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New York Giants 3rd Round Pick: S Darian Thompson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 9:56 pm
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Didn't like him  
est1986 : 4/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
At the combine at all to be honest.
Decent pick  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
A need pick
51st ranked player on nfl. Com  
jlukes : 4/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
So seems like good value
???  
adamg : 4/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
I don't know why they did this, unless they can get a OT some other way...
He fell due to combine  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
I think his body of work is much better then combine work
Ball Hawk and good centerfielder  
Simms11 : 4/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
Which is a real need.
Nice pick  
DavidinBMNY : 4/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
Highly regarded player, his athleticism isn't off the chart but he was highly productive.

Secondary is a lot better after this draft. There is a lot of competition in a very young back end now.

The question now is re: offensive line. Will any move be made?
Slow.  
yatqb : 4/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
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Not bad. B/B+  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
He had a very nice Senior Bowl week and his 19 interceptions in his Boise State career are the most in Mountain West Conference history.
Would have preferred a pass rusher or a tackle.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
Vonn Bell... He is not.
Better than Mychal, Behre, Bennett?  
Bill L : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
Or in the mix?
RE: Slow.  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12935126 yatqb said:
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He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.
wtf  
illmatic : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
Why him over Simmons?
Would have taken a DT like Billings or Bullard  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
Or trade down
RE: ???  
Upstate Joe : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12935119 adamg said:
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I don't know why they did this, unless they can get a OT some other way...

A little panicky but I think they had him a little higher than most and saw the run on defensive backs coming
19 Career INTs  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
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Yet another pre-Giants pick commercial  
FranknWeezer : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
So we miss it. WTH IS GOING ON??
Big time ballhawk  
dpinzow : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
19 picks at FS for Boise so he has a serious nose for the football

However he needs some serious coaching because he takes lots of chances and sometimes gets faked out by a QB, letting receivers behind him in center field.

Speed is also an issue

4.69 40 time
RE: He fell due to combine  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12935120 hitdog42 said:
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I think his body of work is much better then combine work


All that matters to me
RE: Better than Mychal, Behre, Bennett?  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12935130 Bill L said:
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Or in the mix?


I think he's better than all three but I was never high on any of them. I could see Thompson winning the job out of the gate.
seems like the value just  
bluepepper : 4/29/2016 10:00 pm : link
wasn't there with OL. Can't complain, safety is a need and this kid ranked pretty high on some boards.
RE: Didn't like him  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/29/2016 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12935116 est1986 said:
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At the combine at all to be honest.


Was it his shirt or shorts?
Our  
DTgiants : 4/29/2016 10:00 pm : link
Running game and the right side of the offensive line will continue to suck
On second thought...  
adamg : 4/29/2016 10:00 pm : link
if he takes Cooper off the field... this is awesome...
Nfln just said he can't tackle  
Bill L : 4/29/2016 10:01 pm : link
:(
He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:01 pm : link
He's not slow
Mayock and others on NFL Network  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:01 pm : link
saying he has tackling issues.

Meh.
Thompson Twins at Safeties  
Anonymous Stranger Online : 4/29/2016 10:01 pm : link
Yeah bitch!
RE: RE: Slow.  
yatqb : 4/29/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12935131 Anakim said:
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He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.


4.61 there.
RE: Mayock and others on NFL Network  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12935150 Dave in Hoboken said:
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saying he has tackling issues.

Meh.


They killed him

I think he's a nice centerfielder yet drafted for need
Very good pick  
sjnyfan : 4/29/2016 10:02 pm : link
Definition of center fielder
Expected Bullard  
JAG One : 4/29/2016 10:02 pm : link
But FS is glaring need.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:02 pm : link
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.
RE: Mayock and others on NFL Network  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
In comment 12935150 Dave in Hoboken said:
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saying he has tackling issues.

Meh.


But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.
And to be fair to Reese  
adamg : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
Our secondary is now solid for several years...
NFL.com page  
David B. : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
here says he ran a "4.0" 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154

Guessing that's a misprint.
Not bad  
bigblue12 : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
Wonder if they could have gotten KJ Dillon or another safety in round 4. Hard to believe they have not taken a lineman on either side of the ball yet. I hope they can swing a deal for A. Davis.
Ball hawk!  
Kevin in CT : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
Guys, we got a center fielder!
I dont know  
Glover : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
if the picks were the right picks, but I can't complain about the positions they have taken so far. Still need a DE, OT, and then maybe interior OL or DL.
ball hawk CF  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
yea sign me up!!
I wonder if they'll consider moving B Jackson back to CB now?  
Simms11 : 4/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
Need more depth there, as well. Didn't we draft a FS named Thompson in the 5 th last year?! LOL
takes bad angles  
SHO'NUFF : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
I don't know...can't say much...don't know too much about him...would have liked to have O-line help.
no linemen  
BigBlueCane : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
in the first 3 picks.

Because Jints Central didn't watch any of the games last year.
Usual  
XBRONX : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
Jerry third round crap pick. After round two Reese would be better off letting someone throw a dart at his draft board. Wimp safety.
RE: Would have taken a DT like Billings or Bullard  
GiantsLaw : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12935133 Mike in NY said:
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Or trade down


+1
..  
HeavyLevy : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
Guys Combine doesn't matter are you serious?

Kelvin benjamin said he went Slower so he would fall in the draft to the Panthers.

This guy looks like the real deal.

And Broke a Record set by Eric Weddle. Watch out
Listening to NFL Radio  
Rflairr : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
Gil Brandt thinks hes a good solid player. Good guy to pair with Collins
RE: ...  
est1986 : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12935158 Eric from BBI said:
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.


Is Rapoport talking about our guy ???
The kid has 19 picks - thats huge  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
and that's what we need back there to complement Collins.
cool?  
Route 9 : 4/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
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RE: RE: Mayock and others on NFL Network  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12935159 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 12935150 Dave in Hoboken said:


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saying he has tackling issues.

Meh.



But they also said he has great ball skills and a nose for the ball. Sounds like a real ball-hawking FS (which we need), but needs to be more physical. He's big too. I like it for a 3rd rounder.


Yeah, definitely a plus. Has to learn how to tackle, though.
RE: Usual  
Rflairr : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12935169 XBRONX said:
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Jerry third round crap pick. After round two Reese would be better off letting someone throw a dart at his draft board. Wimp safety.


Shut up. You don't know a damn thing about this player
Draft Scout had him at 64  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
Mayock didn't have him in his top 100
Best part of this pick  
bhill410 : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
Weather ford introduction
We  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
have to keep drafting safeties because Reese cant find one. Taylor, Berhe, Thompson. Same story with the OL. Hard to believe he was the best guy on the board. Billings or Bullard seem like better picks.
Right position, wrong player  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
Thompson looks good on tape against lower competition....not sure he is a guy that brings a higher level of play over what they already have. It's a logjam of mediocrity at FS.

Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.
Tackling is a concern..  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
But this is the type of player that needs to play next to Collins. I'm on board.
I like it. I would've preferred Justin Simmons but Thompson was  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
my second best FS remaining. I absolutely hate our safeties (aside from Landon Collins of course) so I didn't mind that we chose for need here.
Tackling can be taught  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
He has size and a serious nose for the fb. Need turnovers. He can be coached.
to those saying we need to address the OL...  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
i dont disagree, but there's a reason we're picking top 10 for the 2nd straight year. we weren't a good team, there are a ton of needs...i think we've been addressing them one by one thus far.

can't draft 6 guys with 1 pick...
I really didn't expect a safety taken this high  
SirYesSir : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
If our FS  
chopperhatch : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
Is the primary tackler on most plays, we have bigger problems.

