Round 4 discussion..who do you like?

Billings.

Kids has a nose for the tackle

Graham Glasgow
Caleb Benenoch

Some good OL still on the board...

Also like:

Billings, BJ Goodson, Kentrell Brothers, Matt judon, Charles Tapper, Kenneth Dixon

Connor McGovern
Andrew Billings
Kentrell Brothers
Nick Vannett
Jarell Adams
Joe Dahl
BJ Goodson
Graham Glasgow

Andrew Billings sticks out like a sore thumb


1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor
2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana
3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan
4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah
5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State
6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State
7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU
8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech
9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan
10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri




Also the two TEs Nick Vannett and Jerrell Adams haven't been taken yet

BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Charone Peake

First round talent...would mind the Giants trading their remaining picks to get this guy...he is nasty and plays with an attitude we need more toughness in our roster

Tackles Joe Haeg and Caleb Benenoch

Billings , why not Dak Prescott? Keith Marshall

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Kalan reed
Matt judon

Geathers TE
Simmons FS
LIstenbee WR
Dixon RB
Judon DE
Billingd DT
Ochi OLB
Scooby
Robinson CB

In comment 12935478 BigBlue1092 said:

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Geathers TE Simmons FS LIstenbee WR Dixon RB Judon DE Billingd DT Ochi OLB Scooby Robinson CB

Scooby won't be drafted

would be great - mauling type OG.

probably shouldn't because they have more pressing needs, but I don't care, I've got a devil on my shoulder who keeps whispering, "Jonathan Williams, Razorback RB, he can do it all!"

And I do love RB's!



The REAL Mr. Williams! - ( New Window )

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Kyle Murphy

better. But both are decent backs.

I am traveling and i am shocked he has fallen so far...

Billings, Scooby, Michael Thomas, Perry, Washington, Willie Henry, Sheldon Day

He would be a really nice fit

glascow in 3rd. Had to double check.

For Billings to fall this far?

;-)

RB - Dixon, Booker, Perkins
OT - Beavers, Murphy, Hawkins, Lewis, Cooper
OG - Dahl, Westerman
TE - Adams
DE - Tapper, Judon
DT - Billings
OLB - Schobert, Perry
ILB - Brothers, Matakevich

Billings would be really nice in 4th round.

that being said we need a LBer tomorrow two with one of first two picks IMO.

how about billings in 4th and Perry in 5th if there...bbi would have a panic attack without an OT drafted

All that matters is that this is one draft where Reese & Co. absolutely, positively, cannot go 0-3 on Day 3. They don't need to find starters (although that would be nice), but they do need to find serviceable role players who will be able to contribute when called upon.

got. CJ Procise.! Rowr.

So we are going to go with my next on my list ..RB with Jonathan Williams.

And 3 guards, Westerman, Dahl and McGovern

In comment 12935565 Klaatu said:

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All that matters is that this is one draft where Reese & Co. absolutely, positively, cannot go 0-3 on Day 3. They don't need to find starters (although that would be nice), but they do need to find serviceable role players who will be able to contribute when called upon.

agree. i think billings would be a GREAT addition to DL rotation. he is a quick son of gun for his size. proejcted as a top 2 round pick, shocked he is there. also like westermann. i think scholbert could get some PT at LBer. i also like judon.

Jonathan Williams reminds me of Ottis (OJ) Anderson who ended his career with the Giants. Same running form, just a shorter version. I like your find there.

He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.

4-Judon DE
5-Geathers TE
6-Robinson CB

...or OL Benenoch

In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:

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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.

I think he has a medical concern. Maybe with his ankle. Only possible reason why he's available, IMO.

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Including some battle-tested O-Linemen from the SEC and guys with a ton of starting experience.

