They brought him in and showed him the first class treatment. He is from a bigtime program.They checked on him all along. Why the flinch at the last moment? We have just as big a hole at WR.
when you worked at high levels within the intelligence complex.
The Giants entertained offers of trading down. Reese said it wasn't worthwhile, but in order to even consider it you have to have done enough due diligence on the prospects in the next tier to be able to value them accordingly. Thus, they did plenty of detailed work on guys that they knew they were never going to select at 10.
Since I've been a huge Treadwell proponent here this is a good spot for me to vent about the draft response on this forum. I was disappointed when the Giants didn't pick him in that spot. I think he will be a fine player and I think he would have had a major positive impact on the Giants season next year.
But here's the thing. The Giants don't draft to please me. They have a whole team of scouts who get paid to evaluate players and I don't think they do that by reading draft publications and watching YouTube tapes. They study these guys in depth and guess what? They had Apple higher on their board than Treadwell. They picked who they believed was the best player (without injury or behavior complications) after a very exhaustive evaluation process. As a fan I was disappointed...until I read more about this kid's tools. In the NFL, you need three or four quality corners. The Giants had two. I was hoping for a tradedown myself, but you have to have a willing partner who offers fair value. The bottom line is NFL teams don't base their picks on the buzz generated in the magazines, mocks and website speculation that serve as Holy script for the draft geek universe.
Can the NFL guys be wrong? All the time, but they don't invest all that money in their personnel department not to follow their boards. Sure it's fair for them to be judged by their results and Reese and Comp. need to get some this year out of their recent drafts or they'll likely be gone. That doesn't mean they're listening to me shout draft Treadwell at my TV, nor should it. Now lets get a receiver and an OLman and as always, I'll be back happily on the blue bandwagon.
How many WRs were taken before Beckham? Treadwell is going to be a stud. Boldin ran a 4.93 - or something around that time - and has had a borderline HOF career.
Yes, Boldin was taken in the 2nd. But the thing about the draft is no one cares where they were picked so long as they produce. If Treadwell is a stud, no one would care if we picked him at 10. Same goes for Apple.
Pro day workouts raised a big of a concern. If you saw his runs then, he still seemed to be favoring his surgically repaired leg. He's more the Jordan Matthews possession type right now & teams might be concerned he will not gain that burst he had back in 2013.
The old adage? If he was in a race with a pregnant woman, he'd come in third
We need the ceiling to be the chimney in order to reach,along with a good height,weight,speed ratio.A workout tape similar to Drago in Rocky 4 is also preferred.
hes a solid WR but just not dynamic enough for #10 overall. I'd rather take a CB with size and speed who can play man coverage every single day of the week.
An immediate impact. I hate the fact Apple can not replace either corner from day one.
And back in the day (in the Spy biz) we always got our target. (Give Bronx cheer)
Why do we want him to replace our CB's day 1? We just paid the top FA CB on the market and we have DRC who's extremely productive when healthy? Why is everything about the now? We also don't just play 2 CB's...
An immediate impact. I hate the fact Apple can not replace either corner from day one.
And back in the day (in the Spy biz) we always got our target. (Give Bronx cheer)
How can you be sure Treadwell would start? Do you know something about Cruz the Giants don't? If Cruz is able to come back, Treadwell is not going to start. Problem is that we do not really know the status. Giants probably are not 100% sure of his status, but have a lot more information then any of us.
on the field for almost 40% of the plays last year.
Not sure how that doesn't give a guy a chance to make an immediate impact.
if that is true.
Is he playing in the nickle, who is the slot CB. Apple is an outside guy. So is DRC and JJ. Jackson would be a better choice against the slot WR.
We still have No FS too. If Apple could fill an immediate need or even slot in at FS the tenth pick makes more sense.
Now another Weapon for Eli in the Red Zone is what a 10 pick is for.
Dotson was there too. But Treadwell size would be huge, if you watch he gets open too. Anquan Bolden is a good comparison.
What's so difficult to understand here? The Giants assign a value to each draft prospect. They then draft the prospect that provides the best value to them, not to you. How do you interpret this a them flinching?
2 WRs landed in bad spots. Treadwell and Coleman. Both have a QB who doesn't have the ability to let them shine. Both will struggle to be productive as rookies because of QB play.
Since I've been a huge Treadwell proponent here this is a good spot for me to vent about the draft response on this forum. I was disappointed when the Giants didn't pick him in that spot. I think he will be a fine player and I think he would have had a major positive impact on the Giants season next year.
