenty of draft left for a WR, can't say the same at CB. It's really not hard to see why we picked him. If mocks had Apple going in the 12-15 range no one would be mad at the pick.
Treadwell's not falling. He was expected to go in the 20's
This is a scout's selection.. Reese was actually pretty brave with this pick. I would have traded down for a receiver.. but they must have had a big grade on this guy. At that point the three guys available that fit were Karl Joseph, Josh Doctson, and Vernon Hargreaves. Apple was squarely in that tier of talent.
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
On ESPN the film that they showed had Apple with his hands all over the receivers, and not turning back to look for the ball.
I think he's going to need a while to learn how to not draw flags.
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so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
Treadwell's not falling. He was expected to go in the 20's
I'm not talking about mocks, I'm talking to the people that wanted him over Apple.
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so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
Sucks for you, I suggest a hobby that isn't sports.
This is a scout's selection.. Reese was actually pretty brave with this pick. I would have traded down for a receiver.. but they must have had a big grade on this guy. At that point the three guys available that fit were Karl Joseph, Josh Doctson, and Vernon Hargreaves. Apple was squarely in that tier of talent.
Definitely agree RAIN!
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so those that wanted him at 10, what are your thoughts now?
I'd be feeling a lot better right now if we took Treadwell at 10 instead of Apple. I'd be able to sleep tonight. Now? I'll be up all night in disgust as if the NYG lost another Sunday Night Football game in Philadelphia....
I hope he drops into round 2 so the Giants can get him.
Yeah i don't get the response. He has a ton of talent and is super young. He could be a super star and people wanted a guy who got busted breaking NCAA rules, has some weird lawsuit against him, and smokes weed! You guys are crazy!
Held Fuller to 32 yards.
Where did you see the Brandt comments?
Wentz
Elliott
Apple
Docston
#1 QB
#1 RB
Some called Docston the best WR in the draft
......and Eli Apple
Well done
Unfortunately, he can't turn an omelette, so there is that.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
Wentz
Elliott
Apple
Docston
#1 QB
#1 RB
Some called Docston the best WR in the draft
......and Eli Apple
Well done
QB, pass catching RB, and a good WR... thank goodness we go CB!
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Said he completely shut down Will Fuller one on one. Says he can run with anyone
Held Fuller to 32 yards.
Where did you see the Brandt comments?
He's doing The NFL Radio show on XM. He's extremely sharp for his age. Amazing
I'd prefer Tunsil too, but I can understand their reasons. Apple has more upside than almost any other corner in the draft.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Yes. Agree
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Fortunately, JR relies on scouts and not fans...or McShay.
Apple might be a stud.
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I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
Exactly. It was just last week I read here that at 10, we shouldn't draft a guy with bad tape hoping he'd be a better producer as a pro than in college (Floyd). Well, that's exactly what we did.
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A cornerback sneezes on a WR and he's flagged. During the regular season your CB's better be sure-fire tacklers or have elite ball skills. Apple doesn't do either.
Now during the post-season when the refs swallow their whistles, CB's can do a little more and get away with more but even then, that helps the perceived 'lesser' CB's more then the Good ones.
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In comment 12930397 montanagiant said:
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
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I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
That is the thing... good CB already... potential to be the best CB that includes Ramsey! People are idiots acting like we took Keanu Neal!
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WR is a big need and he would have started opposite OBJ.
agree
Also agree. The ideal situation would have been to trade down into the twenties and take Treadwell. But even at #10 he would have been better than Apple.
Yeah but, there is good value in the 2nd round @ WR. There are also some good OL.
Passing on Tunsil .... tells me 1 thing. Flowers is the left tackle until he proves he can't play there on a consistent basis. The Giants know they can get a good OL in the next round ... to play the right side.
But Holy Crap .... can you imagine moving Flowers to the right and having Tunsil on the left. What a pair of bookends ... at least on paper.
But, I have no problem taking a DB in the first. Obviously they saw a lot they like in Apple. That is the problem with all these months of pre-draft discussion. The fans get caught up in their favorites after weeks and weeks of discussion .... "and then life happens."
i think you just committed us to 2 picks in the second round
What do you mean committed? ... just saying if the Giants want to go OL or WR in the 2nd round there is plenty of good talent. I wasn't guessing on where they go?
Did not expect Apple. I do not like this pick. kudos to whoever made that thread calling it a few weeks ago.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
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I knew as soon as Apple was picked that BBI would be in full meltdown mode...