This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.
RE: Draft Scout had him at 64  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12935179 jeff57 said:
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Mayock didn't have him in his top 100


You can tell when Mayock likes a player and doesn't by the tone of his voice, haha.
RE: RE: Mayock and others on NFL Network  
The 12th Man : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12935155 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12935150 Dave in Hoboken said:


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saying he has tackling issues.

Meh.



They killed him

I think he's a nice centerfielder yet drafted for need


They did not kill him they said due to his speed sometimes he takes poor angles on the tackles. This they said can be cleaned up with proper coaching which they believe he will get at the next level. They also said the kid can make plays as evidenced by his 19 Int's
RE: And to be fair to Reese  
DCOrange : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12935160 adamg said:
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Our secondary is now solid for several years...


So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?
RE: RE: RE: Slow.  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12935153 yatqb said:
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He ran in the 4.5s in his Pro Day. He's not slow.



4.61 there.


4.53 and 4.55 is what I saw based on the reports. Far from slow
So many contradictory opinions on the guy....  
Milton : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
Boylhart likes him....
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Darian is a smart, knows where hes supposed to be and does what hes supposed to do Safety. He has solid athletic talent and has no problems coming up to help out against the run. He has just enough cover skills and excellent size to cover bigger slot receivers and the change of direction skills to make life not very easy for those small slot receivers. Darian has the hands to make the interception and the run back skills that make you think he might be able to play on the other side of the ball as a third down running back, but I digress. Darian waits for a quarterback to make a mistake and then he makes them pay intercepting passes that most safeties would find hard to catch. In fact, most safeties are not even thinking about intercepting the ball, but Darian has the instincts and understands where his defensive pressure is going to come from against a quarterback and anticipates the mistake happening before it happens. He is smart because he understands more than just his position.

full profile - ( New Window )
Looks like a Zone guy  
RAIN : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
that guesses a lot and doesn't tackle. They must have had some info. Liked Apple, loved Sheppard, this one... is kinda meh for me. I'm going to have to look up some cutups on him.
RE: RE: And to be fair to Reese  
adamg : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12935193 DCOrange said:
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In comment 12935160 adamg said:


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Our secondary is now solid for several years...



So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?


It's like you read my mind, dude. That's exactly what my point was.
RE: NFL.com page  
Simms11 : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12935161 David B. said:
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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154

Guessing that's a misprint.


Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.
Thought maybe Justin Simmons  
David B. : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
if they were going FS.

Be nice to have a ball hawk, though. Not like he could be much worse than the guys they played back there last year.
It should have been Justin Simmons  
Ira : 4/29/2016 10:07 pm : link
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We needed a center fielder and we got one  
UConn4523 : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.
he is  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
playmaker im happy with the pick, we have fixed the secondary 4500 yards given up last season
RE: I like it. I would've preferred Justin Simmons but Thompson was  
chopperhatch : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
In comment 12935185 Anakim said:
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my second best FS remaining. I absolutely hate our safeties (aside from Landon Collins of course) so I didn't mind that we chose for need here.


Bennet Jackson as a utility DB sounds nice to me. Can play safety or corner. 3 safety sets. I like Jackson. Assuming he stays healthy.
I think the Giants plan  
DonnieD89 : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
is back to forcing errant throws due to pressure from the front. Now you have ball Hawks like Jenkins and Thompson for those errant throws.
RE: ...  
muhajir : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
In comment 12935158 Eric from BBI said:
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago

The #Giants select at No. 71, #BoiseSt S Darian Thompson. An old-school hitter, this is a mentality pick. Physical.


Seems like everyone else is saying hes a center fielder type, not a SS
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."
RE: We needed a center fielder and we got one  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12935202 UConn4523 said:
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what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.


I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..
RE: RE: And to be fair to Reese  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/29/2016 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12935193 DCOrange said:
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In comment 12935160 adamg said:


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Our secondary is now solid for several years...



So drafting a guy makes the secondary solid for several years regardless of whether he is any good?


Oh for fuck's sake. How do you guys even get out of bed in the morning. It's all doom and gloom.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:09 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. A "centerfielder". A "ball-hawk safety."
Reese said  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/29/2016 10:09 pm : link
a competition pick, hardly and strong endorsement.
Need pick...don't love it as they left talent on the board for him  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
Riverboat gambler on the backend. Not elite physical tools in terms of speed and agility. Oddly I like his ability to sift and hit near the LoS better than his projection as a ballhawking centerfield type S in the NFL. Wish him and us well with this pick...we'll need it.
Walterfootball live grade  
KevinBBWC : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
New York Giants: Darian Thompson, S, Boise State A- Grade
Darian Thompson could've easily been chosen in the middle of the second round, so this is great value. Thompson also fills a need, as New York had to obtain help next to Landon Collins. Thompson has tackling concerns, but he's a play-maker who will create turnovers for the Giants.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades3.php#l4270C5v1h7Vi4iB.99
Simmons  
PaulN : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
Was the guy I thought they should grab, this is a pick that I guess I don't like much, why not Simmons? I understood Apple over Hargeaves, I loved Shepherd, this I can't get behind and Reese never hits on this type of pick. Typical Reese bullshit.
This  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
Is what I read
Our pick - ( New Window )
Another high  
Pete in MD : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
character guy. He's well-liked by everyone apparently.
RE: RE: NFL.com page  
chopperhatch : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
In comment 12935199 Simms11 said:
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In comment 12935161 David B. said:


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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154

Guessing that's a misprint.



Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.


Go back to sleep.he ran 4.53 and 4.55 at his pro day.
RE: If our FS  
Mason : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
In comment 12935190 chopperhatch said:
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Is the primary tackler on most plays, we have bigger problems.

This guy is a center fielder. We have corners now so he can sit back and look at routes looking to jump. Kinda curious what they saw in him over Simmons.


That's what I thought as well. The SS should be the pure tackler and the FS the hands, finesse guy that plays the ball. If your FS is playing the receiver that means you have trouble at corner.
don't know much about him  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
Would like to see more speed in the secondary, but they do need a ballhawk.
At least we have a starting FS  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 10:10 pm : link
Thompson, Collins, DRC, Jenkins, Apple in the secondary. Not bad.
What the hell is wrong with these guys  
ghost718 : 4/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
Break out the dart board
Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
An entire new secondary besides DRC.

Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
RE: Reese said  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
In comment 12935212 Steve in South Jersey said:
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a competition pick, hardly and strong endorsement.


He's not going to declare a third rounder the starter 10 minutes after he was drafted.
RE: I really didn't expect a safety taken this high  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
In comment 12935189 SirYesSir said:
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.


Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.

Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.

There was certainly room to bring in more talent.
Both ESPN and NFLN  
giantsfan227B : 4/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
Said he is a ball hawk and a heavy hitter but takes poor angles and as a safety needs to tackle better. If they can teach him how to take angles better this should allow Collins to play in box and play the run which is more his game because his coverage skills weren't great last year.

And honestly if this means we won't see Unga covering the top TE's in the league, I will take it.
RE: Right position, wrong player  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12935182 Sy'56 said:
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Thompson looks good on tape against lower competition....not sure he is a guy that brings a higher level of play over what they already have. It's a logjam of mediocrity at FS.

Has ball skills and can wear a few hats. Not a bad pick. But he lacks some tools.


I don't know about that, Sy. He had a very nice Senior Bowl week and he played very well against Virginia (as Greg may attest to) and Washington.
I don't know about this one.  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
If they were looking for a "centerfielder," I wish they'd taken Justin Simmons.
RE: RE: We needed a center fielder and we got one  
UConn4523 : 4/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12935209 Dave in Hoboken said:
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what 3rd rounder is perfect? We needed a ball hawk and hopefully he fits the bill. 19 picks suggests he has a nose for the ball which is perfectly fine with me.



