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Round 4 discussion..who do you like?

1st and 10 : 4/29/2016 10:54 pm
Who would you like to see us grab?
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Brothers would be a steal  
wrecking crew : 4/30/2016 8:08 am : link
in the 4th rd.
sy- thoughts on  
jayg5 : 4/30/2016 8:11 am : link
Quinton Jefferson?
We should go LB at least twice because we  
Jimmy Googs : 4/30/2016 8:12 am : link
need them and Reese/team have shown an unusually strong ability to scout and select good ones...
I would also consider looking for a stronger, taller  
Jimmy Googs : 4/30/2016 8:14 am : link
framed WR for outside, and a RB with some pass catching skills.

This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...
I am watching Goodson against Florida State.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/30/2016 8:19 am : link
I dont see it. I think he would just be another later round draft pick at LB that will not work out for us. Obviously my opinion is not based on much. I just don't see instincts. I dont see the ability to get off of blocks. He is very hesitant because he is trying to diagnose the play. Now, the mojority of his snaps were on the inside. He does look better on the outside but still not what this D needs imo.
Majority  
robbieballs2003 : 4/30/2016 8:20 am : link
Not mojority
RE: It doesn't matter who I like.  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 8:23 am : link
In comment 12935565 Klaatu said:
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All that matters is that this is one draft where Reese & Co. absolutely, positively, cannot go 0-3 on Day 3. They don't need to find starters (although that would be nice), but they do need to find serviceable role players who will be able to contribute when called upon.
Klaatu nailed it here.
RE: Westerman  
emobj999 : 4/30/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 12935497 ryanmkeane said:
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would be great - mauling type OG.


Westerman is a LG. Pugh is playing LG.

That's not a viable pick.
RE: How/why is Billings still there?  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 8:27 am : link
In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:
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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.


I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?
obviously, if billings is there in 4, its a huge value play  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 8:31 am : link
I think its people not seeing that he can rush the passer from the interior as well as play the leverage game, especially, since we already have bigs, that makes him even more valuable, an unusually strong/quick 3.
RE: RE: How/why is Billings still there?  
M.S. : 4/30/2016 8:32 am : link
In comment 12935795 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:


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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.



I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?

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Pretty much because his game disappears against talented offensive linemen.
I guess I'll follow Sy's lead  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 8:33 am : link
A LB would be very nice here.

By the way, they were touting this draft as best all time for interior linemen. Mayock was saying you could get great value all throughout and even into the undrafted guys, and was saying every GM he spoke with said the same.

If that's the case, why no standouts at DL? Have they really depleted that pool? Did we miss out on this?
RE: How/why is Billings still there?  
Mark from Jersey : 4/30/2016 8:43 am : link
In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:
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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.
This. Especially teams that run a 3-4.
Jerald Hawkins 100%  
JD in NC : 4/30/2016 8:46 am : link
Would love this kid at RT
Jerald Hawkins - ( New Window )
Overall: We are not solving any major roster problems here  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 8:46 am : link
...just get a guy with some ability.
I think what people are missing on Billings is that he has never been  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 8:53 am : link
paired with a hank, snacks, jpp and Vernon,

We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.

What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.
RE: I think what people are missing on Billings is that he has never been  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 12935847 idiotsavant said:
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paired with a hank, snacks, jpp and Vernon,

We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.

What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.


Thanks idiot..I can say that without rancor or animus..:) Seriously, thanks, you've answered my question
RE: Lots of really quality players left  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2016 9:02 am : link
In comment 12935631 Anakim said:
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Including some battle-tested O-Linemen from the SEC and guys with a ton of starting experience.

My top 10 available guys:

1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor - what's the story? Underlying injury?


