Okay guys, I told you this kid was a stud, but who would have thought that Big Blue would go this route. Still, we touted him as the best CB in the draft (Ramsey was our top FS). Do you want the kitchen sink on this kid? Well, go check out his profile & complete scouting report (much more info than the one in the position analysis)here;
http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.com/posts/16870661/the-nfl-draft-report-s--final-analysis--series---the-big-apple-welcomes-eli-apple-to-the-big-blue-family.html
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Probably no concern for his coach though, as he was named the MVP of the game (held Will Fuller to one catch for 5 yards before they switched him off & Fuller caught 5 vs. Bell) & he made 9 plays vs. the pass vs. WMU, killing one drive on 4th down & two on third down.
If that is PI/holding problems, I can live with it
Nick43, maybe you could respond to these points with your analysis of the PI issue? Thought not
I truly hope others here will take the time to read and help with the whining & fallacies going around.
Thanks again!
Hopefully this kid is a good player and stays healthy. The Giants needed another starting CB. Teams need at least 3. This kid is fast and the Giants really need fast on defense. Haven't we seen enough of horrible CB play the last few years when Prince inevitably missed his half the season?
I think since the Giants were so transparent on Floyd (who I'm happy they didn't draft but what do I know) and Conklin (who I really wanted to be the pick but what do I know) people freaked out when they took a guy who no one had going that high in mock drafts (but what do they know). It did seem like the Giants were unprepared for the situation they found themselves in.
I would have been happy to trade down for a 2nd or 3rd and take Decker from OSU or even Fuller from ND or the kid the Jets drafted.
Probably no concern for his coach though, as he was named the MVP of the game (held Will Fuller to one catch for 5 yards before they switched him off & Fuller caught 5 vs. Bell) & he made 9 plays vs. the pass vs. WMU, killing one drive on 4th down & two on third down.
If that is PI/holding problems, I can live with it
Awesome response. Always love facts over hyperbole.
Western Michigan;
2q 654 PEN
4-9 WMU 02 Clock 06:12, [Shotgun], SCHROEDER, J. punt 54 yards to the OSU44, Marshall, Jalin return
6 yards to the 50 yardline (ERNSBERGER, Donnie), PENALTY OSU illegal block declined,
PENALTY OSU holding (Apple, Eli) 10 yards to the OSU40, 1st and 10, OSU ball on OSU40.
3 plays, 1 yard, 0:59
2q 402 TFL
2-17 WMU 18 Clock 03:25, TERRELL, Zach pass complete to BRAVERMAN, Daniel for loss of 3 yards to the
WMU15 (Apple, Eli), PENALTY WMU illegal block declined.
3q 1050 PEN-PI
3-9 OSU 11 TERRELL, Zach sideline pass incomplete to DAVIS, Corey, PENALTY OSU pass interference X16
(Apple, Eli) 9 yards to the OSU2, 1ST DOWN WMU, NO PLAY.
NOTRE DAME
3q 300
4-6 ND09 NEWSOME, Tyler punt 59 yards to the OSU32, Marshall, Jalin return 14 yards to the OSU46 (HUNTER JR,Torii),
PENALTY OSU holding (Apple, Eli) 10 yards to the OSU36, 1st and 10, OSU ball on OSU36.
3 plays, 4 yards, 1:36
SO- TO RECAP - two holding penalties on SPECIAL TEAMS, not defense & one pass interference call in a 38-12 victory. What do you think guys, can we put that issue to bed & move on?
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I could just see the over reactors on BBI quoting it, saying you think he's a 'tomato'. Then they'd act like that's a common scouting term for a guy.
With what Norman gets away with, Apple should be fine.
Probably no concern for his coach though, as he was named the MVP of the game (held Will Fuller to one catch for 5 yards before they switched him off & Fuller caught 5 vs. Bell) & he made 9 plays vs. the pass vs. WMU, killing one drive on 4th down & two on third down.
If that is PI/holding problems, I can live with it
I was just watching the video with all his targets that Eric posted on the transcript page. I looks like Apple had a PI and a holding in the Indiana game as well.
Hopefully this kid is a good player and stays healthy. The Giants needed another starting CB. Teams need at least 3. This kid is fast and the Giants really need fast on defense. Haven't we seen enough of horrible CB play the last few years when Prince inevitably missed his half the season?
I think since the Giants were so transparent on Floyd (who I'm happy they didn't draft but what do I know) and Conklin (who I really wanted to be the pick but what do I know) people freaked out when they took a guy who no one had going that high in mock drafts (but what do they know). It did seem like the Giants were unprepared for the situation they found themselves in.
I would have been happy to trade down for a 2nd or 3rd and take Decker from OSU or even Fuller from ND or the kid the Jets drafted.
Considering that Eric himself noted that hitdog had Apple as the pick BEFORE Floyd got drafted, have you even considered that Floyd was a media plant by the Giants to get someone to bite, get ahead of them to take the plant name and get the guy they REALLY wanted?
Think hard about this before responding- who are the two names that the media ran hard with before the draft for the Giants- Conklin and Floyd. Did you even hear Apple once from the Giants?
Maybe leaking isn't a problem for the front office- maybe they know what they are doing and conned the Titans and Bears into moving up to get just their real target- Apple.
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But it's horrible business in the NFL for the rest of the league to know enough about your board to trade in front of you to grab the guys you had targeted.
Hopefully this kid is a good player and stays healthy. The Giants needed another starting CB. Teams need at least 3. This kid is fast and the Giants really need fast on defense. Haven't we seen enough of horrible CB play the last few years when Prince inevitably missed his half the season?