But here's the thing. The Giants don't draft to please me. They have a whole team of scouts who get paid to evaluate players and I don't think they do that by reading draft publications and watching YouTube tapes. They study these guys in depth and guess what? They had Apple higher on their board than Treadwell. They picked who they believed was the best player (without injury or behavior complications) after a very exhaustive evaluation process. As a fan I was disappointed...until I read more about this kid's tools. In the NFL, you need three or four quality corners. The Giants had two. I was hoping for a tradedown myself, but you have to have a willing partner who offers fair value. The bottom line is NFL teams don't base their picks on the buzz generated in the magazines, mocks and website speculation that serve as Holy script for the draft geek universe.
Can the NFL guys be wrong? All the time, but they don't invest all that money in their personnel department not to follow their boards. Sure it's fair for them to be judged by their results and Reese and Comp. need to get some this year out of their recent drafts or they'll likely be gone. That doesn't mean they're listening to me shout draft Treadwell at my TV, nor should it. Now lets get a receiver and an OLman and as always, I'll be back happily on the blue bandwagon.
You and I definitely disagreed on him, but this is a very fair take. Also, I would like to point out that Coleman and Doctson were taken over him... Coleman was my top receiver, I said he'd be the first receiver taken, and he was. Doctson was the second receiver on my board, and the top one in terms of fit for the Giants... Will Fuller was taken one spot ahead of him. A bit of a surprise to me, I though Fuller's small hands would put him late 1st or second, but obviously the speed was enthralling. I said Treadwell was no better than the 4th receiver on my board, and he was the 4th receiver taken.
One is Jeff Janis who was drafted in the 7th round and the shorter lighter slower one is OBJ who went with the 12th pick overall. That was stupid since we could have gotten a similar athlete later and thus OBJ was a reach in the first.
Of course then we wouldn't have one of the best WRs in the game, but you know Janis's 4 career catches is close.
than just running fast like say... Catching the ball... Running good routes... Catching a ball in traffic... being physical in both the receiving game and running game. Some people are just better football players than athletes and some people are better athletes than football players. 6'3 230lbs FS that runs 4.31 and has a vertical of 41 inches while staring on championship teams... Taylor Mayes ... Earl Thomas 5'10 207lbs FS that runs 4.37 with only a 33 inch vertical. Which is better? The bigger, faster, better athlete or Pro bowler Earl Thomas?
Had even worse measurables. Want his vertical like 29"?
The difference there is field speed. Antonio flies on the field. They tracked his MPH on the field last year and it was damn fast.
Treadwell doesn't play fast. Many of the reports say things like "not a burner". But it's much worse then that. His timed speed is bottom of the barrel and very few overcome it and can play in the NFL at that speed.
How about Malcom Kelly? Big sized guy like Treadwell but not enormous like Evans. Dominated in college. Could not get open in NFL. There are a lot of them like that. That's the risk with Treadwell.
The Giants entertained offers of trading down. Reese said it wasn't worthwhile, but in order to even consider it you have to have done enough due diligence on the prospects in the next tier to be able to value them accordingly. Thus, they did plenty of detailed work on guys that they knew they were never going to select at 10.
But here's the thing. The Giants don't draft to please me. They have a whole team of scouts who get paid to evaluate players and I don't think they do that by reading draft publications and watching YouTube tapes. They study these guys in depth and guess what? They had Apple higher on their board than Treadwell. They picked who they believed was the best player (without injury or behavior complications) after a very exhaustive evaluation process. As a fan I was disappointed...until I read more about this kid's tools. In the NFL, you need three or four quality corners. The Giants had two. I was hoping for a tradedown myself, but you have to have a willing partner who offers fair value. The bottom line is NFL teams don't base their picks on the buzz generated in the magazines, mocks and website speculation that serve as Holy script for the draft geek universe.
Can the NFL guys be wrong? All the time, but they don't invest all that money in their personnel department not to follow their boards. Sure it's fair for them to be judged by their results and Reese and Comp. need to get some this year out of their recent drafts or they'll likely be gone. That doesn't mean they're listening to me shout draft Treadwell at my TV, nor should it. Now lets get a receiver and an OLman and as always, I'll be back happily on the blue bandwagon.
Yes, Boldin was taken in the 2nd. But the thing about the draft is no one cares where they were picked so long as they produce. If Treadwell is a stud, no one would care if we picked him at 10. Same goes for Apple.
The old adage? If he was in a race with a pregnant woman, he'd come in third
2 players. The first is Treadwell; guess the second
40 yd dash: 4.63 4.49
20 yd shuttle: 4.29 4.18
3 cone: 7.05 6.86
vert: 33.5 36.5
Ht. 6'2" 6'2"
Wt 221 216
We need the ceiling to be the chimney in order to reach,along with a good height,weight,speed ratio.A workout tape similar to Drago in Rocky 4 is also preferred.
And back in the day (in the Spy biz) we always got our target. (Give Bronx cheer)
Not sure how that doesn't give a guy a chance to make an immediate impact.
