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Don't mind Green Apple but if Giants truly loved Floyd

Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 7:22 am
Don't you think they should have paid 4th round price for him? I wonder if they were talking to Tampa or not. If so was the offer for the 4th on the table or did they know Chicago was ready to give up a 4th themselves.

I have no issue with Eli as he is possibly the highest upside CB in draft and Giants have been stellar at sniffing out first round talent under Reese. However if the grade on Floyd was significantly higher, shame on the FO for not offering the 4th if they could have.
what do you coach  
chris r : 4/29/2016 7:22 am : link
?
So let's see  
grizz299 : 4/29/2016 7:26 am : link

You wanted them to use a fourth to jump up one slot to get a Line backer who weighs 225, is weak at the point of attack and allready 24 yrs old.

I don't know if that's worthwhile but there is no move he could have made that wouldn't have brought out the handwringers.

Floyd was a  
LeonofKiev : 4/29/2016 7:28 am : link
smokescreen!
RE: So let's see  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 7:31 am : link
In comment 12931332 grizz299 said:
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You wanted them to use a fourth to jump up one slot to get a Line backer who weighs 225, is weak at the point of attack and allready 24 yrs old.

I don't know if that's worthwhile but there is no move he could have made that wouldn't have brought out the handwringers.

Two slots. The problem is Reese is incapable of that type of strategic thinking.
RE: So let's see  
Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 7:32 am : link
In comment 12931332 grizz299 said:
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You wanted them to use a fourth to jump up one slot to get a Line backer who weighs 225, is weak at the point of attack and allready 24 yrs old.

I don't know if that's worthwhile but there is no move he could have made that wouldn't have brought out the handwringers.


When it comes to the first round I trust the Giants grades as they have been very accurate under Reese. Is Floyd was clearly in a tier above ( best guess based on the amount of insider info) then they should have done it.
Reese said they explored trading up  
David in LA : 4/29/2016 7:33 am : link
but decided the 4th wasn't worth the cost of moving up. The opportunity was there, but they didn't love the prospect ahead of Apple that much more.
No one knows how bad they wanted anyone  
UConn4523 : 4/29/2016 7:33 am : link
what do these threads prove other than yet another potential scenario that may or may not be accurate?
Obviously they didn't think that  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/29/2016 7:38 am : link
he was that much better. Not enough to sacrifice a second player. They already showed us what they think last night.
RE: Reese said they explored trading up  
Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 7:56 am : link
In comment 12931353 David in LA said:
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but decided the 4th wasn't worth the cost of moving up. The opportunity was there, but they didn't love the prospect ahead of Apple that much more.


If thatwas the case let's hope they were right. I think Eli could be an excellent cornerback. ]
RE: Reese said they explored trading up  
Jim in Tampa : 4/29/2016 8:02 am : link
In comment 12931353 David in LA said:
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but decided the 4th wasn't worth the cost of moving up. The opportunity was there, but they didn't love the prospect ahead of Apple that much more.


I could be wrong, but I think JR was asked if they explored options to move up or down and then he gave his standard, "we explore all options" response.

I remember that he said that they had an opportunity to trade DOWN, but didn't like the offer, but I don't recall him specifically addressing whether or not they considered trading up.

In any case, I agree with Coach. If as we suspect, based on all the late pre-draft info that the Giants really wanted Floyd and their backup guy was Conklin, how do you let other teams directly behind you outmaneuver you and trade up in front of you to grab them?

Considering the success rate of an average 4th rounder then adding in other factors, that this is a below-average draft (talent wise) and that JR and Company haven't exactly been hitting it big on their mid-to-late draft selections, it seems that they should have coughed up the 4th rounder to make it happen.
Right, I think the big question is was if Floyd was a tier/row above  
Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 8:21 am : link
Apple.

If that was the case then a fourth may have been worth it. If not then it is likely understandable that they declined.
RE: RE: So let's see  
therealmf : 4/29/2016 8:53 am : link
In comment 12931344 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12931332 grizz299 said:


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You wanted them to use a fourth to jump up one slot to get a Line backer who weighs 225, is weak at the point of attack and allready 24 yrs old.

I don't know if that's worthwhile but there is no move he could have made that wouldn't have brought out the handwringers.



Two slots. The problem is Reese is incapable of that type of strategic thinking.


The trade was with Tampa. Trading 10 to 9. 1 slot.
Should I insert a snarky comment that at least Reese can count?
Thats probably not true  
Elite Mobster #32 : 4/29/2016 10:29 am : link
He would have given up the 4th. I do not believe that
RE: Reese said they explored trading up  
Patrick77 : 4/29/2016 10:31 am : link
In comment 12931353 David in LA said:
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but decided the 4th wasn't worth the cost of moving up. The opportunity was there, but they didn't love the prospect ahead of Apple that much more.


This. It really shows how they value players. Apple and a 4th is rated as worth more to the Giants than Floyd or Conklin is my guess.

Which is great news for me. I was worried they viewed Floyd as the reincarnation of LT.
RE: RE: Reese said they explored trading up  
Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12932165 Patrick77 said:
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In comment 12931353 David in LA said:


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but decided the 4th wasn't worth the cost of moving up. The opportunity was there, but they didn't love the prospect ahead of Apple that much more.



This. It really shows how they value players. Apple and a 4th is rated as worth more to the Giants than Floyd or Conklin is my guess.

Which is great news for me. I was worried they viewed Floyd as the reincarnation of LT.


Apparently they liked Apple alot too b/c we knew they absolutely loved Floyd. As we breakdown the numbers it's getting clearer why Apple was a very good pick as well.
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