I think since the Giants were so transparent on Floyd (who I'm happy they didn't draft but what do I know) and Conklin (who I really wanted to be the pick but what do I know) people freaked out when they took a guy who no one had going that high in mock drafts (but what do they know). It did seem like the Giants were unprepared for the situation they found themselves in.
I would have been happy to trade down for a 2nd or 3rd and take Decker from OSU or even Fuller from ND or the kid the Jets drafted.
Considering that Eric himself noted that hitdog had Apple as the pick BEFORE Floyd got drafted, have you even considered that Floyd was a media plant by the Giants to get someone to bite, get ahead of them to take the plant name and get the guy they REALLY wanted?
Think hard about this before responding- who are the two names that the media ran hard with before the draft for the Giants- Conklin and Floyd. Did you even hear Apple once from the Giants?
Maybe leaking isn't a problem for the front office- maybe they know what they are doing and conned the Titans and Bears into moving up to get just their real target- Apple.
Fabulous post Rich, probably because I agree..:)
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But it's horrible business in the NFL for the rest of the league to know enough about your board to trade in front of you to grab the guys you had targeted.
Hopefully this kid is a good player and stays healthy. The Giants needed another starting CB. Teams need at least 3. This kid is fast and the Giants really need fast on defense. Haven't we seen enough of horrible CB play the last few years when Prince inevitably missed his half the season?
I think since the Giants were so transparent on Floyd (who I'm happy they didn't draft but what do I know) and Conklin (who I really wanted to be the pick but what do I know) people freaked out when they took a guy who no one had going that high in mock drafts (but what do they know). It did seem like the Giants were unprepared for the situation they found themselves in.
I would have been happy to trade down for a 2nd or 3rd and take Decker from OSU or even Fuller from ND or the kid the Jets drafted.
Considering that Eric himself noted that hitdog had Apple as the pick BEFORE Floyd got drafted, have you even considered that Floyd was a media plant by the Giants to get someone to bite, get ahead of them to take the plant name and get the guy they REALLY wanted?
Think hard about this before responding- who are the two names that the media ran hard with before the draft for the Giants- Conklin and Floyd. Did you even hear Apple once from the Giants?
Maybe leaking isn't a problem for the front office- maybe they know what they are doing and conned the Titans and Bears into moving up to get just their real target- Apple.
Fabulous post Rich, probably because I agree..:)
I remarked similar in another thread, I'm really beginning to believe that Apple was #2 on the board after Conklin. It makes sense
He does seem to have a lot of contact down the field. But he looks good pressing. Physical player. He flies up to the ball on running plays and short passes.
Are you serious or just poking the naysayers- can't be sure.
Anyway, just in case you are serious, every year, dozens of DBs come from college to the pros. Every year, they learn that the NFL and college are called differently and adjust. That is part of the game.
Remember that what ESPN is doing is selling a product- draft coverage. People get tired of the "this guy is the best thing since sliced bread" coverage of every player.
I can't be the only person who noticed that ESPN made the decision to have Kiper be the guy to sing the player's praises and have Gruden be the one to point out flaws or things the player needs to work on.
I would also suggest to people that they go back and LISTEN to the ESPN broadcast as the commish announced the pick- you can hear Gruden say "nice pick" in an approving way. But, keep in mind that Gruden had an ESPN appointed role last night- to be the guy who pointed out that each prospect had something to work on.
How many draft picks every year can start in the NFL without being coached up? I'll guess it's a preeeetty small number. And I definitely more comfortable with this pick than Floyd. Though that means a hill of beans.
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that collegiate officiating and NFL refs are worlds apart on the things they call?
With what Norman gets away with, Apple should be fine.
Norman has the rep to get away with it. Apple has to develop a rep as a top NFL corner to earn that leeway
I like the pick. He is a clearly skilled, and we needed a press corner and someone who can hold their own Day 1 in the slot and outside in the near future. I
Seemed to be a name that was forecasted more in the middle of Rd 1 but there was enough of "noise" last night with prospects that I wonder if the Giants just went as safe as possible.
We all want impact player when you talk about pick #10 but Apple is our guy so get on board...
So how good will he be using PROPER technique? Will he be a drive kept alive due to penalty magnet?
Looking at his time currently the answer is yes to being a magnet.
DB coaches have their work cut out....
Works for me
Probably no concern for his coach though, as he was named the MVP of the game (held Will Fuller to one catch for 5 yards before they switched him off & Fuller caught 5 vs. Bell) & he made 9 plays vs. the pass vs. WMU, killing one drive on 4th down & two on third down.
If that is PI/holding problems, I can live with it
He does need to improve the usage of his hands, as I stated
previously I watched him play a lot. I still don't consider
him a top 10 pick. The way the NFL game is called now,
he will be called for holding penalties, unless he cleans that up. I don't consider him any 'master' at deciphering QB's eyes, or zones, sorry don't know what you were watching at OSU! You are entitled to your opinion though.
Dave where would Apple have gone last year amongst Byron, Jones, Marcus Peters, and Kevin Johnson?
Add in what seems to be a good 'character' pick and couldnt ask for too much more.....
Yes, you can get away with it more in CFB nowadays, agreed.
"He thought he'd probably fall to the Dolphins (at 13)," Ash said, recounting the moment from Chicago the night before in a phone interview with NJ Advance Media. "The Dolphins really wanted him. To get the call at the 10 spot was really a shock to him
As always Dave, great job.
I for one am super glad you are on BBI. Your write up is very extensive and indepth. Thank You
I wonder if we'll see him take a major (even starting role) at Free Safety this year! His skill set seems perfect for that, based on your report. Heaven knows we could use someone to step out and claim that position, instead of the revolving door we've had.
Looking forward to Apple (and Shepard!)...now, let's see how good the coaching staff really is (teaching). We need to see players develop, not stagnate.