vonn bell WAY before tj green altho i like tj greens coverage ability
that being said i think giants IF they do pass on jack assuming he is there should go WR, shepard, mike thomas and boyd will all be there so they will have their choice. i think any of the three would be a good pick...
but how about doubling up on corner and taking Alexander. Having Jenkins, Apple & Alexander for the next 4-5 years is pretty good. Not to mention DRC. This team has a lot of needs though.
TJ Green is a Giants type pick. He has height, speed, and weight. All the measurables they long.
6'2 who ran a 4.3 40 time. This sounds like 100% a Jerry Reese pick.
Thank you
Green is seen by many teams as a possible corner. Man cover ability. Can really blitz. Negatives are that he only has one year as a starter, and had a lot of deep coverage responsibilities from what I saw. That limits his experience with underneath coverages. He is also a converted WR. I’m always a little worried about guys who switch positions in college. He also tends to tackle with his shoulder instead of wrapping up. I agree that he’s a classic Reese guy. If he can cover TEs then he’s worth the pick IMO. But he might be gone by #40.
isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
Jerry has never cared about that though. If he is tops on there board they will pick him at 40 because Jerry loves his measurables
I agree, but this is why we are in this mess. Reese misses on to many of these project picks in the later part of the draft. We try to find to many diamonds in the rough and end up with nothing to show for it.
I easily see Green over Bell on the giants big board Â
on the other hand green is 6'2 that ran close to a 4.3 40. He is a converted WR so he has good hands and a lot of speed/quickness.
Bell is the more polished player for sure but where did we hear that before. Giants went Apple over VH because of measurables and predictability if they are picking safety why would that be any different?
i will not be happy with green or simmons at 40 they are HUGE reaches with guys like shepard thomas boyd spriggs bell on board etc...green is a 4th rounder simmons a 3rd or 4th. i want a WR and a LBer tonight...look Tyvis Powell FS in round 5
Ross: "Damn, everybody's onto us, J.R! How do we go about drafting someone in the 2nd without teams falling all over themselves to get ahead of us because we're so transparent?"
J.R: "I know! We'll leak info that we're interested in players that won't fill the gaping holes in our roster!"
isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
yeah that is just a silly comment. There aren't many at all projectable FS that are 6'2 that run 4.3.
That is actually very rare.
who cares if thats rare go with a guy with production...dont reach just because he has measurables....there are plenty of guys who look the part who suck ass...
sorry but green is a reach over bell idc what his weight and height is measurables dont always lead to good football
isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
yeah that is just a silly comment. There aren't many at all projectable FS that are 6'2 that run 4.3.
That is actually very rare.
who cares if thats rare go with a guy with production...dont reach just because he has measurables....there are plenty of guys who look the part who suck ass...
sorry but green is a reach over bell idc what his weight and height is measurables dont always lead to good football
Reese will almost always go with projection over performance.
I'm suggesting he is the type of prospect Jerry Reese drools over.
gotcha yea no i wasnt saying anything about your opinion i understand reese gets boners for these guys and its the reason we have jack shit from like every reese draft...
he is poor in the mid rounds...he needs to hit on these two tonight
is probably the target in the 2nd. Didn't someone report that they were very high on him and think he can play RT in the NFL? He is very versatile which we know the Giants love in their offensive linemen.
in terms of BPA will be DL. I can see us picking an O Lineman because Jerry has left a huge void on the line at OT (bad job in free agency) and now he will feel compelled to draft an OL out of need and what he needs for this coming season rather than doing what you are suppose to do with premium draft picks and that is to draft for the long term which means BPA. I am hoping we pick BPA which would be DL or LB based on what is left after the first round. I am not at all confident this will happen.
I'd take him in the 3rd but someone is going to grab him early for measurables. It might be Reese. Especially if the view him as their FS with the ability to slide to CB.
isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
I think you took that to literally. I don't mean there are guys the exact same size and speed. I mean every year there are tons of players who have the size and speed to play in the NFL. That doesn't mean they are 2nd round picks.
but how about doubling up on corner and taking Alexander. Having Jenkins, Apple & Alexander for the next 4-5 years is pretty good. Not to mention DRC. This team has a lot of needs though.
