19 picks at FS for Boise so he has a serious nose for the football
However he needs some serious coaching because he takes lots of chances and sometimes gets faked out by a QB, letting receivers behind him in center field.
But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.
Wonder if they could have gotten KJ Dillon or another safety in round 4. Hard to believe they have not taken a lineman on either side of the ball yet. I hope they can swing a deal for A. Davis.
if the picks were the right picks, but I can't complain about the positions they have taken so far. Still need a DE, OT, and then maybe interior OL or DL.
But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.
Yeah, definitely a plus. Has to learn how to tackle, though.
have to keep drafting safeties because Reese cant find one. Taylor, Berhe, Thompson. Same story with the OL. Hard to believe he was the best guy on the board. Billings or Bullard seem like better picks.
Thompson looks good on tape against lower competition....not sure he is a guy that brings a higher level of play over what they already have. It's a logjam of mediocrity at FS.
Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.
i dont disagree, but there's a reason we're picking top 10 for the 2nd straight year. we weren't a good team, there are a ton of needs...i think we've been addressing them one by one thus far.
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Is the primary tackler on most plays, we have bigger problems.
This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.
I think he's a nice centerfielder yet drafted for need
They did not kill him they said due to his speed sometimes he takes poor angles on the tackles. This they said can be cleaned up with proper coaching which they believe he will get at the next level. They also said the kid can make plays as evidenced by his 19 Int's
Darian is a smart, knows where hes supposed to be and does what hes supposed to do Safety. He has solid athletic talent and has no problems coming up to help out against the run. He has just enough cover skills and excellent size to cover bigger slot receivers and the change of direction skills to make life not very easy for those small slot receivers. Darian has the hands to make the interception and the run back skills that make you think he might be able to play on the other side of the ball as a third down running back, but I digress. Darian waits for a quarterback to make a mistake and then he makes them pay intercepting passes that most safeties would find hard to catch. In fact, most safeties are not even thinking about intercepting the ball, but Darian has the instincts and understands where his defensive pressure is going to come from against a quarterback and anticipates the mistake happening before it happens. He is smart because he understands more than just his position.
that guesses a lot and doesn't tackle. They must have had some info. Liked Apple, loved Sheppard, this one... is kinda meh for me. I'm going to have to look up some cutups on him.
what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.
what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.
I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..
Riverboat gambler on the backend. Not elite physical tools in terms of speed and agility. Oddly I like his ability to sift and hit near the LoS better than his projection as a ballhawking centerfield type S in the NFL. Wish him and us well with this pick...we'll need it.
New York Giants: Darian Thompson, S, Boise State A- Grade
Darian Thompson could've easily been chosen in the middle of the second round, so this is great value. Thompson also fills a need, as New York had to obtain help next to Landon Collins. Thompson has tackling concerns, but he's a play-maker who will create turnovers for the Giants.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades3.php#l4270C5v1h7Vi4iB.99
Was the guy I thought they should grab, this is a pick that I guess I don't like much, why not Simmons? I understood Apple over Hargeaves, I loved Shepherd, this I can't get behind and Reese never hits on this type of pick. Typical Reese bullshit.
Is the primary tackler on most plays, we have bigger problems.
This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.
That's what I thought as well. The SS should be the pure tackler and the FS the hands, finesse guy that plays the ball. If your FS is playing the receiver that means you have trouble at corner.
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.
Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.
Said he is a ball hawk and a heavy hitter but takes poor angles and as a safety needs to tackle better. If they can teach him how to take angles better this should allow Collins to play in box and play the run which is more his game because his coverage skills weren't great last year.
And honestly if this means we won't see Unga covering the top TE's in the league, I will take it.
Thompson looks good on tape against lower competition....not sure he is a guy that brings a higher level of play over what they already have. It's a logjam of mediocrity at FS.
Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.
I don't know about that, Sy. He had a very nice Senior Bowl week and he played very well against Virginia (as Greg may attest to) and Washington.
what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.
I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..
I'm indifferent, don't know the player. I keep seeing people wish we picked this or that player and I just sit back and laugh. Unless we are taking a punter or someone with baggage I really don't have a strong opinion after the first couple rounds when I don't know the players much.
Here's a full game against UVA - not a powerhouse but still ACC
looks pretty good and really seems to know how to go up for the ball.
McGinn's review called him the smartest safety in the draft with great ball skills and good coverage skills in both man/zone. Mayock echoed most of that. Sounds like he's a willing tackler but took bad angles that led to big plays also. It sounds like his ball skills are among the best in the draft, I like that roll of the dice. We certainly don't have anyone proven at FS. Darian Thompson vs. UVA - ( New Window )
creaming over Simmons and that's great, but he hasn't been drafted yet. Obviously, teams see faults in his game as well. Thompson is a flat out ball hawk and a good physical football player. So he didn't run well at the combine - oh well. Can he catch? Can he make plays for once - something we haven't had in years? Yes!
RE: Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
Vernon said JPP and JT Thomas are the leaders on the line and LBs respectively. JJ said DRC is the leader on the DBs, but looking at their interviews, Berhe and Jackson seem like good leaders too.
Darian Thompson had 19 career interceptions at Boise State. "He's very instinctive," Giants coach Ben McAdoo said. "He has tremendous ball skills, but the instincts and the twitch make it happen for him."
that comes to mind is none other than our old buddy, Stevie Brown. Poor angles, poor tackling ...just hope he has the attitude to Be more than just a centerfielder.
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.
Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.
There was certainly room to bring in more talent.
Berhe is a SS. Jackson would be good as a slot/FS utility guy. He also seems like a good leader and smart player.