I don't think there is a pick in the world that you would disagree with though, to be fair..


I'm indifferent, don't know the player. I keep seeing people wish we picked this or that player and I just sit back and laugh. Unless we are taking a punter or someone with baggage I really don't have a strong opinion after the first couple rounds when I don't know the players much.
Here's a full game against UVA - not a powerhouse but still ACC  
Eric on Li : 4/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
looks pretty good and really seems to know how to go up for the ball.

McGinn's review called him the smartest safety in the draft with great ball skills and good coverage skills in both man/zone. Mayock echoed most of that. Sounds like he's a willing tackler but took bad angles that led to big plays also. It sounds like his ball skills are among the best in the draft, I like that roll of the dice. We certainly don't have anyone proven at FS.
Darian Thompson vs. UVA - ( New Window )
Everyone is  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:13 pm : link
creaming over Simmons and that's great, but he hasn't been drafted yet. Obviously, teams see faults in his game as well. Thompson is a flat out ball hawk and a good physical football player. So he didn't run well at the combine - oh well. Can he catch? Can he make plays for once - something we haven't had in years? Yes!
RE: Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among  
adamg : 4/29/2016 10:13 pm : link
In comment 12935224 Giants2012 said:
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An entire new secondary besides DRC.

Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New


Vernon said JPP and JT Thomas are the leaders on the line and LBs respectively. JJ said DRC is the leader on the DBs, but looking at their interviews, Berhe and Jackson seem like good leaders too.
Hopefully  
PaulN : 4/29/2016 10:13 pm : link
He works out.
RE: Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among  
Torn Tendon : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
In comment 12935224 Giants2012 said:
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An entire new secondary besides DRC.

Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New

I'd expect that during camp and the season that Collins and Jenkins will become leaders in the secondary with DRC. Perhaps Berhe too.
Great pick and fills a need  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
Solid draft so far.
hah....Anak, EVERYONE on Boise looked great against us  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
That was one of the most embarrassing games I've ever watched. Turned it off in the second quarter.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 46s46 seconds ago

"Darian can tackle in the open field and can play in a variety of different looks." - Coach McAdoo
A lot of east coast bias  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
With wanting Simmons
He just may be  
JPinstripes : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
a day 1 starter on this team. He is a ballhawk with natural game instincts and a solid understanding of the position. I can dig it...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
Dan Graziano ESPN Staff Writer

Darian Thompson had 19 career interceptions at Boise State. "He's very instinctive," Giants coach Ben McAdoo said. "He has tremendous ball skills, but the instincts and the twitch make it happen for him."
RE: RE: Reese said  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
In comment 12935225 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 12935212 Steve in South Jersey said:


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a competition pick, hardly and strong endorsement.



He's not going to declare a third rounder the starter 10 minutes after he was drafted.

As he shouldn't.
First player comparison  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2016 10:14 pm : link
that comes to mind is none other than our old buddy, Stevie Brown. Poor angles, poor tackling ...just hope he has the attitude to Be more than just a centerfielder.
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nicky43 : 4/29/2016 10:15 pm : link
In comment 12935207 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."


So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!

Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.

RE: RE: I really didn't expect a safety taken this high  
adamg : 4/29/2016 10:15 pm : link
In comment 12935226 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.



Is Berhe really a free/cover safety? He seems like more of a hitter than anything.

Jackson and Thompson are late round players.Jackson a converted corner who was not really a big time talent in college.

There was certainly room to bring in more talent.


Berhe is a SS. Jackson would be good as a slot/FS utility guy. He also seems like a good leader and smart player.
The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks  
steve in ky : 4/29/2016 10:15 pm : link
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A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
McAdoo says he has twitch  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
"sticks his foot in the ground and goes 0 to 60"
Reese's  
Anonymous Stranger Online : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
Choir boys! gotta love them. But it kind of limits and your choices. This is the third year I think of this new policy. Can't really complain.
Amazing the fall off in Scouting once we leave the  
Shadow : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
First two rounds? There was better talent on the board.
RE: A lot of east coast bias  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12935240 hitdog42 said:
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With wanting Simmons


Hitdog, what about Billings? If you can't post I understand
RE: RE: ...  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12935247 nicky43 said:
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."



So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!

Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.


At least he didn't go BPA (a theory I despise).
Not that I expected OL in the 3rd  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
But it's pretty obvious the NYG staff and FO aren't as scared off over the right side of the OL like us fans. Let's hope they're right. I have a suspicion though that Jerry and Newhouse will not allow this offense to reach its full potential....
Reese  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
is declaring that he has no confidence in anyone at S except Collins, who himself was definitely shaky at times last year. A lot of bodies at S, with no one having proven himself. Like the backup OL. Having to consistently redraft the same position is not good.
RE: The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12935249 steve in ky said:
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A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-



I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.
UVA not a powerhouse?  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
That's putting it mildly.

Bronco Mendenhall is gonna bring us back though #HoosRising
RE: RE: Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12935236 Torn Tendon said:
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An entire new secondary besides DRC.

Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New


I'd expect that during camp and the season that Collins and Jenkins will become leaders in the secondary with DRC. Perhaps Berhe too.


Well, IMO, the leader/orchestrator needs to make the calls and not sure Collins can make the calls or read the offense. He's a down in the box safety IMO with three CB's and a FS centerfielder.
I guess Behre is another wasted pick.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
Nice.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 46s47 seconds ago

"Darian has great ball skills and a really good feel for the game." - Marc Ross
'Jerry and Newhouse will not allow '....  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
...this offense to reach its full potential'.

I agree.
RE: Amazing the fall off in Scouting once we leave the  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
In comment 12935254 Shadow said:
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First two rounds? There was better talent on the board.


I disagree. Thompson was among the better players left
Based on the way  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
this draft is going there will be plenty of OL talent in the 4th round. I like this pick a lot. Thompson is a baller.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 11s11 seconds ago

"This guy is a ball-hawk." - Marc Ross on Darian Thompson
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 23s23 seconds ago

Marc Ross on Darian Thompson: "His instincts are what separates him."
Stunk it up  
XBRONX : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
against BYU
Projected #58  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
By PFT
58 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
In comment 12935247 nicky43 said:
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So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!

Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.


You're insufferable.
He was sick at the combine  
Andy in Boston : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
For all the critics .... Ran a 4.53 at his pro day
I understand why people are clamoring for OL  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
But it's just not a particularly strong draft for linemen.
RE: RE: The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks  
steve in ky : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
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A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-





I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.


LOL


"Grab some free food from our buffet on the way out young man"
RE: RE: ...  
Torn Tendon : 4/29/2016 10:19 pm : link
In comment 12935247 nicky43 said:
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."



So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!

Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.

I thought they said he's a good tackler. He's missed some tackles as the last defender and that was due to a bad angle not bad tackling technique.

