I think we have to make a move like we did for Landon Collins and walk away with Jack. We gave up a 4th, swapped 2nd's and the next year's 7th rounder.
I think we have to make a move like we did for Landon Collins and walk away with Jack. We gave up a 4th, swapped 2nd's and the next year's 7th rounder.
Myles Jack LB
Reggie Ragland LB
Noah Spence DE/LB
Cody Whitehair OG/OT
Jonathan Bullard DE
Michael Thomas WR
Hunter Henry TE
Sterling Shepard WR
Vonn Bell S
Emmanuel Ogbah DE
Su'a Cravens LB
Kevin Dodd DE
Kamale Correa DE/LB
Jason Spriggs OT
That's 14 names. High on the first ten for round 2; Jack through Ogbah.
Myles Jack is the wildcard obviously. Him and Jaylon Smith. We'll see where they go. If the Giants are comfortable with either one of them, they should roll the dice.
As for my list, here's my top 10 remaining players for the Football Giants (in order):
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
8) TE Hunter Henry of Arkansas
9) OG Cody Whitehair of Kansas State
10) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
one of those three would be nice if we dont get jack at 40.
unfortunately i think dallas goes jack at 40 smh gonna be horrible that dallas lands TWO top 5 talents in one draft all because they lost romo for the year...they have a good team now add elliot and jack not good
Jaylon Smith
Vonn Bell
Derrick Henry
Cody Whitehair
Noah Spence
Reggie Ragland
Hunter Henry
Andrew Billings
Sterling Sheppard
Jason Spriggs
A'Shawn Robinson
Su'a Cravens
Mackenzie Alexander
One of the draft pundits talked about Jarran Reed like he was the Second Coming. It was hilarious. I think A'Shawn Robinson is a better fit for the Giants than Reed and he's my #1 available player right now. I would love if he fell to 40 and if we took him even though DT isn't a need. #BPA
Spriggs--Cleveland possible, SD possible, Jags maybe...we pick 9 he doesnt have to fall far and with some of the big defenders still on board it wouldnt be crazy that being said i think we pass on a OT and go for a LBer, maybe jack(doubt it) or correa...spence?
how about a WR like Shep or thomas id be happy with that.
For what it's worth, A'Shawn Robinson is only 21 and doesn't turn
22 until next March (even though he looks like he's in his 40's). He would kind of fit the mold of taking younger players with high upside but not the best college production (see Flowers and Apple).
LB, WR, RT, FS our four biggest needs and through two rounds we didnt help ANY of it...not saying draft just for your biggest needs, but if a guy like robinson is closely graded to a need thats there you take the need IMO. for example if the giants have equal grades on robinson and spriggs you take spriggs he is a need over DT. i get DT may be a need due to lack of depth plus hankins potentially leaving in 2017 but its below RT in terms of need
LB, WR, RT, FS our four biggest needs and through two rounds we didnt help ANY of it...not saying draft just for your biggest needs, but if a guy like robinson is closely graded to a need thats there you take the need IMO. for example if the giants have equal grades on robinson and spriggs you take spriggs he is a need over DT. i get DT may be a need due to lack of depth plus hankins potentially leaving in 2017 but its below RT in terms of need
Fuck need. Take the best player available. But yes, if they have EQUAL grades on Spriggs and Robinson, then you take the need.
I don't see the fascination with Spriggs. He has nice feet but that's
about it. I don't think he's ready to play right away as he needs to get stronger and bigger and I definitely think he'll be limited to the left side only.
Spriggs--Cleveland possible, SD possible, Jags maybe...we pick 9 he doesnt have to fall far and with some of the big defenders still on board it wouldnt be crazy that being said i think we pass on a OT and go for a LBer, maybe jack(doubt it) or correa...spence?
how about a WR like Shep or thomas id be happy with that.