The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks
A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
But it's pretty obvious the NYG staff and FO aren't as scared off over the right side of the OL like us fans. Let's hope they're right. I have a suspicion though that Jerry and Newhouse will not allow this offense to reach its full potential....
is declaring that he has no confidence in anyone at S except Collins, who himself was definitely shaky at times last year. A lot of bodies at S, with no one having proven himself. Like the backup OL. Having to consistently redraft the same position is not good.
RE: The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks
A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
I'd expect that during camp and the season that Collins and Jenkins will become leaders in the secondary with DRC. Perhaps Berhe too.
Well, IMO, the leader/orchestrator needs to make the calls and not sure Collins can make the calls or read the offense. He's a down in the box safety IMO with three CB's and a FS centerfielder.
A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
LOL
"Grab some free food from our buffet on the way out young man"
but disappointed there. I'm never sure how much stock to put into combines. Same thing happened to Collins last year. Was rated #1 safety then combines and then he fell.
I remember reading that he had experience at CB and FS in college. I would hope that with a year of work on his speed, endurance, and flexibility that this guy might be a candidate for some play at CB. Jackson & Thompson could be valuable as versatile guys who could line up on a 3rd or 4th WR one on one on the outside if need be.
at one point he was the top ranked safety...i am good with this pick...many people will say simmons simmons just like epople cried for hargreaves....who is to say the guys we took arent better? time will tell.
High character guy. Smart player, who calls the plays in center field, and he's a ball hawk. He can get coached up on the angles and tackling. I believe in our coaches. He could be a starter for us. I like it guys.
But it's pretty obvious the NYG staff and FO aren't as scared off over the right side of the OL like us fans. Let's hope they're right. I have a suspicion though that Jerry and Newhouse will not allow this offense to reach its full potential....
JR just doesn't understand the value a great o-line gives you. They think the 3 steps and pass make up for it which completely ignores the running game. So we'll go 5 years in a row with a mediocre o-line.
When he starts picking off passes. Angles and tackling can be taught. Good size, good speed and great hands, holds onto int. Evidently they liked him more than Simmons.
he can ball. He has moxy. He's going to have to tighten up on the back end, but he is definitely fast enough. Don't be scared by the combine. He is smart.. but will have some bumps as he learns and guesses wrong.
A thought.. He could be used as a third safety, and hybrid LB type, but the guy is smart and does guess right.
Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.
Go back to sleep.he ran 4.53 and 4.55 at his pro day.
You would have quite the scoop if he did!
Not an O Lineman yet, wow.
Don't depend on other teams' scraps to help the O Line,
they just signed 3 JAGS for the O Line recently.
RE: RE: RE: The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks
But this is why I say everyone sees these prospects through their own lens. Even the professionals paid to evaluate them. It's human beings projecting the performance of other human beings. NFL Draft analysis is no science.
RE: He was talked up prior to the combines as one of the best safeties
but disappointed there. I'm never sure how much stock to put into combines. Same thing happened to Collins last year. Was rated #1 safety then combines and then he fell.
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
I thought they said he's a good tackler. He's missed some tackles as the last defender and that was due to a bad angle not bad tackling technique.
So it's getting into position to make a tackle that he needs to work on.
He's going to need to clean that up quick because his CBs are BIG risk takers. Hell I think Apple will be the only CB that plays his man vs ball.
If you are into takeaways this secondary has a bunch of guys looking to get the interception and return. LOL Apple and Collins will be racking up the tackles though.
we had pretty much the worst defense in NFL history last year right? And the offense was 8th in the league? We can get depth, possibly a starting G or RT down the road with these next few picks. We need fucking defensive playmakers.
M.S. : 4/10/2016 11:28 am
...two players I like in each round within the context of our current team, and who I "think" may be available in each round based on several Mock Drafts floating around out there.
This isn't a Mock Draft, but just something I've put together so I can pontificate on something hypothetical, speculative and probably has little -- if anything -- to do with the way the Draft will actually unfold.
One huge bias I have right from the get-go, which many on BBI have a different viewpoint ... out of all the needs the Giants have, I believe Wide Receiver is trailing the pack... by far.
Round One:
Ronnie Stanley (Offensive Tackle; Notre Dame)
May not be there, but he's the book move IMO because his selection represents two positions: Stanley to LT and Flowers to RT.
Sheldon Rankins (Defensive Tackle; Louisville)
May have a better chance of being there at 10 than Stanley. Best DT in this Draft who plays in the backfield and messes up offensive line play in a big way. When he is wreaking havoc, we don't have to worry as much about a bad-to-mediocre LB unit. He also represents cost-containment when Hankins moves on. Put him next to "Snacks" and release the hounds.
Round Two:
Darian Thompson (Free Safety; Boise State)
The best free safety in the Draft at a position of desperate need for the Giants. He has got ball reaction instincts far superior to anything at Safety on our current roster. I've read here about Landon Collins being a full time Free Safety. How can that be with a guy who can't track the ball over his head. I want Collins at strong safety closer to the LOS. Why Cooper Taylor's name keeps being mentioned is beyond my comprehension... an injury-plagued, low-level talent is not the way to go!
Kendall Fuller (Cornerback; Va Tech)
There is zero depth behind the very strong starting duo of DRC and Janoris Jenkins. Kendall Fuller will soon be a quality starting CB in the NFL and will automatically become our first guy off the bench in the slot. He is the complete package and -- despite his size -- is a very willing tackler. IMO, his athleticism alone makes him a great pick here... his production only solidifies that.
Round Three
Deion Jones (OLB; LSU)
You don't put this guy over a TE... play him in space and watch him wreak havoc all over the field. Was very surprised to read his weight is below 230! Jones has got a huge lower power-train, so I think he can carry a lot more weight. He flies into lanes and is a heat-seeking missile. Plays on Specials from Day One and can replace JT Thomas in Year Two (maybe Year One.)
