Guy starts out ranked as one of the best,goes to the combine and than everybody says Oh Shit,and the Giants scoop him up looking for George Iloka,or another Phillips.Than once again prove how smart they are.
RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow
And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Just watched his games against Colorado state and Virginia. I don't care what his track 40 was-- the guy was covering ground and all over the field. He was in on big tackles, always around the ball both run and pass. He was a definite playmaker causing fumbles, big stops even when he started away from play side and had picks and near picks. He has that flash that makes him stand out. Reese may have found a very good one for us.
RE: RE: If we trade a fifth or a sixth rounder for Anthony Davis tomorrow
And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Needs to chill the fuck out. I don't watch tape and stuff like some do here. As a fan I see draft picks that are not working out.....yet. Now we are picking better versions of them it appears.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
So many scouting reports have him as a physical player. I don't think that's the case. But he is a center fielder who makes plays.
The Giants have tried to get away with late round picks and it hasn't worked (injuries played into that quite a bit but it hasn't worked nonetheless
). Premium pick on a safety was needed and they clearly think he works well with a safety who is without a doubt a physical tackler in Collins.
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
Well, it doesn't say much for him, that's for sure. He's not a lost cause yet, but he certainly hasn't distinguished himself in any discernible way, either.
As for your last sentence, yes. I mean, I would hope *at least* one out of these five could at least be decent, haha.
Sterling Shepard was a great pick Imo.
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
Not how I would've anticipated the draft unfolding but they've taken guys with good resumes at positions that can impact sooner rather than later. My preference was OL/DL but the talent really wasn't there at 10 and 70.
Apple/Thompson -- with the investment in the secondary should be elite
Shepard -- top tier talent at WR if Cruz comes back
Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Like I said....you have no idea what is going to happen nor does anybody else
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
RE: RE: Graziano on the pick...which highlights JR's failure
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
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It's hard to describe a DB as a physical player and then say he's a bad tackler.
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
as they still have Jackson, Thompson and Behre on the roster and are guys that they really haven't seen play badly. Unless you call them injury prone, and I really wouldn't considering the type of injuries, they already have new guys on the roster for that spot. odd.
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Reading Ross comments it looks like they envision him for that
hybrid safety but he says he is a FS. He also described M. Thompson as the free range safety. So D. Thompson will be the zone safety, Collins the box safety and M. Thompson the deep cover safety?
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
As for Thompson, though, while speed seems to be a question, in the highlights he has football speed.....maybe Reese gets lucky....
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
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And sign a guy like Louis Vasquez, will you guys stop bitching about the O-Line?
Cant trade for Davis tomorrow. He has to file unretirement papers first and that won't happen that fast. At best maybe we can trade a conditional next year pick.
Cool with me. I can wait.
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
How do you know this?
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
Competition is good.
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
Thompson > Floyd :)
How do you know?
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
The Giants have tried to get away with late round picks and it hasn't worked (injuries played into that quite a bit but it hasn't worked nonetheless
). Premium pick on a safety was needed and they clearly think he works well with a safety who is without a doubt a physical tackler in Collins.
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
Lots of wasted picks in recent years. You summed it up pretty well.
In my day that was called competitiom
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Nice.
You knew that after how many starts for Nat?
NYG have 4 possible safeties (I have not given up on Taylor) to play behind Collins. But none who have ever started.
How is adding another high potential player to the mix of untested incumbents an indictment of Behre?
Don't know about you, but this increases my optimism that one out of five will succeed.
Well, it doesn't say much for him, that's for sure. He's not a lost cause yet, but he certainly hasn't distinguished himself in any discernible way, either.
As for your last sentence, yes. I mean, I would hope *at least* one out of these five could at least be decent, haha.
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
Him and Odell will be so explosive it will allow Cruz and Tye and Verden kill it underneath.
When Geramy Davis warrants a starting role he will get one. He was a 6th rd'error. Chill lolol
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Apple/Thompson -- with the investment in the secondary should be elite
Shepard -- top tier talent at WR if Cruz comes back
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
But this kid looks solid. Lack of speed is compensated for by his ballhawking skills.
It is not the type of pick that gets you excited but it could be a good value pick if this kid comes in and starts for 3-4 years.
In Rd. 3, it has been abysmal as a matter of fact,
anybody can look it up if they so desire.
Rounds 4-7 haven't been a bowl of cherries either.
