"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure Â
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
RE: RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure Â
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
In comment 12935484 I wanna be Torbor, sucka said:
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It's hard to describe a DB as a physical player and then say he's a bad tackler.
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Reading Ross comments it looks like they envision him for that Â
hybrid safety but he says he is a FS. He also described M. Thompson as the free range safety. So D. Thompson will be the zone safety, Collins the box safety and M. Thompson the deep cover safety?
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Mykelle Thompson is a terrible pick and really not an NFL player. He was very average for Texas and not even the best DB they had. In fact he wasn't even expected to be drafted. Cooper Taylor was one of Reese's "athletic freak" reaches which hasn't panned out at all in 3 seasons. That leaves Jackson and Berhe, neither of which were high draft picks. I like this new pick and hope he can step in with Collins. Let Berhe and Jackson battle it our for the backup position.
Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins Â
Let's hope this isn't another reach to fill a positional need when there were more talented players available who gets a few years to develop into something but comes ang goes. I'm rooting hard for the player but I'm giving the FO no benefit of the doubt here.
Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.
RE: RE: RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based Â
New York Giants: FS Darian Thompson – A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins — and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
RE: Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins Â
In your secondary. Do you want to see the Craig Dahl's and Brandon Merriweather's of the league back there in'16? I wouldn't mind picking up another CB today.
As far as the OL goes, as Sy pointed out, it wasn't a strength in the 3rd, so why reach. At this point we're tied to Jerry, Newhouse, Hart and a late round pick on the right side. This team had too many holes to fill in one off-season, so we're better off aiming for value and not reaching.
Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.
Absolutely! When I factored this in, the pick now looked like the best one possible for us in the third round.
I have been ranting for years about instincts, and how INTs in college are one of the few windows into those intangibles as well as 'ints in college often = ints in the nfl'.
19 of them, pointed this out on the Sy safety thread.
In addition, you possibly want to pair that one FS with lots of simple corner man cover, and, now that we have three corners like that, this makes even more sense, then, as above, also helps Collins to do his thing up closer.
This team is finally starting to integrate its moves into cohesive sets; the DL in free agency (would have done even more via draft, but , nonetheless, the Apple makes the Darius T more rational, the DL free agents makes the Apple more rational, the Darius makes the Collins more rational, etc).
19 INTs, great pick for the 3rd round.
Grade the draft an 'A' so far. Also like the WR.
Didn't know Simmons or Thompson before yesterday, but Â
Don't just read his combine workout and say he sux. Do a little research. Had an incredibly productive career, team captain, 48 starts, 19 picks. He had a fantastic senior bowl week and was viewed immediately thereafter as a late first early second round pick. He goes to the combine and gets good poisoning, loses 8 lbs and has a sub par workout. All of a sudden he doesn't have "NFL athleticism." He goes and has a representative pro day where he cleans up his times, but it seems no one could forget the combine.
I am confident we got a starter here to pair with Collins and someone who could have gone early second if he just called out sick at the combine.
Serious efforts have been made to address this in FA and in this draft. Thompson is part of that effort. Did you have someone else in mind in the third round who would have been better? Simmons is mentioned, but he wasn't taken until Denver with the last pick in the round and was ranked considerably lower than Thompson.
I can't remember the last time they had a ball hawk FS Â
Or a difference-maker at S. He'll have to develop some more discipline, but he clearly has a nose for INTs, and that will be a change from the normal stone-hands crew. Besides, it's not like they had anything proven back there at FS anyway. They needed to get another one.
but I was very impressed with his ball skills. In a few of those int's he looks like the intended receiver. He also seems to be very good at forcing fumbles by using his helmet to knock the ball loose. I am really starting to like this pick.
of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Both posts are true
Let's hope the picks beyond Round 2 from this year and last contribute something b/c the lack of contribution beyond Round 2 has killed this team for years.
The last 3rd or 4th rounder that really contributed under Reese Â
you may remember James Butler started in the deep safety role next to Gibril is Spags' first year, then Spags brought him over to St. Louis 2 seasons later. All told he started for most of 3 seasons with Spags and played for 7. I went back and looked at his combine/pro day and it's a pretty damn close comparison despite Thompson being sick. Though as I said, hopefully Thompson plays faster and Butler is more his floor. In tape he looks much more athletic than Butler ever did and he had twice as much INT production in college, so hopefully that translates. I can understand those preferring Simmons due to him being a higher level athlete, but production is why many (myself included) preferred Hargreaves > Apple so I have no issue with taking Thompson who had about 3x more INTs.
but you only have to look at the 4th quarter meltdowns the Giants had last year to see how totally pathetic their secondary was. It's for this reason, I think, that they drafted Apple (after their other choices were gone), and why they took Thompson. Their secondary need is greater than their need for a RT, or for a LT to replace Flowers and moving Flowers to RT.
don't get me wrong, I love the pick. Exactly what we need in a FS. Again, the mistakes he makes are coachable. But he's smart, has size, speed, great hands, physical. Those are things you can't teach.
