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2016 NFL Draft: Pre-Draft Discussion Thread (Day 2)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2016 11:40 pm
Rounds 2 and 3 on Friday...
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I'm very excited about tonight  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 2:12 am : link
My top seven guys:

1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma



They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.

Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.

Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.

Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.

And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.


But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.
RE: I'm very excited about tonight  
madgiantscow009 : 4/29/2016 2:18 am : link
In comment 12931153 Anakim said:
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My top seven guys:

1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma



They all offer MAJOR upside. Each guy does not only offer starting potential down the road, IMO, but each one could make a big time impact in the NFL. I think we're fine at D-Line personally, but I'm a big advocate of taking the best player available and it happens to be that the top 5 guys on my board are all D-Linemen.

Robinson is an absolute beast who needs to be a better pass-rusher but all the tools are there and he's only 21. Major upside.

Same with Dodd. Dodd is 23, but the guy has major potential. He came on really strong towards the end of the year and some had him ranked ahead of Shaq Lawson. He's a hard-worker and a relentless player with a ton of talent.

Chris Jones has off-the-field issues and is VERY inconsistent but when he's on his game, there aren't many players better than him. He has fantastic measurables and fantastic potential.

And Ogbah and Spence have been talked about.


But I also LOVE Michael Thomas and Sterling Shepard. I thought all seven guys would be taken somewhere in the first round.


very exciting 2nd round.
If we get Jack then maybe I can live with Apple (maybe)  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2016 2:28 am : link
By I hate the Eli Apple pick.
Hoping we can find our te of the future  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2016 2:39 am : link
In round 2 - a difference maker there helps as much as wr-
another receiving weapon for Eli please  
chris r : 4/29/2016 4:40 am : link
.
If Jack doesn't check out  
Carl in CT : 4/29/2016 5:00 am : link
We do need another DE, WR, and OT with our next three picks. Problem is the DT's should have the best value. With Snacks, Hankins and Bromley we should be OK (since we dress only 3-4 each week). Have to go:

Dodd, Spence, O-bah, Shepard, Springs

Ragland - (did a late medical come up on him?) heart?

My pick  
YANKEE28 : 4/29/2016 5:44 am : link
in Round 2 would be Jon Bullard of Florida. Clean player, team captain, and has effectively played both inside and outside in a major program
Dodd or Shepard would be amazing  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 5:49 am : link
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If someone told me now we can get Caroo in the third  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2016 7:26 am : link
Then I am all in on an OL or anoother defensive player. If not, then Shepard and Thomas are in the mix now.
Jack  
Tom in DC : 4/29/2016 7:51 am : link
Jack is a longevity risk, but likely can have an impact immediately. I say go for it. Hunter Henry also is interesting. I know as fans, we like our undrafted overachieving TEs, but it might make sense to finally invest in the position.
RE: keep your eye  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 7:58 am : link
In comment 12930852 area junc said:
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out for jihad ward in round 2


I had him going to the Giants in round three of my mock draft, but he could come off the board in round two. I think the Colts met with him late in the draft process. He has has the “length,” and “athleticism” Reese craves. Round two would be another reach IMO, but I could see it happening.
we're gonna have a choice of really good players at 40  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/29/2016 8:04 am : link
3 very good safeties still on the board
TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson

3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too
Noah Spense

7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones

WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board

LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board
Spriggs,  
bigbluehoya : 4/29/2016 8:21 am : link
Please
Gidi your last 3 mentioned  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2016 8:31 am : link
Hunter Henry
Sheppherd
And Henry from Bama

Are the 3 I am keying on.

Offense round 2.
RE: Gidi your last 3 mentioned  
dep026 : 4/29/2016 8:33 am : link
In comment 12931560 hitdog42 said:
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Hunter Henry
Sheppherd
And Henry from Bama

Are the 3 I am keying on.

Offense round 2.


Your lips to Reese's ears. I would also consider Jack as well. But if it isnt Jack - it has to be an offensive weapon. Not really sold on Henry from Bama though.
Raanan  
Jon in NYC : 4/29/2016 8:37 am : link
says the Giants like Hunter Henry a lot.
Get the trade for Davis done  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2016 8:49 am : link
RT solved. Conditional pick next year. Then concentrate on wr,olb,fs and dl. Davis is from Jersey, bring him home.
RE: Was Boylhart the guy who loved Jarran Reed?  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 9:34 am : link
In comment 12931118 Anakim said:
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One of the draft pundits talked about Jarran Reed like he was the Second Coming. It was hilarious. I think A'Shawn Robinson is a better fit for the Giants than Reed and he's my #1 available player right now. I would love if he fell to 40 and if we took him even though DT isn't a need. #BPA

Yes - Boylhart had Reed as his #1 player in the draft.
Hunter  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 9:36 am : link
Henry would be awesome. Some of the best hands in the draft, WR or TE.
RE: Raanan  
giants#1 : 4/29/2016 9:39 am : link
In comment 12931586 Jon in NYC said:
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says the Giants like Hunter Henry a lot.


