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What is the plan for the O-Line?

JD in NC : 4/29/2016 8:42 am
I am thoroughly confused at this point as to what is going to happen with the O-Line.

Flowers - Pugh - Richburg - Jerry - Newhouse?

Is that the lineup we're going to be running out game 1?

If we had been able to secure one of the top 3 OL, then the player would have been starting from day 1, which even for a top 10 pick doesn't mean he's going to have immediate success (Flowers), I can't imagine they are going to take any the remaining OT's and have them start this season.

So is this is? Is this the O-Line for 2016? Someone PLEASE convince me otherwise...
I heard they are bringing back  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2016 8:43 am : link
Jeff Hatch to play RT.
I think you can live with Jerry/Hart at RG  
mphbullet36 : 4/29/2016 8:44 am : link
but no way can Newhouse be your starting RT during week 1. He just isn't good enough. So either a trade for Davis needs to happen with a conditional pick or a RT needs to be drafted in round 2 or 3 that can come in a start.
For one...  
ZGiants98 : 4/29/2016 8:44 am : link
You can plug Hart at one of the two right spots. Giants are very high on him.
you  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 8:46 am : link
guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"

Well,  
Doomster : 4/29/2016 8:50 am : link
For one...
ZGiants98 : 8:44 am : link : reply
You can plug Hart at one of the two right spots. Giants are very high on him.


They can try that experiment, and hope for the best.....just like they hoped for the best at the safety position last year, and all the wunderkinds Reese said we had for Pass rushers("we are going to surprise a few people with our pass rush").....
The draft is more than one round  
David B. : 4/29/2016 8:52 am : link
They will likely draft some OL.
Karl Nelson looked healthy last time he was on TV  
Victor in CT : 4/29/2016 8:55 am : link
But seriously, Eric is right, they have more holes than a cheap whorehouse and you could ask that question of any position after any pick.
RE: you  
JD in NC : 4/29/2016 8:57 am : link
In comment 12931631 Eric from BBI said:
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guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"


The other positions of need on this team can be effectively addressed without investing a 1st round pick in the position. Offensive Tackle cannot.
Reese has a great opportunity to give major flexibility  
NYG07 : 4/29/2016 9:02 am : link
in the upcoming rounds. He should be on the phone with SF all day today to try and make a deal for Anthony Davis.

If he can get him for lets say a conditional 5th, or even a 4th, it would give the Giants the chance to take need picks with value (WR, FS, or DE) in rounds 2 and 3. If not, they will have to draft a lineman tonight.
I  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 9:04 am : link
agree with Sy. I don’t see the Giants drafting Spriggs. I don’t think he’ll be available because he’s the last decent tackle on the board. But even if he’s there, the Giants are likely to go in another direction in the second. He needs more mass to play on the right side. So I think they’ll take a developmental tackle prospect on day three, maybe Caleb Benenoch from UCLA. He has length and good feet. That means Newhouse for another year.
What is this love for Davis?  
Doomster : 4/29/2016 9:13 am : link
He had an ACL tear, and according to Wiki:

On June 5, 2015, Davis announced he would not be playing during the 2015 season, stating he wanted time to "let his brain and body heal".

His brain? WTF.....

Sounds like a guy coming back for money, and nothing more....
JD in NC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:16 am : link
I think you could find a lot of people who say a starting cornerback is more valuable than a starting right tackle.
RE: JD in NC  
Gutless Puke : 4/29/2016 9:17 am : link
In comment 12931766 Eric from BBI said:
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I think you could find a lot of people who say a starting cornerback is more valuable than a starting right tackle.


I wonder if Manning would agree.
JD in NC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:18 am : link
And again, the tackle they wanted was gone. Tunsil wasn't a consideration. So they took their top rated player at position with a desperate need.
RE: RE: JD in NC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:18 am : link
In comment 12931774 Gutless Puke said:
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In comment 12931766 Eric from BBI said:


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I think you could find a lot of people who say a starting cornerback is more valuable than a starting right tackle.



I wonder if Manning would agree.


He probably would if he loses another game after throwing six touchdown passes.
RE: RE: you  
Joe in CT : 4/29/2016 9:19 am : link
In comment 12931689 JD in NC said:
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In comment 12931631 Eric from BBI said:


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guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"




The other positions of need on this team can be effectively addressed without investing a 1st round pick in the position. Offensive Tackle cannot.


Since when. It is very possible to obtain a OT in round 2 or round 3 and get him ready to start week 1. This is not circa NFL 1967.
people  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:20 am : link
need to come to grips with the fact that Newhouse is our starting right tackle now unless they bring in another veteran or get lucky in the draft.


...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:22 am : link
And Conklin wasn't their #1 guy regardless. They were hoping a LB would drop to them...a LB that most on BBI didn't want.

So this thread would still be here even had the draft went the way they wanted it to go.
RE: RE: JD in NC  
Strip-Sack : 4/29/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 12931774 Gutless Puke said:
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In comment 12931766 Eric from BBI said:


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I think you could find a lot of people who say a starting cornerback is more valuable than a starting right tackle.



I wonder if Manning would agree.


What exactly does that have to do with anything?
RE: you  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 9:25 am : link
In comment 12931631 Eric from BBI said:
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guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"


You are getting very good at being a JR apologist!
RE: RE: RE: JD in NC  
Bleedin Blue : 4/29/2016 9:28 am : link
In comment 12931783 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 12931774 Gutless Puke said:


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In comment 12931766 Eric from BBI said:


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I think you could find a lot of people who say a starting cornerback is more valuable than a starting right tackle.