My top 10 available guys:

1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor - what's the story? Underlying injury?
2) RB Devontae Booker of Utah - great power. Third and short back?
3) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU - SEC. Nimble feet. Great length.
4) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana - BIG BOY. Durability concerns. 3rd down back?
5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State - yes, another Buckeye
6) OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State
7) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan - good size and EXCELLENT feet
8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech
9) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri - very productive in the SEC. Not that athletic but smart
10) TE Jerrell Adams of South Carolina - we need a TE and he's the best one available



Guys I'm keeping on an eye for the Giants later in the draft or or to be signed after the draft (I'm not including QB, FB, WR, OC, ST players or CB). By position:

11) DT Willie Henry of Michigan - athletic, strong 3T
12) DE Ronald Blair of Appalachian State - Sun Belt Conf. Player of the Year
13) DT Sheldon Day of Notre Dame - energizer bunny
14) DE Matt Judon of Grand Valley State - DOMINATED his conference
15) DT Matt Ioannidis of Temple - high effort guy with good size and tools
16) DT David Onyemata of Manitoba - never saw
17) DT Hassan Ridgeway of Texas - very talented but injury concerns?
18) OL John Theus of Georgia - SEC
19) OT Kyle Murphy of Stanford - highly recruited out of high school
20) OG Sebastian Tretola of Arkansas - SEC
21) OL Spencer Drango of Baylor - 4 year starter, leader and very smart
22) OG Joe Dahl of Washington State - very solid player
23) OT Fahn Cooper of Ole Miss - SEC
24) RT Avery Young of Auburn - SEC
25) RT Brandon Shell of South Carolina - Art Shell's nephew
26) OL Cole Toner of Harvard
27) OL Stephane Nembot of Colorado - major project but has tools
28) OT Keith Lumpkin of Rutgers - excellent feet and length
29) LB BJ Goodson of Clemson (because Sy likes him)
30) WLB Travis Feeney of Washington - very fast
31) WLB Beniquez Brown of Mississippi State
32) WLB De'Vondre Campbell of Minnesota (who Sy loves)
33) RB Keith Marshall of Georgia - speedy guy
34) RB Tyler Ervin of San Jose State - speedster
35) SS Miles Killebrew of Southern Utah - hard, bone-crunching hitter
36) SS Elijah Shumate of Notre Dame
37) FS Jalen Mills of LSU - versatile but major off-the-field issues
38) SS Jeremy Cash of Duke - excellent in-the-box
39) TE Beau Sandland of Montana State - never saw



And to round out 40.....



Remember DE Shawn Oakman of Baylor? Haha



Also curious to see where Scooby Wright and Tyler Matakevich wind up

Weatherly of Vanderbilt. Could be used similar to how the Spags used Kiwanuka back in the day, but I think Weatherly is more used to that already. One thing is clear, I would not mind stockpiling picks if some team called and wanted to trade up because they realize that there is one name clearly at the top of the board. Ideally I would like to see the remaining picks on a combination of OL and Front 7 players, though if we are staring at Dixon or possibly Booker in Round 4 that is awfully tempting. While there are two TE from the state of South Carolina available, I am not sure they are that much better than what we have or can find after the draft is over. This is a weak year at TE and only really Hunter Henry would have been a clear upgrade

Are two I like.

In comment 12935453 Anakim said:

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Andrew Billings sticks out like a sore thumb 1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor 2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana 3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan 4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah 5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State 6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State 7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU 8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech 9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan 10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri

This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well.

LB BJ Goodson
CB Robinson
OL Drango
OL Westerman
OT Benenoch
OL Ehinger
WR Peake
WR Cajuste
WR Liostenbee

I'm not seeing a lot to get excited about at either position (although there is still value at other positions)

In comment 12935489 huygens20 said:

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In comment 12935478 BigBlue1092 Scooby won't be drafted

Why is apparently dropping? I didn't expect him off the board yet but I've read how his stock is really dropping. I was hoping the Giants would grab him in Round 4 yet there are still many better names out there IMO. I like Scooby though.