I mean the pick was shocking to me sure, but I am smart enough to know that maybe 5 people on BBI actually can talk about Apple and actually KNOW what they are talking about... lol. Sy had him rated pretty high, I'm guessing higher than Floyd and there's been some really good stuff written about him. That's good enough for me. Welcom Eli Apple! Kick some ass for us! Thx in Advance!
That's the problem ... the draft in the end really becomes a popularity contest. Hargreaves Ramsey ... Hargreaves .. Ramey. That is all we heard for the last 2-3 months (Apple was a name we heard - but, not in the same conversation as the other 2) "Eli Apple - oh shit my head exploded".
Going DB was going in a very good direction. Now will Apple have a great career. They AIN'T A "mother 'effer" on this page that can look me straight in the eye and tell me "Yes or No" with any kind or honesty or accuracy. Hell, there might be a DB taken in the 3rd or 4th round this year who will end up in the HOF.
Ramsey is on his own tier. People were a lot higher on Hargreaves weeks ago. The heat for him cooled off a bit, but Apple isn't a nobody either. He's just flown under the radar tremendously.
Yes, I agree ... I think that is why some people seem to be in complete shock.
the over reaction is classic!! holy lol
I wanted Jack. I thought he was worth the risk. Jerry disagreed. I guess I could apply for the GM position with the Giants, but I'm not sure they would be overwhelmed by my resume.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
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We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
yes because he never performed in big games.
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Yeah actually he has played big in the biggest games!
[quote] as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more. [/quote
Name one? And by name one i mean name one that will not only be better, but be in the league of Revis one of the best cover CBs
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
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i am disgusted,,,truly...
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
What does tabling my ass entail exactly?
NTTAWWT
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Said he completely shut down Will Fuller one on one. Says he can run with anyone
Held Fuller to 32 yards.
Where did you see the Brandt comments?
He's doing The NFL Radio show on XM. He's extremely sharp for his age. Amazing
Thanks, I agree
Old guys, they know things
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i am disgusted,,,truly...
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
If you watched play by play a game where he won Defensive MVP and think he sucks maybe you shouldn't judge talent.
Wentz
Elliott
Apple
Docston
#1 QB
#1 RB
Some called Docston the best WR in the draft
......and Eli Apple
Well done
LOL, you know you exposed your dupe right?
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
What does tabling my ass entail exactly?
NTTAWWT
Mouthey fuck... would love the op to show u.
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
Ha..don't get your panties in an uproar because your rational is asinine (Biggest priority is a 3rd Db with potential, because..well...they pass in the league). Shit both safeties taken after him were better picks, but we need that 2 down player with the 10th pick as a 3rd DB instead because he has "potential". Take your nose out of Reese's ass and when "Old Grabby" gets flagged for PI covering a 3rd WR you can tell us all about his "potential".
You like the pick? Great, he may be real good 3 years from now because of potential. To me its an idiotic pick with 10th with such glaring needs like we have and the studs that were there for us to pick. Don't whine when it gets pointed out to once again later in the year
Mouthey fuck... would love the op to show u.
But you can't. Cause this is the interwebz and I can call you a fucking idiot as much as I'd like.
Lets be real, if you post a video complaining about a player when that player wins the MVP in that game, you need to stop watching football.
Curling Olympics is only two years away?
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We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
yes because he never performed in big games.
I never said that, I am pointing out the absurdity of using "potential" as the main point for drafting him with the 10th pick and giving the glaring needs we have. I understand that went over your head, and thus why I took the time to explain something as simple as that. You may follow along now.
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
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Drafting a player who may take you over the top.
We drafted 10th and had obvious needs to be addressed and players to fill those needs available, instead we have "potential". Its a horseshit argument given the state this team is in.
Are you kidding? CB is one of our biggest needs... name a CB outside of our top 2 which one is 31! He is a good player already however when using the word potential you are saying potential to be great rather than just good.
lol...yes a need, but you don't draft possible potential with the 10th pick, you draft a player whop can bring immediate impact. You draft potential LATER
You don't think he will be an immediate impact? Are you crazy... did you watch our pass defense last year? What happens if DCR goes down? You do realize how much we play 3 CBs right? He just made our pass Def much better and has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. He is a stud and a huge need. Go watch the Giants last year and say a good 3rd CB wouldn't have been a huge help not to mention who starts opposite of Jenkins in 2017? Eli Apple will be 21 then by the way!
Here we go with the potential again...You draft an impact player at 10, not a 3rd DB. We get it, he may be good, that is great for the 20th pick in the draft not the 10th. We get it, you like the kid who could have been drafted 10 picks later.
Can you read? He is a good player with the potential to be the best CB in the draft... you do know Ramsey is in this draft right? You don't watch football if you think a 3rd CB can't make a huge difference especially since he will be starting in 2017!