So it's getting into position to make a tackle that he needs to work on.
He was talked up prior to the combines as one of the best safeties  
Mason : 4/29/2016 10:20 pm : link
but disappointed there. I'm never sure how much stock to put into combines. Same thing happened to Collins last year. Was rated #1 safety then combines and then he fell.
Really Mark  
XBRONX : 4/29/2016 10:20 pm : link
from NFL.com Instincts and awareness in coverage will scare coaches when they study the tape
Mykkele Thompson  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/29/2016 10:20 pm : link
I remember reading that he had experience at CB and FS in college. I would hope that with a year of work on his speed, endurance, and flexibility that this guy might be a candidate for some play at CB. Jackson & Thompson could be valuable as versatile guys who could line up on a 3rd or 4th WR one on one on the outside if need be.
mmm  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2016 10:21 pm : link
at one point he was the top ranked safety...i am good with this pick...many people will say simmons simmons just like epople cried for hargreaves....who is to say the guys we took arent better? time will tell.
He was a team captain  
Canton : 4/29/2016 10:21 pm : link
High character guy. Smart player, who calls the plays in center field, and he's a ball hawk. He can get coached up on the angles and tackling. I believe in our coaches. He could be a starter for us. I like it guys.
RE: Not that I expected OL in the 3rd  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12935257 The_Boss said:
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But it's pretty obvious the NYG staff and FO aren't as scared off over the right side of the OL like us fans. Let's hope they're right. I have a suspicion though that Jerry and Newhouse will not allow this offense to reach its full potential....


JR just doesn't understand the value a great o-line gives you. They think the 3 steps and pass make up for it which completely ignores the running game. So we'll go 5 years in a row with a mediocre o-line.

Your all going to like him  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
When he starts picking off passes. Angles and tackling can be taught. Good size, good speed and great hands, holds onto int. Evidently they liked him more than Simmons.
Watched some tape  
RAIN : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
he can ball. He has moxy. He's going to have to tighten up on the back end, but he is definitely fast enough. Don't be scared by the combine. He is smart.. but will have some bumps as he learns and guesses wrong.

A thought.. He could be used as a third safety, and hybrid LB type, but the guy is smart and does guess right.
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Carson53 : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154

Guessing that's a misprint.



Try 4.69 40, which is not great for a safety that has to keep up and react to quicker receivers.



Go back to sleep.he ran 4.53 and 4.55 at his pro day.


You would have quite the scoop if he did!
Not an O Lineman yet, wow.
Don't depend on other teams' scraps to help the O Line,
they just signed 3 JAGS for the O Line recently.
RE: RE: RE: The draft tracker I'm following gave this pick high marks  
Torn Tendon : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
In comment 12935278 steve in ky said:
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I am starting to wonder if the Giants are giving thess prospects food poisoning so they drop in the draft so we can take them.



LOL


"Grab some free food from our buffet on the way out young man"


Here's some Mexican water and some shrimp we've left in the hot sun for several hours.
'Thompson was among the better players left'...  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
...egads no.

But this is why I say everyone sees these prospects through their own lens. Even the professionals paid to evaluate them. It's human beings projecting the performance of other human beings. NFL Draft analysis is no science.
RE: He was talked up prior to the combines as one of the best safeties  
Canton : 4/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
In comment 12935281 Mason said:
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but disappointed there. I'm never sure how much stock to put into combines. Same thing happened to Collins last year. Was rated #1 safety then combines and then he fell.


Beckham said the combine is over rated.
He did look good at the Senior Bowl.  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 10:23 pm : link
But he didn't run well at the Combine. Can't argue with his production, though.
RE: He did look good at the Senior Bowl.  
Coach Mason : 4/29/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12935297 Klaatu said:
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But he didn't run well at the Combine. Can't argue with his production, though.


Elaborate.
another year of Marshall Outhouse  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/29/2016 10:24 pm : link
SIGHH
Thompson and Jenkins make picks  
jeff57 : 4/29/2016 10:24 pm : link
This team hasn't had enough DBs who do that in recent years.
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Mason : 4/29/2016 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12935279 Torn Tendon said:
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Jerry Reese says Darian Thompson is a free safety. "Center fielder, makes the calls, solid tackler."



So JR doesn't even know the scoop on this dude is that he can't tackle? LOL!

Hopefully this will be JR's LAST draft! So far he's 1 for 3 in this one.



I thought they said he's a good tackler. He's missed some tackles as the last defender and that was due to a bad angle not bad tackling technique.

So it's getting into position to make a tackle that he needs to work on.


He's going to need to clean that up quick because his CBs are BIG risk takers. Hell I think Apple will be the only CB that plays his man vs ball.

If you are into takeaways this secondary has a bunch of guys looking to get the interception and return. LOL Apple and Collins will be racking up the tackles though.
You guys realize  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:24 pm : link
we had pretty much the worst defense in NFL history last year right? And the offense was 8th in the league? We can get depth, possibly a starting G or RT down the road with these next few picks. We need fucking defensive playmakers.
'Ran a 4.53 at his pro day'...  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:25 pm : link
...is 4.58-4.63 in Indy.

Hope the young man excels and has a long and successful career with the Giants. I admit to a strong dose of skepticism on this pick. Time will tell.

Thompson  
Carson53 : 4/29/2016 10:25 pm : link
You didn't hear comments from the organization about how
well he tackles, not a coincidence.
RE: another year of Marshall Outhouse  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 10:25 pm : link
In comment 12935303 Paulie Walnuts said:
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SIGHH


I feel your pain. Unfortunately Eli will as well. And he's not as young as he used to be.
I like this player --- had him as a target in Second Round....  
M.S. : 4/29/2016 10:26 pm : link

...to the Giants. See post below from April 10th, Round 2:


***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

Giants Draft: Rounds One through Four...

M.S. : 4/10/2016 11:28 am
...two players I like in each round within the context of our current team, and who I "think" may be available in each round based on several Mock Drafts floating around out there.

This isn't a Mock Draft, but just something I've put together so I can pontificate on something hypothetical, speculative and probably has little -- if anything -- to do with the way the Draft will actually unfold.

One huge bias I have right from the get-go, which many on BBI have a different viewpoint ... out of all the needs the Giants have, I believe Wide Receiver is trailing the pack... by far.

Round One:

Ronnie Stanley (Offensive Tackle; Notre Dame)
May not be there, but he's the book move IMO because his selection represents two positions: Stanley to LT and Flowers to RT.

Sheldon Rankins (Defensive Tackle; Louisville)
May have a better chance of being there at 10 than Stanley. Best DT in this Draft who plays in the backfield and messes up offensive line play in a big way. When he is wreaking havoc, we don't have to worry as much about a bad-to-mediocre LB unit. He also represents cost-containment when Hankins moves on. Put him next to "Snacks" and release the hounds.

Round Two:

Darian Thompson (Free Safety; Boise State)
The best free safety in the Draft at a position of desperate need for the Giants. He has got ball reaction instincts far superior to anything at Safety on our current roster. I've read here about Landon Collins being a full time Free Safety. How can that be with a guy who can't track the ball over his head. I want Collins at strong safety closer to the LOS. Why Cooper Taylor's name keeps being mentioned is beyond my comprehension... an injury-plagued, low-level talent is not the way to go!


Kendall Fuller (Cornerback; Va Tech)
There is zero depth behind the very strong starting duo of DRC and Janoris Jenkins. Kendall Fuller will soon be a quality starting CB in the NFL and will automatically become our first guy off the bench in the slot. He is the complete package and -- despite his size -- is a very willing tackler. IMO, his athleticism alone makes him a great pick here... his production only solidifies that.

Round Three

Deion Jones (OLB; LSU)
You don't put this guy over a TE... play him in space and watch him wreak havoc all over the field. Was very surprised to read his weight is below 230! Jones has got a huge lower power-train, so I think he can carry a lot more weight. He flies into lanes and is a heat-seeking missile. Plays on Specials from Day One and can replace JT Thomas in Year Two (maybe Year One.)

Christian Westerman (OG or C; Arizona State)
I would pick him in the third round even if we go Ronnie Stanley in the first. And if it's Sheldon Rankins in the first, than I would definitely go with this guy over Deion Jones. We have no offensive line depth and this guy can eventually start in his first year at right guard. Westerman is an accomplished run blocker and can get to the second level with a lot of attitude. Saw him play... he is strong and he is mean.