3 picks , all positions of need.

I think it's time to add some bigger , tougher , nastier guys now.

OL
Benenoch
Westerman
RB
Dixon
DE
Judon

OL
Benenoch
Westerman
RB
Dixon
DE
Judon
CB
Rashard Robinson- shut down Mike Evans as a Freshman

In that order. I'm going off of Sy's write-ups

Late or UDFA.

I'm hopeful having a former LSU coach on staff could help with those UDFA choices.

Since the Giants are done early in the draft they should be aggressively working UDFA possibilities.

But there aren't many standouts. And I don't think I want those guys any more than I want BJ Goodson, LB from Clemson

In comment 12935686 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 12935453 Anakim said: Quote: Andrew Billings sticks out like a sore thumb 1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor 2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana 3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan 4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah 5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State 6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State 7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU 8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech 9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan 10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well.

GD: 7 & 2, in that order. Hawkins would start at ROT. Howard is a special back who I think might be the best in the draft behind Zeke.

Alex Collins please

in the 4th rd.

Quinton Jefferson?

need them and Reese/team have shown an unusually strong ability to scout and select good ones...

framed WR for outside, and a RB with some pass catching skills.

This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...

I dont see it. I think he would just be another later round draft pick at LB that will not work out for us. Obviously my opinion is not based on much. I just don't see instincts. I dont see the ability to get off of blocks. He is very hesitant because he is trying to diagnose the play. Now, the mojority of his snaps were on the inside. He does look better on the outside but still not what this D needs imo.

Not mojority

In comment 12935565 Klaatu said:

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All that matters is that this is one draft where Reese & Co. absolutely, positively, cannot go 0-3 on Day 3. They don't need to find starters (although that would be nice), but they do need to find serviceable role players who will be able to contribute when called upon.

Klaatu nailed it here.

In comment 12935497 ryanmkeane said:

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would be great - mauling type OG.

Westerman is a LG. Pugh is playing LG.

That's not a viable pick.

In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:

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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.

I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?

I think its people not seeing that he can rush the passer from the interior as well as play the leverage game, especially, since we already have bigs, that makes him even more valuable, an unusually strong/quick 3.

In comment 12935795 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12935607 Matt M. said: Quote: He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd. I have the same question..If he's a "first round talent," then why is he still sitting there?

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Pretty much because his game disappears against talented offensive linemen.

A LB would be very nice here.

By the way, they were touting this draft as best all time for interior linemen. Mayock was saying you could get great value all throughout and even into the undrafted guys, and was saying every GM he spoke with said the same.

If that's the case, why no standouts at DL? Have they really depleted that pool? Did we miss out on this?

In comment 12935607 Matt M. said:

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He is the one guy that sticks out to me, because I would have considered him in the 3rd and thought he would go in the 2nd or 3rd.

This. Especially teams that run a 3-4.

Would love this kid at RT
Jerald Hawkins - ( New Window )

...just get a guy with some ability.

paired with a hank, snacks, jpp and Vernon,

We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage.

What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.

In comment 12935847 idiotsavant said:

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paired with a hank, snacks, jpp and Vernon, We could use him in a semi open single gap, at the 3, as opposed to the 0 or 1, and let him terrorize people with the quick get off, power and low leverage. What we have wanted for years and could never find, right there.

Thanks idiot..I can say that without rancor or animus..:) Seriously, thanks, you've answered my question

In comment 12935631 Anakim said:

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Including some battle-tested O-Linemen from the SEC and guys with a ton of starting experience. My top 10 available guys: 1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor - what's the story? Underlying injury?

Something must be up. Is he destined to be a 0-tech for only a 3-4 teams is why he is slipping? Injury? Roids (he's very strong). I don't get it.

