so basically that means your 3rd CB plays more than most LB's and many DL. Enough with the "backup CB" nonsense.
So without an obvious nickel CB the Giants split that between Jayron Hosley (he played 45% of all defensive snaps in 2015) and Trevin Wade (he played 45% of all defensive snaps in 2015).
Additionally, and I'm not making some huge deal about it, but many of you may have noticed that DRC took himself out of seemingly every game for a few plays here and there. When he did, Wade assumed the #2 CB spot and Hosley played slot.
Teams noticed this:
Here is an example from the Saints game when DRC got turf in his eye and needed to have it flushed out. One play. Brees noticed immediately.
...There was one play on Sunday when Giants cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie wasn't on the field. It went for a 26-yard touchdown reception by Saints wide receiver Brandin Cooks, the player Rodgers-Cromartie would've been covering.
Instead, cornerback Trevin Wade was beat off the line of scrimmage and couldn't catch Cooks. It put the Giants in a 14-7 hole. They went on to lose 52-49. |
the only players on the entire defense to play more snaps than either Wade or Hosley were: DRC, Amukamara (in 11 games), Cullen Jenkins, Landon Collins, Merriweather, Ayers, Wynn and Casillas.
Like the player or not (I won't pretend to be an expert on these guys like others are - just go back and re-read the Beckham thread to see how much you all know), but the position you should have zero issue with.
Giants shored up the DL with a full season of JPP, the addition of Vernon, and Snacks. Replaced/upgrade Prince, and now strengthened the secondary even more.
Still work to do, no doubt about it but please try and remember your comments are here eternally, this and all other threads are saved somewhere, try not to look like an ass.
Jackrabbit has experience playing the slot and maybe be better suited to do so.
It's a good problem for Spags to have and he will figure it out!
size and speed are actually two non requirements for the slot IMO. Those are required for the outside because usually taller wide receivers play on the outside.
Quickness, technique, and play recognition our requirements for the slot. If I'm understanding Apple correctly he could use some development in the technique and play recognition department or he will be chasing guys all around...grabbing them and not finding the ball.
I think it would be a lot easier to move someone else in there TBH.
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Apple can play the slot, he's got the size and speed for it. just needs to learn.
size and speed are actually two non requirements for the slot IMO. Those are required for the outside because usually taller wide receivers play on the outside.
Quickness, technique, and play recognition our requirements for the slot. If I'm understanding Apple correctly he could use some development in the technique and play recognition department or he will be chasing guys all around...grabbing them and not finding the ball.
I think it would be a lot easier to move someone else in there TBH.
Not really true. It depends on the slot WR since they vary so widely from someone like a Wes Welker to someone like an Andre Johnson or Roddy White.
I don't think size and speed are two "have to haves" to play slot CB, but my mentioning them wasn't to say he's perfect for slot, but more to say he's got the size and speed to play anywhere.
does he need technique work? I have no clue, and I doubt many of us really know any more that what we've read someone else write.
Again, I say look back at the post draft Beckham threads. 75% or more of this site look like complete asses.
below is a link, here is an excerpt:
2008: 43.4%
2009: 45.1%
2010: 48.8%
2011: 52.5%
2012: 54.4%
2013: 58.3%
2014: 60.3%
2015: 63.4%
Nearly two-thirds of all snaps were played in the nickel defense last season, so it's about time we start referring to sets with five defensive backs as the base NFL defense. The rise of slot cornerbacks and hybrid safety/linebacker types has coincided with the proliferation of spread offense concepts throughout the NFL. Offenses are turning to more one-back sets, more three-wide sets, and more shotgun with each passing season, and defenses have predictably responded by putting additional coverage players on the field.
Nickel D is the new base - ( New Window )
Same with AJ Green, Dez Bryant types.
The slot receivers are the victor cruz, wes welker, doug baldwin types.
Same with AJ Green, Dez Bryant types.
The slot receivers are the victor cruz, wes welker, doug baldwin types.
Now, it's a mix. Larry Fitzgerald played most of his snaps in the slot last year.
Yes, Andre Johnson and Roddy White lost a step and moved there as probably did Fitz, but it's the way of the NFL now too.
Here is a quote from Fitz:
Fitzgerald, who spent his first nine seasons primarily as an outside receiver for the Arizona Cardinals, was asked -- rather, told -- to move inside to the slot by Cardinals coach Bruce Arians when he was hired in 2013. The biggest change moving inside was the addition of blocking responsibilities, but Fitzgerald has embraced his role.
“It wasn’t something that was high on my priority list when I was younger,” Fitzgerald said. “Here, for us to be able to have great team success, it requires the wide receivers to do some blocking. For us to be able to have the success that I know we’re capable of, guys have to do some things that maybe they weren’t good at before.
This is not a knock on Apple at all because I like the kids potential. But this idea that the giants drafted him to play the slot is crazy. The Giants drafted him to replace DRC next year and be insurance for him because DRC has trouble finishing games and playing all 16.
Apple will be very valuable in that scenario.
This is not a knock on Apple at all because I like the kids potential. But this idea that the giants drafted him to play the slot is crazy. The Giants drafted him to replace DRC next year and be insurance for him because DRC has trouble finishing games and playing all 16.
Apple will be very valuable in that scenario.
I am not claiming that Apple won't be the heir apparent to DRC. I'm saying the Giants can get him on the field as a contributor this year. and ideally I think we can all hope not due to injury.
for the record, Larry Fitzgerald set his career high for receptions in a season last year....in the slot. Sure his YPC was the lowest of his career too, but that's also a function of the slot vs outside.
For Chrissakes, NAME the last season that the starting NY Giant corners played all 16 games.
One man goes down, there are severe matchup problems.
And again, this isn't just about 2016.
For Chrissakes, NAME the last season that the starting NY Giant corners played all 16 games.
One man goes down, there are severe matchup problems.
And again, this isn't just about 2016.
100% agree
For Chrissakes, NAME the last season that the starting NY Giant corners played all 16 games.
One man goes down, there are severe matchup problems.
And again, this isn't just about 2016.
No one said it's just about 2016, however, in this era of the NFL you need your 1st round pick to contribute THIS YEAR (barring injury). No one wants the #10 pick in the draft to be insurance for injury/depth or a possible future starter in the event you don't retain your current starter.
you need an impact from the #10 pick in year 1, and I think they can get it.
Down the road of course there is a long-term plan, but your first round pick in 2016, especially at #10, absolutely better be about 2016.
VH is much more of a nickle than Apple. Apple strictly was an outside guy and all his measurables suggest he is an outside guy.
Maybe they will move Jenkins inside...or play DRC at FS a little if they really want to get Apple involved. I just think nickle would be really tough for him to learn especially since he has some technique issues on the outside already. Moving him inside could be a struggle.
How he plays, and how DRC plays/stays on the field, will bring insight to moves made at CB for the following year......
To another poster's credit, are you guys cool watching Cole Beasley move the chains on us at will? Cole fucking Beasley?
To another poster's credit, are you guys cool watching Cole Beasley move the chains on us at will? Cole fucking Beasley?
Problem is Cole Beasley would be our number 2 this year :(
Thats why I prefer offense in the draft due to the fact I am not enamored with our skilled players outside Eli/OBJ.
To another poster's credit, are you guys cool watching Cole Beasley move the chains on us at will? Cole fucking Beasley?
the mere site of Cole Beasley makes me want to punch something. He is the epitome of a troll looking dude and reminds of Chris Elliott in everybody loves raymond when he wore that wig.