I dont see it. I think he would just be another later round draft pick at LB that will not work out for us. Obviously my opinion is not based on much. I just don't see instincts. I dont see the ability to get off of blocks. He is very hesitant because he is trying to diagnose the play. Now, the mojority of his snaps were on the inside. He does look better on the outside but still not what this D needs imo.
All that matters is that this is one draft where Reese & Co. absolutely, positively, cannot go 0-3 on Day 3. They don't need to find starters (although that would be nice), but they do need to find serviceable role players who will be able to contribute when called upon.
I think its people not seeing that he can rush the passer from the interior as well as play the leverage game, especially, since we already have bigs, that makes him even more valuable, an unusually strong/quick 3.
He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.
I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?
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Pretty much because his game disappears against talented offensive linemen.
By the way, they were touting this draft as best all time for interior linemen. Mayock was saying you could get great value all throughout and even into the undrafted guys, and was saying every GM he spoke with said the same.
If that's the case, why no standouts at DL? Have they really depleted that pool? Did we miss out on this?
We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.
What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.
RE: I think what people are missing on Billings is that he has never been Â
We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.
What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.
Thanks idiot..I can say that without rancor or animus..:) Seriously, thanks, you've answered my question
1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana
3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan
4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah
5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State
6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State
7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU
8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech
9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan
10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri
This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well.
GD: 7 & 2, in that order. Hawkins would start at ROT. Howard is a special back who I think might be the best in the draft behind Zeke.
Agreed on Hawkins, Retro. I'm not completely sold on Howard though, but I buy the upside - there's a bunch of RBs left that I think are strong bets to be productive contributors (Dixon, Williams, Collins, Booker, Perkins) as well as the Keith Marshall lotto ticket with speed to burn.
I'd like to keep an eye on Victor Ochi in the 5th or 6th as that Joker pass rusher that the Giants have tried to target in the past.
Dallas Morning News says that Billings has a possible knee issue Â
anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Weatherly of Vanderbilt. Could be used similar to how the Spags used Kiwanuka back in the day, but I think Weatherly is more used to that already. One thing is clear, I would not mind stockpiling picks if some team called and wanted to trade up because they realize that there is one name clearly at the top of the board. Ideally I would like to see the remaining picks on a combination of OL and Front 7 players, though if we are staring at Dixon or possibly Booker in Round 4 that is awfully tempting. While there are two TE from the state of South Carolina available, I am not sure they are that much better than what we have or can find after the draft is over. This is a weak year at TE and only really Hunter Henry would have been a clear upgrade
Better find a way to leave today's draft with Scoobie Wright, Dixon/Booker, and a serviceable OG/OT. Plenty of linemen are found on day 3 that start and play well. Booker and Dixon are value picks right here in rounds 4-7. Scoobie wright doesn't have the measurables or the combine numbers, but I do not care. He is Zach Thomas reincarnated. I'm telling you this kid is gonna be good. I screamed about Burfict and knew he'd be great, I'm doing the same here for Wright. The kid is a football player and his instincts are second to none. You can't teach instincts. Do us a favor Reese, please.
Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.
anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.
So, what do you suggest, that we skip round 4 altogether? Maybe kidnap Reese and replace him with a look-alike who will then make the picks?
anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.
anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.
Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.
I like Day also. McGovern would be a good get in round 5. He has the versatility to play both guard and tackle.
Brown is intriguing because he is exactly the type of LB this team needs. He is undersized but good in coverage and would help against Ertz, Reed, and Witten.
had 18 TFL last year alone, believe he led all college football in tackles at the line of scrimmage or behind it and has 7 FF's over the past couple years. 2 years ago he had 5.5 sacks and basically played his entire career as an in the box safety. Was only 6'/212 at the combine but he has long arms (33 inches), I'd have him add 5-10 pounds and play WLB. Pairing him and Collins as nickel LB's would do wonders to stop the Lance Dunbars/Jason Wittens of the world from roasting us in 2 minute drills.
Offensive tackle that never plays a down for us.....ha. I think we had a decent draft the first two days, but we need a couple of base-hits here not HRs.
That's what I'd like to focus on with the rest of the draft. 4th round an OL. Westerman, Dahl, or McGovern. 5th round a LB. Schobert, Goodson or Scooby. 6th round a TE or DT. Higbee, Williams, or Ioannidis.
This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...
Westerman is a LG. Pugh is playing LG.
That's not a viable pick.
I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?
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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.
I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?
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Pretty much because his game disappears against talented offensive linemen.
By the way, they were touting this draft as best all time for interior linemen. Mayock was saying you could get great value all throughout and even into the undrafted guys, and was saying every GM he spoke with said the same.
If that's the case, why no standouts at DL? Have they really depleted that pool? Did we miss out on this?
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We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.
What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.
We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.
What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.
Thanks idiot..I can say that without rancor or animus..:) Seriously, thanks, you've answered my question
My top 10 available guys:
1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor - what's the story? Underlying injury?
Something must be up. Is he destined to be a 0-tech for only a 3-4 teams is why he is slipping? Injury? Roids (he's very strong). I don't get it.
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1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana
3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan
4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah
5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State
6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State
7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU
8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech
9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan
10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri
This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well.
GD: 7 & 2, in that order. Hawkins would start at ROT. Howard is a special back who I think might be the best in the draft behind Zeke.
Agreed on Hawkins, Retro. I'm not completely sold on Howard though, but I buy the upside - there's a bunch of RBs left that I think are strong bets to be productive contributors (Dixon, Williams, Collins, Booker, Perkins) as well as the Keith Marshall lotto ticket with speed to burn.
I'd like to keep an eye on Victor Ochi in the 5th or 6th as that Joker pass rusher that the Giants have tried to target in the past.
Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Weatherly is a good call.
So, what do you suggest, that we skip round 4 altogether? Maybe kidnap Reese and replace him with a look-alike who will then make the picks?
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.
:)
This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...
We've already got two of those WRs on the roster in Dable and Davis. I don't think they'll be drafting anymore.
You would think they have to at least consider a guy like Dixon in the 4th round.
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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.
Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:
Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld
Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:
Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.
Don't forget Victor Ochi from Stoney Brook either
OT Willie Beavers
DE Judon
I like Day also. McGovern would be a good get in round 5. He has the versatility to play both guard and tackle.
would be great - mauling type OG.
He's anything but "mauling". Another finesse guy.
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Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue
Is it? Billings is still on the board so something must be wrong there.
OT Willie Beavers
DE Judon
Brown is intriguing because he is exactly the type of LB this team needs. He is undersized but good in coverage and would help against Ertz, Reed, and Witten.
Pharoh Cooper
Tajae Sharpe
Cody Core
RB
Devonte Booker
Jonathan Williams
Kenneth Dixon
Jordan Howard
Tyler Ervin
OT
Caleb Benenoch
Cole Toner
Joel Haeg
Willie Beavers
Brandon Shell
TE
Ben Braunecker
CB
Eric Murray
Harlon Miller
Jalen Reed
Deiondre Hall
DT
Hassan Ridgeway
Matt Ioannidis
DE
Charles Tapper
LB
Josh Perry
Kentrell Brothers
Corey Littleton
I want who Sy wants.