I wonder if Manning would agree.



He probably would if he loses another game after throwing six touchdown passes.


And Eric for the win!!!! Well said!!
RE: people  
x meadowlander : 4/29/2016 9:29 am : link
In comment 12931790 Eric from BBI said:
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need to come to grips with the fact that Newhouse is our starting right tackle now unless they bring in another veteran or get lucky in the draft.

Draft isn't over. Spriggs is still out there. Here's what the Big Board probably looks like this morning.


New York Giants' Big Board - ( New Window )
RE: I  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 9:30 am : link
In comment 12931718 AcidTest said:
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agree with Sy. I don’t see the Giants drafting Spriggs. I don’t think he’ll be available because he’s the last decent tackle on the board. But even if he’s there, the Giants are likely to go in another direction in the second. He needs more mass to play on the right side. So I think they’ll take a developmental tackle prospect on day three, maybe Caleb Benenoch from UCLA. He has length and good feet. That means Newhouse for another year.


And that means he still hasn't fixed the o-line after four years of miserable play. In three drafts (two years after he realized his blunderous overlooking of the o'line) JR has only fixed the left side of the o-line.

But don't worry, MacAdoo likes Newhouse. Hard to get excited about a new coach when they say that because as the OC the previous year he has to know he sucks!



RE: RE: you  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:32 am : link
In comment 12931814 nicky43 said:
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In comment 12931631 Eric from BBI said:


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guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"




You are getting very good at being a JR apologist!


Yes because I'm infamous for defending Reese on this board. Give me a fucking break.

Any nitwit can see that CB was a glaring need on this team. Now I have no idea what kind of player Apple will be, but to say I'm an apologist for saying CB was an enormous need is pure garbage.
I think they are hoping that  
section125 : 4/29/2016 9:33 am : link
Bobby Hart can be the RT. Kid has good size, apparently lost weight and added strength. He did play LT for two years at FSU followed by RT. He has good feet.

I know it is wishful thinking, but the starting RT might just be on the team already.

New OLine coach might be able to develop our guys better than Flats did.
RE: people  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 9:34 am : link
In comment 12931790 Eric from BBI said:
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need to come to grips with the fact that Newhouse is our starting right tackle now unless they bring in another veteran or get lucky in the draft.


I'd add... come to grips with the losses that come with Newhouse as a starting tackle and seeing manning on his back allot.

Just pathetic to think that here we are 6 years after identifying how the o-line had been horribly overlooked and it still isn't fixed yet.

RE: RE: RE: you  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 9:40 am : link
In comment 12931857 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 12931814 nicky43 said:


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In comment 12931631 Eric from BBI said:


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guys need to understand this team has a lot of holes.

Had Conklin slipped and they took him, you could have asked the question, "What is the plan for the secondary?"




You are getting very good at being a JR apologist!



Yes because I'm infamous for defending Reese on this board. Give me a fucking break.

Any nitwit can see that CB was a glaring need on this team. Now I have no idea what kind of player Apple will be, but to say I'm an apologist for saying CB was an enormous need is pure garbage.


Here I agree. JR made a nitwit pick again!
They  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 9:44 am : link
needed Conklin to replace Newhouse this year, although there might be a chance that one of the veterans they brought in could do so. But I wouldn’t count on that. Newhouse can probably beat them out. So you look to get a developmental tackle on day three, and hope he can replace Newhouse in 2017. This is just one of many holes.
RE: people  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 12931790 Eric from BBI said:
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need to come to grips with the fact that Newhouse is our starting right tackle now unless they bring in another veteran or get lucky in the draft.



As I said in another post, Reese should be fired for putting the team in this position that it has to rely on Newhouse.
Eli threw 6 td's against the  
Doomster : 4/29/2016 9:53 am : link
second worst defense in the NFL....

Brees threw 7 against the worst.....

Maybe Eli throws 8 with a solid #2 WR and a good RT.....
I for one did not want to spend another top pick for a RT  
George from PA : 4/29/2016 9:53 am : link
I would have given Floyd the benefit of the doubt if the Giants had drafted him but I was not impressed. He just did not seem like a football player. A freak Athlete YES. Possibly a diamond in the rough.....but 225 Lbs beanpole scared the hell out of me.

This reminds me of when the Giants targeted Evans and Scherff....and we settle for OBJ and Flowers!!!!
Newhouse did just fine last year  
Simms11 : 4/29/2016 10:15 am : link
and far exceeded expectations. This offense is predicated on getting rid of the ball quickly and that helps both Eli and the Oline immensely. The biggest concern I had on the right side was with run blocking and neither Jerry nor Newhouse excel at that. That's why I think Hart will be given every opportunity to supplant either Jerry or Newhouse on the right side. Hart looked the part in his limited opportunities last year, at least as a run blocker. Giants could also look to make a trade after the draft or wait until post June or camp cuts.
RE: Eli threw 6 td's against the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:17 am : link
In comment 12931968 Doomster said:
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second worst defense in the NFL....

Brees threw 7 against the worst.....

Maybe Eli throws 8 with a solid #2 WR and a good RT.....


I don't think New York will win a lot of games with the worst defense in the NFL again.
RE: What is this love for Davis?  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/29/2016 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12931748 Doomster said:
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He had an ACL tear, and according to Wiki:

On June 5, 2015, Davis announced he would not be playing during the 2015 season, stating he wanted time to "let his brain and body heal".

His brain? WTF.....

Sounds like a guy coming back for money, and nothing more....

Not sure if you've seen the news, but there's this whole thing about head injuries in the NFL. Those are about the brain.
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