And back in the day (in the Spy biz) we always got our target. (Give Bronx cheer)
Why do we want him to replace our CB's day 1? We just paid the top FA CB on the market and we have DRC who's extremely productive when healthy? Why is everything about the now? We also don't just play 2 CB's...
And back in the day (in the Spy biz) we always got our target. (Give Bronx cheer)
How can you be sure Treadwell would start? Do you know something about Cruz the Giants don't? If Cruz is able to come back, Treadwell is not going to start. Problem is that we do not really know the status. Giants probably are not 100% sure of his status, but have a lot more information then any of us.
Not sure how that doesn't give a guy a chance to make an immediate impact.
Is he playing in the nickle, who is the slot CB. Apple is an outside guy. So is DRC and JJ. Jackson would be a better choice against the slot WR.
We still have No FS too. If Apple could fill an immediate need or even slot in at FS the tenth pick makes more sense.
Now another Weapon for Eli in the Red Zone is what a 10 pick is for.
Dotson was there too. But Treadwell size would be huge, if you watch he gets open too. Anquan Bolden is a good comparison.
2 players. The first is Treadwell; guess the second
40 yd dash: 4.63 4.49
20 yd shuttle: 4.29 4.18
3 cone: 7.05 6.86
vert: 33.5 36.5
Ht. 6'2" 6'2"
Wt 221 216
Davis
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but not particularly speedy or quick.
2 players. The first is Treadwell; guess the second
40 yd dash: 4.63 4.49
20 yd shuttle: 4.29 4.18
3 cone: 7.05 6.86
vert: 33.5 36.5
Ht. 6'2" 6'2"
Wt 221 216
Davis
2 WRs landed in bad spots. Treadwell and Coleman. Both have a QB who doesn't have the ability to let them shine. Both will struggle to be productive as rookies because of QB play.
But here's the thing. The Giants don't draft to please me. They have a whole team of scouts who get paid to evaluate players and I don't think they do that by reading draft publications and watching YouTube tapes. They study these guys in depth and guess what? They had Apple higher on their board than Treadwell. They picked who they believed was the best player (without injury or behavior complications) after a very exhaustive evaluation process. As a fan I was disappointed...until I read more about this kid's tools. In the NFL, you need three or four quality corners. The Giants had two. I was hoping for a tradedown myself, but you have to have a willing partner who offers fair value. The bottom line is NFL teams don't base their picks on the buzz generated in the magazines, mocks and website speculation that serve as Holy script for the draft geek universe.
Can the NFL guys be wrong? All the time, but they don't invest all that money in their personnel department not to follow their boards. Sure it's fair for them to be judged by their results and Reese and Comp. need to get some this year out of their recent drafts or they'll likely be gone. That doesn't mean they're listening to me shout draft Treadwell at my TV, nor should it. Now lets get a receiver and an OLman and as always, I'll be back happily on the blue bandwagon.
You and I definitely disagreed on him, but this is a very fair take. Also, I would like to point out that Coleman and Doctson were taken over him... Coleman was my top receiver, I said he'd be the first receiver taken, and he was. Doctson was the second receiver on my board, and the top one in terms of fit for the Giants... Will Fuller was taken one spot ahead of him. A bit of a surprise to me, I though Fuller's small hands would put him late 1st or second, but obviously the speed was enthralling. I said Treadwell was no better than the 4th receiver on my board, and he was the 4th receiver taken.
I await a job offer for a scouting job. :P
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but not particularly speedy or quick.
2 players. The first is Treadwell; guess the second
40 yd dash: 4.63 4.49
20 yd shuttle: 4.29 4.18
3 cone: 7.05 6.86
vert: 33.5 36.5
Ht. 6'2" 6'2"
Wt 221 216
Davis
Correct. We got a similar athlete many rounds later. One could argue that Treadwell was a big reach in the first round.
One could not argue that at all. That is just stupid really.
2 Players from 2014 draft...
40 yd dash: 4.42 4.43
20 yd shuttle: 3.98 3.94
3 cone: 6.64 6.69
vert: 37.5 38.5
Ht. 6'3" 5'11"
Wt 219 198
One is Jeff Janis who was drafted in the 7th round and the shorter lighter slower one is OBJ who went with the 12th pick overall. That was stupid since we could have gotten a similar athlete later and thus OBJ was a reach in the first.
Of course then we wouldn't have one of the best WRs in the game, but you know Janis's 4 career catches is close.
The difference there is field speed. Antonio flies on the field. They tracked his MPH on the field last year and it was damn fast.
Treadwell doesn't play fast. Many of the reports say things like "not a burner". But it's much worse then that. His timed speed is bottom of the barrel and very few overcome it and can play in the NFL at that speed.
How about Malcom Kelly? Big sized guy like Treadwell but not enormous like Evans. Dominated in college. Could not get open in NFL. There are a lot of them like that. That's the risk with Treadwell.