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Dr James Andrews: Myles Jack Does Not Need Microfracture

Jon in NYC : 4/29/2016 3:04 pm
Adam Schefter & #8207;@AdamSchefter 4m4 minutes ago
Dr. James Andrews, who examined Myles Jack in December, told the UCLA LB today that he does not need micro-fracture surgery.

Trade up and draft the man. Reward greatly outweighs the risk at this point.
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RE: I agree  
Jon in NYC : 4/29/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12933438 Rjanyg said:
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If you get Jack in round 2 and Apple in round 1 it would be like getting 2 1st round picks. If only Jerry had balls.


You mean like last year?
Browns  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 3:08 pm : link
would be dumb to trade the pick - fucking take him!!
Wouldn't teams already know this?  
illmatic : 4/29/2016 3:08 pm : link
Their doctors must be pretty qualified to review the matter. And wasn't one of the Giants doctors involved with the team that did Jack's surgery? I think it's more about the risk that he could need the surgery in the future at any time rather than needing it right now. We all know he doesn't need it now.
Not now, but perhaps in the future.......  
Simms11 : 4/29/2016 3:09 pm : link
His knee is a ticking bomb. Never know when there will be a problem. Use Kenny Phillips as an example of that. He could last 4 years before he has anymore issues?! No one can be sure and so he was a risk in the first round. All bets are off though from here on out. I'm sure his name will be called in this round.
no one has said Jack needs microfracture surgery NOW  
Giantsfan79 : 4/29/2016 3:10 pm : link
the fear is that with the wear and tear of an NFL linebacker, he's one hit, or several years, away from needing it.
illmatic  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:11 pm : link
exactly
RE: Does not need it now  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2016 3:11 pm : link
In comment 12933425 jlukes said:
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but what about the future? I never thought there was a question of him needing it now, but how his knee would react to further wear and tare


Exactly. What about the future?
I love the player  
old man : 4/29/2016 3:13 pm : link
but, until our medical staff, and training system can show a record of vast improvement over the tendencies and results of the previous 10+ years, someone else can enjoy his talents.
So the good doctor examined him in Dec but is just telling him today  
SwirlingEddie : 4/29/2016 3:13 pm : link
that he doesn't need additional surgery!? I don't think so.
RE: no one has said Jack needs microfracture surgery NOW  
shyster : 4/29/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12933451 Giantsfan79 said:
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the fear is that with the wear and tear of an NFL linebacker, he's one hit, or several years, away from needing it.


Actually, I heard Mayock say earlier on NFLN that some teams thought Jack needed the microfracture surgery now (or at least might need it).
That's not really news  
Matt M. : 4/29/2016 3:14 pm : link
The possibility of microfracture was just mentioned by Jack this week, but the overall stability of the leg has been in question for months. This is not a typical MCL injury. In fact, it is almost a unique one, so there really is no telling how it will hold up after surgery or even how long until near 100%.
The MCL is not the concern  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:16 pm : link
I believe they said the cartilage is no longer attached to the bone at all
Hasn't Russell Westbrook  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 3:17 pm : link
had like 7 knee scopes? Similar thing? He seems to be doing fine...
RE: That's not really news  
shyster : 4/29/2016 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12933466 Matt M. said:
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The possibility of microfracture was just mentioned by Jack this week, but the overall stability of the leg has been in question for months. This is not a typical MCL injury.


Not to be snarky to you, because I've seen other people post it, but he did not injure his MCL.

The only thing the lateral meniscus (which he did tear) and the medial collateral ligament (MCL) have in common is that "meniscus" and "medial" begin with the letters "me".
So James Andrews examined Jack  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2016 3:19 pm : link
in december, and says today Jack doesn't need microfracture.

yesterday, Jack said he didn't know if he would need it.

without another examination, what changed?

this is Jack from yesterday:

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(The degenerative problems are) there, but it's nothing extreme," Jack said, per the New York Post. "Down the line, possibly I could have microfracture surgery -- potentially. Who knows what will happen? Nobody knows how long anybody is going to play in this league. To play three years in this league would be above average."
Misleading.  
NorwoodWideRight : 4/29/2016 3:20 pm : link
Jack never said he needed microfracture surgery, and was referring to it as an option in the future should the degradation continue.
RE: Does not need it now  
Torn Tendon : 4/29/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12933425 jlukes said:
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but what about the future? I never thought there was a question of him needing it now, but how his knee would react to further wear and tare


Exactly. The report by Shefter was that Jacks doesn't need surgery now. As to the future, it's possible.
RE: Misleading.  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12933484 NorwoodWideRight said:
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Jack never said he needed microfracture surgery, and was referring to it as an option in the future should the degradation continue.


