What am I missing with the OL?

every year. oline is going to suck again...just wait.

for ANY amount of money should have been a fireable offense

the OL could use more help.

But did you see our defense last year? Over 6,000 yards allowed again. We lost a game where Eli threw six touchdown passes.

At WR, we only had one sure thing: Beckham.

This team has a ton of needs.

Figure it out.

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we got rid of the two pussies and hopefully that has a lasting effect on the overall attitude and toughness. We are filling other needs too likely with players we rate higher. We aren't going to fill the roster out with just the draft, players are going to have to step up.

this point I would definitely trade a fifth for Davis. Absent that, Iv’e been touting Caleb Benenoch from UCLA. Length and good feet. But he is not ready to start. He’d need a year behind Newhouse.

In comment 12935318 Eric from BBI said:

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the OL could use more help. But did you see our defense last year? Over 6,000 yards allowed again. We lost a game where Eli threw six touchdown passes. At WR, we only had one sure thing: Beckham. This team has a ton of needs. Figure it out.

agree...plus davis trade gonna happen lol

What position outside of QB can we ignore?

the draft isn't falling that way, i'm guessing we start in round 4. The value isn't matching up with the need.

In comment 12935318 Eric from BBI said:

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the OL could use more help. But did you see our defense last year? Over 6,000 yards allowed again. We lost a game where Eli threw six touchdown passes. At WR, we only had one sure thing: Beckham. This team has a ton of needs. Giants just need ONE Olineman. ONe. and then its off to the Races Figure it out.

The Eagles beat the crap out of Eli again next year because our OL can't stop their pass rush.

cause we cant fucking run the ball

Lineman somewhere. I for one am all in on revamping the defense though.

In comment 12935316 Paulie Walnuts said:

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for ANY amount of money should have been a fireable offense

What the hell , he was signed as a swing tackle backup type who has been forced to start and has been average. Expecting anything other then that is foolish.

Come on now you've been on this board a long time and should know better.

Absolutely appreciate the point.

So is it just a matter of "Hey, can't fix em all."? That's tough medicine when there's plenty of cap space and there were FA options at these positions (S, OT) that went affordably elsewhere.

I hope the go OL in both 4 and 5, and can fudge 2 starters between Hart and those picks.

Ain't looking so bad now.

But seriously I doubt anyone drafted from this point on will come in a start
as a rookie, at least on purpose.

I agree that they can't ignore the Oline and expect Eli to produce.

Shepherd or Thompson. We undoubtedly needed another WR more than anything. Nevertheless Jerry could easily have addressed the RT issue in FA. We still have 20 million in space and could have grabbed several options if we were more aggressive in the early days of FA. Jerry chose not to. So Jerry is now in gambling mode and history shows his track record is not good when he gambles.

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In comment 12935316 Paulie Walnuts said: Quote: for ANY amount of money should have been a fireable offense What the hell , he was signed as a swing tackle backup type who has been forced to start and has been average. Expecting anything other then that is foolish. Come on now you've been on this board a long time and should know better.

he is not good enough to be on ANY NFL roster, he's a fucking joke

Is that the draft isn't about filling needs its about acquiring talent. This has been explained here a hundred or so times but some refuse to believe it. You seem to be one of them.

...nothing. The right side of our line is a major concern for next season.

both blow

They won't be any better than what we have, just less experienced. We have to hope Hart or Newhouse gets better.

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...nothing. The right side of our line is a major concern for next season.

What is really scary then is who are the backups to Newhouse and Jerry.

In comment 12935379 BillT said:

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Is that the draft isn't about filling needs its about acquiring talent. This has been explained here a hundred or so times but some refuse to believe it. You seem to be one of them.

Read the OP. This isn't about bashing the draft strategy -- it's about acknowledging that FA is substantially over, the draft is half over, what's the best way from here to patch a huge hole?

about how many mid round OL picks Reese has drafted that did nothing:

Brewer.
Petrus.
Mosley.
McCants.
Herman.

Hart is the only one who has a chance to succeed. If even one of the others had become a decent RT, we’d be in a much better position.

sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR.

The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes.

In comment 12935395 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 12935379 BillT said: Quote: Is that the draft isn't about filling needs its about acquiring talent. This has been explained here a hundred or so times but some refuse to believe it. You seem to be one of them. Read the OP. This isn't about bashing the draft strategy -- it's about acknowledging that FA is substantially over, the draft is half over, what's the best way from here to patch a huge hole?

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "what am I missing" and not it be a criticism of the draft and the organization in this perspective. Yes, we need more talent at RT. We all get that.

he's terrible. Jerry is below average too but he's better than Newhouse. If this is the OL for 2016 the Giants are not a playoff team again.

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sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR. The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes.

Agreed. But part of the reason we have so many holes is that Reese has to keep redrafting the same positions.

No worries, I didn't take it the wrong way.

Lot of holes, certainly. Unfortunately the draft isn't about filling them - just ask BillL. He knows.

In comment 12935378 Paulie Walnuts said:

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In comment 12935370 Rory said: Quote: In comment 12935316 Paulie Walnuts said: Quote: for ANY amount of money should have been a fireable offense What the hell , he was signed as a swing tackle backup type who has been forced to start and has been average. Expecting anything other then that is foolish. Come on now you've been on this board a long time and should know better. he is not good enough to be on ANY NFL roster, he's a fucking joke

That's just a stupid comment. New house was what he was. A backup thrust into starter duty. John Jerry the same thing.

I'm pretty confident we get Davis somewlhow, but we also had NOBODY at FS and we're incredibly thin at WR and corner. Guess what? We filled those needs! And the offense last year scored points. RT still needs to be addressed. So did all those other positions.

Just nut up, shut up and be happy we got some good players joining this team.