So does hitdog on multiple threads...
FWIW  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 9:40 am : link
Here's the NFL.com Henry write up:

STRENGTHS Flat-­running stud as a run blocker and a big part of Arkansas' running game success. Strikes into the frame of defenders with inside hands and blocks with a wide, strong base. Able to turn outside linebackers and cornerbacks out of their run fits and sustains his blocks as long as he can. Had no drops and 51 catches this season. Able to secure contested catches and eminent hits won't scare him away from the catch. Able to work all three levels as a go-­to target. Too talented to be covered by most linebackers. Able to run a variety of routes and has no reason to leave the field.

WEAKNESSES Don't need much space for this section. Can get a little grabby as a run blocker and was penalized for three holding calls in 2015. Is a little upright into his breaks with rounded turns over sharp cuts. Is a little labored when adjusting his routes to traffic.

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 1 or 2
NFL COMPARISON Jason Witten
RE: RE: Raanan  
Jon in NYC : 4/29/2016 9:40 am : link
In comment 12931891 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12931586 Jon in NYC said:


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says the Giants like Hunter Henry a lot.



So does hitdog on multiple threads...


Yup. Have to think he's their top guy, which I'm totally fine with.
Henry  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2016 9:50 am : link
Makes a ton of sense as a fit in this offense. Could see McAdoo being one really pushing for him.

Otherwise I like Shepard as a lot of others do and I'd be fine with a DL too if a guy like Ogbah or Dodd or Reed is there.

Not in love with the LBs or S there right now.
I'd  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 9:51 am : link
love Hunter Henry. Best TE in the draft. Just fear he’s coming off the board before #40.
$10...Someone trades up to 39  
wigs in nyc : 4/29/2016 9:51 am : link
and nabs Henry. Takers?
Who's Left  
Bluesbreaker : 4/29/2016 10:17 am : link
as much as we have holes I could
see us taking Robinson . I think he would
be rated better than any WR's or OT left
Take Henry Hunter for the same reason .
Probably both gone before we pick .
Also a couple of guy's I forgot  
Bluesbreaker : 4/29/2016 10:25 am : link
TJ Green FS
Bullard DE
Ogbah DE
Spriggs OT
Whitehair OT
You people who want Jack,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2016 10:26 am : link
please don't EVER complain about FAs or draft picks with questionable medicals again with your vitriol that is aimed at Reese..
Excited  
igotyourbackman : 4/29/2016 10:29 am : link
Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.
RE: we're gonna have a choice of really good players at 40  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 4/29/2016 10:31 am : link
In comment 12931456 gidiefor said:
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3 very good safeties still on the board
TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson

3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too

Chris Ash just said on NFL radio that Von Bell was probably the best all around player on Ohio State last year.
Noah Spense

7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones

WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board

LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board
RE: Raanan  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 12931586 Jon in NYC said:
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says the Giants like Hunter Henry a lot.


At this point, I want Jordan and the rest of the beat writers to STFU about who the Giants like. I doubt Henry last 10 picks anyway as the clear cut best TE in the draft.
Oops didn't go to the end of the post  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 4/29/2016 10:35 am : link
Chris Ash just said on NFL radio that Von Bell was the best all around player on Ohio State last year.
RE: RE: we're gonna have a choice of really good players at 40  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2016 10:35 am : link
In comment 12932166 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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In comment 12931456 gidiefor said:


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3 very good safeties still on the board
TJ Green
V Bell
D Thompson

3 very good DEs
Kevin Dodd
Emanual Ogbah too

Chris Ash just said on NFL radio that Von Bell was probably the best all around player on Ohio State last year.
Noah Spense

7 very good DTs still on the board including{
Bullard
Reed
Billings
Robinson
Jones

WR Sterling Sheppard still on the Board
RB Derrick Henry still on the Board
TE Hunter Henry Still on the Board

LBs Su'a Cravens and Miles Jack still on the Board



Tittle, thanks a ton for this
RE: Excited  
GuzzaBlue : 4/29/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 12932157 igotyourbackman said:
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Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.