Oh shit!!! Ramsey is in the draft, lets draft potential..Stop with the absurd rational that you draft a 3rd CB (while ignoring all the other huge holes the team has) with the 10th fucking pick. Its a stupid argument, tell me he is going to replace DRC, tell me his is an immediate impact player we picked with the 3rd, JUST STOP trying to claim a 3rd DB who may have potential is a great pick at 10, while ignoring the O-line, LB, S, WR glaring holes this team has. He is a great pick at 20, he is not at 10
You are an idiot who can't read. What percentage do you think the Giants played at least 3 CBs? CB is a monster need... we were one of the worst pass defenses and blew lead after leading letting teams came back and best us. Huge need and huge impact for us. This isnt 1980 anymore man... look at how much people pass. Good CBs is one of the toughest positions to get... go take a nap and look at this again tomorrow with a clear head.
Ha..don't get your panties in an uproar because your rational is asinine (Biggest priority is a 3rd Db with potential, because..well...they pass in the league). Shit both safeties taken after him were better picks, but we need that 2 down player with the 10th pick as a 3rd DB instead because he has "potential". Take your nose out of Reese's ass and when "Old Grabby" gets flagged for PI covering a 3rd WR you can tell us all about his "potential".
You like the pick? Great, he may be real good 3 years from now because of potential. To me its an idiotic pick with 10th with such glaring needs like we have and the studs that were there for us to pick. Don't whine when it gets pointed out to once again later in the year
Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
0-3. Tunsil was straight up off the board. No interest in Decker. Apple is a higher impact player. And Lee is wildly overrated due to his 40 time.
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
Tunsil a guy smoking weed as your first pick at 10? Decker at best an ok OT, or Lee a very good LB but not that much more of a need imo.
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Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
I don't think potential means he may be bad. Apple is a good player, I just believe we had much better choices for more glaring needs at that point. I don't know why that is so hard to understand
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
Tunsil a guy smoking weed as your first pick at 10? Decker at best an ok OT, or Lee a very good LB but not that much more of a need imo.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
0-3. Tunsil was straight up off the board. No interest in Decker. Apple is a higher impact player. And Lee is wildly overrated due to his 40 time.
Well, you're undefeated in the asshole department again so stfu.
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
0-3. Tunsil was straight up off the board. No interest in Decker. Apple is a higher impact player. And Lee is wildly overrated due to his 40 time.
Again, u know it all Jon... Love how ur a post event evaluate.. what a douche u are!
evaluation...little man
What does that mean?
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He won the defensive MVP of that game you fucking idiot.
Fuck you Jon - how was that,, i watched play by play.. You are a douche who have so many comments - would love to table ur ass..
Lol I want to know what that means also Jim. I had to google it. I think it means "make your butt bigger" .... it didn't say how though ... you know what? Forget it ... I don't want to know.
1 - Tunsil, draft's second best player, was available
2 - The 2 players most connected to Giants, Floyd & Conklin, were acquired through trade ups. Did that happen due to leaks?
With the exception of Tunsil, there wasn't 1 single player drafted after Apple in which I said, "Dammit, I wish the Giants drafted him instead". That's why Apple being picked at 10 isn't an issue for me. However, to pass on Tunsil, I would've needed access to something way more damning than a weed video.
The trick is to look at the team, the board, the contracts and pieces in place, the coaching staff, their philosophy and the philosophy of the organization moving forward.
Measurables, rankings, media Bullshit. It's all nonsense.
I'm erring on the side of the Giants FO gambling yet taking some of the things we might think are important, as less important during their evaluations. As experts and people intimately involved with this process and this particular high stakes decision.
It's done.
Now it's time to figure out how it fits. As a coach, that's the best part.
1 - Tunsil, draft's second best player, was available
2 - The 2 players most connected to Giants, Floyd & Conklin, were acquired through trade ups. Did that happen due to leaks?
With the exception of Tunsil, there wasn't 1 single player drafted after Apple in which I said, "Dammit, I wish the Giants drafted him instead". That's why Apple being picked at 10 isn't an issue for me. However, to pass on Tunsil, I would've needed access to something way more damning than a weed video.
That video hurt him ... dam. I still would have taken him.
Like someone else said previously ... this draft for me will always be about Apple vs. Tunsil. The other fan favorites were not even in the mix when we picked ... couldn't believe Tunsil was still there.
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Again... he is already good... potential to be great. You think potential means he may suck but has potential to be good. I think this confuses you. Also when he is a major help for our crappy Def please remember to point out your early reaction of the fact that a 3rd CB is not important and wasnt a major hole. Who would have been better?