Considering Spriggs is not a RT in the NFL, I have no problem pouncing on a quality defender like Jack or Billings or a target for Eli like Shepard or Hunter Henry in Round 2 or 3 and then look at OL in Round 3 or 4 as there are a number of interesting mid-round G and T development guys
Hopefully that's Whitehair. Then I see Dodd's value being to much to ignore if Cody is gone. Then Henry makes too much sense to impact the blocking and receiving game. Reed has too much talent to be a 2nd rounder. Then a receiver (but their will be decent one in round 3).
1> Whitehair, OG/OT
2> Dodd, DE
3> Hunter Henry, TE
4> Reed, DT
5> Shepard, Thomas, or Miller WR
is i dont see how they can have a MUCH higher grade on guys like robinson and reed as opposed to guys like thomas, spriggs, jack even with risk, correa, spence, vonn bell etc...CB was a need pick, the value was okay. i think they could have slid back some for him regardless of what they say but who cares point is it was a need too and a position they value. so need is something the giants wont and shouldnt ignore hence the reason i think DL is a bad pick in round 2 or 3...we need to fill to holes. sorry but i believe we NEED to compete next season and that starts by filling some MAJOR holes. LBer is still a joke. right side of line can use improvement(maybe a davis trade) WR is still a position of need. FS is a position of concern. you could even argue for two LBers to be drafted this year
not a fan...to many pressing needs and we have two decent TEs....tye is a young guy and drafting henry that high is a luxury pick something we dont have...
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.
Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.
Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.
Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.
And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.
But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.
Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.
Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.
Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.
And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.
But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.
very exciting 2nd round.
If we get Jack then maybe I can live with Apple (maybe)
We do need another DE, WR, and OT with our next three picks. Problem is the DT's should have the best value. With Snacks, Hankins and Bromley we should be OK (since we dress only 3-4 each week). Have to go:
Dodd, Spence, O-bah, Shepard, Springs
Ragland - (did a late medical come up on him?) heart?
Jack is a longevity risk, but likely can have an impact immediately. I say go for it. Hunter Henry also is interesting. I know as fans, we like our undrafted overachieving TEs, but it might make sense to finally invest in the position.
I had him going to the Giants in round three of my mock draft, but he could come off the board in round two. I think the Colts met with him late in the draft process. He has has the length, and athleticism Reese craves. Round two would be another reach IMO, but I could see it happening.
we're gonna have a choice of really good players at 40
Your lips to Reese's ears. I would also consider Jack as well. But if it isnt Jack - it has to be an offensive weapon. Not really sold on Henry from Bama though.
One of the draft pundits talked about Jarran Reed like he was the Second Coming. It was hilarious. I think A'Shawn Robinson is a better fit for the Giants than Reed and he's my #1 available player right now. I would love if he fell to 40 and if we took him even though DT isn't a need. #BPA
Yes - Boylhart had Reed as his #1 player in the draft.
STRENGTHS Flat-running stud as a run blocker and a big part of Arkansas' running game success. Strikes into the frame of defenders with inside hands and blocks with a wide, strong base. Able to turn outside linebackers and cornerbacks out of their run fits and sustains his blocks as long as he can. Had no drops and 51 catches this season. Able to secure contested catches and eminent hits won't scare him away from the catch. Able to work all three levels as a go-to target. Too talented to be covered by most linebackers. Able to run a variety of routes and has no reason to leave the field.
WEAKNESSES Don't need much space for this section. Can get a little grabby as a run blocker and was penalized for three holding calls in 2015. Is a little upright into his breaks with rounded turns over sharp cuts. Is a little labored when adjusting his routes to traffic.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 1 or 2
NFL COMPARISON Jason Witten
as much as we have holes I could
see us taking Robinson . I think he would
be rated better than any WR's or OT left
Take Henry Hunter for the same reason .
Probably both gone before we pick .
At this point, I want Jordan and the rest of the beat writers to STFU about who the Giants like. I doubt Henry last 10 picks anyway as the clear cut best TE in the draft.
Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.
The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.
Tune in to see each of these get picked before our turn:
OT Jason Spriggs
WR Sterling Shepard
TE Hunter Henry
DE Emmanuel Ogbah
DT Jarran Reed
LB Reggie Ragland
OG Codey Whitehair
And likely off the Giants' board for one more round: LB Myles Jack
Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.