Round Four

Blake Martinez (MLB; Stanford)
I think this guy is everything you want in the middle. He's sees the play... he attacks the play. He just goes when the ball is snapped and he goes to the right place. He tackles and he covers which is quite a novelty for our team. Probably will not be selected because I think we are OK with Brinkley and Robinson in the middle. But I still think the world of Martinez and I want him on the team!

Alex Collins (RB; Arkansas)
Love this very thick-set running back. You look at this guy and you wouldn't think he could both charge into the LOS and shift directions in a small place at the same time. But he can! He also has tremendous balance and is an all-around tough guy. We can drop Andre Williams the moment Alex Collins is drafted.

So... based on the above, here are two scenarios with the one constant being Free Safety in Round Two:


Scenario One:
Round One: Ronnie Stanley; OT
Round Two: Darian Thompson: FS
Round Three: Deion Jones: OLB
Round Four: Alex Collins RB

Scenario Two:
Round One: Sheldon Rankins; DT
Round Two: Darian Thompson: FS
Round Three: Christian Westerman; OG/C
Round Four: Blake Martinez; MLB
I'm strongly advocating acquiring Davis from the 49ers...  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:26 pm : link
...after missing on upgrading the right side of our O-line in this Draft.
Does anyone beside a few actually do HW on the draft?  
william08 : 4/29/2016 10:27 pm : link
This pick was great.

Said his 'tackling issue' is fixable.
We needed a Centerfield error not a LB type tackler.
Our draft has been a steady B+

End of day, is the team better? YES
Starting Nickle, eventually a starting CB.
Wr2 is set. We could have 3 of the most explosive WRS in the NFL. If Cruz comes back, which looks likely, we have O'Dell and Sterling who can score anytime they touch the ball. He is great at possession too. Add a healthy Cruz and Harris as our4th and Eli is set.
Darian Thompson was one of the top ball hawking FSN in this draft. I yell out yes, come on here to who is this guy?
Doom and gloom. NFL network said he took bad angles tackling which can be fixed easily. We need a ballhawk (he had 19 picks), not a SS, we have tough tackler in Collins

Chill out guys we still have picks tomorrow
June 1st cuts
We will have someone better then Newhouse at RT. Anthony Davis is a dream.
But there will be plenty of talent left to draft. O'Hara went un drafted. Plenty of good players go in the 4th 5th yth and 7th.
Look at Willie Colon yth Rd played over 12 years at OL. Josh Norman in the 5th and so on.


Did the Giants get better, definitely yes, getting Shepard with ODell was beautiful. Apple is today's CB. Long and lanky that plays hard in your face press. Can ease into lineup startingNguyen at Nicole this year.
A ballhawk S.
Another electric WR.

Some just like popular names?
Has 1,1 mock been even close ? Nope

Scouts know their stuff
Darian
RE: RE: another year of Marshall Outhouse  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 10:27 pm : link
In comment 12935314 nicky43 said:
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SIGHH



I feel your pain. Unfortunately Eli will as well. And he's not as young as he used to be.

The Giants were tied for 4th in the league for least amount of sacks given up.
RE: another year of Marshall Outhouse  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12935303 Paulie Walnuts said:
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SIGHH


And what if we trade for Anthony Davis? Would you like this pick then?
Jerry's track record in the third round has not been good  
Vanzetti : 4/29/2016 10:28 pm : link
so I don't blame posters who are skeptical.

But this kid looks solid. Lack of speed is compensated for by his ballhawking skills.

It is not the type of pick that gets you excited but it could be a good value pick if this kid comes in and starts for 3-4 years.
RE: I'm strongly advocating acquiring Davis from the 49ers...  
nicky43 : 4/29/2016 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12935326 Torrag said:
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...after missing on upgrading the right side of our O-line in this Draft.


I completely agree. Trade whatever it takes because beef up the right side oline and our offense will be uneatable!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:28 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 3m3 minutes ago

Darian Thompson: "I'm excited that they pulled the trigger on me. I'm sure they're excited as well." #Giants
I like this pick ....  
Manny in CA : 4/29/2016 10:28 pm : link
We haven't had anybody that scares opposing QBs into not taking deep ball chances. Excellent pick.
RE: Amazing the fall off in Scouting once we leave the  
theold5j : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
Are u a scout? I'm not being funny. Who is the better talent.

In comment 12935254 Shadow said:
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First two rounds? There was better talent on the board.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 2m2 minutes ago East Rutherford, NJ

Darian Thompson, new Giants safety, says "I'm an extremely smart football player.''
Will you stop about the oline  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
They are not going to pick a oline if the value is not there. They fixed the secondary and wr positions. Now they can look to oline and olb.
Berhe  
Fish : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Sorry  
william08 : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
Auto correct sucks
RE: He was sick at the combine  
Amtoft : 4/29/2016 10:29 pm : link
In comment 12935276 Andy in Boston said:
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For all the critics .... Ran a 4.53 at his pro day


I was surprised this is just now being brought up. He was sick at the combine and yet still worked out and still ran. He is extremely tough... had a great senior bowl week and had 5 tackles with 2 PD in the game. Ran a 4.53 at pro day... probably a 4.61-4.63 guy which is plenty fast. 19 picks is a lot and the missed tackles they say is because he was trying to do to much on a Defense that was lacking talent
You guys are pissed  
Dave on the UWS : 4/29/2016 10:30 pm : link
they don't address a position then when they do you're not happy. Brother
Special teams  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/29/2016 10:30 pm : link
with the concern with his speed, I am guessing that he will not contribute to special teams.
RE: Berhe  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12935347 Fish said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.


Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
'The Giants were tied for 4th in the league'...  
Torrag : 4/29/2016 10:31 pm : link
...for least amount of sacks given up.'

A misleading stat directly attributable to how fast the ball comes out and Eli's pocket sense. Doesn't give an accurate picture of the consistent pressure and harassment Eli dealt with.
RE: Berhe  
Amtoft : 4/29/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12935347 Fish said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.


You arent really comparing taking 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks with 2nd and 3rd round picks are you?
RE: Berhe  
section125 : 4/29/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12935347 Fish said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.


Are you speaking English?
RE: Special teams  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12935353 Steve in South Jersey said:
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with the concern with his speed, I am guessing that he will not contribute to special teams.


There is no concern with his speed! He ran in the 4.5s in his pro day. He ran a 4.69 at the Combine when he had food poisoning.

As long as we don't feed him spoiled food, he'll be fine.
Here are his Pro Day results from Gil Brandt  
Tom in NY : 4/29/2016 10:32 pm : link
"Safety Darian Thompson: Thompson (6-2, 213) was suffering from an illness at the combine and came back to have a good pro day. He ran a 4.6-second 40 (4.69 at the combine) and had 13 lifts. I was told he tracked and caught the ball well in position drills."

Interesting that his slow time at the combine could be due to illness.
Boise Pro Day results - ( New Window )
SBN mocked him to Oakland at 44  
dk in TX : 4/29/2016 10:32 pm : link
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44th - ( New Window )
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:32 pm : link
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STRENGTHS: Tall, filled-out frame, working hard to max out his build. Always on the hunt with consistently fast play speed, covering a lot of ground. Anticipates well with the play in front of him, floating and undercutting routes to make plays on the ball. Accurately reads the eyes of quarterbacks to bait throws - film junkie and picks up on tendencies.

Aggressive downhill with a physical mind-set, taking on contact. Outstanding ball-skills and ball awareness, locating with the focus to finish interceptions. Acrobatic skills to make diving catches look routine. Competitive intangibles desired for the next level with unforced leadership ("a guy you want to be around all the time," according to a teammate). Durable four-year starter.