That is correct
RE: Jack's agent must be beside himself  
UConn4523 : 4/29/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12933421 JonC said:
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A day late and a dollar short.


Why on earth did his agent not comb the earth for info like this? You'd think Dr. Andrews would be call #1 if he saw him 4 months ago.
RE: Hasn't Russell Westbrook  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12933475 ryanmkeane said:
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had like 7 knee scopes? Similar thing? He seems to be doing fine...


Westbrook's bone and cartilage haven't begun to separate like Jack's has.
My guess is the agent reached out to try to get  
SwirlingEddie : 4/29/2016 3:23 pm : link
a positive sounding message out there and that what Andrews actually said was more limited or qualified than what the agent shared.
James Andrews  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 3:23 pm : link
did marvelous work with Bob Griffin too (sarcasm off)
From earlier this week  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:25 pm : link
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The repair of the lateral meniscus that tore off the bone when he suffered the injury in September is not the issue, according to several sources with direct knowledge of Jack's situation. Instead, the cartilage and bone have begun to separate, creating what is referred to by medical professionals as an osteochondral defect.

If or when the bone and cartilage fully separate, Jack will need to undergo another procedure and it will keep him out for a prolonged period of time. One possibility is microfracture surgery, though there are other options that teams have discussed


link  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:25 pm : link
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RE: RE: Jack's agent must be beside himself  
JonC : 4/29/2016 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12933490 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 12933421 JonC said:


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A day late and a dollar short.



Why on earth did his agent not comb the earth for info like this? You'd think Dr. Andrews would be call #1 if he saw him 4 months ago.


As others pointed out, this would be a follow-up to Jack's recent moment of honest admission.
I'd agree it's got to be a repeat  
JonC : 4/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
of info known back in December, but I don't know.
RE: RE: no one has said Jack needs microfracture surgery NOW  
Giantsfan79 : 4/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12933464 shyster said:
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In comment 12933451 Giantsfan79 said:


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the fear is that with the wear and tear of an NFL linebacker, he's one hit, or several years, away from needing it.



Actually, I heard Mayock say earlier on NFLN that some teams thought Jack needed the microfracture surgery now (or at least might need it).


Fair enough. Most of what I've read said this is a down the road thing/ticking time bomb.
Cliff notes for those not reading the entire thread:  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 3:27 pm : link

Myles Jack does not need microfracture surgery NOW, but may need it if the cartilage continues to separate from the bone.

Ticking

Time

Bomb
I think the reports saying that Jack would have been better  
NorwoodWideRight : 4/29/2016 3:29 pm : link
if he had kept his mouth shut are a bit of a stretch. The teams looking to draft a LB know the score on Jack and don't need to be reassured about the possibility of microfracture surgery. The problem is with the knee. It's never going to get better on its own. The timer on that knee is already ticking.
Most of the analysis I heard last night...  
njm : 4/29/2016 3:36 pm : link
was concerned that he would need microfracture surgery before the end of his first contract, not immediately.
Pipe dream  
averagejoe : 4/29/2016 3:39 pm : link
he will be gone and Jerry won't move up.
haha  
ron mexico : 4/29/2016 3:46 pm : link
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Things that could have been brought to my attention YESTERDAY! - ( New Window )
Who doesn't like AppleJack?  
Vanzetti : 4/29/2016 4:26 pm : link
Any time you can theme your picks to a famous American alcoholic beverage, you do it.

RE: Pipe dream  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12933562 averagejoe said:
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he will be gone and Jerry won't move up.


True. The Collins move up didn't happen last year. Similar to the faked moon landing
Ok...Jack tore his Meniscus, not his MCL.  
732NYG : 4/29/2016 4:38 pm : link
That's not really the issue they are speaking about. What the issue deals with is Jack's articular, or hyaline, cartilage. There is a layer of smooth cartilage that lines articular surfaces, and Jack has a defect with the blood supply to that area. It's not that it is coming detached, but it can degenerate or even die. It will also heal at a decreased rate.
Degenerative knee  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2016 4:43 pm : link
Mark Bavaro
Kenny Phillips

We've seen the result. Kinda tough to take a risk. Smith makes more sense.
RE: James Andrews  
rich in DC : 4/29/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12933499 Eric from BBI said:
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did marvelous work with Bob Griffin too (sarcasm off)


Remember that little shed the Skins set up during the playoff game to have Dr. Andrews examine Bob's knee- and how he let Bob play even after he re-injured it.