The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.
The Tight End. Find another running back after the draft is over...
Myles Jack is the wildcard obviously. Him and Jaylon Smith. We'll see where they go. If the Giants are comfortable with either one of them, they should roll the dice.
As for my list, here's my top 10 remaining players for the Football Giants (in order):
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
8) TE Hunter Henry of Arkansas
9) OG Cody Whitehair of Kansas State
10) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
This is a great list, although I disagree with the order (to the extent that I might actually flip the whole thing in reverse). The names are the right ones though, IMO.
TE Hunter Henry- best prospect since Gronk
RT Le'Raven Clark- Fluker type physical freak with better feet
WR Tyler Boyd- underrated by most, incredible hands
Su'a Cravens- instinctive get off, natural disruptor
DE Emanuel Ogbah- impressive production while garnering double teams
Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Alot of D line still available and would be happy with many,
Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Either would really help the D. We can get our 3rd WR in FA or the 3rd Rd. Still don't know what to do about RT, a trade with SF seems to make the most sense. Of course we could also just keep the Jerry/Newhouse/Hart trio again and hope they improve.
Either would really help the D. We can get our 3rd WR in FA or the 3rd Rd. Still don't know what to do about RT, a trade with SF seems to make the most sense. Of course we could also just keep the Jerry/Newhouse/Hart trio again and hope they improve.
I'd also look at Cravens. If we don't get Jack I'd definitely grab him in the 3rd if he's still there.
Hunter Henry would be a great addition, Spriggs would add some meat up front, but I think Noah Spence may end up being one of the big steals in this draft when all is said and done.
has stud written all over him. I'd love that choice
As a DE or DT? I like his quick first step, but he's another case of a player that you'd expect would have better numbers than he did.
I'd play him mainly in a rotation on the inside. He's so disruptive. He's more of a run stuffer that can get to the QB with consistency. That being said, you can move him to the outside on occasion as well. I think Spags would like him for his versatility on the line. Great work ethic too.
guy I'm really high on and wouldn't mind at 40 (albeit perhaps a bit of a reach) would be Nick Martin from Notre Dame. Plug this dude in at RG right away.
Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Because they are young and need to be given one year to prove otherwise. What should we do just bring in more safeties and cut a couple of guys that have not been given a valid shot at making the roster and proving they can stick and contribute. I am all for giving them another chance especially now our pass rush is going to be much improved from the past few seasons.
Major upside. He could be an All-Pro in a few years.
I am starting to warm up to Dodd. I am at a trade show down in Atlanta next to the Georgia dome. I spoke to a few Clemson fans who say Dodd is a tremendous player who rushes the passer and plays the run just as good. A few guys said he was just as good as Shaq and the reason being is Shaq couldn't stay healthy. They think he is a perfect DE in a 4-3, while Shaq was better suited as a standup in a 3-4.
Him Hank and Harrison would make a special DT rotation. Have enough talent on outside provided Odi stays healthy and talented corners. Hopefully, they could grab a safety and wr in next couple of rounds.
what's the consensus? Do we make the move for Jack? Man, talk about a fucking hope and a prayer if we did it.
We really don't know. It all depends on how the Giants view the medicals. None of us have access to that information so both Jack and Jaylon Smith are the ultimate wildcards. If the Giants are comfortable with their medicals, it would be a coup. If not, you have to pass for healthier players.
guy I'm really high on and wouldn't mind at 40 (albeit perhaps a bit of a reach) would be Nick Martin from Notre Dame. Plug this dude in at RG right away.
Hopefully he is still there.
Unless you want Newhouse starting at RT again.
Please stop with the drafting of a TE, with all the other needs they have. I don't think he is the second coming
of Mark Bavaro, their TE's are serviceable.
That's all the Giants really care about at that position.
In Round 3, I would like to see a WR.. They have signed
a couple of LB's, don't see them taking another one until
Day 3 at the earliest. That's where JR "finds" them.
Posted this on another thread... My top 10 right now...