WEAKNESSES: Tight lower body and upright transition, struggling to flip his hips and stay in phase downfield. Shorter arms and overaggressive angles leads to missed tackles in run support. Needs to better control his momentum to break down on the move. Inconsistent jam technique.

Struggles to recover after false steps with stiff change of direction skills and ordinary catch-up speed. Undisciplined vision and his eyes pay rent in the backfield, allowing pass-catchers to gain a step. Marginal instincts with his back to the ball.

COMPARES TO: Bacarri Rambo, Buffalo Bills - Although false steps and aggressive reads will lead to big plays for the offense, safeties like Rambo and Thompson have the playmaking skills to post their fair share of big plays as well.

IN OUR VIEW: Thompson has the anticipation and ball-skills to read quarterbacks and make plays on the ball, but he also guesses too much and lacks the same cover skills once asked to turn and run. His inconsistencies make it tough to trust him as the last line of defense, but his playmaking instincts and toughness will interest NFL coaches as a downhill safety.

--Dane Brugler (2/10/16)
RE: RE: Special teams  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/29/2016 10:33 pm : link
In comment 12935360 Anakim said:
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with the concern with his speed, I am guessing that he will not contribute to special teams.



There is no concern with his speed! He ran in the 4.5s in his pro day. He ran a 4.69 at the Combine when he had food poisoning.

As long as we don't feed him spoiled food, he'll be fine.


Thanks! I like the centerfielder ballhawk profile. If speed is not a problem then I am happy with the pick.
Anakim  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2016 10:33 pm : link
Is right. I'd be surprised if they don't pull off a trade for Davis. Fits to a t. Jersey guy, contract not huge, only 26.good RT. Won't cost a ton. Maybe tomorrow or after draft.
Mykkele thompson was over drafted anyway.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2016 10:33 pm : link
Berhe has a chance to contribute. It's not as if he has to leave the team.
Only Giants fans  
Big Rick in FL : 4/29/2016 10:34 pm : link
Can bitch about getting burned over the top & not covering TEs. Then bitch about a guy who has forced 21 career turnovers, 15 TFL & 15 pass deflections.
RE: Berhe  
Kevin in CT : 4/29/2016 10:34 pm : link
In comment 12935347 Fish said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.


For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
RE: RE: He did look good at the Senior Bowl.  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 10:35 pm : link
In comment 12935302 Coach Mason said:
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But he didn't run well at the Combine. Can't argue with his production, though.



Elaborate.


Go fuck yourself.
If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:35 pm : link
And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
It's about who is available  
william08 : 4/29/2016 10:36 pm : link
Sterling Shepard was a great pick Imo.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
RE: wtf  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/29/2016 10:37 pm : link
In comment 12935132 illmatic said:
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Why him over Simmons?

Because he's better?
There were plenty of bad picks  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:38 pm : link
in the middle rounds (2-4), if we want to go down that road:

Bromley 3rd round
Andre Williams 4th round
Damontre Moore 3rd round
Ryan Nassib 4th round
Reuben Randle 2nd round
Jayron Hosley 3rd round
Adrien Robinson 4th round
Brandon Mosley 4th round
Matvin Austin 2nd round
Jerrel Jernnigan 3rd round
James Brewer 4th round
RE: He was sick at the combine  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12935276 Andy in Boston said:
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For all the critics .... Ran a 4.53 at his pro day


Ahh...I did not know that, Andy. I feel much better about him now, seriously.
RE: RE: another year of Marshall Outhouse  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/29/2016 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12935335 Anakim said:
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SIGHH



And what if we trade for Anthony Davis? Would you like this pick then?


yes, if it gets Outhouse off the team
Frank Coyle ranked Thompson number 90 out of his top 100  
Rick in Dallas : 4/29/2016 10:39 pm : link
Giants continue to improve their secondary with this pick.
Davis and Mykelle were 6-7 Rd picks  
william08 : 4/29/2016 10:41 pm : link
Wtf you can't possibly follow the draft other then mocks.
Shepard was an A pick
Darian Thompson is much better then Mykelle , Jesus watch some film before talking like you know
Current wish list  
est1986 : 4/29/2016 10:41 pm : link
KYLE FACKRELL
Kolby Listenbee
Andrew Billings
Kendall Fuller
Justin Simmons
Braxton Miller
Anything after the second round,  
Doomster : 4/29/2016 10:43 pm : link
has been a crapshoot for Reese......so all this hope of getting help after Shepard, is a house of cards....

As for Thompson, though, while speed seems to be a question, in the highlights he has football speed.....maybe Reese gets lucky....
Reminds me of the Moore pick  
ghost718 : 4/29/2016 10:44 pm : link
Guy starts out ranked as one of the best,goes to the combine and than everybody says Oh Shit,and the Giants scoop him up looking for George Iloka,or another Phillips.Than once again prove how smart they are.

RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow  
Amtoft : 4/29/2016 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12935375 Anakim said:
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And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?


Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
I think we're really going to like darien  
SMitch2 : 4/29/2016 10:45 pm : link
Just watched his games against Colorado state and Virginia. I don't care what his track 40 was-- the guy was covering ground and all over the field. He was in on big tackles, always around the ball both run and pass. He was a definite playmaker causing fumbles, big stops even when he started away from play side and had picks and near picks. He has that flash that makes him stand out. Reese may have found a very good one for us.
RE: RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:46 pm : link
In comment 12935405 Amtoft said:
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And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?



Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.


Cool with me. I can wait.
Honestly,  
AcidTest : 4/29/2016 10:49 pm : link
I would have gone with Billings, but hes 61, and probably doesnt meet their size requirements. Guy is a beast. Load up on the DL to bring pressure.
Reese isn't trading for Davis  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 10:49 pm : link
I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
Why did we waste a fifth round pick  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2016 10:49 pm : link
Last year on a Safety who admitted he didn't expect to be drafted
Everyone  
Fish : 4/29/2016 10:50 pm : link
Needs to chill the fuck out. I don't watch tape and stuff like some do here. As a fan I see draft picks that are not working out.....yet. Now we are picking better versions of them it appears.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2016 10:52 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12935421 The_Boss said:
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.


How do you know this?
RE: RE: Berhe  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12935369 Kevin in CT said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.



For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.


M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.

The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.

Competition is good.
RE: ...  
Anakim : 4/29/2016 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12935426 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him


Thompson > Floyd :)
RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
phillygiant : 4/29/2016 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12935421 The_Boss said:
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.


How do you know?
RE: I guess Behre is another wasted pick.  
KeoweeFan : 4/29/2016 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12935266 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Nice.

You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
Surprised  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 4/29/2016 10:55 pm : link
So many scouting reports have him as a physical player. I don't think that's the case. But he is a center fielder who makes plays.

The Giants have tried to get away with late round picks and it hasn't worked (injuries played into that quite a bit but it hasn't worked nonetheless
). Premium pick on a safety was needed and they clearly think he works well with a safety who is without a doubt a physical tackler in Collins.
Draftek  
Gregorio : 4/29/2016 10:56 pm : link
had Darian Thompson at 55 overall. If that was accurate, at 71 it's a good deal.
RE: RE: Berhe  
KeoweeFan : 4/29/2016 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12935354 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.



Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.

In my day that was called competitiom
RE: RE: I guess Behre is another wasted pick.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12935436 KeoweeFan said:
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Nice.


You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.


Well, it doesn't say much for him, that's for sure. He's not a lost cause yet, but he certainly hasn't distinguished himself in any discernible way, either.