In comment 12935729 RetroJint said:

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In comment 12935686 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 12935453 Anakim said: Quote: Andrew Billings sticks out like a sore thumb 1) DT Andrew Billings of Baylor 2) RB Jordan Howard of Indiana 3) OT Willie Beavers of Western Michigan 4) RB Devontae Booker of Utah 5) LB Josh Perry of Ohio State 6)OG Christian Westerman of Arizona State 7) OT Jerald Hawkins of LSU 8) RB Kenneth Dixon of Louisiana Tech 9)DT Willie Henry of Michigan 10) LB Kentrell Brothers of Missouri This is a good list - I'd add Scooby Wright, B.J. Goodson and Connor McGovern to this list as well. GD: 7 & 2, in that order. Hawkins would start at ROT. Howard is a special back who I think might be the best in the draft behind Zeke.

Agreed on Hawkins, Retro. I'm not completely sold on Howard though, but I buy the upside - there's a bunch of RBs left that I think are strong bets to be productive contributors (Dixon, Williams, Collins, Booker, Perkins) as well as the Keith Marshall lotto ticket with speed to burn.

I'd like to keep an eye on Victor Ochi in the 5th or 6th as that Joker pass rusher that the Giants have tried to target in the past.

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In comment 12935878 Rick in Dallas said:

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Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue

anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.

Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants:

Andrew Billings
Hassan Ridgeway
Willie Henry
Caleb Benenoch
Willie Beavers
Jerald Hawkins
Christian Westerman
Spencer Drango
Josh Perry
BJ Goodson
Rashard Robinson
Devon Cajuste
Paul McRoberts
Jordan Payton
Nate Sudfeld

Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in:

Luke Rhodes
Michael Jordan
Donte Deayon
Reggie Diggs

In comment 12935752 Earl the goat said:

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Alex Collins please

Maybe, but next year is supposed to be a banner year for RBs. If there is equal value at other positions of need, I would go there this year.

In comment 12935666 Mike in NY said:

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Weatherly of Vanderbilt. Could be used similar to how the Spags used Kiwanuka back in the day, but I think Weatherly is more used to that already. One thing is clear, I would not mind stockpiling picks if some team called and wanted to trade up because they realize that there is one name clearly at the top of the board. Ideally I would like to see the remaining picks on a combination of OL and Front 7 players, though if we are staring at Dixon or possibly Booker in Round 4 that is awfully tempting. While there are two TE from the state of South Carolina available, I am not sure they are that much better than what we have or can find after the draft is over. This is a weak year at TE and only really Hunter Henry would have been a clear upgrade

Weatherly is a good call.

Better find a way to leave today's draft with Scoobie Wright, Dixon/Booker, and a serviceable OG/OT. Plenty of linemen are found on day 3 that start and play well. Booker and Dixon are value picks right here in rounds 4-7. Scoobie wright doesn't have the measurables or the combine numbers, but I do not care. He is Zach Thomas reincarnated. I'm telling you this kid is gonna be good. I screamed about Burfict and knew he'd be great, I'm doing the same here for Wright. The kid is a football player and his instincts are second to none. You can't teach instincts. Do us a favor Reese, please.

Ochi and Kentrell Brothers are two other guys to watch.

Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.

Louis.

Matt Judon, Andrew Billings, or BJ Goodson in the 4th.

In comment 12935895 AcidTest said:

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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else.

So, what do you suggest, that we skip round 4 altogether? Maybe kidnap Reese and replace him with a look-alike who will then make the picks?

In comment 12935895 AcidTest said:

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anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else. Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants: Andrew Billings Hassan Ridgeway Willie Henry Caleb Benenoch Willie Beavers Jerald Hawkins Christian Westerman Spencer Drango Josh Perry BJ Goodson Rashard Robinson Devon Cajuste Paul McRoberts Jordan Payton Nate Sudfeld Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in: Luke Rhodes Michael Jordan Donte Deayon Reggie Diggs

Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.

With maybe a "smoky eye".
:)

In comment 12935769 Jimmy Googs said:

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framed WR for outside, and a RB with some pass catching skills. This will clean up the shitty reserves we have at both positions and maybe we get lucky too...