1. LB Myles Jack (damn the injury just to good at this point)
2. DT Andrew Billings (Shocked he hasn't been drafted. This guy is a freak and just 20 years old. His upside is off the charts! At 311 lbs he had like a 35 inch vert!)
3. DE Emmanuel Ogbah (very under rated IMO. Still learning I think is why. I love his upside)
4. WR Sterling Sheppard (Ok I have called him a slot WR, but the more I watch him the more I like him. Very good kid also.)
5. DE Kevin Dodd (played on a talented Def and on the other side of Shaq Lawson, but played extremely well. has good size)
6. OT Le'Raven Clark (here is the thing... He is a LT IMO. Good feet and extremely long arms. He has amazing potential to be elite. That is saying something so I can't pass on him)
7. DE Noah Spence (Not sure on the fit, but I think he is very talented as a pass rusher. He has worked hard to stay clean and I don't think his history is as much of a risk as others)
8. FS Vonn Bell (won't happen... they won't draft him, but I like him a lot)
9. WR Tyler Boyd (amazing hands. Under rated because his last year they switched how they used him and his yards per catch went way down. Runs good routes and I think will be a solid #2 WR for years!)
10. DT/DE Jonathan Bullard (I think he is a pass rushing DT. I love his get off. He can play DE though also making him very flexible for a team that had only 2 good DEs and 2 good DTs... That puts his value way up for me.)
Players I really like even though they are probably 3rd rounders... LB Scooby Wright and WR Michael Thomas Southern Miss
Players that will be on most peoples top 10 A'shawn Robinson, Jarran Reed, Carl Nassib, and Reggie Ragland.. I like them all and would be happy with any of them.
Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Because they are young and need to be given one year to prove otherwise. What should we do just bring in more safeties and cut a couple of guys that have not been given a valid shot at making the roster and proving they can stick and contribute. I am all for giving them another chance especially now our pass rush is going to be much improved from the past few seasons.
I would agree, doesn't make sense to draft another safety
early in the draft. Since they have these guys here already,
have to show us what they have or don't for a year.
Are Myles Jack, Andrew Billings, and Von Bell. Let's continue to add to the defense in round 2. Add a G or WR in round 3 and swing a trade for Anthony Davis and this team is in great shape.
is a fringe 1st round pick. A much better prospect than anything we currently have at free safety. I understand the need to see what we have on the roster, but that doesn't mean you simply pass on Bell if he's the best player.
name that hasnt been mentioned is Chris Jones, the DT/DE from Mississippi State. He has the size and length that Reese craves. I wouldnt be surprised if hes the pick, but he could easily be taken before #40.
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The upside of having so many needs
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The upside of having so many needs
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
is a fringe 1st round pick. A much better prospect than anything we currently have at free safety. I understand the need to see what we have on the roster, but that doesn't mean you simply pass on Bell if he's the best player.
We need an OT but the talent really isn't there at 40. Should probably look for Coleman in the 3rd and go for Dodd, Ogbah, Spence, Reed, Robinson, Billings, etc.
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
The only way to know if OO and Bromley can play is to play them. He was a highly ranked prospect and a productive college player for a reason
Take care of the OL first. I have no problem improving the RB Corps, but the returns will be much better if we get an impactful run blocker on the right side.
Plenty of RBs in rounds 3 and 4 who can contribute
I have a random draft question that I don't want to start another...
Why do teams ever trade up 1 spot? If the team is willing to trade with you so that you can pick up player X aren't they not picking that player anyway? Or is it because they're like "I like player X, but would be willing to settle for player Y with another pick, but will go for player X without a trade". Or the third possibility I've thought of is that there are teams offering the team to trade and pick up player X and the team that trades down with you is using that as leverage or sees this particular trade as more aligned with their interests?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The upside of having so many needs
is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
The only way to know if OO and Bromley can play is to play them. He was a highly ranked prospect and a productive college player for a reason
I guess so... OO has been injure prone a lot throughout his career. To rely on him to me... no thank you. I feel like if a good DE comes to us at pick 40 we have to grab him. Same with Bromley although he has shown more. The talent in this draft at DT is higher than in most years. Most years you wouldn't have so many top guys still there. Pretty sure i would trade Bromley and OO straight up for any of this guys and wouldn't get a taker.