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No worries, I didn't take it the wrong way. Lot of holes, certainly. Unfortunately the draft isn't about filling them - just ask BillL. He knows.

My mistake, BillT.

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sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR. The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes.

WAS a mess....we came a long way the past two days. Talent and youth. Plus I think the Davis deal is coming soon.

First, they still may get Anthony Davis to play RT. Second, there is likely to be a veteran free agent cut because of salary cap issues and they have the money to sign someone. Third, they could still get somebody good in this years draft. In the past they've gotten good starters as late as the 5th or UFDAs. It pretty common in the league to get decent linemen that way.

In comment 12935406 BillT said:

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In comment 12935395 bigbluehoya said: Quote: In comment 12935379 BillT said: Quote: Is that the draft isn't about filling needs its about acquiring talent. This has been explained here a hundred or so times but some refuse to believe it. You seem to be one of them. Read the OP. This isn't about bashing the draft strategy -- it's about acknowledging that FA is substantially over, the draft is half over, what's the best way from here to patch a huge hole? You can't have it both ways. You can't say "what am I missing" and not it be a criticism of the draft and the organization in this perspective. Yes, we need more talent at RT. We all get that.

It isn't just RT. It's the right side of the line as a whole. You're substantially saying that yes, "Can't fix em all" is correct and "no, you're not missing anything". thats a legitimate answer to the question. I wondered if there was an angle toward solving the problem
that I'm not seeing,

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In comment 12935401 Eric from BBI said: Quote: sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR. The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes. Agreed. But part of the reason we have so many holes is that Reese has to keep redrafting the same positions.

And the main reason he has had to do that is because guys like Nicks and TT and Phillips are all retired due to injury.

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In comment 12935401 Eric from BBI said: Quote: sorry to sound snippy, but if we drafted OL's, people would be bitching about DB or WR. The team is a mess. We have a lot of holes. WAS a mess....we came a long way the past two days. Talent and youth. Plus I think the Davis deal is coming soon.

Is this a hunch? A hope?

It's better than anything I've got, I just wonder how likely It really is.

We scored points and lost because of the defense. They fixed 3 major problems and will win more games because of it.there is still tomorrow and a possible trade for Davis. Relax

Of reason to believe he is capable of identifying late round OL talent. His track record is pretty damn poor

I just posted yesterday that the OL is still a problem. We all get that. Today is the draft. Can we talk about what's going on with that instead of what isn't. We don't know anything more than you do.

He hasn't even applied for reinstatement, yet, and there's no guarantee that he ever will.

Looks like the Giants are going to roll the dice with Jerry at RG and Newhouse at RT, with the hope that maybe, possibly, Bobby Hart can supplant Newhouse.

Those of you who advocated waiting until Day Three to look for O-Line help, well, it looks like you're about to get your wish.

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the OL could use more help. But did you see our defense last year? Over 6,000 yards allowed again. We lost a game where Eli threw six touchdown passes. At WR, we only had one sure thing: Beckham. This team has a ton of needs. Figure it out.

The offensive line should have been resolved in the offseason through free agency. Not only are newhouse and marshall marginal starters who the hell are their backups? Anthony Davis is the only answer.

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He hasn't even applied for reinstatement, yet, and there's no guarantee that he ever will. Looks like the Giants are going to roll the dice with Jerry at RG and Newhouse at RT, with the hope that maybe, possibly, Bobby Hart can supplant Newhouse. Those of you who advocated waiting until Day Three to look for O-Line help, well, it looks like you're about to get your wish.

I hope everyone is just as happy when the Eagles are kicking our asses twice a year again next year because we can't stop their pass rush or run on them.

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I just posted yesterday that the OL is still a problem. We all get that. Today is the draft. Can we talk about what's going on with that instead of what isn't. We don't know anything more than you do.

Did I mis-label this thread? There are plenty of places for you to discuss the draft. Those who want to discuss potential solutions on the OL can do so here. Some may even want to follow both discussions.

You seem intent on arguing. It isn't clear why, to me. And that's fine.
Enjoy the rest of your night and the rest of the draft.

At the risk of sounding like elimacaroon90210, the guy has started 61 out of 73 games in his career. He was signed by us in the event that Chris Snee was done, which turned out to be the case. The odds are that he'll be our starting RG in 2016.

Marshall Newhouse, on the other hand, was not signed to start. He was supposed to be a backup/swing tackle. He was thrust into a starting role when Beatty got hurt. He did have a couple of good years with the Packers - he started every game at LT when they went 15-1 and won the Super Bowl - but he crashed and burned shortly after that and they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Green Bay. He was a huge disappointment in his one year with the Bengals.

As of now, he's our starting RT, and God help us.

Yeah. It must be me on a thread that began with "what am I missing" and referred to the draft in its second sentence.

a Vet cut may be in play not sure where
all the hype for Davis is coming from .
Once they start pairing down the rosters
or someone gets beat out maybe we pick
up a couple of Vets one to start and one
to back up .

he blows...he shouldn't be a backup...he shouldn't even be in the league. John Jerry is average and should be a backup and used sparingly. We are in fucking trouble up front. I would've went OL before FS in the 3rd. It's amazing Eli put up the numbers he did with that porous line and no running game. Maybe if we can run on 3rd and 1, we can sustain drives and keep our sorry ass D off the field.

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he blows...he shouldn't be a backup...he shouldn't even be in the league. John Jerry is average and should be a backup and used sparingly. We are in fucking trouble up front. I would've went OL before FS in the 3rd. It's amazing Eli put up the numbers he did with that porous line and no running game. Maybe if we can run on 3rd and 1, we can sustain drives and keep our sorry ass D off the field.

Paraphrasing Ric Flair, Whether you like 'em or not, learn to love 'em.