I don't think potential means he may be bad. Apple is a good player, I just believe we had much better choices for more glaring needs at that point. I don't know why that is so hard to understand
Again... who are these amazing players that are better and at more important positions?
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as i see it b/c i think many others could have helped this team more.
This is one of the stupider posts I've seen on here, but go on, which players would help more, draft guru?
Tunsil, Decker or Lee. How is that snob?
Tunsil a guy smoking weed as your first pick at 10? Decker at best an ok OT, or Lee a very good LB but not that much more of a need imo.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
I'm not gonna lie, I liked Hargreaves III, Kendall Fuller (if healthy), William Jackson III and Mackensie Alexander all more than Apple. In fact, I wanted Hargreaves III at #10 as I still think he'll be a great CB so naturally, I was disappointed when we picked Apple.
Having said that, after doing a bit more digging and reading what JonC had to say a couple of months back, I'm warming up to the pick. Apple has tools that you can't teach. Technique, however, can be taught and one that is taught, Apple could end up as a fantastic starting cornerback.
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You dont get that sitting in your computer chair watching drafbreakdown and youtube..
Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
...and someone posted this image:
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Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
So a tape of the game... errr "game tape" youtube or not,,,
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Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Yeah that was the most idiotic aspect to the turn of events. Everyone knew what the first two picks were, and the Giants were right behind that.
This pick is so bad it may end up being good for NYG as it might finally seal the exit of JR from this team. I just hope big Mac had nothing to do with this pick or we are really in for a sad season!
Enough with the goody two shoes picks! Lets concentrate on getting some mean men on the team for a change! It's amazing this team can earn any wins with JR at the helm!
Why? Because his style is habitual holding and PI. Teams just have to throw deep near him and they can march down the field on penalties. It will be so bad he will be benched and will not see much playing time.
Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
That was my first thought too.
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Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Right, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
Even 2007 - that team was decimated by injuries at CB the entire season, 2011, same - every year, there is a Sam Madison or Aaron Ross or Terrell Thomas or Prince Amukamura losing half a season or more to injury.
Use yer' noodle. You think the Giants aren't aware of how important it was to get a quality OL in Rd 1?
What were they supposed to do, trade up and lose other high value picks?
Fuck that. To me, it's pretty clear the Giants made as good a pick as possible at that spot. They could have traded down - they clearly didn't believe it was worth it. Given Giants history on 1st rd picks, they get the benefit of the doubt.
The diaper soiling on this board is something else. Same as when they picked Beckham.
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Right, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
People like you really need to see a shrink. Agree with you 100% or you go into full meltdown mode. Name calling? Grow up you nut job.
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I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Right, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
People like you really need to see a shrink. Agree with you 100% or you go into full meltdown mode. Name calling? Grow up you nut job.
I'm in full guns blazing mode pew pew pew
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
What education do you have that will show where I said we don't have needs at RT or LB? When will you let me know why 3 teams before us passed on Tunsil too?
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB.
OT is the most critical need, but a 3rd corner is HARDLY a luxury.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
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You can make a case for every position on this roster as a depth need. As of this moment, if they lose Flowers they don't have a tackle for either side. If Beckham goes down, they don't have a receiver (unless Cruz really returns). They don't have safety on the roster who has proven then can cover anybody. The linebackers are borderline atrocious and nothing proven is backing up anybody on the DL. So getting Apple, great, do a cartwheel as I've yet to see anybody knock the player yet drafting him #10, can't blame some from knocking it.
Oh by the way, i know the flip/flopping media experts talk about the need for three CB's yet besides the few like Seattle and New England, who has three stud corner backs? It's a luxury to have to many and only a necessity if one goes down. Last i checked a pass rush makes DB's look better and even the best defensive backfields can't stop an offense on the final drive of a game unless the front seven get to the quarterback.
So many holes and no depth anywhere on this roster yet it's alarming when there aren't even starters in some positions.
Now we get to see our 2016 1st Rounder in blue. Go Giants!
I think there's a few more rounds in the draft, I could be wrong though.
What education do you have that will show where I said we don't have needs at RT or LB? When will you let me know why 3 teams before us passed on Tunsil too?
When you claim to know what others are thinking it's called guesswork. I wasn't not thinking beyond 2016 as you claimed. You mentioned Tennesee and the Ravens passing on Tunsil yet they did take offensive linemen. They had a choice. This wasn't a case of the Giants passing on Tunsil with Conklin or Stanley on the board.
Apparently it's a problem to a few here to not love Apple #10. Comically, none of you said more than a peep about the player until after he was drafted.