Christian Westerman (OG or C; Arizona State)
I would pick him in the third round even if we go Ronnie Stanley in the first. And if it's Sheldon Rankins in the first, than I would definitely go with this guy over Deion Jones. We have no offensive line depth and this guy can eventually start in his first year at right guard. Westerman is an accomplished run blocker and can get to the second level with a lot of attitude. Saw him play... he is strong and he is mean.
Round Four
Blake Martinez (MLB; Stanford)
I think this guy is everything you want in the middle. He's sees the play... he attacks the play. He just goes when the ball is snapped and he goes to the right place. He tackles and he covers which is quite a novelty for our team. Probably will not be selected because I think we are OK with Brinkley and Robinson in the middle. But I still think the world of Martinez and I want him on the team!
Alex Collins (RB; Arkansas)
Love this very thick-set running back. You look at this guy and you wouldn't think he could both charge into the LOS and shift directions in a small place at the same time. But he can! He also has tremendous balance and is an all-around tough guy. We can drop Andre Williams the moment Alex Collins is drafted.
So... based on the above, here are two scenarios with the one constant being Free Safety in Round Two:
Scenario One:
Round One: Ronnie Stanley; OT
Round Two: Darian Thompson: FS
Round Three: Deion Jones: OLB
Round Four: Alex Collins RB
Said his 'tackling issue' is fixable.
We needed a Centerfield error not a LB type tackler.
Our draft has been a steady B+
End of day, is the team better? YES
Starting Nickle, eventually a starting CB.
Wr2 is set. We could have 3 of the most explosive WRS in the NFL. If Cruz comes back, which looks likely, we have O'Dell and Sterling who can score anytime they touch the ball. He is great at possession too. Add a healthy Cruz and Harris as our4th and Eli is set.
Darian Thompson was one of the top ball hawking FSN in this draft. I yell out yes, come on here to who is this guy?
Doom and gloom. NFL network said he took bad angles tackling which can be fixed easily. We need a ballhawk (he had 19 picks), not a SS, we have tough tackler in Collins
Chill out guys we still have picks tomorrow
June 1st cuts
We will have someone better then Newhouse at RT. Anthony Davis is a dream.
But there will be plenty of talent left to draft. O'Hara went un drafted. Plenty of good players go in the 4th 5th yth and 7th.
Look at Willie Colon yth Rd played over 12 years at OL. Josh Norman in the 5th and so on.
Did the Giants get better, definitely yes, getting Shepard with ODell was beautiful. Apple is today's CB. Long and lanky that plays hard in your face press. Can ease into lineup startingNguyen at Nicole this year.
A ballhawk S.
Another electric WR.
Some just like popular names?
Has 1,1 mock been even close ? Nope
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For all the critics .... Ran a 4.53 at his pro day
I was surprised this is just now being brought up. He was sick at the combine and yet still worked out and still ran. He is extremely tough... had a great senior bowl week and had 5 tackles with 2 PD in the game. Ran a 4.53 at pro day... probably a 4.61-4.63 guy which is plenty fast. 19 picks is a lot and the missed tackles they say is because he was trying to do to much on a Defense that was lacking talent
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
A misleading stat directly attributable to how fast the ball comes out and Eli's pocket sense. Doesn't give an accurate picture of the consistent pressure and harassment Eli dealt with.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
You arent really comparing taking 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks with 2nd and 3rd round picks are you?
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
"Safety Darian Thompson: Thompson (6-2, 213) was suffering from an illness at the combine and came back to have a good pro day. He ran a 4.6-second 40 (4.69 at the combine) and had 13 lifts. I was told he tracked and caught the ball well in position drills."
STRENGTHS: Tall, filled-out frame, working hard to max out his build. Always on the hunt with consistently fast play speed, covering a lot of ground. Anticipates well with the play in front of him, floating and undercutting routes to make plays on the ball. Accurately reads the eyes of quarterbacks to bait throws - film junkie and picks up on tendencies.
Aggressive downhill with a physical mind-set, taking on contact. Outstanding ball-skills and ball awareness, locating with the focus to finish interceptions. Acrobatic skills to make diving catches look routine. Competitive intangibles desired for the next level with unforced leadership ("a guy you want to be around all the time," according to a teammate). Durable four-year starter.
WEAKNESSES: Tight lower body and upright transition, struggling to flip his hips and stay in phase downfield. Shorter arms and overaggressive angles leads to missed tackles in run support. Needs to better control his momentum to break down on the move. Inconsistent jam technique.
Struggles to recover after false steps with stiff change of direction skills and ordinary catch-up speed. Undisciplined vision and his eyes pay rent in the backfield, allowing pass-catchers to gain a step. Marginal instincts with his back to the ball.
COMPARES TO: Bacarri Rambo, Buffalo Bills - Although false steps and aggressive reads will lead to big plays for the offense, safeties like Rambo and Thompson have the playmaking skills to post their fair share of big plays as well.
IN OUR VIEW: Thompson has the anticipation and ball-skills to read quarterbacks and make plays on the ball, but he also guesses too much and lacks the same cover skills once asked to turn and run. His inconsistencies make it tough to trust him as the last line of defense, but his playmaking instincts and toughness will interest NFL coaches as a downhill safety.
Is right. I'd be surprised if they don't pull off a trade for Davis. Fits to a t. Jersey guy, contract not huge, only 26.good RT. Won't cost a ton. Maybe tomorrow or after draft.
Can bitch about getting burned over the top & not covering TEs. Then bitch about a guy who has forced 21 career turnovers, 15 TFL & 15 pass deflections.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
Sterling Shepard was a great pick Imo.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
Wtf you can't possibly follow the draft other then mocks.
Shepard was an A pick
Darian Thompson is much better then Mykelle , Jesus watch some film before talking like you know
Guy starts out ranked as one of the best,goes to the combine and than everybody says Oh Shit,and the Giants scoop him up looking for George Iloka,or another Phillips.Than once again prove how smart they are.
RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow
And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Just watched his games against Colorado state and Virginia. I don't care what his track 40 was-- the guy was covering ground and all over the field. He was in on big tackles, always around the ball both run and pass. He was a definite playmaker causing fumbles, big stops even when he started away from play side and had picks and near picks. He has that flash that makes him stand out. Reese may have found a very good one for us.
RE: RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow
And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Needs to chill the fuck out. I don't watch tape and stuff like some do here. As a fan I see draft picks that are not working out.....yet. Now we are picking better versions of them it appears.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
So many scouting reports have him as a physical player. I don't think that's the case. But he is a center fielder who makes plays.
The Giants have tried to get away with late round picks and it hasn't worked (injuries played into that quite a bit but it hasn't worked nonetheless
). Premium pick on a safety was needed and they clearly think he works well with a safety who is without a doubt a physical tackler in Collins.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
Well, it doesn't say much for him, that's for sure. He's not a lost cause yet, but he certainly hasn't distinguished himself in any discernible way, either.
As for your last sentence, yes. I mean, I would hope *at least* one out of these five could at least be decent, haha.
Sterling Shepard was a great pick Imo.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
Not how I would've anticipated the draft unfolding but they've taken guys with good resumes at positions that can impact sooner rather than later. My preference was OL/DL but the talent really wasn't there at 10 and 70.
Apple/Thompson -- with the investment in the secondary should be elite
Shepard -- top tier talent at WR if Cruz comes back
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Like I said....you have no idea what is going to happen nor does anybody else
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
RE: RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
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It's hard to describe a DB as a physical player and then say he's a bad tackler.
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Reading Ross comments it looks like they envision him for that
hybrid safety but he says he is a FS. He also described M. Thompson as the free range safety. So D. Thompson will be the zone safety, Collins the box safety and M. Thompson the deep cover safety?
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Mykelle Thompson is a terrible pick and really not an NFL player. He was very average for Texas and not even the best DB they had. In fact he wasn't even expected to be drafted. Cooper Taylor was one of Reese's "athletic freak" reaches which hasn't panned out at all in 3 seasons. That leaves Jackson and Berhe, neither of which were high draft picks. I like this new pick and hope he can step in with Collins. Let Berhe and Jackson battle it our for the backup position.
Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins
Let's hope this isn't another reach to fill a positional need when there were more talented players available who gets a few years to develop into something but comes ang goes. I'm rooting hard for the player but I'm giving the FO no benefit of the doubt here.
Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.
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New York Giants: FS Darian Thompson A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
RE: Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins
In your secondary. Do you want to see the Craig Dahl's and Brandon Merriweather's of the league back there in'16? I wouldn't mind picking up another CB today.
As far as the OL goes, as Sy pointed out, it wasn't a strength in the 3rd, so why reach. At this point we're tied to Jerry, Newhouse, Hart and a late round pick on the right side. This team had too many holes to fill in one off-season, so we're better off aiming for value and not reaching.
Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.
Absolutely! When I factored this in, the pick now looked like the best one possible for us in the third round.
I have been ranting for years about instincts, and how INTs in college are one of the few windows into those intangibles as well as 'ints in college often = ints in the nfl'.
19 of them, pointed this out on the Sy safety thread.
In addition, you possibly want to pair that one FS with lots of simple corner man cover, and, now that we have three corners like that, this makes even more sense, then, as above, also helps Collins to do his thing up closer.
This team is finally starting to integrate its moves into cohesive sets; the DL in free agency (would have done even more via draft, but , nonetheless, the Apple makes the Darius T more rational, the DL free agents makes the Apple more rational, the Darius makes the Collins more rational, etc).
19 INTs, great pick for the 3rd round.
Grade the draft an 'A' so far. Also like the WR.
Didn't know Simmons or Thompson before yesterday, but
Don't just read his combine workout and say he sux. Do a little research. Had an incredibly productive career, team captain, 48 starts, 19 picks. He had a fantastic senior bowl week and was viewed immediately thereafter as a late first early second round pick. He goes to the combine and gets good poisoning, loses 8 lbs and has a sub par workout. All of a sudden he doesn't have "NFL athleticism." He goes and has a representative pro day where he cleans up his times, but it seems no one could forget the combine.
I am confident we got a starter here to pair with Collins and someone who could have gone early second if he just called out sick at the combine.
Serious efforts have been made to address this in FA and in this draft. Thompson is part of that effort. Did you have someone else in mind in the third round who would have been better? Simmons is mentioned, but he wasn't taken until Denver with the last pick in the round and was ranked considerably lower than Thompson.
I can't remember the last time they had a ball hawk FS
Or a difference-maker at S. He'll have to develop some more discipline, but he clearly has a nose for INTs, and that will be a change from the normal stone-hands crew. Besides, it's not like they had anything proven back there at FS anyway. They needed to get another one.
but I was very impressed with his ball skills. In a few of those int's he looks like the intended receiver. He also seems to be very good at forcing fumbles by using his helmet to knock the ball loose. I am really starting to like this pick.
of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Both posts are true
Let's hope the picks beyond Round 2 from this year and last contribute something b/c the lack of contribution beyond Round 2 has killed this team for years.
