...that they can rely on? We all know that the current iteration of the NFL is a passing league and we amazingly only have one weapon at WR. As you look at the roster and the holes that remain, to me, WR sticks out like a sore thumb.
Are we waiting to potentially sign a veteran? Does this team think they can get away with the 'talent' already on the roster?
Admittedly, I don't know as much about college players as others here so I'm curious if there are other WR's still available in the draft who are capable of contributing on day 1?
So what's the current plan and what do you want/expect to see happen?
Carroo in Round 3
Peake in Round 4
Problem is the team is so thin at so many positions that we don't have enough thumbs to fill all the holes in the dyke.
My question was more geared towards the offseason as a whole and what seems to be a lack of effort to even try and find true #2. We made no effort to re-sign Randle (which I agreed with) but we also made no known effort to address this glaring need.
So I'm asking the question in all seriousness, what is our current plan at this point in the offseason? I see everyone clamoring for Myles Jack in round 2 but we haven't spent a dime on our offense (while we've spent a kings ransom + a 1st rd pick on our defense) when it's in need of some major improvement.
Read my post above before making snide, useless, remarks.
You don't need household names at every position. You won't be able to field a roster with household names at every position. It's simply not possible.
The Giants won super bowls with journeyman at some positions, including WR. Maybe a guy like Myles White can emerge as a decent player, even if not nearly elite. Maybe that's good enough to sort of hold things together. Maybe Cruz is in fact OK.
The Giants also likely draft a WR today or early tomorrow.
Common sense says they will probably draft one, maybe as early as tonight. And then maybe bring whatever remaining free agent is out there to camp or find a late cut in Sept.
that's about it...
You don't need household names at every position. You won't be able to field a roster with household names at every position. It's simply not possible.
The Giants won super bowls with journeyman at some positions, including WR. Maybe a guy like Myles White can emerge as a decent player, even if not nearly elite. Maybe that's good enough to sort of hold things together. Maybe Cruz is in fact OK.
The Giants also likely draft a WR today or early tomorrow.
Seems like wishful thinking.
Common sense says they will probably draft one, maybe as early as tonight. And then maybe bring whatever remaining free agent is out there to camp or find a late cut in Sept.
that's about it...
I don't, I'm asking what you think the plan is and what options are still available.
Actually I think Shepard, Boyd and Carroo could all be starters, just not a #1. But we have a #1.
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didn't address all our needs with one pick. dammitt.
Read my post above before making snide, useless, remarks.
Sorry, but on this board, if you bend over and drop trou, don't be surprised when you get whacked.
"Do the Giants realize?" Is condescending, and given that the passing game is the core of the offense, yes, it's a safe bet that they 'realize'.
Maybe a title like "How are the Giants going to improve their WR corps?" would be more conducive to a serious conversation.
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didn't address all our needs with one pick. dammitt.
Read my post above before making snide, useless, remarks.
Your initial post invited ridicule.
Sorry, but on this board, if you bend over and drop trou, don't be surprised when you get whacked.
"Do the Giants realize?" Is condescending, and given that the passing game is the core of the offense, yes, it's a safe bet that they 'realize'.
Maybe a title like "How are the Giants going to improve their WR corps?" would be more conducive to a serious conversation.
I clarified my position, and yes the current Giants front office deserves plenty of criticism.
You don't need household names at every position. You won't be able to field a roster with household names at every position. It's simply not possible.
The Giants won super bowls with journeyman at some positions, including WR. Maybe a guy like Myles White can emerge as a decent player, even if not nearly elite. Maybe that's good enough to sort of hold things together. Maybe Cruz is in fact OK.
The Giants also likely draft a WR today or early tomorrow.
LMAO so we have a #2 and #3 but you just don't name who they are? Who are these people?
Also, you say we don't have a #2 or #3 but we do have a fully rehabilitated Cruz.
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knows what the Giant's plan is at WR?
Common sense says they will probably draft one, maybe as early as tonight. And then maybe bring whatever remaining free agent is out there to camp or find a late cut in Sept.
that's about it...
I don't, I'm asking what you think the plan is and what options are still available.
There is still a good 4 to 5 WRs that will be drafted betweens round 2 and 5, it's just a matter of which one the Giants like and which round they decide to grab the player in. It's not like they are totally unaware of what their roster needs are.
Also, you say we don't have a #2 or #3 but we do have a fully rehabilitated Cruz.
Counting on Cruz this year would be like counting on David Wilson in 2014. Hope for the best but be prepares for the worst.
You don't need household names at every position. You won't be able to field a roster with household names at every position. It's simply not possible.
The Giants won super bowls with journeyman at some positions, including WR. Maybe a guy like Myles White can emerge as a decent player, even if not nearly elite. Maybe that's good enough to sort of hold things together. Maybe Cruz is in fact OK.
The Giants also likely draft a WR today or early tomorrow.
I agree with Josh that it's not about this draft. By last night, I wouldn't have drafted and still wouldn't draft a single one. I'd trade for one already proven but that's a different story. I didn't like Randle but IMO "addition by subtraction" is a fantasy and something you just say to fill dead air. At the point when Randle signed, and he the absolute last quality guy on the market, their whole pan was, "we don't want him". There wasn't anything else. I didn't like Randle, but they should have signed him. Then and only then does this draft make the team better than they were. As a whole, and for sure offensively.
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but strap on your seatbelts for the season because no starters here.
