I'm officially worried about about the right side of the OL.
Are there 3 draft picks left? Sure there are.
I'm not panicking, I'm not Reese-bashing, and I'm not detracting from the players drafted already.
But the right side of the OL is an enormous concern. A more reliable running game realistically could have meant 2 or more additional wins last year.
So I ask, simply, from here out, what's the best way forward? How realistic is an Anthony Davis deal? It simply can
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In comment 12935379 BillT said:
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Is that the draft isn't about filling needs its about acquiring talent. This has been explained here a hundred or so times but some refuse to believe it. You seem to be one of them.
Read the OP. This isn't about bashing the draft strategy -- it's about acknowledging that FA is substantially over, the draft is half over, what's the best way from here to patch a huge hole?
You can't have it both ways. You can't say "what am I missing" and not it be a criticism of the draft and the organization in this perspective. Yes, we need more talent at RT. We all get that.
It isn't just RT. It's the right side of the line as a whole. You're substantially saying that yes, "Can't fix em all" is correct and "no, you're not missing anything". thats a legitimate answer to the question. I wondered if there was an angle toward solving the problem
that I'm not seeing,
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sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR.
The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes.
Agreed. But part of the reason we have so many holes is that Reese has to keep redrafting the same positions.
And the main reason he has had to do that is because guys like Nicks and TT and Phillips are all retired due to injury.
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sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR.
The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes.
WAS a mess....we came a long way the past two days. Talent and youth. Plus I think the Davis deal is coming soon.
Is this a hunch? A hope?
It's better than anything I've got, I just wonder how likely It really is.
Looks like the Giants are going to roll the dice with Jerry at RG and Newhouse at RT, with the hope that maybe, possibly, Bobby Hart can supplant Newhouse.
Those of you who advocated waiting until Day Three to look for O-Line help, well, it looks like you're about to get your wish.
But did you see our defense last year? Over 6,000 yards allowed again. We lost a game where Eli threw six touchdown passes.
At WR, we only had one sure thing: Beckham.
This team has a ton of needs.
Figure it out.
The offensive line should have been resolved in the offseason through free agency. Not only are newhouse and marshall marginal starters who the hell are their backups? Anthony Davis is the only answer.
Looks like the Giants are going to roll the dice with Jerry at RG and Newhouse at RT, with the hope that maybe, possibly, Bobby Hart can supplant Newhouse.
Those of you who advocated waiting until Day Three to look for O-Line help, well, it looks like you're about to get your wish.
Did I mis-label this thread? There are plenty of places for you to discuss the draft. Those who want to discuss potential solutions on the OL can do so here. Some may even want to follow both discussions.
You seem intent on arguing. It isn't clear why, to me. And that's fine.
Enjoy the rest of your night and the rest of the draft.
Marshall Newhouse, on the other hand, was not signed to start. He was supposed to be a backup/swing tackle. He was thrust into a starting role when Beatty got hurt. He did have a couple of good years with the Packers - he started every game at LT when they went 15-1 and won the Super Bowl - but he crashed and burned shortly after that and they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Green Bay. He was a huge disappointment in his one year with the Bengals.
As of now, he's our starting RT, and God help us.
all the hype for Davis is coming from .
Once they start pairing down the rosters
or someone gets beat out maybe we pick
up a couple of Vets one to start and one
to back up .
Paraphrasing Ric Flair, Whether you like 'em or not, learn to love 'em.
Brewer.
Petrus.
Mosley.
McCants.
Herman.
Hart is the only one who has a chance to succeed. If even one of the others had become a decent RT, we’d be in a much better position.
Reese did sign the Canadian Mel Hein. How many teams can say that?
Brewer.
Petrus.
Mosley.
McCants.
Herman.
Hart is the only one who has a chance to succeed. If even one of the others had become a decent RT, we’d be in a much better position.
For years, the Giants couldn't draft a WR for love or money. And then BAM...Smith, Manningham, and Nicks, all in a row.
So maybe, just maybe, they get lucky with Hart, or they get lucky with someone else on Saturday.
Keep hope alive. Right now, that's all we have. Hope.
So, replace Randle and then devote the bulk of your FA money and draft picks to the defense--which was historically bad last year.
Jerry and Newhouse are OK as stop gaps for one more year, especially with Hart in the wings.
I love this draft so far - but I didn't see the OL as much of a problem as some. I was at the Buffalo game last season when our so called mediocre OL kicked the shit out of Buffalo's DL for 4 quarters.
I'd much rather invest in defense where he had players that don't belong in the NFL starting for us - than worry about taking a OL in the 3rd round who wouldn't start over Newhouse anyway (at least not yet).
As bad as the defense was - and it was historically bad - there's still plenty of room for improvement on offense.
It makes sense theoretically..he's from Piscataway and went to Rutgers, so he's local, he wants out, and we need a RT... but the Giants are not the type of team to make a trade like this.
FWIW, I do agree with the premie of this thread. I am not unhappy with Apple (anymore), but I do think that O-Line was a bigger need than CB.
Solidifying the O-line goes beyond just helping Eli. It will help our terrible running game/running backs, which will also help us control the clock.
