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The only concern I have with the defense now

Jay on the Island : 4/29/2016 1:03 pm : link

is at FS and Spags. Spags has all the weapons he needs to have a top 10 defense especially if young players like Odi, Collins, Kennard, Berhe, and Bromley improve.
The defense has added a healthy JPP, Berhe, Jackson, Hankins to go along with Vernon, Harrison, Jenkins, Apple, and Robinson. There is more talent on defense than the Giants have had in a while.

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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/29/2016 1:07 pm : link

This Defense goes from being a laughing stock to at least being competitive.

Yep, we still have work to do with the LineBackers and Safeties, but progress has certainly been made.

Spags has no excuses. His resume in recent years has quite frankly been pathetic. But he has legit assets on that side of the ball to play with now, can't wait to see it.

more

George from PA : 4/29/2016 1:13 pm : link

Bennett/Berhe better then Merriweather

Hanlon better then injured Hankins

Kennard better then Kennard replacement

I dont know

MotownGIANTS : 4/29/2016 1:14 pm : link

if I am QB I target Apple for the PI and automatic 1st ....

The 2nd level AKA the Linebackers still suck

Torrag : 4/29/2016 1:16 pm : link

Su's Cravens #40 would go a long way to balancing things out.

RE: more

The Turk : 4/29/2016 1:32 pm : link

In comment 12933078 George from PA said:

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Hanlon better then injured Hankins

Pat is really working on his game

Our LBs are fine

ANGPASS : 4/29/2016 1:33 pm : link

But i would take Jack because we would have a game breaking playmaker at ever unit. But i would still want an edge rusher but would be happy with an OL or WR.

Huge?

averagejoe : 4/29/2016 1:36 pm : link

An improvement but our defense is scaring nobody. Will Kennard or Behrle or OO stay on the field this year? Or do we just assume they have improved on IR?

I think the upgrade has been from horrific to shaky. Still no pass rushers that scare anyone.

defense still needs help

xman : 4/29/2016 1:38 pm : link

thats howe pathetic they were and have been. Our LB's are still the bottom of the barrel and the Safety situation is uncomfortable. Sorry to have to dump on offense but you cannot trot out that group of misfits on defense and expect to win

RE: The only concern I have with the defense now

Matt M. : 4/29/2016 1:40 pm : link

In comment 12933027 Jay on the Island said:

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is at FS and Spags. Spags has all the weapons he needs to have a top 10 defense especially if young players like Odi, Collins, Kennard, Berhe, and Bromley improve.
The defense has added a healthy JPP, Berhe, Jackson, Hankins to go along with Vernon, Harrison, Jenkins, Apple, and Robinson. There is more talent on defense than the Giants have had in a while.

Top 10? Hell no. The defense certainly improved. But, they were dead last and one of the historically worst defenses last year. I think, realistically, this D can improve the tune of middle of the pack, ranked in the high teens.

'Our LBs are fine'...

Torrag : 4/29/2016 1:42 pm : link

...LOL. They are the furthest thing from fine. There isn't a playmaker in that unit and hasn't been since AP lost his edge.

Better yes

arniefez : 4/29/2016 1:44 pm : link

good enough to be a playoff team? Probably not yet. There is still a lack of coverage LB's. The Giants have been killed on 3rd down for years. Their sub LB's run like OL's. The Giants need speed at LB for 3rd downs. They need nickel and dime LB's. Yes I know those terms refer to DB's. But you get my point.

Free Safety

PaulN : 4/29/2016 1:47 pm : link

Is not nearly the concern it was, we now have a better pass rush, a better set of corners, the strong safety is now a good player, I have a feeling that this defense will be a lot better by mid season then we saw last season, I am really excited now, we were just horrible last season. It was embarrassing, now we have a defense to rally behind.

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ArcadeSlumlord : 4/29/2016 1:52 pm : link

but if Unga plays a single meaningful snap at LB this season, then we have failed miserably this offseason.

we have a long way to go on our defense

mdc1 : 4/29/2016 1:56 pm : link

btw...last nights pick was not exactly a difference maker as a #1.

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christian : 4/29/2016 1:59 pm : link

I'll hunt down the actual number if I have time later, but at many points in the season opposing QBs had the most time to throw per pass in the NFL.

Any improvement in that number will make the back 7 look a lot better. Thomas and Casillas are good tacklers. So is Colllins.

Having to literally keep coverage longer than any back 7 in the NFL was the main problem.

going from awful to average

DavidinBMNY : 4/29/2016 3:59 pm : link

Is a huge upgrade. And average defense is much more enjoyable to watch.

RE: 'Our LBs are fine'...

dg901 : 4/29/2016 5:42 pm : link

In comment 12933181 Torrag said:

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...LOL. They are the furthest thing from fine. There isn't a playmaker in that unit and hasn't been since AP lost his edge.

We only had Thomas and Cassilas for 1 year. Kennard dealt with injury again last year. We just signed 2 ILB's, Collins is starting his 2nd year, Mykkele Thompson is healthy (keep your fingers crossed) and Taylor Cooper is still healthy. It isn't all bad!

'It isn't all bad!'...

Torrag : 4/29/2016 5:46 pm : link

...I agree it isn't. We've improved our defense. But our linebacker corps is still one of the worst in the entire NFL. Robinson, Shepard and a possibly healthy Kennard don't change that. We also don't have a FS worth a damn on the roster. There's still work to do on this side of the ball. Hopefully we can add another legit piece tonight.

If the Dline

stockton : 4/29/2016 5:50 pm : link

plays as well as they should it will cover up some of the deficiencies behind them.

RE: I dont know

Jim Burt64 : 4/29/2016 5:56 pm : link

In comment 12933089 MotownGIANTS said:

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if I am QB I target Apple for the PI and automatic 1st ....

My concern as well... That kind of mugging wont fly in the NFL -

I think that Robinson and Sheppard can help at LB, but it

yatqb : 4/29/2016 5:57 pm : link

would be nice to get a stud one of these years. Still holes at LB and possibly FS, perhaps 3rd DE.

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