The last 3rd or 4th rounder that really contributed under Reese
you may remember James Butler started in the deep safety role next to Gibril is Spags' first year, then Spags brought him over to St. Louis 2 seasons later. All told he started for most of 3 seasons with Spags and played for 7. I went back and looked at his combine/pro day and it's a pretty damn close comparison despite Thompson being sick. Though as I said, hopefully Thompson plays faster and Butler is more his floor. In tape he looks much more athletic than Butler ever did and he had twice as much INT production in college, so hopefully that translates. I can understand those preferring Simmons due to him being a higher level athlete, but production is why many (myself included) preferred Hargreaves > Apple so I have no issue with taking Thompson who had about 3x more INTs.
but you only have to look at the 4th quarter meltdowns the Giants had last year to see how totally pathetic their secondary was. It's for this reason, I think, that they drafted Apple (after their other choices were gone), and why they took Thompson. Their secondary need is greater than their need for a RT, or for a LT to replace Flowers and moving Flowers to RT.
don't get me wrong, I love the pick. Exactly what we need in a FS. Again, the mistakes he makes are coachable. But he's smart, has size, speed, great hands, physical. Those are things you can't teach.
Not by much and it's been pretty widely reported Thompson was sick and did much better at his pro day (couldn't find anything other than a 4.5 40). Butler also did better at his pro day according to NFL draft scout, but he did so much better (posted a Beckhamesque 6.7 3 cone that was almost a full half second faster than the combine) it must have been fast track because we all know he was anything but an elite athlete. Regardless, I'm hoping Thompson's floor is a smart, albeit athletically limited, deep safety like Butler who can keep things in front of him and take the ball away when he's in position (Butler had a respectable 11 INTs in 44 career starts). Hopefully he's better but even if not that type of player can fill a role here day 1.
Rich man's James Butler/poor man's Kenny Phillips?
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I saw the ame thing I don't think it's a miss print I want to find the details because in tape this guys looks fast,on one int that he dove for I swear that was the quickest move I seen it was in the endzone awesome play.
Secondary is a lot better after this draft. There is a lot of competition in a very young back end now.
The question now is re: offensive line. Will any move be made?
He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.
A little panicky but I think they had him a little higher than most and saw the run on defensive backs coming
However he needs some serious coaching because he takes lots of chances and sometimes gets faked out by a QB, letting receivers behind him in center field.
Speed is also an issue
4.69 40 time
All that matters to me
I think he's better than all three but I was never high on any of them. I could see Thompson winning the job out of the gate.
Was it his shirt or shorts?
Meh.
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He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.
4.61 there.
Meh.
They killed him
I think he's a nice centerfielder yet drafted for need
The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.
Meh.
But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
Because Jints Central didn't watch any of the games last year.
+1
Kelvin benjamin said he went Slower so he would fall in the draft to the Panthers.
This guy looks like the real deal.
And Broke a Record set by Eric Weddle. Watch out
The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.
Is Rapoport talking about our guy ???
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saying he has tackling issues.
Meh.
But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.
Yeah, definitely a plus. Has to learn how to tackle, though.
Shut up. You don't know a damn thing about this player
Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.
can't draft 6 guys with 1 pick...
This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.
You can tell when Mayock likes a player and doesn't by the tone of his voice, haha.
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Meh.
They killed him
I think he's a nice centerfielder yet drafted for need
They did not kill him they said due to his speed sometimes he takes poor angles on the tackles. This they said can be cleaned up with proper coaching which they believe he will get at the next level. They also said the kid can make plays as evidenced by his 19 Int's
So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?
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He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.
4.61 there.
4.53 and 4.55 is what I saw based on the reports. Far from slow
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Our secondary is now solid for several years...
So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?
It's like you read my mind, dude. That's exactly what my point was.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.
Be nice to have a ball hawk, though. Not like he could be much worse than the guys they played back there last year.
Bennet Jackson as a utility DB sounds nice to me. Can play safety or corner. 3 safety sets. I like Jackson. Assuming he stays healthy.
The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.
Seems like everyone else is saying hes a center fielder type, not a SS
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..
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Our secondary is now solid for several years...
So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?
Oh for fuck's sake. How do you guys even get out of bed in the morning. It's all doom and gloom.
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. A "centerfielder". A "ball-hawk safety."
Darian Thompson could've easily been chosen in the middle of the second round, so this is great value. Thompson also fills a need, as New York had to obtain help next to Landon Collins. Thompson has tackling concerns, but he's a play-maker who will create turnovers for the Giants.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades3.php#l4270C5v1h7Vi4iB.99
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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.
Go back to sleep.he ran 4.53 and 4.55 at his pro day.
This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.
That's what I thought as well. The SS should be the pure tackler and the FS the hands, finesse guy that plays the ball. If your FS is playing the receiver that means you have trouble at corner.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
He's not going to declare a third rounder the starter 10 minutes after he was drafted.
Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.
Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.
There was certainly room to bring in more talent.
And honestly if this means we won't see Unga covering the top TE's in the league, I will take it.
Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.
I don't know about that, Sy. He had a very nice Senior Bowl week and he played very well against Virginia (as Greg may attest to) and Washington.
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what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.
I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..
I'm indifferent, don't know the player. I keep seeing people wish we picked this or that player and I just sit back and laugh. Unless we are taking a punter or someone with baggage I really don't have a strong opinion after the first couple rounds when I don't know the players much.
McGinn's review called him the smartest safety in the draft with great ball skills and good coverage skills in both man/zone. Mayock echoed most of that. Sounds like he's a willing tackler but took bad angles that led to big plays also. It sounds like his ball skills are among the best in the draft, I like that roll of the dice. We certainly don't have anyone proven at FS.
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Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
Vernon said JPP and JT Thomas are the leaders on the line and LBs respectively. JJ said DRC is the leader on the DBs, but looking at their interviews, Berhe and Jackson seem like good leaders too.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
I'd expect that during camp and the season that Collins and Jenkins will become leaders in the secondary with DRC. Perhaps Berhe too.
"Darian can tackle in the open field and can play in a variety of different looks." - Coach McAdoo
Darian Thompson had 19 career interceptions at Boise State. "He's very instinctive," Giants coach Ben McAdoo said. "He has tremendous ball skills, but the instincts and the twitch make it happen for him."