Actually I think Shepard, Boyd and Carroo could all be starters, just not a #1. But we have a #1.
And, I vehemently disagree with the notion of #1 and #2. Its right and left (or whatever). It's not #1 and #2 OT or DE. #1 and #2 denote depth position; this is not that.
Yep. All have the game to start and contribute significantly as the #2 WR. WR and RB are the easiest positions to transfer productivity from college to the NFL.
Another foolish post before reading the thread!
And I suspect you did the same thing.
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but strap on your seatbelts for the season because no starters here.
Actually I think Shepard, Boyd and Carroo could all be starters, just not a #1. But we have a #1.
I should clarify. They can be starters because the rules require you start *someone*.
And, I vehemently disagree with the notion of #1 and #2. Its right and left (or whatever). It's not #1 and #2 OT or DE. #1 and #2 denote depth position; this is not that.
I too should clarify. They all are legitimate starter quality, just not as good as Beckham. But how many teams have 2 starters as good as Beckham?
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
JFC
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
Have you seen the teams the Giants have fielded over the last 4 seasons? I think they've earned the criticism of whether they know the makeup of their roster. And yes, I'm expecting serious responses when I ask a serious question about potential strategy and player availability.
If it's later (maybe round 4) Kolby Listenbee would work with Beckham and Cruz/Harris.
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expecting serious responses here?
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
Have you seen the teams the Giants have fielded over the last 4 seasons? I think they've earned the criticism of whether they know the makeup of their roster. And yes, I'm expecting serious responses when I ask a serious question about potential strategy and player availability.
Sure, they've earned the criticism, but I think it's pretty clear they know the make up of the roster. They know it better than you ever will.
Don't know much about him but it would be great to have a legit every down #1 TE who would be a reliable threat in the passing game and also block well.
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expecting serious responses here?
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
Have you seen the teams the Giants have fielded over the last 4 seasons? I think they've earned the criticism of whether they know the makeup of their roster. And yes, I'm expecting serious responses when I ask a serious question about potential strategy and player availability.
Sure, they've earned the criticism, but I think it's pretty clear they know the make up of the roster. They know it better than you ever will.
Perfect, then at least try and make the necessary moves to fill the holes and fix it.
Anthony Dable baby! ALL YEAR LONG
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expecting serious responses here?
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
Have you seen the teams the Giants have fielded over the last 4 seasons? I think they've earned the criticism of whether they know the makeup of their roster. And yes, I'm expecting serious responses when I ask a serious question about potential strategy and player availability.
Sure, they've earned the criticism, but I think it's pretty clear they know the make up of the roster. They know it better than you ever will.
Perfect, then at least try and make the necessary moves to fill the holes and fix it.
Which move should they have made last night? Was drafting a 3rd CB (a need position with how much we play nickel and with DRC known to come off the field from time to time) not a necessary move as well?
The point I'm making Josh, is you just don't agree with the moves or stances they made. Still doesn't mean they don't know the make up of their own roster.
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expecting serious responses here?
You are directly insinuating that the team doesn't know the makeup of their roster, their needs and a plan to rectify it.
Why don't you go to a space geeks website and ask why NASA doesn't know the design of their next space vehicle.
Have you seen the teams the Giants have fielded over the last 4 seasons? I think they've earned the criticism of whether they know the makeup of their roster. And yes, I'm expecting serious responses when I ask a serious question about potential strategy and player availability.
Sure, they've earned the criticism, but I think it's pretty clear they know the make up of the roster. They know it better than you ever will.
Perfect, then at least try and make the necessary moves to fill the holes and fix it.
Which move should they have made last night? Was drafting a 3rd CB (a need position with how much we play nickel and with DRC known to come off the field from time to time) not a necessary move as well?
The point I'm making Josh, is you just don't agree with the moves or stances they made. Still doesn't mean they don't know the make up of their own roster.
I'm not saying last night. As I've stated multiple times above I'm talking about the entire offseason. There wasn't even a single report of them talking to a FA WR. When you're exploring improving a specific position, there's almost always some smoke signals that media and fans are able to see. It just seems like we've completely ignored the position up to this pt in the offseason and that's what I was referring to.
It's stupid and will likely blow up miserably on them (though obviously I hope otherwise), but it's realistically been the most likely route they were going to take from the start of this offseason.
It's stupid and will likely blow up miserably on them (though obviously I hope otherwise), but it's realistically been the most likely route they were going to take from the start of this offseason.
Agreed - Cruz should be treated as a call option at this point. Counting on him is absurdly risky.
I'm pretty sure the Giants are aware there's a need there. I'm also pretty sure it's impossible to plug all of our holes in one round.
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to say the Giants don't have a #2 or #3 WR is flat out false. They have guys on the roster and these aren't rookies. Some of them are even accomplished.
You don't need household names at every position. You won't be able to field a roster with household names at every position. It's simply not possible.
The Giants won super bowls with journeyman at some positions, including WR. Maybe a guy like Myles White can emerge as a decent player, even if not nearly elite. Maybe that's good enough to sort of hold things together. Maybe Cruz is in fact OK.
The Giants also likely draft a WR today or early tomorrow.
LMAO so we have a #2 and #3 but you just don't name who they are? Who are these people?
Do I really need to spell it out for you? Go check the frickin roster page if you need help. And I did name Myles White. And I think you know who Victor Cruz is. Granted he's a risk...HE IS on the roster. He just might play.