And trade Melo for picks. Get the rebuild going finally. We've needed to be in rebuild mode for 15 years, minus a season or two, but our GMs and owner just didn't know it.
Did anyone really think that he was even going to consider the Knicks? We need to accept the joke the franchise has become especially when Phil the Savior is only considering a guy whose career winning percentage excluding the first 40 games when he took over a very good team with the Lakers is about .300. Good for a baseball player but sad when you consider this is the guy Phil has a hard on for to coach the Knicks. And after they overpay for second tier free agents they will be locked into sucking for another decade.
has the potential to be even worse than a typical Knicks shitshow. Rambis driving the tank, Melo trade rumors (unless he's dealt earlier), rampant speculation about Phil's future, and a rabid NY media milking it for all it's worth. Hopefully the Giants will be good enough to distract us til January.
All they have to do to fix this is hire rambis, trade melo
To only option Knicks. Because that's all the Knicks will get as far as players and coaches with Dolan's track record. Why would anyone with better options want to coach or play for the Knicks knowing Phil is a short timer and all of Dolan's stooges are lined up to replace him when he's gone? If Phil would have been allowed to clean house and put in a line of succession maybe he would have made the Knicks an attractive destination. But right now they are the last place anyone in the NBA with better options will choose.
To only option Knicks. Because that's all the Knicks will get as far as players and coaches with Dolan's track record. Why would anyone with better options want to coach or play for the Knicks knowing Phil is a short timer and all of Dolan's stooges are lined up to replace him when he's gone? If Phil would have been allowed to clean house and put in a line of succession maybe he would have made the Knicks an attractive destination. But right now they are the last place anyone in the NBA with better options will choose.
Or the fact that Kerr and Walton are both west coast guys and in Walton's case was never coming here...
Kerr in fact agreed to coach Knicks and was close to making it official until warriors fired Jackson and Kerr saw an opportunity to coach close to home and work for one of his friends...
Its not all black and white like you make it out to be, its not as simple as Phil can't get the coach he wants
Although I would have liked to see the Knicks hire Walton, we
Walton is an unique case because he's a west coast guy through and through, but I bet most would prefer to Lakers to the Knicks.
Lakers is rid of Bryant, we still have Melo. They have more promising young players on their squad than ours. With their luck, they'll probably get a top 3 pick too.
Please enlighten me, if melo is on this tram next year what is he hurting?
And are you serious players find Lakers more attractive? Aldridge thought their presentation was a joke! Who are the recent big ticket free agents that have signed there?
You honestly think Durant was choosing between LA and new York you think he is choosing the Lakers?
The only reason they got Walton is because he is a west coast guy, an LA guy and used to play for the Lakers...
And who are all these future great young players? Russell? Clarkson? who they now have to pay, nick young? Louis Williams? Julius randle? Someone who can't shoot past 5 feet...
The Knicks even if they max out a player this year could get close to another max the following year, so you see even if melo is on the team and they spend their money this off season, they are still not capped out...
Ha, so let's see which coach they hire and which free agents they
There are as many fans who want Melo gone than kept, what does that say?
If you are banking on Durant coming here? Maybe LeBron too?
All we know is that we are likely staring at Rambis as the next head coach, and I guess some feel that's the appropriate next step in the however many step rebuilding process...
They only want to trade him if the Knicks get proper compensation, nobody wants to give melo away for nothing but go ahead and keeping thinking people want to get rid of melo..
And no one is saying Durant or bust, but if they can pry batum away to play shooting guard, someone who fits perfectly that is a good start and turns this into a playoff team
The other day people were proposing Melo for Olynyk and a first, what??
There just doesn't seem to be blueprint to success for us. Last year was supposed to be the big splash, instead we got Lopez, Afflalo, and DWill. So now we are told by diehards that we need to trade Melo, tank for a year with Rambis, and then wait for the next big splash?
Ugh.
RE: I don't think fans are freaking out, we are way past that stage.
The other day people were proposing Melo for Olynyk and a first, what??
There just doesn't seem to be blueprint to success for us. Last year was supposed to be the big splash, instead we got Lopez, Afflalo, and DWill. So now we are told by diehards that we need to trade Melo, tank for a year with Rambis, and then wait for the next big splash?
Ugh.
There's no big splash or quick fix. Accept a draft rebuild, or you're just going in circles.
A top 6 lottery pick in what should be a terrific draft. If the Knicks trade Melo, they'll likely have another top 6 pick of their own in that draft. Add two elite talents to KP, and now you'd have the nucleus to build a young, contending team around. The kind of nucleus that attracts veteran FAS who want to win a title.
It's the only way they're ever going to escape basketball purgatory.
Is the only way to move forward with this franchise. I've been saying it for three years
If Durant goes to the Wizards then send Melo there too. It's a perfect fit
In return you can get Porter. Oubre and Morris plus draft pick
Throw max money at Derozan for your shooting guard and trade Lopez and your on your way to a major rebuild
A top 6 lottery pick in what should be a terrific draft. If the Knicks trade Melo, they'll likely have another top 6 pick of their own in that draft. Add two elite talents to KP, and now you'd have the nucleus to build a young, contending team around. The kind of nucleus that attracts veteran FAS who want to win a title.