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a competition pick, hardly and strong endorsement.
He's not going to declare a third rounder the starter 10 minutes after he was drafted.
As he shouldn't.
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.
Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.
There was certainly room to bring in more talent.
Berhe is a SS. Jackson would be good as a slot/FS utility guy. He also seems like a good leader and smart player.
Hitdog, what about Billings? If you can't post I understand
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
At least he didn't go BPA (a theory I despise).
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A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
Bronco Mendenhall is gonna bring us back though #HoosRising
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An entire new secondary besides DRC.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
I'd expect that during camp and the season that Collins and Jenkins will become leaders in the secondary with DRC. Perhaps Berhe too.
Well, IMO, the leader/orchestrator needs to make the calls and not sure Collins can make the calls or read the offense. He's a down in the box safety IMO with three CB's and a FS centerfielder.
"Darian has great ball skills and a really good feel for the game." - Marc Ross
I agree.
I disagree. Thompson was among the better players left
"This guy is a ball-hawk." - Marc Ross on Darian Thompson
Marc Ross on Darian Thompson: "His instincts are what separates him."
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So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
You're insufferable.
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A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
LOL
"Grab some free food from our buffet on the way out young man"
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Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
I thought they said he's a good tackler. He's missed some tackles as the last defender and that was due to a bad angle not bad tackling technique.
So it's getting into position to make a tackle that he needs to work on.
JR just doesn't understand the value a great o-line gives you. They think the 3 steps and pass make up for it which completely ignores the running game. So we'll go 5 years in a row with a mediocre o-line.
A thought.. He could be used as a third safety, and hybrid LB type, but the guy is smart and does guess right.
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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.
Go back to sleep.he ran 4.53 and 4.55 at his pro day.
You would have quite the scoop if he did!
Not an O Lineman yet, wow.
Don't depend on other teams' scraps to help the O Line,
they just signed 3 JAGS for the O Line recently.
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I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
LOL
"Grab some free food from our buffet on the way out young man"
Here's some Mexican water and some shrimp we've left in the hot sun for several hours.
But this is why I say everyone sees these prospects through their own lens. Even the professionals paid to evaluate them. It's human beings projecting the performance of other human beings. NFL Draft analysis is no science.
Beckham said the combine is over rated.
Elaborate.
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!
Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.
I thought they said he's a good tackler. He's missed some tackles as the last defender and that was due to a bad angle not bad tackling technique.
So it's getting into position to make a tackle that he needs to work on.
He's going to need to clean that up quick because his CBs are BIG risk takers. Hell I think Apple will be the only CB that plays his man vs ball.
If you are into takeaways this secondary has a bunch of guys looking to get the interception and return. LOL Apple and Collins will be racking up the tackles though.
Hope the young man excels and has a long and successful career with the Giants. I admit to a strong dose of skepticism on this pick. Time will tell.
well he tackles, not a coincidence.
I feel your pain. Unfortunately Eli will as well. And he's not as young as he used to be.
...to the Giants. See post below from April 10th, Round 2:
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Giants Draft: Rounds One through Four...
M.S. : 4/10/2016 11:28 am
...two players I like in each round within the context of our current team, and who I "think" may be available in each round based on several Mock Drafts floating around out there.
This isn't a Mock Draft, but just something I've put together so I can pontificate on something hypothetical, speculative and probably has little -- if anything -- to do with the way the Draft will actually unfold.
One huge bias I have right from the get-go, which many on BBI have a different viewpoint ... out of all the needs the Giants have, I believe Wide Receiver is trailing the pack... by far.
Round One:
Ronnie Stanley (Offensive Tackle; Notre Dame)
May not be there, but he's the book move IMO because his selection represents two positions: Stanley to LT and Flowers to RT.
Sheldon Rankins (Defensive Tackle; Louisville)
May have a better chance of being there at 10 than Stanley. Best DT in this Draft who plays in the backfield and messes up offensive line play in a big way. When he is wreaking havoc, we don't have to worry as much about a bad-to-mediocre LB unit. He also represents cost-containment when Hankins moves on. Put him next to "Snacks" and release the hounds.
Round Two:
Darian Thompson (Free Safety; Boise State)
The best free safety in the Draft at a position of desperate need for the Giants. He has got ball reaction instincts far superior to anything at Safety on our current roster. I've read here about Landon Collins being a full time Free Safety. How can that be with a guy who can't track the ball over his head. I want Collins at strong safety closer to the LOS. Why Cooper Taylor's name keeps being mentioned is beyond my comprehension... an injury-plagued, low-level talent is not the way to go!
Kendall Fuller (Cornerback; Va Tech)
There is zero depth behind the very strong starting duo of DRC and Janoris Jenkins. Kendall Fuller will soon be a quality starting CB in the NFL and will automatically become our first guy off the bench in the slot. He is the complete package and -- despite his size -- is a very willing tackler. IMO, his athleticism alone makes him a great pick here... his production only solidifies that.
Round Three
Deion Jones (OLB; LSU)
You don't put this guy over a TE... play him in space and watch him wreak havoc all over the field. Was very surprised to read his weight is below 230! Jones has got a huge lower power-train, so I think he can carry a lot more weight. He flies into lanes and is a heat-seeking missile. Plays on Specials from Day One and can replace JT Thomas in Year Two (maybe Year One.)
Christian Westerman (OG or C; Arizona State)
I would pick him in the third round even if we go Ronnie Stanley in the first. And if it's Sheldon Rankins in the first, than I would definitely go with this guy over Deion Jones. We have no offensive line depth and this guy can eventually start in his first year at right guard. Westerman is an accomplished run blocker and can get to the second level with a lot of attitude. Saw him play... he is strong and he is mean.