Thee Floyd drama is 100% speculative. You can just as easily claim that the Giants leaked Floyd intentionally to push another good player down as you can that Reese got played. You simply don't know and there's no way that you can know. Same with Conklin. It's cool to think about, but it's just noise.
I think there's a few more rounds in the draft, I could be wrong though.
Historically it's been a two round draft for this hierarchy. Unless you want to hang you diploma on Kuhn.
And those 3 teams still passed on Tunsil. They took guys that were all graded lower by the same people that anti-Apple people site when saying we shouldn't have taken him this early.
And between Tunsils missed games and baggage there's plenty of reason why we and others didn't take the risk.
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at RT, WR, S, CB, and LB all with 1 pick?
I think there's a few more rounds in the draft, I could be wrong though.
Historically it's been a two round draft for this hierarchy. Unless you want to hang you diploma on Kuhn.
Guess we should just sit the draft out then, no way things could ever improve right?
Jesus, do you just like finding every possible way to complain?
Last i checked teams moved around the Giants for players and those questioning this piayer at #10 goes beyond BBI. I bet he will be good but don't like at #10. As far as Tunsil, it's not like he fell too far beyond the Giants.
To summarize, in case your poor reading skills missed it, here are the facts I've stated.
CB is a need especially in a pass happy league and considering DRCs age.
Tunsil dropped past atleast 4 teams including us, all of whom are in the mix to upgrade at OT.
CBs flew off the board, there's a reason for that which I alluded to earlier but I'll make you work for it this time.
You can dislike the pick all you want. I'm allowed to disagree with you and atleast stated actual facts when discussing. You then make jokes about my education because you disagree with me, congrats, hope you feel better about yourself.
Enjoy your day, not worth my time arguing anymore.
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Is you anal take on not accepting when others express their opinion of not liking the selection at #10.
You can dislike the pick all you want. I'm allowed to disagree with you and atleast stated actual facts when discussing. You then make jokes about my education because you disagree with me, congrats, hope you feel better about yourself.
Enjoy your day, not worth my time arguing anymore.
You can disagree all you want yet your debate is comically biased and you apparently are intelligent enough to see it. There is so much wrong with your post was your original take and then claim you know what I'm thinking. Great job. Now you claim you're stating facts which are nothing more than your opinion. All b/c I like the player yet not at #10. Pathetic
Probably one that's delicious, but just not quite delicious enough to be taken at 10, more like 12 or 13 which is MUCH better value.
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
So much wrong with this post.
First, you are thinking of 2016 only. What about 2017 where replacing DRC is a legit possibility?
Second, Tunsil was passed on by atleast 3 teams (Chargers, Ravens, Titans) prior to us, are they stupid too?
Lastly, a third CB is a necessity, not a luxury. The Redskins just drafted Doctson and could have a triple threat at WR + Reed, the Eagles will be pass happy, and Dallas could be a high powered offense as well where their run game will leave our CB's in single coverage a lot.
Its really not hard to see why we picked him.
Really not impressed with the Uconn education. Do they just drink beer and get a degree for guesswork?
- any first Round pick is thinking beyond year one.
- the Ravens and Titans got offensive linemen
- so a staring RT or LB is not a necessity?
I like Apple yet not at #10. It's not too difficult to understand why
Honeycrisp.
CB is one of the most important(and expensive) positions in the league to fill. Lets not forget everyone remembers Von Miller in the SB but a MAJOR reason the Broncos defense was that good was the fact they had the three stud corners. Now we have that as well. Just crazy to me that all of you experts "hate the value" "we should have traded down" "not worth the 10 pick" when ,literally you have no clue. Its based off of mock drafts and youtube clips. In a few years we can revisit this discussion. All i know is we draft OBJ way too early too... I for one love the idea of taking a potential star qb at 10
Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
Jonagold
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Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
You really think you're in the majority here?
CB is one of the most important(and expensive) positions in the league to fill. Lets not forget everyone remembers Von Miller in the SB but a MAJOR reason the Broncos defense was that good was the fact they had the three stud corners. Now we have that as well. Just crazy to me that all of you experts "hate the value" "we should have traded down" "not worth the 10 pick" when ,literally you have no clue. Its based off of mock drafts and youtube clips. In a few years we can revisit this discussion. All I know is we drafted OBJ way too early too... I for one love the idea of taking a potential star cb at 10
Agree with everything you typed. I scratched my head because it was not the pick I thought. But I'm not arrogant enough to be upset over where we drafted this guy yet. And the more I see/read of him, the more excited I am for the pick. I will root like hell for this kid to be a successful Giant.