71 Braxton Miller
109 Deion Jones
I don't think they will. The strength of this draft is the 2nd round/3rd round imho.
Dodd is another guy I really like.
Wasn't the 7th used for Brad Wing?
Just pray Jerry is working on a trade with SF for OT Davis!
That would open up all sorts of possibilities in rounds 2-6.
Totally forgot about him. A very bad man
2. Jarran Reed, DT
3. Kevin Dodd, DE
4. Jonathan Bullard, DL
5. Javon Hargrave, DT
6. Leonte Caroo, WR
7. Sean Davis, DB
8. Braxton Miller, WR
9. Hunter Henry, TE
10. Sterling Shepherd, WR
Reggie Ragland LB
Noah Spence DE/LB
Cody Whitehair OG/OT
Jonathan Bullard DE
Michael Thomas WR
Hunter Henry TE
Sterling Shepard WR
Vonn Bell S
Emmanuel Ogbah DE
Su'a Cravens LB
Kevin Dodd DE
Kamale Correa DE/LB
Jason Spriggs OT
That's 14 names. High on the first ten for round 2; Jack through Ogbah.
Someone will have the guts to pull the tigger.
Let's be that team.
71 Braxton Miller
109 Deion Jones
40 Spriggs
71 Boyd/Carroo
Would make me a happy mother F'er....time to address the O
However, if Ogbah is there, he fits them to a T
You mean that guy that most of BBI hated
I'm with you. Take a page out of the Patriots' playbook.
As for my list, here's my top 10 remaining players for the Football Giants (in order):
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
8) TE Hunter Henry of Arkansas
9) OG Cody Whitehair of Kansas State
10) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
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40 Jason Spriggs
71 Braxton Miller
109 Deion Jones
40 Spriggs
71 Boyd/Carroo
Would make me a happy mother F'er....time to address the O
However, if Ogbah is there, he fits them to a T
I like Carroo as an alternate 4th rounder. If they go D in 3. Bring on Carroo.
FS Justin Simmons.
WR Pharoah Cooper.
These are a few of my favorite things...
We still have glaring need at WR and LB
Tennessee has 3 r2 picks.
wouldnt mind
deion jones
correa
sua cravens
one of those three would be nice if we dont get jack at 40.
unfortunately i think dallas goes jack at 40 smh gonna be horrible that dallas lands TWO top 5 talents in one draft all because they lost romo for the year...they have a good team now add elliot and jack not good
Vonn Bell
Derrick Henry
Cody Whitehair
Noah Spence
Reggie Ragland
Hunter Henry
Andrew Billings
Sterling Sheppard
Jason Spriggs
A'Shawn Robinson
Su'a Cravens
Mackenzie Alexander
how about a WR like Shep or thomas id be happy with that.
LB, WR, RT, FS our four biggest needs and through two rounds we didnt help ANY of it...not saying draft just for your biggest needs, but if a guy like robinson is closely graded to a need thats there you take the need IMO. for example if the giants have equal grades on robinson and spriggs you take spriggs he is a need over DT. i get DT may be a need due to lack of depth plus hankins potentially leaving in 2017 but its below RT in terms of need
LB, WR, RT, FS our four biggest needs and through two rounds we didnt help ANY of it...not saying draft just for your biggest needs, but if a guy like robinson is closely graded to a need thats there you take the need IMO. for example if the giants have equal grades on robinson and spriggs you take spriggs he is a need over DT. i get DT may be a need due to lack of depth plus hankins potentially leaving in 2017 but its below RT in terms of need
Fuck need. Take the best player available. But yes, if they have EQUAL grades on Spriggs and Robinson, then you take the need.
how about a WR like Shep or thomas id be happy with that.