As for your last sentence, yes. I mean, I would hope *at least* one out of these five could at least be decent, haha.
I'm guessing the scouts had him  
SMitch2 : 4/29/2016 11:01 pm : link
As physical, because from what I saw he was flying in, popping guys and forcing fumbles. He passes the eye test.
RE: RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12935428 Anakim said:
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.



How do you know this?


Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
RE: It's about who is available  
KeoweeFan : 4/29/2016 11:02 pm : link
In comment 12935381 william08 said:
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Sterling Shepard was a great pick Imo.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol

+1
RE: RE: RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
phillygiant : 4/29/2016 11:03 pm : link
In comment 12935454 The_Boss said:
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.



How do you know this?



Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....


So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
I like our picks so far  
JohnVB : 4/29/2016 11:05 pm : link
Not how I would've anticipated the draft unfolding but they've taken guys with good resumes at positions that can impact sooner rather than later. My preference was OL/DL but the talent really wasn't there at 10 and 70.

Apple/Thompson -- with the investment in the secondary should be elite
Shepard -- top tier talent at WR if Cruz comes back
To me  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 4/29/2016 11:07 pm : link
It's hard to describe a DB as a physical player and then say he's a bad tackler.

No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
I see this new version  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 11:08 pm : link
of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.
RE: Jerry's track record in the third round has not been good  
Carson53 : 4/29/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12935336 Vanzetti said:
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so I don't blame posters who are skeptical.

But this kid looks solid. Lack of speed is compensated for by his ballhawking skills.

It is not the type of pick that gets you excited but it could be a good value pick if this kid comes in and starts for 3-4 years.
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In Rd. 3, it has been abysmal as a matter of fact,
anybody can look it up if they so desire.
Rounds 4-7 haven't been a bowl of cherries either.
RE: RE: RE: Berhe  
Fish : 4/29/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12935429 Klaatu said:
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.

I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.



For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.



M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.

The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.

Competition is good.


Thank you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 11:10 pm : link
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.



How do you know this?



Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....



So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass


Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....

Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
RE: ...  
blueblood : 4/29/2016 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12935426 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him


stop trying to make sense Eric.. !!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese isn't trading for Davis  
phillygiant : 4/29/2016 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12935494 The_Boss said:
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.



How do you know this?



Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....



So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass



Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....

Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....


Like I said....you have no idea what is going to happen nor does anybody else
RE: I see this new version  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2016 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12935488 ryanmkeane said:
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of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.


They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
RE: Somebody needs to be the orchestrator and leader among  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/29/2016 11:17 pm : link
In comment 12935224 Giants2012 said:
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An entire new secondary besides DRC.

Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New

Good point. Let's stick with the existing secondary because it did so well.
Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure  
Shirk130 : 4/29/2016 11:18 pm : link
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12935515 Shirk130 said:
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."


That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
Dumb  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 11:23 pm : link
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
RE: RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 11:24 pm : link
In comment 12935522 The_Boss said:
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."



That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.


And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
"Aside  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 11:24 pm : link
from Collins the Giants have a ton of safeties and they all either aren't good or are injured. I don't like them taking a safety here."
RE: Dumb  
The_Boss : 4/29/2016 11:26 pm : link
In comment 12935524 ryanmkeane said:
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point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?


Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
RE: To me  
SMitch2 : 4/29/2016 11:29 pm : link
In comment 12935484 I wanna be Torbor, sucka said:
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It's hard to describe a DB as a physical player and then say he's a bad tackler.

No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.


Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
Graziano  
SMitch2 : 4/29/2016 11:33 pm : link
Is either stirring the pot for clicks or not watched a minute of film on DThompson. I'm guessing both.
Jerry's next successful third round pick will be his first successful  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/29/2016 11:33 pm : link
third round pick.

Well, can't count Owa out yet although missing twelve games of your rookie season with injuries is not a good start.

Bromley actually saw quite a bit of playing time in 2015. Maybe some day he'll get his first NFL sack.
RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure  
Klaatu : 4/29/2016 11:35 pm : link
In comment 12935515 Shirk130 said:
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."


So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.

Graziano's a tool.
RE: RE: Dumb  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 11:58 pm : link
In comment 12935529 The_Boss said:
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point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?



Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....

You realize you are making my point for me...right?
Oh.  
ryanmkeane : 4/29/2016 11:59 pm : link
I was talking about Darian Thompson, not Mykelle.
RE: I really didn't expect a safety taken this high  
NYDCBlue : 4/30/2016 1:31 am : link
In comment 12935189 SirYesSir said:
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.


Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.

And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Reading Ross comments it looks like they envision him for that  
Mason : 4/30/2016 1:42 am : link
hybrid safety but he says he is a FS. He also described M. Thompson as the free range safety. So D. Thompson will be the zone safety, Collins the box safety and M. Thompson the deep cover safety?

Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
SomeFan : 4/30/2016 3:13 am : link
on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.
RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
Mason : 4/30/2016 3:47 am : link
In comment 12935641 SomeFan said:
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.


He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
SomeFan : 4/30/2016 3:50 am : link
In comment 12935641 SomeFan said:
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.


maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?
RE: RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
Ira : 4/30/2016 5:43 am : link
In comment 12935647 SomeFan said:
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.



maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?


4.33 and 7.26
RE: RE: I really didn't expect a safety taken this high  
PatersonPlank : 4/30/2016 5:52 am : link
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as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.



Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.

And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....


Mykelle Thompson is a terrible pick and really not an NFL player. He was very average for Texas and not even the best DB they had. In fact he wasn't even expected to be drafted. Cooper Taylor was one of Reese's "athletic freak" reaches which hasn't panned out at all in 3 seasons. That leaves Jackson and Berhe, neither of which were high draft picks. I like this new pick and hope he can step in with Collins. Let Berhe and Jackson battle it our for the backup position.
Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins  
Victor in CT : 4/30/2016 6:56 am : link
Why all the fretting about Taylor, Berhe and Thompson? Odds are neither of them make it out of camp healthy.
The teams track record here is not good  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 7:09 am : link
Let's hope this isn't another reach to fill a positional need when there were more talented players available who gets a few years to develop into something but comes ang goes. I'm rooting hard for the player but I'm giving the FO no benefit of the doubt here.

They don't deserve it.
This pick helps two positions...  
GuzzaBlue : 4/30/2016 7:18 am : link
Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.
RE: RE: RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
SomeFan : 4/30/2016 7:48 am : link
In comment 12935658 Ira said:
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.



maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?



4.33 and 7.26



Thanks Ira. Those, I believe, are from the combine and not great. I was wondering about the pro day times.
He forced 11 turnovers in 2015 alone  
Big Rick in FL : 4/30/2016 7:50 am : link
5 interceptions, 4 forced fumbles & 2 fumble recoveries. That's pretty fucking good.
Good positive read  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 7:53 am : link
New York Giants: FS Darian Thompson A steal at this point, Thompson could be the Day 1 starter across from Landon Collins and perhaps clean up some of his coverage mistakes. There is no rangier safety in the draft, and he would have gone higher had Thompson not tested so poorly at the scouting combine after food poisoning caused him to lose 8 pounds. His pro day workout was much better. The Giants like what they see. Grade: A-
RE: Intrigued. I think he can be a perfect compliment to Collins  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 8:12 am : link
In comment 12935674 Victor in CT said:
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Why all the fretting about Taylor, Berhe and Thompson? Odds are neither of them make it out of camp healthy.


I 100% agree with you. I'm not counting on those 3 at all. Injury baggage.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 4/30/2016 8:16 am : link
I wonder if Bennett Jackson will be asked to switch back to CB. Seems to be his best opportunity to stick on the roster
You can never have enough good players  
aimrocky : 4/30/2016 8:18 am : link
In your secondary. Do you want to see the Craig Dahl's and Brandon Merriweather's of the league back there in'16? I wouldn't mind picking up another CB today.