The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.
RE: You people who want Jack,  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:39 am : link
In comment 12932145 Big Blue '56 said:
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please don't EVER complain about FAs or draft picks with questionable medicals again with your vitriol that is aimed at Reese..

+1. It's really unbelievable.
Big Blue I fucked up the reply.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 4/29/2016 10:44 am : link
See my second post above your reply. Sorry!
I want Jack - the value here is fantastic and its a huge area of need  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2016 10:49 am : link
I'd also be ok with a WR or Bell the free safety (however I think the Giants are happy with the FS situation they have).
RE: RE: You people who want Jack,  
GuzzaBlue : 4/29/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 12932221 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 12932145 Big Blue '56 said:


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please don't EVER complain about FAs or draft picks with questionable medicals again with your vitriol that is aimed at Reese..


+1. It's really unbelievable.


+2. Couldn't agree more.
RE: If we get Jack then maybe I can live with Apple (maybe)  
Rory : 4/29/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 12931163 PatersonPlank said:
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By I hate the Eli Apple pick.


You need to read more then.
Options for us:  
Jerry K : 4/29/2016 11:00 am : link
Tune in to see each of these get picked before our turn:
OT Jason Spriggs
WR Sterling Shepard
TE Hunter Henry
DE Emmanuel Ogbah
DT Jarran Reed
LB Reggie Ragland
OG Codey Whitehair

And likely off the Giants' board for one more round: LB Myles Jack
RE: You people who want Jack,  
Rory : 4/29/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 12932145 Big Blue '56 said:
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please don't EVER complain about FAs or draft picks with questionable medicals again with your vitriol that is aimed at Reese..


holy fuck , thank you BB56. My thoughts exactly
Maybe  
Jerry K : 4/29/2016 11:10 am : link
S Vonn Bell
RE: RE: Excited  
igotyourbackman : 4/29/2016 11:30 am : link
In comment 12932207 GuzzaBlue said:
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In comment 12932157 igotyourbackman said:


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Jack would be great but I'd love Henry as well. So much talent left it seems they can't really mess this one up.



The RB Henry or TE. If the select RB Henry in the 2nd, I will officially throw the remote. There are way too many good players to be had in 10 picks to fill needs. I'd love any DL position, OT/G, WR. I believe they address one of these three positions.


The Tight End. Find another running back after the draft is over...
can't argue with hunter henry  
area junc : 4/29/2016 11:40 am : link
donnell stinks, tye looked like a decent #2. a TE is a vital cog to a WCO
RE: My list:  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/29/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 12930996 Anakim said:
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Myles Jack is the wildcard obviously. Him and Jaylon Smith. We'll see where they go. If the Giants are comfortable with either one of them, they should roll the dice.


As for my list, here's my top 10 remaining players for the Football Giants (in order):

1) DT A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama
2) DE Kevin Dodd of Clemson
3) DT Chris Jones of Mississippi State
4) DE Emmanuel Ogbah of Oklahoma State
5) DE Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky
6) WR Michael Thomas of Ohio State
7) WR Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma
8) TE Hunter Henry of Arkansas
9) OG Cody Whitehair of Kansas State
10) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor

This is a great list, although I disagree with the order (to the extent that I might actually flip the whole thing in reverse). The names are the right ones though, IMO.
#40 wishlist in no priority order  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 11:45 am : link
TE Hunter Henry- best prospect since Gronk
RT Le'Raven Clark- Fluker type physical freak with better feet
WR Tyler Boyd- underrated by most, incredible hands
Su'a Cravens- instinctive get off, natural disruptor
DE Emanuel Ogbah- impressive production while garnering double teams


RE: Maybe  
Joe in CT : 4/29/2016 11:50 am : link
In comment 12932399 Jerry K said:
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S Vonn Bell


Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.
Alot of D line still available and would be happy with many,  
Watson : 4/29/2016 11:51 am : link
but we need something for the offense. NYG really needs an OT
and the best left is Sprigs. However, would love Hunter Henry.
RE: RE: Maybe  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 12932686 Joe in CT said:
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In comment 12932399 Jerry K said:


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S Vonn Bell



Brilliant, let's go ahead and cut two of our safeties returning from IR last season. I am hoping the Giants steer clear of bringing in any new safeties unless it's a UDFA.


Why? You haven't seen anything from the safeties we have to leave you confident they can help this team.

I am 100% on the  
JPinstripes : 4/29/2016 11:56 am : link
Hunter Henry TE bandwagon for pick 2.

Make it happen Jerry!

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