Something must be up. Is he destined to be a 0-tech for only a 3-4 teams is why he is slipping? Injury? Roids (he's very strong). I don't get it.
RE: RE: RE: My top 10 wishlist for Round 4:  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/30/2016 9:07 am : link
In comment 12935729 RetroJint said:
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In comment 12935453 Anakim said:


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Andrew Billings sticks out like a sore thumb


1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana
3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan
4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah
5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State
6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State
7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU
8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech
9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan
10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri


This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well.


GD: 7 & 2, in that order. Hawkins would start at ROT. Howard is a special back who I think might be the best in the draft behind Zeke.

Agreed on Hawkins, Retro. I'm not completely sold on Howard though, but I buy the upside - there's a bunch of RBs left that I think are strong bets to be productive contributors (Dixon, Williams, Collins, Booker, Perkins) as well as the Keith Marshall lotto ticket with speed to burn.

I'd like to keep an eye on Victor Ochi in the 5th or 6th as that Joker pass rusher that the Giants have tried to target in the past.
Dallas Morning News says that Billings has a possible knee issue  
Rick in Dallas : 4/30/2016 9:10 am : link
....
RE: Dallas Morning News says that Billings has a possible knee issue  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 12935878 Rick in Dallas said:
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Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue
Does  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:20 am : link
anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.

Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:

Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld

Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:

Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs
RE: RB RB RB  
Beer Man : 4/30/2016 9:22 am : link
In comment 12935752 Earl the goat said:
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Alex Collins please
Maybe, but next year is supposed to be a banner year for RBs. If there is equal value at other positions of need, I would go there this year.
RE: Another name not mentioned  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 12935666 Mike in NY said:
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Weatherly of Vanderbilt. Could be used similar to how the Spags used Kiwanuka back in the day, but I think Weatherly is more used to that already. One thing is clear, I would not mind stockpiling picks if some team called and wanted to trade up because they realize that there is one name clearly at the top of the board. Ideally I would like to see the remaining picks on a combination of OL and Front 7 players, though if we are staring at Dixon or possibly Booker in Round 4 that is awfully tempting. While there are two TE from the state of South Carolina available, I am not sure they are that much better than what we have or can find after the draft is over. This is a weak year at TE and only really Hunter Henry would have been a clear upgrade


Weatherly is a good call.
Reese  
bigfrank612 : 4/30/2016 9:28 am : link
Better find a way to leave today's draft with Scoobie Wright, Dixon/Booker, and a serviceable OG/OT. Plenty of linemen are found on day 3 that start and play well. Booker and Dixon are value picks right here in rounds 4-7. Scoobie wright doesn't have the measurables or the combine numbers, but I do not care. He is Zach Thomas reincarnated. I'm telling you this kid is gonna be good. I screamed about Burfict and knew he'd be great, I'm doing the same here for Wright. The kid is a football player and his instincts are second to none. You can't teach instincts. Do us a favor Reese, please.
Victor  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:30 am : link
Ochi and Kentrell Brothers are two other guys to watch.
Sheldon Day  
Lowell : 4/30/2016 9:34 am : link
Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.
Ricardo  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:43 am : link
Louis.
I really would be thrilled with  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 9:44 am : link
Matt Judon, Andrew Billings, or BJ Goodson in the 4th.
RE: Does  
Klaatu : 4/30/2016 9:50 am : link
In comment 12935895 AcidTest said:
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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.


So, what do you suggest, that we skip round 4 altogether? Maybe kidnap Reese and replace him with a look-alike who will then make the picks?
RE: Does  
SomeFan : 4/30/2016 9:51 am : link
In comment 12935895 AcidTest said:
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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.

Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:

Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld

Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:

Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs


Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.
"My guess is he (Reese) goes “rouge” again"  
PEEJ : 4/30/2016 9:52 am : link
With maybe a "smoky eye".
:)
RE: I would also consider looking for a stronger, taller  
Simms11 : 4/30/2016 10:04 am : link
In comment 12935769 Jimmy Googs said:
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framed WR for outside, and a RB with some pass catching skills.

This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...