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Mykelle T, geremy Davis all draft picks to name a few. Recent draft picks. And yet we take Shepard and this guy who might be better but almost seems like ok we missed on those guys, let's try with these now. Rinse repeat.
I like what I see as for potential but the guys mentioned above had potential. I mean where does geremy Davis fit in here? I don't see room, so that's a wasted pick last season. Interesting what Reese and company do.
For fucks sake. We used 6th and 7th round picks on these guys.
M.Thompson can play FS and CB. They lined him up in the slot a few times during mini-camp. If the Giants carry four Safeties, Collins and D.Thompson are locks, and M.Thompson, Berhe, Jackson, Taylor, and Currie can battle it out for the other two spots.
The Giants could carry six receivers. Beckham, Shepard, Harris, and a healthy Cruz are locks. Davis, White, Edwards, King, and Dable' can battle it out for the other two spots.
Competition is good.
Thank you.
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Heard #Bears were about to take Darian Thompson with the next pick (No. 72) if #Giants didn't take him
stop trying to make sense Eric.. !!!
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I don't know why so many here think that's even a possibility.
How do you know this?
Come on. Trading late picks for an injury prone washed up MLB and a Punter is one thing. Reese isn't trading mid round picks for an established RT....
So basically as par for the course, you are talking out of your ass
Par for the course? Excuse me? I likely know more about this team than you know about, well, pretty much anything....
Now back to what I know best: NYG football....Davis would solve a lot of problems on the OL, no doubt. But assuming: 1- the NYG will even reach out to SF about Davis' availability AND 2- win his services ahead of other suitors, following a mediocre, at best, draft for OL is quite a stretch....
Like I said....you have no idea what is going to happen nor does anybody else
They've been taking the team captain types for alittle while now.
Collins is still new
Thompson rookie
Apple rookie
Jenkins New
Good point. Let's stick with the existing secondary because it did so well.
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
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"The selection of Boise State safety Darian Thompson in the third round could finally give the Giants the answer they've been seeking at the free safety position. Or it could simply add to a cumbersome collection of recently drafted safeties that includes Cooper Taylor (2013), Nat Berhe (2014), Bennett Jackson (2014), Landon Collins (2015) and Mykkele Thompson (2015). Considering it cost them two picks to acquire Collins, the Giants have now used four of their last nine draft picks on this one position."
That's unbelievable. Sucks Kenny Phillips had that knee condition. He'd likely still be one of the better players on our defense.
And we would have not had to sink premium resources (picks and FA $$) into the position....
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
No problem with taking Thompson here. I just don't think saying he's physical is accurate. Needs to work on his tackling.
Based on what are you saying he's a bad tackler? The draft book reports? Mayock's sound bite? I saw him take a bad angle or two and get washed out of 2 or 3 plays over two games. they did result in long plays, but in those same two games he was also all over the place in run d and coverage. I didn't count but he must have been in on about 15 big time stops -- several on plays that were run away from him and he still got in and made the stop for little gain. He was not wiffing or getting trucked. AND over those two games he forced two fumbles and had two interceptions and a near pick where his own guy knocked him off.
Well, can't count Owa out yet although missing twelve games of your rookie season with injuries is not a good start.
Bromley actually saw quite a bit of playing time in 2015. Maybe some day he'll get his first NFL sack.
So what? Should they not try to improve themselves at the position? Should they not say, Gee, these late-rounders haven't really worked out. Maybe we should invest some premium picks on the position, like we have on the O-Line.
Graziano's a tool.
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point by Graziano. Collins is entrenched as a starter and Thompson is a much better prospect than anyone else we have. Why do people try to make something out of nothing?
Thompson blew out his Achilles before anyone had a clue what he was. Nobody knows what sort of prospect he was because he had no time to prove it, one way or the other, on the field....
You realize you are making my point for me...right?
Agreed. We have a log jam now. We are going to have to cut a good player. You can only carry so many safeties.
And I like our safeties, so he may end up being the one cut. Last in, first out.... jackson and Mikkalle can play. Maybe he beats out Berhe? Backup SS? We have too many FS.....
Is Spags looking to run more cover 3 safety looks? With Collins basically being the SS/LB?
He was sick during the combines which is by far the worst way to gauge a player. Check his pro day if that is important to you.
maybe it was the illness. anyone know his SS or 3 cone?