Considering Spriggs is not a RT in the NFL, I have no problem pouncing on a quality defender like Jack or Billings or a target for Eli like Shepard or Hunter Henry in Round 2 or 3 and then look at OL in Round 3 or 4 as there are a number of interesting mid-round G and T development guys
1> Whitehair, OG/OT
2> Dodd, DE
3> Hunter Henry, TE
4> Reed, DT
5> Shepard, Thomas, or Miller WR
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.
Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.
Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.
Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.
And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.
But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.
Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.
Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.
Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.
And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.
But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.
very exciting 2nd round.
Dodd, Spence, O-bah, Shepard, Springs
Ragland - (did a late medical come up on him?) heart?
I had him going to the Giants in round three of my mock draft, but he could come off the board in round two. I think the Colts met with him late in the draft process. He has has the length, and athleticism Reese craves. Round two would be another reach IMO, but I could see it happening.
TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson
3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too
Noah Spense
7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones
WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board
LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board
Sheppherd
And Henry from Bama
Are the 3 I am keying on.
Offense round 2.
Sheppherd
And Henry from Bama
Are the 3 I am keying on.
Offense round 2.
Your lips to Reese's ears. I would also consider Jack as well. But if it isnt Jack - it has to be an offensive weapon. Not really sold on Henry from Bama though.
Yes - Boylhart had Reed as his #1 player in the draft.
So does hitdog on multiple threads...
STRENGTHS Flat-running stud as a run blocker and a big part of Arkansas' running game success. Strikes into the frame of defenders with inside hands and blocks with a wide, strong base. Able to turn outside linebackers and cornerbacks out of their run fits and sustains his blocks as long as he can. Had no drops and 51 catches this season. Able to secure contested catches and eminent hits won't scare him away from the catch. Able to work all three levels as a go-to target. Too talented to be covered by most linebackers. Able to run a variety of routes and has no reason to leave the field.
WEAKNESSES Don't need much space for this section. Can get a little grabby as a run blocker and was penalized for three holding calls in 2015. Is a little upright into his breaks with rounded turns over sharp cuts. Is a little labored when adjusting his routes to traffic.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 1 or 2
NFL COMPARISON Jason Witten
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So does hitdog on multiple threads...
Yup. Have to think he's their top guy, which I'm totally fine with.
Otherwise I like Shepard as a lot of others do and I'd be fine with a DL too if a guy like Ogbah or Dodd or Reed is there.
Not in love with the LBs or S there right now.
see us taking Robinson . I think he would
be rated better than any WR's or OT left
Take Henry Hunter for the same reason .
Probably both gone before we pick .
Bullard DE
Ogbah DE
Spriggs OT
Whitehair OT
TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson
3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too
Chris Ash just said on NFL radio that Von Bell was probably the best all around player on Ohio State last year.
Noah Spense
7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones
WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board
LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board
At this point, I want Jordan and the rest of the beat writers to STFU about who the Giants like. I doubt Henry last 10 picks anyway as the clear cut best TE in the draft.
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TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson
3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too
Chris Ash just said on NFL radio that Von Bell was probably the best all around player on Ohio State last year.
Noah Spense
7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones
WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board
LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board
Tittle, thanks a ton for this
The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.
+1. It's really unbelievable.
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+1. It's really unbelievable.
+2. Couldn't agree more.
You need to read more then.
OT Jason Spriggs
WR Sterling Shepard
TE Hunter Henry
DE Emmanuel Ogbah
DT Jarran Reed
LB Reggie Ragland
OG Codey Whitehair
And likely off the Giants' board for one more round: LB Myles Jack
holy fuck , thank you BB56. My thoughts exactly
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Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.
The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.
The Tight End. Find another running back after the draft is over...
As for my list, here's my top 10 remaining players for the Football Giants (in order):
1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
8) TE Hunter Henry of Arkansas
9) OG Cody Whitehair of Kansas State
10) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
This is a great list, although I disagree with the order (to the extent that I might actually flip the whole thing in reverse). The names are the right ones though, IMO.