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to it. Obviously wouldn't be my first choice but that would set us up nicely this year and for the future.
that being said i think giants IF they do pass on jack assuming he is there should go WR, shepard, mike thomas and boyd will all be there so they will have their choice. i think any of the three would be a good pick...
I think the positions in play for day 2 are OL, WR, and pass-rusher. I guess TE, too, if it's a pass-catcher like Hunter Henry.
TJ Green is a Giants type pick. He has height, speed, and weight. All the measurables they long.
6'2 who ran a 4.3 40 time. This sounds like 100% a Jerry Reese pick.
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TJ Green or Vonn Bell and why?
TJ Green is a Giants type pick. He has height, speed, and weight. All the measurables they long.
6'2 who ran a 4.3 40 time. This sounds like 100% a Jerry Reese pick.
Thank you
Jerry has never cared about that though. If he is tops on there board they will pick him at 40 because Jerry loves his measurables
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TJ Green or Vonn Bell and why?
TJ Green is a Giants type pick. He has height, speed, and weight. All the measurables they long.
6'2 who ran a 4.3 40 time. This sounds like 100% a Jerry Reese pick.
Thank you
Green is seen by many teams as a possible corner. Man cover ability. Can really blitz. Negatives are that he only has one year as a starter, and had a lot of deep coverage responsibilities from what I saw. That limits his experience with underneath coverages. He is also a converted WR. I’m always a little worried about guys who switch positions in college. He also tends to tackle with his shoulder instead of wrapping up. I agree that he’s a classic Reese guy. If he can cover TEs then he’s worth the pick IMO. But he might be gone by #40.
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isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
Jerry has never cared about that though. If he is tops on there board they will pick him at 40 because Jerry loves his measurables
I agree, but this is why we are in this mess. Reese misses on to many of these project picks in the later part of the draft. We try to find to many diamonds in the rough and end up with nothing to show for it.
on the other hand green is 6'2 that ran close to a 4.3 40. He is a converted WR so he has good hands and a lot of speed/quickness.
Bell is the more polished player for sure but where did we hear that before. Giants went Apple over VH because of measurables and predictability if they are picking safety why would that be any different?
J.R: "I know! We'll leak info that we're interested in players that won't fill the gaping holes in our roster!"
Ross: "Pure genius, J.R., pure genius."
J.R: "I know, right?"
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
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isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
yeah that is just a silly comment. There aren't many at all projectable FS that are 6'2 that run 4.3.
That is actually very rare.
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isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
yeah that is just a silly comment. There aren't many at all projectable FS that are 6'2 that run 4.3.
That is actually very rare.
who cares if thats rare go with a guy with production...dont reach just because he has measurables....there are plenty of guys who look the part who suck ass...
sorry but green is a reach over bell idc what his weight and height is measurables dont always lead to good football
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isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
yeah that is just a silly comment. There aren't many at all projectable FS that are 6'2 that run 4.3.
That is actually very rare.
who cares if thats rare go with a guy with production...dont reach just because he has measurables....there are plenty of guys who look the part who suck ass...
sorry but green is a reach over bell idc what his weight and height is measurables dont always lead to good football
Reese will almost always go with projection over performance.
gotcha yea no i wasnt saying anything about your opinion i understand reese gets boners for these guys and its the reason we have jack shit from like every reese draft...
he is poor in the mid rounds...he needs to hit on these two tonight
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isn't a second round player imo. Prob not even a 3rd rounder. He has size and speed but so do a lot of players.
There are a lot of 6'2 210lb players that run a 4.3? News to me.
I think you took that to literally. I don't mean there are guys the exact same size and speed. I mean every year there are tons of players who have the size and speed to play in the NFL. That doesn't mean they are 2nd round picks.
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to it. Obviously wouldn't be my first choice but that would set us up nicely this year and for the future.