From what I've seen, and it's not a thorough film study by any means, Shepard appears to be a smaller, slot type receiver.
Aren't the Giants in need of a true wideout? Maybe someone taller? They have Cruz for the slot, backed-up by Harris/Edwards, but no true outside, red-zone threat.
It seems like a Peake or Thomas type player might be a better fit.
Help me understand why folks are calling for Shepard.
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The "thinkset" since Welker in 2007?
Beckham's not the tallest guy around. Shephard could play on the outside. But you'd like to have a taller wideout at least for the red zone situations.
Shepard would be nice insurance, and a guy that could play fairly soon too anyway...
Without a Shepard, the sheep will roam. You herd.
It's pretty simple. Dates back to Thrilly's second-favorite book The Bible - ever heard it? (Thrilliam Jefferson Clinton's first-favorite book is of course 'Congo' by Michael Crichton, my goodness what a thrill ride).
More relvvant, Sterling is Sharp(e). The Shepard has some elite movement skills and a surprisingly advanced degree in route definitions. A plug-and-play regular in a 3WR passing O. The sheep will follow him into the end zone.
It was fun playing basketball with Plaxico and Shockey and Toomer but Ben's O is much more clever and nuanced, so I guess with all these smurfs we are playing ...idk...soccer? The Pats move the ball with a similar methodical model but we can't replicate Gronk...then again, they don't have Odell.
Hope that helps
Without a Shepard, the sheep will roam. You herd.
It's pretty simple. Dates back to Thrilly's second-favorite book The Bible - ever heard it? (Thrilliam Jefferson Clinton's first-favorite book is of course 'Congo' by Michael Crichton, my goodness what a thrill ride).
More relvvant, Sterling is Sharp(e). The Shepard has some elite movement skills and a surprisingly advanced degree in route definitions. A plug-and-play regular in a 3WR passing O. The sheep will follow him into the end zone.
It was fun playing basketball with Plaxico and Shockey and Toomer but Ben's O is much more clever and nuanced, so I guess with all these smurfs we are playing ...idk...soccer? The Pats move the ball with a similar methodical model but we can't replicate Gronk...then again, they don't have Odell.
Hope that helps
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Without a Shepard, the sheep will roam. You herd.
It's pretty simple. Dates back to Thrilly's second-favorite book The Bible - ever heard it? (Thrilliam Jefferson Clinton's first-favorite book is of course 'Congo' by Michael Crichton, my goodness what a thrill ride).
More relvvant, Sterling is Sharp(e). The Shepard has some elite movement skills and a surprisingly advanced degree in route definitions. A plug-and-play regular in a 3WR passing O. The sheep will follow him into the end zone.
It was fun playing basketball with Plaxico and Shockey and Toomer but Ben's O is much more clever and nuanced, so I guess with all these smurfs we are playing ...idk...soccer? The Pats move the ball with a similar methodical model but we can't replicate Gronk...then again, they don't have Odell.
Hope that helps
Okay "chief" but as you probably know, the Giants and Pats do not play the same offensive system. The Packers, where McAdoo came from, have always had taller outside receivers - e.g. Nelson, Jones.
While I do understand that shorter receivers can play outside (e.g. Beckham), the reality is that the Giants currently have a group of shorter receivers, with the exception of Davis and Dable. Once in the red zone everything gets compacted, and having a bigger player for slants, and fades becomes even more important.
But do the Giants want to have 5 receivers on the team at 5 '10" and shorter?
I'm not sold on any of the other bigger WR's certainty to develop into something better than Shepard is right now for the game he plays. Shepard is only 5'10" but he's a strong and solid 194, did 20 reps on the BP, can run a 4.48 40, has 41" vertical often out leaping taller defenders, runs great routes, can get immediate separation, and has hands like glue with very few drops. And he has always been a coach's dream type hard worker with solid character.
I hope Victor Cruz can come back, but frankly, I'm not hopeful, and if he does, I don't believe he's going to be the same WR he was during his one great season. Further, he CAN play the #2 if he has to. And the Giants do have other taller WR's on the roster, though admittedly they are unproven. So, while a bigger taller WR with as much talent and production as Shepard would be ideal, I wouldn't force a pick for a a bigger WR who isn't when a better receiver is still on the board. And a talent like Shepard doesn't always have to be in the slot, hopefully, he would be moved around.
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He has everything you look for in a WR. Excellent deep speed, ran a 4.43, runs excellent routes and is considered a great technician, strong, put up excellent rep numbers. He's better version of our own Steve Smith and he played on the outside. He'd be a great fit for the offense. You don't have to be 6'+ to play on the outside.
But do the Giants want to have 5 receivers on the team at 5 '10" and shorter?
Just who are these 5 WR? Harris is the only other 5'10" WR of note. I like tall WR as well but talent is more important than height.
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He has everything you look for in a WR. Excellent deep speed, ran a 4.43, runs excellent routes and is considered a great technician, strong, put up excellent rep numbers. He's better version of our own Steve Smith and he played on the outside. He'd be a great fit for the offense. You don't have to be 6'+ to play on the outside.
But do the Giants want to have 5 receivers on the team at 5 '10" and shorter?
Just who are these 5 WR? Harris is the only other 5'10" WR of note. I like tall WR as well but talent is more important than height.