We've already got two of those WRs on the roster in Dable and Davis. I don't think they'll be drafting anymore.
There seems to be some  
bigbluehoya : 4/30/2016 10:05 am : link
Pretty terrific value at RB remaining.

You would think they have to at least consider a guy like Dixon in the 4th round.
RE: RE: Does  
Simms11 : 4/30/2016 10:06 am : link
In comment 12935958 SomeFan said:
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In comment 12935895 AcidTest said:


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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.

Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:

Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld

Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:

Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs



Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.


Don't forget Victor Ochi from Stoney Brook either
Three guys that intrigue in Round 4  
Torrag : 4/30/2016 10:44 am : link
LB Jatavis Brown
OT Willie Beavers
DE Judon
RE: Sheldon Day  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 12935926 Lowell said:
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Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.

I like Day also. McGovern would be a good get in round 5. He has the versatility to play both guard and tackle.
RE: Westerman  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/30/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 12935497 ryanmkeane said:
would be great - mauling type OG.

He's anything but "mauling". Another finesse guy.
Does Scooby Wright III interest anyone  
superspynyg : 4/30/2016 10:50 am : link
or is he just a 3-4 guy. NFL.com compares him to Zach Thomas.
RE: RE: Dallas Morning News says that Billings has a possible knee issue  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 10:54 am : link
In comment 12935884 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12935878 Rick in Dallas said:


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Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue

Is it? Billings is still on the board so something must be wrong there.
RE: Three guys that intrigue in Round 4  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 12936054 Torrag said:
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LB Jatavis Brown
OT Willie Beavers
DE Judon

Brown is intriguing because he is exactly the type of LB this team needs. He is undersized but good in coverage and would help against Ertz, Reed, and Witten.
Connor  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 10:55 am : link
McGovern.
A lot of interesting guys  
SirYesSir : 4/30/2016 10:56 am : link
WR

Pharoh Cooper
Tajae Sharpe
Cody Core

RB

Devonte Booker
Jonathan Williams
Kenneth Dixon
Jordan Howard
Tyler Ervin

OT

Caleb Benenoch
Cole Toner
Joel Haeg
Willie Beavers
Brandon Shell

TE

Ben Braunecker

CB

Eric Murray
Harlon Miller
Jalen Reed
Deiondre Hall

DT

Hassan Ridgeway
Matt Ioannidis

DE

Charles Tapper

LB

Josh Perry
Kentrell Brothers
Corey Littleton


Christian Westerman OG ASU or  
Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2016 11:15 am : link
Joshua Perry ILB OSU
I completely forgot about  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 11:19 am : link
CB Robinson. He would be a very good gamble in the 4th. That would potentially solidify the CB position for the next 5 years.
Jeremy Cash (was a SS in college, I'd put him at WLB)  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2016 11:20 am : link
had 18 TFL last year alone, believe he led all college football in tackles at the line of scrimmage or behind it and has 7 FF's over the past couple years. 2 years ago he had 5.5 sacks and basically played his entire career as an in the box safety. Was only 6'/212 at the combine but he has long arms (33 inches), I'd have him add 5-10 pounds and play WLB. Pairing him and Collins as nickel LB's would do wonders to stop the Lance Dunbars/Jason Wittens of the world from roasting us in 2 minute drills.
Big fan of Hassan Ridgeway  
Rflairr : 4/30/2016 11:25 am : link
Giants should go that route this round
We will probably take a project  
Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2016 11:31 am : link
Offensive tackle that never plays a down for us.....ha. I think we had a decent draft the first two days, but we need a couple of base-hits here not HRs.
OL, LB, TE and DT  
The_Taxman : 4/30/2016 11:32 am : link
That's what I'd like to focus on with the rest of the draft. 4th round an OL. Westerman, Dahl, or McGovern. 5th round a LB. Schobert, Goodson or Scooby. 6th round a TE or DT. Higbee, Williams, or Ioannidis.
RE: BJ Goodson  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12935474 Sy'56 said:
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I want who Sy wants.
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