As far as the OL goes, as Sy pointed out, it wasn't a strength in the 3rd, so why reach. At this point we're tied to Jerry, Newhouse, Hart and a late round pick on the right side. This team had too many holes to fill in one off-season, so we're better off aiming for value and not reaching.
RE: This pick helps two positions...  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 8:18 am : link
In comment 12935703 GuzzaBlue said:
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Now Collins can play the true box safety role. Won't have to worry about behind him. All eyes on the ball carrier and in attack mode. This is a great thing for Collins if our new Thompson works out.


Absolutely! When I factored this in, the pick now looked like the best one possible for us in the third round.
I would have preferred Justin Simmons because  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 8:25 am : link
he's a name I recognize..
good pick  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 8:27 am : link
I have been ranting for years about instincts, and how INTs in college are one of the few windows into those intangibles as well as 'ints in college often = ints in the nfl'.

19 of them, pointed this out on the Sy safety thread.

In addition, you possibly want to pair that one FS with lots of simple corner man cover, and, now that we have three corners like that, this makes even more sense, then, as above, also helps Collins to do his thing up closer.

This team is finally starting to integrate its moves into cohesive sets; the DL in free agency (would have done even more via draft, but , nonetheless, the Apple makes the Darius T more rational, the DL free agents makes the Apple more rational, the Darius makes the Collins more rational, etc).

19 INTs, great pick for the 3rd round.

Grade the draft an 'A' so far. Also like the WR.
Didn't know Simmons or Thompson before yesterday, but  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/30/2016 9:28 am : link
Thompson seems the harder hitter and better playmaker on the few clips I saw.

Glad Reese addressed this position, better than hoping that one of the walking wounded will outplay their draft position.
This was a great pick  
jeffro1 : 4/30/2016 9:47 am : link
Don't just read his combine workout and say he sux. Do a little research. Had an incredibly productive career, team captain, 48 starts, 19 picks. He had a fantastic senior bowl week and was viewed immediately thereafter as a late first early second round pick. He goes to the combine and gets good poisoning, loses 8 lbs and has a sub par workout. All of a sudden he doesn't have "NFL athleticism." He goes and has a representative pro day where he cleans up his times, but it seems no one could forget the combine.

I am confident we got a starter here to pair with Collins and someone who could have gone early second if he just called out sick at the combine.
Giants: Weakest Secondary in the NFL Last Year  
Percy : 4/30/2016 9:49 am : link
Serious efforts have been made to address this in FA and in this draft. Thompson is part of that effort. Did you have someone else in mind in the third round who would have been better? Simmons is mentioned, but he wasn't taken until Denver with the last pick in the round and was ranked considerably lower than Thompson.
I can't remember the last time they had a ball hawk FS  
David B. : 4/30/2016 9:50 am : link
Or a difference-maker at S. He'll have to develop some more discipline, but he clearly has a nose for INTs, and that will be a change from the normal stone-hands crew. Besides, it's not like they had anything proven back there at FS anyway. They needed to get another one.
I know it's just a highlight video  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 9:55 am : link
but I was very impressed with his ball skills. In a few of those int's he looks like the intended receiver. He also seems to be very good at forcing fumbles by using his helmet to knock the ball loose. I am really starting to like this pick.
RE: RE: I see this new version  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 12935505 Dave in Hoboken said:
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of the Reese regime taking dudes that are smart and love football. All 3 picks this year pass that test.



They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.


Both posts are true

Let's hope the picks beyond Round 2 from this year and last contribute something b/c the lack of contribution beyond Round 2 has killed this team for years.
The last 3rd or 4th rounder that really contributed under Reese  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/30/2016 10:12 am : link
was Super Mario. That's from 2008.
Rough athlete but a football player  
SamdaGiantsFan : 4/30/2016 10:13 am : link
sign me up
Here's an interesting comp James Butler (hopefully a rich man's)  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2016 10:20 am : link
you may remember James Butler started in the deep safety role next to Gibril is Spags' first year, then Spags brought him over to St. Louis 2 seasons later. All told he started for most of 3 seasons with Spags and played for 7. I went back and looked at his combine/pro day and it's a pretty damn close comparison despite Thompson being sick. Though as I said, hopefully Thompson plays faster and Butler is more his floor. In tape he looks much more athletic than Butler ever did and he had twice as much INT production in college, so hopefully that translates. I can understand those preferring Simmons due to him being a higher level athlete, but production is why many (myself included) preferred Hargreaves > Apple so I have no issue with taking Thompson who had about 3x more INTs.

Thompson (combine) -------- Butler (combine)
6'2 208 ------------------------ 6'2 / 213
4.69 --------------------------- 4.65 (40)
1.66 --------------------------- 1.69 (10 yard split)
32.5 ---------------------------- 40.5 (vert)
7.26 ----------------------------- 7.10 (3 cone)
118 ------------------------------ 127 (broad)
4.33 ----------------------------- 3.98 (shuttle)
When has it ever worked out  
ryanmkeane : 4/30/2016 10:25 am : link
when we take combine heroes in the late rounds? Thompson is a football player - and the best playmaking safety in the draft.
Don't know whether there were better safeties available or not  
GeofromNJ : 4/30/2016 10:27 am : link
but you only have to look at the 4th quarter meltdowns the Giants had last year to see how totally pathetic their secondary was. It's for this reason, I think, that they drafted Apple (after their other choices were gone), and why they took Thompson. Their secondary need is greater than their need for a RT, or for a LT to replace Flowers and moving Flowers to RT.
Butler  
Jon in NYC : 4/30/2016 10:32 am : link
tests better across the board...
But  
Jon in NYC : 4/30/2016 10:41 am : link
don't get me wrong, I love the pick. Exactly what we need in a FS. Again, the mistakes he makes are coachable. But he's smart, has size, speed, great hands, physical. Those are things you can't teach.
RE: Butler  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2016 11:02 am : link
In comment 12936030 Jon in NYC said:
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tests better across the board...


Not by much and it's been pretty widely reported Thompson was sick and did much better at his pro day (couldn't find anything other than a 4.5 40). Butler also did better at his pro day according to NFL draft scout, but he did so much better (posted a Beckhamesque 6.7 3 cone that was almost a full half second faster than the combine) it must have been fast track because we all know he was anything but an elite athlete. Regardless, I'm hoping Thompson's floor is a smart, albeit athletically limited, deep safety like Butler who can keep things in front of him and take the ball away when he's in position (Butler had a respectable 11 INTs in 44 career starts). Hopefully he's better but even if not that type of player can fill a role here day 1.

Rich man's James Butler/poor man's Kenny Phillips?
RE: RE: Thompson seems to lack athletic ability based  
dg901 : 4/30/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 12935646 Mason said:
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on his combine testing. He isn't bringing the speed.



He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
Pro day wasn't impressive either. Decent year stat-wise last year. He had 5 INT's, 8.5 TFL, 2 FF and 1 sack. Intriguing production.
RE: NFL.com page  
ReneNYG1 : 4/30/2016 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12935161 David B. said:
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here says he ran a "4.0" 40.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darian-thompson?id=2555154

Guessing that's a misprint.


I saw the ame thing I don't think it's a miss print I want to find the details because in tape this guys looks fast,on one int that he dove for I swear that was the quickest move I seen it was in the endzone awesome play.
Good pick  
Mike53 : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
A big kid with hands. Maybe the cover guy in nickel and dime packages for TEs
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