OBJ, Harris, Edwards, Cruz, Shepard
Give me Southern Miss Michael Thomas over OSU Michael Thomas.
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It's real simple, pal.
Without a Shepard, the sheep will roam. You herd.
It's pretty simple. Dates back to Thrilly's second-favorite book The Bible - ever heard it? (Thrilliam Jefferson Clinton's first-favorite book is of course 'Congo' by Michael Crichton, my goodness what a thrill ride).
More relvvant, Sterling is Sharp(e). The Shepard has some elite movement skills and a surprisingly advanced degree in route definitions. A plug-and-play regular in a 3WR passing O. The sheep will follow him into the end zone.
It was fun playing basketball with Plaxico and Shockey and Toomer but Ben's O is much more clever and nuanced, so I guess with all these smurfs we are playing ...idk...soccer? The Pats move the ball with a similar methodical model but we can't replicate Gronk...then again, they don't have Odell.
Hope that helps
Okay "chief" but as you probably know, the Giants and Pats do not play the same offensive system. The Packers, where McAdoo came from, have always had taller outside receivers - e.g. Nelson, Jones.
While I do understand that shorter receivers can play outside (e.g. Beckham), the reality is that the Giants currently have a group of shorter receivers, with the exception of Davis and Dable. Once in the red zone everything gets compacted, and having a bigger player for slants, and fades becomes even more important.
Tommy Boy!
The tone of your post is aggressive and confrontational. Tensions are high. Thrilly love it, man. The Thrill Ride will step into the ring, even for a jobber.
Do you wanna describe to everyone what exactly NE's system is? Save your energy because they redefine it only a weekly basis. The key staple remains their creativity in creating space; they stretch the field horizontally with their smurfs and use their TE as the deep threat, essentially inverting the geometry of modern offense. Wild stuff!
The lesson from NE is this: don't be dogmatic in anything you do, and capitalize on space as it's afforded to you in any form.
Of course, we don't have Gronk, but we have Odell who challenges defenses in different ways. His presence dictates a lot of man coverage, and his verticality of course creates favorable opportunities for him teammates.
Reuben was a big receiver with some of the red zone characteristics you described, but defenses were often pretty content to let their perimeter CB handle him individually with off-coverage and inside tech.
The Packers? Greg Jennings. Driver. Cobb. None of these guys are plus-sized. Nelson doesn't win with size -- he's just a great all-around receiver, not some one dimensional jumpball specialist. And Nelson himself has been semi-regularly used in the slot, which brings up another key point -- scheme versatility. All of GB receivers are/were deft players who could line up anywhere and produce, and that's a model Ben has certainly valued.
Bringing it back to Shepard, the currency here is not size. It's the ability to get open and win vs man coverage, whether it's in the perimeter or in the slot. That's a huge asset in the NYG offense and truthfully any offense. That alone would be a huge improvement over Randle.
Sure, we can't throw him fades but he can help us in a lot of other ways. Especially if we continue to be as open-minded as both NE and GB have been.
Thrill Ride also likes Michael Thomas of THE Ohio State in part because of the size/speed index. But believes Shepard will be the pick.
Hope this helps.
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He has everything you look for in a WR. Excellent deep speed, ran a 4.43, runs excellent routes and is considered a great technician, strong, put up excellent rep numbers. He's better version of our own Steve Smith and he played on the outside. He'd be a great fit for the offense. You don't have to be 6'+ to play on the outside.
But do the Giants want to have 5 receivers on the team at 5 '10" and shorter?
Just who are these 5 WR? Harris is the only other 5'10" WR of note. I like tall WR as well but talent is more important than height.
OBJ, Harris, Edwards, Cruz, Shepard
You need to go read the roster heights and Edwards is a long shot to make the team
Shep is a guy who looks like he could take advantage of the space that Odell opens up for the rest of the team. His movement skills are infinitely better than Randle's was. SS will make more defenders miss on YAC plays in his rookie season than Randle did during his entire tenure for us.
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He has everything you look for in a WR. Excellent deep speed, ran a 4.43, runs excellent routes and is considered a great technician, strong, put up excellent rep numbers. He's better version of our own Steve Smith and he played on the outside. He'd be a great fit for the offense. You don't have to be 6'+ to play on the outside.
But do the Giants want to have 5 receivers on the team at 5 '10" and shorter?
Just who are these 5 WR? Harris is the only other 5'10" WR of note. I like tall WR as well but talent is more important than height.
OBJ, Harris, Edwards, Cruz, Shepard
You need to go read the roster heights and Edwards is a long shot to make the team
The heights on the roster are "enhanced," and currently Edwards is on the team, and likely to make the roster, unless someone else is chosen in the draft.
He also ran a 7.0 cone and a 4.28 shuttle--both of which are really crap for a 5'10" WR.
But then his bench press was off the charts. He is a hard one to diagnose. The next Steve Smith? Or a guy who won't get open against NFL corners? You can make an argument either way.
you guessed it...
Thrilled.
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had a 41 inch vert and ran 4.48 at the combine...damn. Athlete!
He also ran a 7.0 cone and a 4.28 shuttle--both of which are really crap for a 5'10" WR.
But then his bench press was off the charts. He is a hard one to diagnose. The next Steve Smith? Or a guy who won't get open against NFL corners? You can make an argument either way.
Don't bother telling that to those with their own "boards" who have been watching "film."