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what kind of Apple would you be?
Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
You really think you're in the majority here?
Apparently you confuse majority with minority if you believe the majority were doing cartwheels when Apple went at #10. Funny Monday morning QB act you have there. Hide in the weeds prior to the pick and come out screaming afterwards.
This pick is so bad it may end up being good for NYG as it might finally seal the exit of JR from this team. I just hope big Mac had nothing to do with this pick or we are really in for a sad season!
Enough with the goody two shoes picks! Lets concentrate on getting some mean men on the team for a change! It's amazing this team can earn any wins with JR at the helm!
Please make a fist and punch yourself in the face. Thanks -BBi
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what kind of Apple would you be?
Better be the type Apples the loud minority like or be labeled wrong.
Macintosh
You really think you're in the majority here?
Apparently you confuse majority with minority if you believe the majority were doing cartwheels when Apple went at #10. Funny Monday morning QB act you have there. Hide in the weeds prior to the pick and come out screaming afterwards.
Lets review who likes the pick:
Media, Insiders on BBI, Draft Analysts, BBI posters with a clue.
Who doesn't like the pick:
You and your merry band of assclowns.
Yeah, I'd say you're in the minority.
Lets review who Questioned the pick at #10
Media, Insiders on BBI, Draft Analysts, BBI posters with a clue.
Who has a meltdown?
You and your merry band of assclowns incapable of discussion without insults and F-bombs.
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Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
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Oh please, just stop already. Linebacker isn't much more of a need? RT isn't much more of a need? The team already has two staring CB's and no RT or any solid linebackers. Oh, and if you think Tunsil is the only guy smoking crap you're delusional.
LB more of a need than a 3rd CB? Hell no it isnt! We only play 2 LBs most of the game if that! Tunsil is a moron, look at all the crap surrounding this guy! Watch the video that is him and not years ago. You can't take a chance on that and even then he isnt a RT. The problem is you and montanagiant are stuck in the 80s and 90s... this is a passing league meaning that 3rd CB is more important than 3rd LB by far!
Lol - good lord.
So explain why the Bears jumped in front of the Giants. Are they living in the 80's? Obviously Tunsil would have been the LT with Flowers moving to RT.
A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB. As far as LB, wake up, the Bears took who the Giants obviously wanted. I questioned Floyd and didn't see much on the highlights to celebrate.
I think Apple will be good but 10th? He better be great b/c this feels like Ike Hillard today.
Tunsil is a mess man... More stuff keeps coming out about this guy. He is worse than Will Hill... He is going to get Ole Miss on major infractions. He was already suspended for taking money from an agent. You want Josh Gordon also? He may one day play in the NFL. Haven't we learned yet you can't take someone who has this major of a risk at 10. Apple is clean off the field. You wanted to risk it all for a guy that keeps making huge mistakes right before the biggest pay day of his life! The kid is a mess... wake up! So if you are smart and don't risk taking Tunsil who was worth taking over Apple? Tunsil? You realize your shortsightedness when Eli Apple is not only our 3rd CB, but starting when someone gets hurt and starting next year for the next 10-15 years.. Kid is only 20!
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A 3rd CB is luxury and good for us but you're livng on the moon if you believe a 3rd CB is more important than a starting RT when the franchise of every NFL is the QB.
OT is the most critical need, but a 3rd corner is HARDLY a luxury.
You don't only need 3 CB's for 3 WR sets, you NEED the depth at what is arguably THE SINGLE MOST INJURED POSITION on the entire team.
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You can make a case for every position on this roster as a depth need. As of this moment, if they lose Flowers they don't have a tackle for either side. If Beckham goes down, they don't have a receiver (unless Cruz really returns). They don't have safety on the roster who has proven then can cover anybody. The linebackers are borderline atrocious and nothing proven is backing up anybody on the DL. So getting Apple, great, do a cartwheel as I've yet to see anybody knock the player yet drafting him #10, can't blame some from knocking it.
Oh by the way, i know the flip/flopping media experts talk about the need for three CB's yet besides the few like Seattle and New England, who has three stud corner backs? It's a luxury to have to many and only a necessity if one goes down. Last i checked a pass rush makes DB's look better and even the best defensive backfields can't stop an offense on the final drive of a game unless the front seven get to the quarterback.
So many holes and no depth anywhere on this roster yet it's alarming when there aren't even starters in some positions.
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
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Honeycrisp.
That is a good choice... I think most here are Granny though as they seem a little sour... Oh snap!