Round Four
Blake Martinez (MLB; Stanford)
I think this guy is everything you want in the middle. He's sees the play... he attacks the play. He just goes when the ball is snapped and he goes to the right place. He tackles and he covers which is quite a novelty for our team. Probably will not be selected because I think we are OK with Brinkley and Robinson in the middle. But I still think the world of Martinez and I want him on the team!
Alex Collins (RB; Arkansas)
Love this very thick-set running back. You look at this guy and you wouldn't think he could both charge into the LOS and shift directions in a small place at the same time. But he can! He also has tremendous balance and is an all-around tough guy. We can drop Andre Williams the moment Alex Collins is drafted.
So... based on the above, here are two scenarios with the one constant being Free Safety in Round Two:
Scenario One:
Round One: Ronnie Stanley; OT
Round Two: Darian Thompson: FS
Round Three: Deion Jones: OLB
Round Four: Alex Collins RB
Scenario Two:
Round One: Sheldon Rankins; DT
Round Two: Darian Thompson: FS
Round Three: Christian Westerman; OG/C
Round Four: Blake Martinez; MLB
Said his 'tackling issue' is fixable.
We needed a Centerfield error not a LB type tackler.
Our draft has been a steady B+
End of day, is the team better? YES
Starting Nickle, eventually a starting CB.
Wr2 is set. We could have 3 of the most explosive WRS in the NFL. If Cruz comes back, which looks likely, we have O'Dell and Sterling who can score anytime they touch the ball. He is great at possession too. Add a healthy Cruz and Harris as our4th and Eli is set.
Darian Thompson was one of the top ball hawking FSN in this draft. I yell out yes, come on here to who is this guy?
Doom and gloom. NFL network said he took bad angles tackling which can be fixed easily. We need a ballhawk (he had 19 picks), not a SS, we have tough tackler in Collins
Chill out guys we still have picks tomorrow
June 1st cuts
We will have someone better then Newhouse at RT. Anthony Davis is a dream.
But there will be plenty of talent left to draft. O'Hara went un drafted. Plenty of good players go in the 4th 5th yth and 7th.
Look at Willie Colon yth Rd played over 12 years at OL. Josh Norman in the 5th and so on.
Did the Giants get better, definitely yes, getting Shepard with ODell was beautiful. Apple is today's CB. Long and lanky that plays hard in your face press. Can ease into lineup startingNguyen at Nicole this year.
A ballhawk S.
Another electric WR.
Some just like popular names?
Has 1,1 mock been even close ? Nope
Scouts know their stuff
Darian
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I feel your pain. Unfortunately Eli will as well. And he's not as young as he used to be.
The Giants were tied for 4th in the league for least amount of sacks given up.
And what if we trade for Anthony Davis? Would you like this pick then?
But this kid looks solid. Lack of speed is compensated for by his ballhawking skills.
It is not the type of pick that gets you excited but it could be a good value pick if this kid comes in and starts for 3-4 years.
I completely agree. Trade whatever it takes because beef up the right side oline and our offense will be uneatable!
Darian Thompson: "I'm excited that they pulled the trigger on me. I'm sure they're excited as well." #Giants
In comment 12935254 Shadow said:
Darian Thompson, new Giants safety, says "I'm an extremely smart football player.''
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
I was surprised this is just now being brought up. He was sick at the combine and yet still worked out and still ran. He is extremely tough... had a great senior bowl week and had 5 tackles with 2 PD in the game. Ran a 4.53 at pro day... probably a 4.61-4.63 guy which is plenty fast. 19 picks is a lot and the missed tackles they say is because he was trying to do to much on a Defense that was lacking talent
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
A misleading stat directly attributable to how fast the ball comes out and Eli's pocket sense. Doesn't give an accurate picture of the consistent pressure and harassment Eli dealt with.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
You arent really comparing taking 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks with 2nd and 3rd round picks are you?
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Are you speaking English?
There is no concern with his speed! He ran in the 4.5s in his pro day. He ran a 4.69 at the Combine when he had food poisoning.
As long as we don't feed him spoiled food, he'll be fine.
Interesting that his slow time at the combine could be due to illness.
Boise Pro Day results - ( New Window )
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Aggressive downhill with a physical mind-set, taking on contact. Outstanding ball-skills and ball awareness, locating with the focus to finish interceptions. Acrobatic skills to make diving catches look routine. Competitive intangibles desired for the next level with unforced leadership ("a guy you want to be around all the time," according to a teammate). Durable four-year starter.
WEAKNESSES: Tight lower body and upright transition, struggling to flip his hips and stay in phase downfield. Shorter arms and overaggressive angles leads to missed tackles in run support. Needs to better control his momentum to break down on the move. Inconsistent jam technique.
Struggles to recover after false steps with stiff change of direction skills and ordinary catch-up speed. Undisciplined vision and his eyes pay rent in the backfield, allowing pass-catchers to gain a step. Marginal instincts with his back to the ball.
COMPARES TO: Bacarri Rambo, Buffalo Bills - Although false steps and aggressive reads will lead to big plays for the offense, safeties like Rambo and Thompson have the playmaking skills to post their fair share of big plays as well.
IN OUR VIEW: Thompson has the anticipation and ball-skills to read quarterbacks and make plays on the ball, but he also guesses too much and lacks the same cover skills once asked to turn and run. His inconsistencies make it tough to trust him as the last line of defense, but his playmaking instincts and toughness will interest NFL coaches as a downhill safety.
--Dane Brugler (2/10/16)
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with the concern with his speed, I am guessing that he will not contribute to special teams.
There is no concern with his speed! He ran in the 4.5s in his pro day. He ran a 4.69 at the Combine when he had food poisoning.
As long as we don't feed him spoiled food, he'll be fine.
Thanks! I like the centerfielder ballhawk profile. If speed is not a problem then I am happy with the pick.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
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But he didn't run well at the Combine. Can't argue with his production, though.