We've already got two of those WRs on the roster in Dable and Davis. I don't think they'll be drafting anymore.

Pretty terrific value at RB remaining.

You would think they have to at least consider a guy like Dixon in the 4th round.

In comment 12935958 SomeFan said:

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In comment 12935895 AcidTest said: Quote: anyone really trust Reese today? He has wasted almost every day three pick for years. It’s like this day doesn’t even exist. And of course he won’t even consider trading down to get extra picks. My guess is he goes “rouge” again like he did last year with Thompson. He’s smarter than everyone else. Here’s who I like, none of who will probably be on the Giants: Andrew Billings Hassan Ridgeway Willie Henry Caleb Benenoch Willie Beavers Jerald Hawkins Christian Westerman Spencer Drango Josh Perry BJ Goodson Rashard Robinson Devon Cajuste Paul McRoberts Jordan Payton Nate Sudfeld Some small school prospects the Giants might be interested in: Luke Rhodes Michael Jordan Donte Deayon Reggie Diggs Agree, but I am hoping the disaster of the roster forces him to do a better job in these rounds.

Don't forget Victor Ochi from Stoney Brook either

LB Jatavis Brown
OT Willie Beavers
DE Judon

In comment 12935926 Lowell said:

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Gives the Giants something they need: An inside pass rusher. He is explosive and gets penetration. Too small for regular inside duty, but ideal as a situational player. He also can be used at DE. Excellent intangibles.

I like Day also. McGovern would be a good get in round 5. He has the versatility to play both guard and tackle.

In comment 12935497 ryanmkeane said:
would be great - mauling type OG.

He's anything but "mauling". Another finesse guy.

or is he just a 3-4 guy. NFL.com compares him to Zach Thomas.

In comment 12935884 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12935878 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: .... Ahh..Hard to believe that a "first round" talent's medicals wouldn't be known or talked about, especially if it was an issue

Is it? Billings is still on the board so something must be wrong there.

In comment 12936054 Torrag said:

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LB Jatavis Brown OT Willie Beavers DE Judon

Brown is intriguing because he is exactly the type of LB this team needs. He is undersized but good in coverage and would help against Ertz, Reed, and Witten.

McGovern.

WR

Pharoh Cooper
Tajae Sharpe
Cody Core

RB

Devonte Booker
Jonathan Williams
Kenneth Dixon
Jordan Howard
Tyler Ervin

OT

Caleb Benenoch
Cole Toner
Joel Haeg
Willie Beavers
Brandon Shell

TE

Ben Braunecker

CB

Eric Murray
Harlon Miller
Jalen Reed
Deiondre Hall

DT

Hassan Ridgeway
Matt Ioannidis

DE

Charles Tapper

LB

Josh Perry
Kentrell Brothers
Corey Littleton

Joshua Perry ILB OSU

CB Robinson. He would be a very good gamble in the 4th. That would potentially solidify the CB position for the next 5 years.

had 18 TFL last year alone, believe he led all college football in tackles at the line of scrimmage or behind it and has 7 FF's over the past couple years. 2 years ago he had 5.5 sacks and basically played his entire career as an in the box safety. Was only 6'/212 at the combine but he has long arms (33 inches), I'd have him add 5-10 pounds and play WLB. Pairing him and Collins as nickel LB's would do wonders to stop the Lance Dunbars/Jason Wittens of the world from roasting us in 2 minute drills.

Giants should go that route this round

Offensive tackle that never plays a down for us.....ha. I think we had a decent draft the first two days, but we need a couple of base-hits here not HRs.

That's what I'd like to focus on with the rest of the draft. 4th round an OL. Westerman, Dahl, or McGovern. 5th round a LB. Schobert, Goodson or Scooby. 6th round a TE or DT. Higbee, Williams, or Ioannidis.

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I want who Sy wants.