Sometimes we have to accept that Dr. Andrews interests do not coincide with that of the team doctors. The team doctors have their ties and job with the team on the line- if Dr. Andrew's misses the call, it doesn't impact him much- see how he escaped blame or ruin after Bob's fail.
Dallas will get him now  
Shadow : 4/29/2016 4:49 pm : link
Elliott and Jack and we used to laugh at Jerry.
RE: Degenerative knee  
Randy in CT : 4/29/2016 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12933774 Giants2012 said:
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Mark Bavaro
Kenny Phillips

We've seen the result. Kinda tough to take a risk. Smith makes more sense.
Because the drop foot isn't a big deal?
RE: Degenerative knee  
twostepgiants : 4/29/2016 4:59 pm : link
Weren't those two guys important key contributors to 3 Super Bowl wins for the Giants?


In comment 12933774 Giants2012 said:
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Mark Bavaro
Kenny Phillips

We've seen the result. Kinda tough to take a risk. Smith makes more sense.
RE: Ok...Jack tore his Meniscus, not his MCL.  
shyster : 4/29/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 12933762 732NYG said:
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That's not really the issue they are speaking about. What the issue deals with is Jack's articular, or hyaline, cartilage. There is a layer of smooth cartilage that lines articular surfaces, and Jack has a defect with the blood supply to that area. It's not that it is coming detached, but it can degenerate or even die. It will also heal at a decreased rate.



Jack tore his lateral meniscus in a particular (and unusual) way. The anterior horn of the lateral meniscus attaches to the tibia. He tore the attachment off the tibia and it had to be sewn back on. Not surprising that the injury caused a defect to the articular cartilage lining the tibial plateau.

But, with that granted as the context, the prognosis is all in the details, the medical records and the professional competency of the prognosticator.
RE: RE: Degenerative knee  
732NYG : 4/29/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12933798 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 12933774 Giants2012 said:


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Mark Bavaro
Kenny Phillips

We've seen the result. Kinda tough to take a risk. Smith makes more sense.

Because the drop foot isn't a big deal?


We don't know that he still has the drop foot. Is he still wearing an AFO?
RE: Oh b  
HeavyLevy : 4/29/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12933415 ryanmkeane said:
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I call so much bs. Myles Jack and his agent lied so he could fall.

Remember TOP 10 Pick LaEl Collins?

Nobody questioned that situation and it is sad because the Leauge made that up so Dallas could get him. So you have him "Supposedly" being involved in a Crime......

Then Collins who Had a tattoo of the Cowboys on his arm said " If I'm not drafted before the Fourth Round I WILL NOT SIGN with any team"

Then what do you know Dallas picks up a Top 10 Pick after going into the NFC championship.

What happens after? The Talk about the Crime VANISHED and he Plays the Following season.

NFL Has never mentioned this "Incident" ever again.


If I'm correct that was last year? Well isn't it Ironic how it sets them up Perfectly Now that they Drafted Elliot?


Hmm  
HeavyLevy : 4/29/2016 5:34 pm : link
Does anyone think the Giants Trade up?

'Dr James Andrews: Myles Jack Does Not Need Microfracture'...  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 5:38 pm : link
...yet.

The concern is if and when he will need it.
Even if available  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2016 6:10 pm : link
Please PASS!!!!!!! We don't need the headache. I'm sick and tire of seeing our defensive players in street clothes.
RE: Hmm  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12933881 HeavyLevy said:
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Does anyone think the Giants Trade up?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
RE: James Andrews  
Boy Cord : 4/29/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 12933499 Eric from BBI said:
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did marvelous work with Bob Griffin too (sarcasm off)


He brought a Benny Hill element to that circus.
RE: RE: Oh b  
Modus Operandi : 4/29/2016 6:20 pm : link
In comment 12933858 HeavyLevy said:
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In comment 12933415 ryanmkeane said:


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I call so much bs. Myles Jack and his agent lied so he could fall.

Remember TOP 10 Pick LaEl Collins?

Nobody questioned that situation and it is sad because the Leauge made that up so Dallas could get him. So you have him "Supposedly" being involved in a Crime......

Then Collins who Had a tattoo of the Cowboys on his arm said " If I'm not drafted before the Fourth Round I WILL NOT SIGN with any team"

Then what do you know Dallas picks up a Top 10 Pick after going into the NFC championship.

What happens after? The Talk about the Crime VANISHED and he Plays the Following season.

NFL Has never mentioned this "Incident" ever again.


If I'm correct that was last year? Well isn't it Ironic how it sets them up Perfectly Now that they Drafted Elliot?



So let me get this straight. You're saying that Myles Jack - widely considered a top 5 prospect - colludes with his agent to falsify a knee injury, thereby losing millions of dollars in the process.

You seriously believe this?
. . . Now  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 6:21 pm : link
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