The approach is just bizarre though. After stocking up on the O-line in the last three drafts with Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers, there doesn't seem to be as much urgency to finish the job and get some players for the right said.
Newhouse and Jerry is a disaster waiting to happen.. and not only because they are, at best, marginal starters, but because you have to assume someone will get hurt, which means we'll have a backup's backup playing.
Eli is much more effective with a strong line (strong tackles at least), and we don't have a gamebreaking RB who can make it all happen themselves (those guys are rare as hell anyway). Rashad Jennings and Vereen can get it done, but they need a decent line.
I'd trade a 4th for Davis. Hell, I'd trade a 3rd if we could someone be assured he'd sign long term here. He is only 26 after all.
I'd much rather invest in defense where he had players that don't belong in the NFL starting for us - than worry about taking a OL in the 3rd round who wouldn't start over Newhouse anyway (at least not yet).
Reese began the off-season by cutting Beatty and Schwartz so it was clear there would be vacancies on the OL. He also entered FA with money to spare. We still have close to $20 million in cap space. Reese could have easily targeted Mitchell Schwartz from the outset and we are not having this discussion. He consciously chose not to. Money was the issue. We still have lots of cap space. We also know from Hitdog that RT was never on the radar scope. So that leaves the draft and Jerry decides that he's willing to gamble on Newhouse. He doesn't exactly have a sound track record when he is in gambling mode. This is not about you can't have studs at every position. This is about Reese rolling the dice and it may very well blow up in his face.
but i can see another losing record if they intend to play behind jerry and newhouse on that right side of the OL again i just pray that hart can surplant one of them and that they can snag a diehl type OL in the next 3 picks to relegate the other one to backup or they will be picking around the same spot a year from now
We've definitely improved a really bad defense via free agency and the Draft, but there hasn't been any help so far for an improved run game (unless you want to believe that Sterling Sheppard will help the team move the chains and keep possession of the ball.)
Here's to fixing the right side of our offensive line in the 2017 NFL Draft!
I also believe that if we had a legitimate, average RT, then Jerry would be fine. He is ok, and gets more exposed because of the crap next to him. Here's hoping that Hart can be that guy.
Our defense was atrocious. Where would the offense have been rated if they could have gotten on the field for 2 or 3 more series a game because the defense actually stopped someone by means other than letting them score?
We needed to rebuild the defense badly and it appears that we have gone a long way to doing that.
Now does the right side of the line need upgrading? you betcha. That's and understatement.
My take is that we have upgrade the offense by upgrading the defense and adding what appears to be quality WR.
It's impossible to do everything in one year with all the holes this team had and the the training camp rooster isn't even set yet.
Just my .02 cents.
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The addition of Sheppard, if he can make an impact right away, and if Victor Cruz is even close to what he once was, will only enhance an already top tier passing attack. And it should open up the running game even more regardless of who they have on the right side.
Can t reach hot need although not certain Tunsil was a reach.
It's kinda sad when the team spends two #1s and a #2 over the past three years and still has two,holes (unless Hart develops overnight) and no depth on the OL.
I also believe that if we had a legitimate, average RT, then Jerry would be fine. He is ok, and gets more exposed because of the crap next to him. Here's hoping that Hart can be that guy.
Dead on... well said!
This!
It's like after one good day in free agency the front office went on vacation.
Lord knows we don't need all that cap space to lock up a ton of our own talent long term.
Giants never intended on upgrading RG, John Jerry is the full time starter.
With the LG-C-RG being set with Pugh-Richburg-Jerry, Eli will have a wall up the middle to step up in the pocket against edge pressure.
Marshall Newhouse, on the other hand, was not signed to start. He was supposed to be a backup/swing tackle. He was thrust into a starting role when Beatty got hurt. He did have a couple of good years with the Packers - he started every game at LT when they went 15-1 and won the Super Bowl - but he crashed and burned shortly after that and they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Green Bay. He was a huge disappointment in his one year with the Bengals.
As of now, he's our starting RT, and God help us.
Bongo.
The notion that "Jerry is a backup" is a complete myth.
He's a starter and will start.
Yeah, lining him up as 2nd team RT says that...
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At the risk of sounding like elimacaroon90210, the guy has started 61 out of 73 games in his career. He was signed by us in the event that Chris Snee was done, which turned out to be the case. The odds are that he'll be our starting RG in 2016.
Marshall Newhouse, on the other hand, was not signed to start. He was supposed to be a backup/swing tackle. He was thrust into a starting role when Beatty got hurt. He did have a couple of good years with the Packers - he started every game at LT when they went 15-1 and won the Super Bowl - but he crashed and burned shortly after that and they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Green Bay. He was a huge disappointment in his one year with the Bengals.
As of now, he's our starting RT, and God help us.
Bongo.
The notion that "Jerry is a backup" is a complete myth.
He's a starter and will start.
Not so fast, Red Ryder.
On the Giants, Jerry is a starter, but that's primarily by default. He's a decent pass-blocker, but a below-average run-blocker. Therefore, he's eminently upgradeable (sic).
2016, sure, plug him in. 2017? We'll see.
As for the love affair you see between McAdoo and Jerry, no coach is going to badmouth his own player, especially not when there's no acceptable alternative to that player in the immediate future.