Elaborate.
Go fuck yourself.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
Because he's better?
Bromley 3rd round
Andre Williams 4th round
Damontre Moore 3rd round
Ryan Nassib 4th round
Reuben Randle 2nd round
Jayron Hosley 3rd round
Adrien Robinson 4th round
Brandon Mosley 4th round
Matvin Austin 2nd round
Jerrel Jernnigan 3rd round
James Brewer 4th round
Ahh...I did not know that, Andy. I feel much better about him now, seriously.
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And what if we trade for Anthony Davis? Would you like this pick then?
yes, if it gets Outhouse off the team
Shepard was an A pick
Darian Thompson is much better then Mykelle , Jesus watch some film before talking like you know
Kolby Listenbee
Andrew Billings
Kendall Fuller
Justin Simmons
Braxton Miller
As for Thompson, though, while speed seems to be a question, in the highlights he has football speed.....maybe Reese gets lucky....
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
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And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Cool with me. I can wait.
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
How do you know this?
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
Competition is good.
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
Thompson > Floyd :)
How do you know?
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
The Giants have tried to get away with late round picks and it hasn't worked (injuries played into that quite a bit but it hasn't worked nonetheless
). Premium pick on a safety was needed and they clearly think he works well with a safety who is without a doubt a physical tackler in Collins.
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
In my day that was called competitiom
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Nice.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
Well, it doesn't say much for him, that's for sure. He's not a lost cause yet, but he certainly hasn't distinguished himself in any discernible way, either.
As for your last sentence, yes. I mean, I would hope *at least* one out of these five could at least be decent, haha.
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Apple/Thompson -- with the investment in the secondary should be elite
Shepard -- top tier talent at WR if Cruz comes back
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
But this kid looks solid. Lack of speed is compensated for by his ballhawking skills.
It is not the type of pick that gets you excited but it could be a good value pick if this kid comes in and starts for 3-4 years.
In Rd. 3, it has been abysmal as a matter of fact,
anybody can look it up if they so desire.
Rounds 4-7 haven't been a bowl of cherries either.
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
Competition is good.
Thank you.
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
stop trying to make sense Eric.. !!!
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Like I said....you have no idea what is going to happen nor does anybody else
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
Good point. Let's stick with the existing secondary because it did so well.
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
Well, can't count Owa out yet although missing twelve games of your rookie season with injuries is not a good start.
Bromley actually saw quite a bit of playing time in 2015. Maybe some day he'll get his first NFL sack.
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
Graziano's a tool.
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point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
4.33 and 7.26
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Mykelle Thompson is a terrible pick and really not an NFL player. He was very average for Texas and not even the best DB they had. In fact he wasn't even expected to be drafted. Cooper Taylor was one of Reese's "athletic freak" reaches which hasn't panned out at all in 3 seasons. That leaves Jackson and Berhe, neither of which were high draft picks. I like this new pick and hope he can step in with Collins. Let Berhe and Jackson battle it our for the backup position.
They don't deserve it.
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
4.33 and 7.26
Thanks Ira. Those, I believe, are from the combine and not great. I was wondering about the pro day times.
I 100% agree with you. I'm not counting on those 3 at all. Injury baggage.
As far as the OL goes, as Sy pointed out, it wasn't a strength in the 3rd, so why reach. At this point we're tied to Jerry, Newhouse, Hart and a late round pick on the right side. This team had too many holes to fill in one off-season, so we're better off aiming for value and not reaching.
Absolutely! When I factored this in, the pick now looked like the best one possible for us in the third round.
19 of them, pointed this out on the Sy safety thread.
In addition, you possibly want to pair that one FS with lots of simple corner man cover, and, now that we have three corners like that, this makes even more sense, then, as above, also helps Collins to do his thing up closer.
This team is finally starting to integrate its moves into cohesive sets; the DL in free agency (would have done even more via draft, but , nonetheless, the Apple makes the Darius T more rational, the DL free agents makes the Apple more rational, the Darius makes the Collins more rational, etc).
19 INTs, great pick for the 3rd round.
Grade the draft an 'A' so far. Also like the WR.
Glad Reese addressed this position, better than hoping that one of the walking wounded will outplay their draft position.
I am confident we got a starter here to pair with Collins and someone who could have gone early second if he just called out sick at the combine.
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of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Both posts are true
Let's hope the picks beyond Round 2 from this year and last contribute something b/c the lack of contribution beyond Round 2 has killed this team for years.
Thompson (combine) -------- Butler (combine)
6'2 208 ------------------------ 6'2 / 213
4.69 --------------------------- 4.65 (40)
1.66 --------------------------- 1.69 (10 yard split)
32.5 ---------------------------- 40.5 (vert)
7.26 ----------------------------- 7.10 (3 cone)
118 ------------------------------ 127 (broad)
4.33 ----------------------------- 3.98 (shuttle)
Not by much and it's been pretty widely reported Thompson was sick and did much better at his pro day (couldn't find anything other than a 4.5 40). Butler also did better at his pro day according to NFL draft scout, but he did so much better (posted a Beckhamesque 6.7 3 cone that was almost a full half second faster than the combine) it must have been fast track because we all know he was anything but an elite athlete. Regardless, I'm hoping Thompson's floor is a smart, albeit athletically limited, deep safety like Butler who can keep things in front of him and take the ball away when he's in position (Butler had a respectable 11 INTs in 44 career starts). Hopefully he's better but even if not that type of player can fill a role here day 1.
Rich man's James Butler/poor man's Kenny Phillips?
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154
Guessing that's a misprint.
I saw the ame thing I don't think it's a miss print I want to find the details because in tape this guys looks fast,on one int that he dove for I swear that was the quickest move I seen it was in the endzone awesome play.