He is grabby... that is probably his only major flaw. He is only a RS SO though with a ton of room to fix that. You watch him and his has great hips to go with his size and speed. He is going to be very good and may progress into elite. If he was coming out next year he is a top 5 pick because he probably cleans up a lot of the grabbiness. You look at his 44% completion against with only 1 TD and you see what you need in a lock down CB... Someone who is always near his guy. He grabs to much, but you have to be close to grab someone. I would have went Shaq Lawson assuming his shoulder was 100% and I probably would have taken Hargreaves over Apple, but I don't think this is some reach and I think it is a MAJOR need.... MAJOR!
A lot easier to get a starting RT in the later rounds than to get a starting CB.
The one thing that really worries me is his technique leading to a lot of holding or PI calls.
Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
Then those who say the Giants have 2 starting CB, so why take him- many of whom a few days and weeks ago were KILLING the Giants for not getting quality DBs- they draft one- and then turn around and complain.
People also might want to note that the Giants have NOTHING after their starters- literally street level FA types. Given the injury history of DRC, they needed a guy who has the talent to play right away.
Normally, I would say that this kind of stupidity surprises me- but everyone has a computer these days.
Yup.
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Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
I didn't mention Apple because I wanted Conklin, Jack, or Shaq Lawson. That doesn't make him a bad player OR make him a player that isn't deserving of the 10th pick. Before stuff coming out on Tunsil I would have loved him and laughed that no way he would make it to 10. Now though that everything is coming out I think that Miami really messed up. This kid is a mess. You look at Robert Nkemdiche for example. He was more talented than Tunsil with a ton less issues, but you aren't crying we didn't draft him. That is because we aren't scouts. We don't have all the information and we didn't know everything about Tunsil like other teams do. So when you see a player projected by people that don't know ALL his issues fall to 10 you think WOW take him, but then when you find out shouldn't you be like oh man thank goodness we didn't take him? Guess you are a little slow to catch up that Tunsil is a mess and was beyond risky to take.
Again, I like the pick.
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Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
oh and without looking... Who was Tom Brady's starting OL last year if they were so strong? You have no freaking clue so don't act like you know what makes a team good because you don't.
Cannon was forced into action after LT Nate Solder was lost to a torn bicep four games into the season. He failed miserably on the left side, and a switch to right tackle in December did not do much to help. Cannon was demolished by Von Miller in the Championship Game loss. Set to count $4.754 million against the cap, the Patriots will likely look for cheaper and better depth at tackle. Jan 30 - 11:21 AM
Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse... Your boss must love you!
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Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse... Your boss must love you!
OMG, You're a nut job. Another psychotic meltdown at #40 if everybody doesn't agreed with you? As far as Cannon, he went in a tackle when Soldier went down. Somehow reality you view as an excuse? You're nuts
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Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse... Your boss must love you!
OMG, You're a nut job. Another psychotic meltdown at #40 if everybody doesn't agreed with you? As far as Cannon, he went in a tackle when Soldier went down. Somehow reality you view as an excuse? You're nuts
You sure I am the one with the psychotic meltdown because the extremely way more informed Giants didn't take Tunsil who you weally weally wanted :-( sad face... Apple isn't worth pick 10 :-( sad face... We should have taken a mess of a player beyond huge risk :-( sad face
Hahaha I can't wait until you don't like the next pick either. I would be more scared if you do like him. please tell me your top 5 likely to be there players you don't want at pick 40!
Thankfully for me... you aren't right and don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy the next couple of picks!
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Thankfully for me... you aren't right and don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy the next couple of picks!
Psycho - my opinion is i favored others at #10. Your meltdown over my opinion is the only fact. Do everybody a favor and take your meds before #40 so whomever has an option different from yours doesn't have to deal with your psychotic following. You didn't say a peep about Apple until after the fact so save your bs acumen for your pretend friends at the nuthouse
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Thankfully for me... you aren't right and don't know what you are talking about. Enjoy the next couple of picks!
Psycho - my opinion is i favored others at #10. Your meltdown over my opinion is the only fact. Do everybody a favor and take your meds before #40 so whomever has an option different from yours doesn't have to deal with your psychotic following. You didn't say a peep about Apple until after the fact so save your bs acumen for your pretend friends at the nuthouse
Ohhh someone is mad... sorry to inform you that you're a moron! I didn't have Apple and never said i did. I am not so fucking stupid like you to throw a hissy fit like a 4 year old little boy that had his candy taken away. Grow up dumbass and realize that you don't know anything about football which is why the Giants took a player you haven't paid attention too. Go look at people that are experts that say how great Apple is... enjoy your ignorance!