RT Le'Raven Clark- Fluker type physical freak with better feet
WR Tyler Boyd- underrated by most, incredible hands
Su'a Cravens- instinctive get off, natural disruptor
DE Emanuel Ogbah- impressive production while garnering double teams
Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
and the best left is Sprigs. However, would love Hunter Henry.
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Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Make it happen Jerry!
The #Cowboys are attempting to trade up with the #Browns at No. 32, source said. The likely target is a pass-rusher.
casserly (sp?) Just had us taking Boyd fwiw
Sheppherd
And Henry from Bama
Are the 3 I am keying on.
Offense round 2.
I'd love either of the other two, but Derrick Henry in R2 would be chuck the entire TV out the window worthy.
I'd also look at Cravens. If we don't get Jack I'd definitely grab him in the 3rd if he's still there.
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casserly (sp?) Just had us taking Boyd fwiw
Could see Boyd,decent size WR with 9 3/4" hands. Looks to be a good hands catcher.
As a DE or DT? I like his quick first step, but he's another case of a player that you'd expect would have better numbers than he did.
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As a DE or DT? I like his quick first step, but he's another case of a player that you'd expect would have better numbers than he did.
I'd play him mainly in a rotation on the inside. He's so disruptive. He's more of a run stuffer that can get to the QB with consistency. That being said, you can move him to the outside on occasion as well. I think Spags would like him for his versatility on the line. Great work ethic too.
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Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Because they are young and need to be given one year to prove otherwise. What should we do just bring in more safeties and cut a couple of guys that have not been given a valid shot at making the roster and proving they can stick and contribute. I am all for giving them another chance especially now our pass rush is going to be much improved from the past few seasons.
I am starting to warm up to Dodd. I am at a trade show down in Atlanta next to the Georgia dome. I spoke to a few Clemson fans who say Dodd is a tremendous player who rushes the passer and plays the run just as good. A few guys said he was just as good as Shaq and the reason being is Shaq couldn't stay healthy. They think he is a perfect DE in a 4-3, while Shaq was better suited as a standup in a 3-4.
We really don't know. It all depends on how the Giants view the medicals. None of us have access to that information so both Jack and Jaylon Smith are the ultimate wildcards. If the Giants are comfortable with their medicals, it would be a coup. If not, you have to pass for healthier players.
I wouldn't mind seeing that.
-Shepard
-Floyd
-Spriggs
3rd round
-Jonathan Williams
-Max Tuerk
-Javon Hargrave
-Shepard
-Floyd
-Spriggs
3rd round
-Jonathan Williams
-Max Tuerk
-Javon Hargrave
You definitely won't get Floyd.
Thanks BBI auto correct
Unless you want Newhouse starting at RT again.
Please stop with the drafting of a TE, with all the other needs they have. I don't think he is the second coming
of Mark Bavaro, their TE's are serviceable.
That's all the Giants really care about at that position.
In Round 3, I would like to see a WR.. They have signed
a couple of LB's, don't see them taking another one until
Day 3 at the earliest. That's where JR "finds" them.
2. DT Andrew Billings (Shocked he hasn't been drafted. This guy is a freak and just 20 years old. His upside is off the charts! At 311 lbs he had like a 35 inch vert!)
3. DE Emmanuel Ogbah (very under rated IMO. Still learning I think is why. I love his upside)
4. WR Sterling Sheppard (Ok I have called him a slot WR, but the more I watch him the more I like him. Very good kid also.)
5. DE Kevin Dodd (played on a talented Def and on the other side of Shaq Lawson, but played extremely well. has good size)
6. OT Le'Raven Clark (here is the thing... He is a LT IMO. Good feet and extremely long arms. He has amazing potential to be elite. That is saying something so I can't pass on him)
7. DE Noah Spence (Not sure on the fit, but I think he is very talented as a pass rusher. He has worked hard to stay clean and I don't think his history is as much of a risk as others)
8. FS Vonn Bell (won't happen... they won't draft him, but I like him a lot)
9. WR Tyler Boyd (amazing hands. Under rated because his last year they switched how they used him and his yards per catch went way down. Runs good routes and I think will be a solid #2 WR for years!)