Not by much and it's been pretty widely reported Thompson was sick and did much better at his pro day (couldn't find anything other than a 4.5 40). Butler also did better at his pro day according to NFL draft scout, but he did so much better (posted a Beckhamesque 6.7 3 cone that was almost a full half second faster than the combine) it must have been fast track because we all know he was anything but an elite athlete. Regardless, I'm hoping Thompson's floor is a smart, albeit athletically limited, deep safety like Butler who can keep things in front of him and take the ball away when he's in position (Butler had a respectable 11 INTs in 44 career starts). Hopefully he's better but even if not that type of player can fill a role here day 1.
Rich man's James Butler/poor man's Kenny Phillips?
RE: RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based Â
I saw the ame thing I don't think it's a miss print I want to find the details because in tape this guys looks fast,on one int that he dove for I swear that was the quickest move I seen it was in the endzone awesome play.
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
Good point. Let's stick with the existing secondary because it did so well.
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
Well, can't count Owa out yet although missing twelve games of your rookie season with injuries is not a good start.
Bromley actually saw quite a bit of playing time in 2015. Maybe some day he'll get his first NFL sack.
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
Graziano's a tool.
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point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
4.33 and 7.26
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Mykelle Thompson is a terrible pick and really not an NFL player. He was very average for Texas and not even the best DB they had. In fact he wasn't even expected to be drafted. Cooper Taylor was one of Reese's "athletic freak" reaches which hasn't panned out at all in 3 seasons. That leaves Jackson and Berhe, neither of which were high draft picks. I like this new pick and hope he can step in with Collins. Let Berhe and Jackson battle it our for the backup position.
They don't deserve it.
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
4.33 and 7.26
Thanks Ira. Those, I believe, are from the combine and not great. I was wondering about the pro day times.
I 100% agree with you. I'm not counting on those 3 at all. Injury baggage.
As far as the OL goes, as Sy pointed out, it wasn't a strength in the 3rd, so why reach. At this point we're tied to Jerry, Newhouse, Hart and a late round pick on the right side. This team had too many holes to fill in one off-season, so we're better off aiming for value and not reaching.
Absolutely! When I factored this in, the pick now looked like the best one possible for us in the third round.
19 of them, pointed this out on the Sy safety thread.
In addition, you possibly want to pair that one FS with lots of simple corner man cover, and, now that we have three corners like that, this makes even more sense, then, as above, also helps Collins to do his thing up closer.
This team is finally starting to integrate its moves into cohesive sets; the DL in free agency (would have done even more via draft, but , nonetheless, the Apple makes the Darius T more rational, the DL free agents makes the Apple more rational, the Darius makes the Collins more rational, etc).
19 INTs, great pick for the 3rd round.
Grade the draft an 'A' so far. Also like the WR.
Glad Reese addressed this position, better than hoping that one of the walking wounded will outplay their draft position.
I am confident we got a starter here to pair with Collins and someone who could have gone early second if he just called out sick at the combine.
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of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Both posts are true
Let's hope the picks beyond Round 2 from this year and last contribute something b/c the lack of contribution beyond Round 2 has killed this team for years.
Thompson (combine) -------- Butler (combine)
6'2 208 ------------------------ 6'2 / 213
4.69 --------------------------- 4.65 (40)
1.66 --------------------------- 1.69 (10 yard split)
32.5 ---------------------------- 40.5 (vert)
7.26 ----------------------------- 7.10 (3 cone)
118 ------------------------------ 127 (broad)
4.33 ----------------------------- 3.98 (shuttle)
Not by much and it's been pretty widely reported Thompson was sick and did much better at his pro day (couldn't find anything other than a 4.5 40). Butler also did better at his pro day according to NFL draft scout, but he did so much better (posted a Beckhamesque 6.7 3 cone that was almost a full half second faster than the combine) it must have been fast track because we all know he was anything but an elite athlete. Regardless, I'm hoping Thompson's floor is a smart, albeit athletically limited, deep safety like Butler who can keep things in front of him and take the ball away when he's in position (Butler had a respectable 11 INTs in 44 career starts). Hopefully he's better but even if not that type of player can fill a role here day 1.
Rich man's James Butler/poor man's Kenny Phillips?
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
I saw the ame thing I don't think it's a miss print I want to find the details because in tape this guys looks fast,on one int that he dove for I swear that was the quickest move I seen it was in the endzone awesome play.