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Outside of New England and Seattle... You mean 2 of the best teams in the league? They think it is important obviously, but you don't? Well I guess Belichek is the idiot and not you. Oh and who starts next year at CB next to Jenkins? Oh right you can only see right this second which is why you don't see the issues that Tunsil will bring.
Denver and Carolina played for the Super Bowl so the Pats and Hawks are not the best two teams in the league. Not to mention, both the Pats and Hawks have very strong offensive and defensive lines. You and your twin troll in this thread really need help. Meltdown mode b/c many share their opinion by questioning the pick at #10 is pathetic. Neither of you clowns touted or even mentioned Apple until after it happened and now tout from a Monday Morning QB position lol.
Jon pulled the same crap last year. Lie in the woods and then come out screaming. Act two comes after #40 for you two.
The fuck are you talking about now? What did I say last year?
People are just too upset that the mock drafts of all of the pundits did not have him in their top ten.
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Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
LOL..Oh No! a young adult smoked pot, I have never heard of that before..Will he have any "Potential" now?
Holy shit, I am not enamored with Tunsil but what a ridiculous take on a situation. I liked Karl Joseph the Safety out of WV which would have filled an huge hole for us and I feel Hargreaves is the better prospect.
What is truly funny though is the fact you don't have one post in the months leading up to this draft where you even mention Apple, the same guy you now are crowing about as such a great pick as if they really nailed this one. In addition this claim that "most" had Apple as a top 20, could you provide something to verify that? Most had him as a 1st rounder, but the later stages of the 1st.
Look I understand the draft took some weird turns and as par for the course we were somewhat rigid in adapting to it, but don't sit here crowing about a player now that you never once gave a second thought to prior to the draft. I hope the kid does great, he seems like a very stable good young man with great character and a very supportive family but spare us the absurd arguments you keep putting out justifying it
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Game tape? Bro you dont have game tape you have YouTube! You thought he played bad in a game he was defensive MVP on a team that will have at least 7 Defensive starters drafted this year alone!
Can you show me one post of yours prior to the draft, that had you touting Apple as one of the better picks at 10? Just one post with you claiming this should be our pick?
You keep claiming how this was the only way to go so you must have something to show you felt this way prior to the draft.
Never once have I said this should have been the pick. I like Shaq Lawson, but imagine the people exploding now. Serious question and I will ask it again and you will probably ignore it... Who was worth the pick IF Apple wasn't? Hargreaves they didn't like as much. Tunsil is a freaking mess, and Jack was passed on by all teams because of his knee... So who is worth the 10th pick while you saying Apple isn't? Apple is not some 3rd rounder that we reached for. He was projected by most to be top 20. Most had him going to Raiders at 14... That is freaking 4 picks after the 10th pick. So who is worth the pick that Apple wasn't... Tell me your OPINION.
Oh and please you are the one with his panties in a bunch. Crying about not getting the guy you want... probably the pot head, lawsuit, twitter mess, NCAA infraction violating Tunsil right?
LOL..Oh No! a young adult smoked pot, I have never heard of that before..Will he have any "Potential" now?
Holy shit, I am not enamored with Tunsil but what a ridiculous take on a situation. I liked Karl Joseph the Safety out of WV which would have filled an huge hole for us and I feel Hargreaves is the better prospect.
What is truly funny though is the fact you don't have one post in the months leading up to this draft where you even mention Apple, the same guy you now are crowing about as such a great pick as if they really nailed this one. In addition this claim that "most" had Apple as a top 20, could you provide something to verify that? Most had him as a 1st rounder, but the later stages of the 1st.
Look I understand the draft took some weird turns and as par for the course we were somewhat rigid in adapting to it, but don't sit here crowing about a player now that you never once gave a second thought to prior to the draft. I hope the kid does great, he seems like a very stable good young man with great character and a very supportive family but spare us the absurd arguments you keep putting out justifying it
I never said i would have taken Apple. I have said i like Shaq Lawson, Hargreaves, and Jack. I would have taken Jack personally, but guess what I don't have his medicals. Like you I dont have 99% of the information the Giants have on these guys. They see pratices, games, game tape, talk to HS coaches, college coaches, etc. They know so much more than we will ever know! The difference is I am not some fuckwad like you that thinks I know more than the Giants because you watched for fucking Youtube videos and looked at a few mock drafts. You don't know shit, but that is ok I don't either because we don't have all the information available. We as fans can only read about prospects, watch games, and watch highlights. To have people that say he was high on their board and wouldn't have made it past 15 is nothing to you... why because YOU, the uneducated fuck, thinks so. Grow the fuck up and realize you arent that important in the world of football and admit as a fan you fucking don't know shit.
And scene... you're welcome for the education