10. DT/DE Jonathan Bullard (I think he is a pass rushing DT. I love his get off. He can play DE though also making him very flexible for a team that had only 2 good DEs and 2 good DTs... That puts his value way up for me.)
Players I really like even though they are probably 3rd rounders... LB Scooby Wright and WR Michael Thomas Southern Miss
Players that will be on most peoples top 10 A'shawn Robinson, Jarran Reed, Carl Nassib, and Reggie Ragland.. I like them all and would be happy with any of them.
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Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.
Because they are young and need to be given one year to prove otherwise. What should we do just bring in more safeties and cut a couple of guys that have not been given a valid shot at making the roster and proving they can stick and contribute. I am all for giving them another chance especially now our pass rush is going to be much improved from the past few seasons.
I would agree, doesn't make sense to draft another safety
early in the draft. Since they have these guys here already,
have to show us what they have or don't for a year.
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
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The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Tier two would be the other DL reputed players Ogbah/Dodd, left plus a handful of LBs.
Tier three the savvy, cuts on a dime and gets open slot wrs and guards or right tackles.
3rd: Leonte Carroo WR
Trade a 2017 pick for Anthony Davis
Make it happen JR!!
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is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
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is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
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is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
The LOS needs more IMO
(of course, opinions send a few into meltdown mode around here).
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I also want Dodd
Dodd would be nice. Could just be scratching the surface of what he could be
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is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
The only way to know if OO and Bromley can play is to play them. He was a highly ranked prospect and a productive college player for a reason
Whoa -- you want to give up a 1rst round pick for a second round pick -- YIKES!
that absolutely has to be a smoke screen. He fits nothing we do. We are a shutgun offense.
We have so many more needs at #40 that would be a dreadful pick.
Maybe Derrick can run block for himself.
No thanks.
Plenty of RBs in rounds 3 and 4 who can contribute
Why do teams ever trade up 1 spot? If the team is willing to trade with you so that you can pick up player X aren't they not picking that player anyway? Or is it because they're like "I like player X, but would be willing to settle for player Y with another pick, but will go for player X without a trade". Or the third possibility I've thought of is that there are teams offering the team to trade and pick up player X and the team that trades down with you is using that as leverage or sees this particular trade as more aligned with their interests?
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is that the viable pool of "Value+Need" picks is greatly enhanced for the Giants!
The funny thing is I think we're pretty much set at D-Line, but yet there are so many quality players available today. I'm a huge proponent of taking the best player available so if we walk away from the second round with either Robinson, Dodd, Ogbah, Spence or Chris Jones, I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Set at DL? Who do we have after JPP and Vernon at DE? Who do we have at DT after Hankins and Snacks? We need a DT and DE badly IMO... Especially when there is a good chance we lose JPP next year and Snacks is really a 2 down player. We need a big time DE badly for next year and passing downs and depth of course.
Odighizuwa was a third round pick last year and I still think he has very nice upside. Kerry Wynn is a good backup.
I'm not a fan of Bromley, but he was a Day 2 pick as well, as was Nix.
Weird how people cry about depth, then conveniently forget the very young players on the roster who are the depth they cry about.
I didn't forget about anyone... OO was a healthy scratch last year when he was finally healthy. Don't you think that maybe he isn't going to be that good? It is way to early to tell, but it isn't like he flashed and there is no need to grab a top talent that fell to you in the second. I would feel much better with OO being my 4th DE than my second. Same goes for Bromley as a 4th DT rather than a 3rd DT. Wynn a good backup? Come on man.
The only way to know if OO and Bromley can play is to play them. He was a highly ranked prospect and a productive college player for a reason
I guess so... OO has been injure prone a lot throughout his career. To rely on him to me... no thank you. I feel like if a good DE comes to us at pick 40 we have to grab him. Same with Bromley although he has shown more. The talent in this draft at DT is higher than in most years. Most years you wouldn't have so many top guys still there. Pretty sure i would trade Bromley and OO straight up for any of this guys and wouldn't get a taker.