It's the only way they're ever going to escape basketball purgatory.
Which team is he waiving his no trade clause for that is sending back a top six lottery puck?
Boston, either by him agreeing to go there or them being the third team in a three way deal with the Clippers or Cavs
Also, Minnesota for #5 and something else would be a great place to win. Towns, Melo, Wiggins, Lavine, Rubio.
Also New Orleans. Still very likely that AD is one of the top 5 player going forward. And because of Davis's contract (22 million in 2017 is <60% of the veteran max), they can sign a Durant or Westbrook even with Melo.
Not sure he wants to live in those places, but if he wants to win, you could make an argument for either.
in basketball decisions, but he cannot let Phil hire Kurt fucking Rambis. I know people think he's the optimal choice for tanking, but I don't even want him in the same room with KP (assuming Melo asks for a trade 4 seconds after Rambis is hired).
The conspiracy theories about Walton, Phil, and LA are starting to piss me off.
in basketball decisions, but he cannot let Phil hire Kurt fucking Rambis. I know people think he's the optimal choice for tanking, but I don't even want him in the same room with KP (assuming Melo asks for a trade 4 seconds after Rambis is hired).
The conspiracy theories about Walton, Phil, and LA are starting to piss me off.
Well everyone was shitting on Byron Scott all season long, but it doesn't seem as bad now that they have a likely top 3 pick and Luke Walton.
The pale over this team is still from moves made pre-Phil Jackson and now fans want Dolan to step in and start over ruling Phil's decisions? If that happens we might as well forget about any chance of rebuilding the correct way.
I don't know if Phil will pull it off or not but he still represents our best chance of having the fortitude of building the team the right way. He needs to be given time. The biggest decision he has had to make he got it right with KP. I hope Dolan stays far away until l Phil has a chance to make a few more and then we can see how it all unfolds.
The team he took over was a mess. It takes time
The Lakers keeping their pick is basically a coin flip
They have a 55% chance of keeping it. If the draft this year is as weak as everyone suggests, it might be better that they lose the pick this year, that way they maintain their pick for next year. However, that means that their 2018 1st round pick will go to Orlando, but it is Top-5 protected. After that, it is unprotected (2019).
than Simmons or Ingram next year. This is a two pick draft with a huge drop off after those two. I want the Lakers to come out of this offseason with Whiteside, DeRozan, and Ingram.
RE: Aspano, I don't think there'll be anyone better
than Simmons or Ingram next year. This is a two pick draft with a huge drop off after those two. I want the Lakers to come out of this offseason with Whiteside, DeRozan, and Ingram.
Murray from Kentucky will be a player. But he wouldnt help LA.
Was giving Anthony 5 almost max years and a no trade. Of course it's highly likely that was a condition of his employment. For 60 million I'd have done it too.
I will be so livid if we had to give up our lottery pick this year
But what if the Lakers wind up without a pick, or outside the top 2? Especially with the weak FA class, would you want them to tank this year to try for a better pick next year?
Sounds like there's some smoke surrounding a Blatt hire
over in Israel, unless the Twitter world is just picking up on Tommy Dee. I'd hate to think he has that kind of reach. Maybe we'll get an announcement soon.
Never mind, Blatt's gonna interview in Sacramento.
I'm not sure if I can withstand going through another disastrous season. I'd like to see a more competitive team next year. Mediocrity would be a huge step up from this year!
Frank Vogel of the Pacers just shook loose, per Woj
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Indiana coach Frank Vogel's contract expires at season's end and so far there's been no discussion of a contract extension.
this is the second time Phil's primary coaching target
Looking more and more like Rambis... :'(
They have traded a first round pick under Jackson? News to me...
Let's wait to see who is the head coach before we start killing the Knicks...
Or the fact that Kerr and Walton are both west coast guys and in Walton's case was never coming here...
Kerr in fact agreed to coach Knicks and was close to making it official until warriors fired Jackson and Kerr saw an opportunity to coach close to home and work for one of his friends...
Its not all black and white like you make it out to be, its not as simple as Phil can't get the coach he wants
Still, it's pathetic that the Knicks' future looks ten times bleaker than the Lakers', that's saying something.
If it's Blatt or Rambis, just give me Rambis and let's officially write off the next year.
Lakers is rid of Bryant, we still have Melo. They have more promising young players on their squad than ours. With their luck, they'll probably get a top 3 pick too.
And are you serious players find Lakers more attractive? Aldridge thought their presentation was a joke! Who are the recent big ticket free agents that have signed there?
You honestly think Durant was choosing between LA and new York you think he is choosing the Lakers?
The only reason they got Walton is because he is a west coast guy, an LA guy and used to play for the Lakers...
And who are all these future great young players? Russell? Clarkson? who they now have to pay, nick young? Louis Williams? Julius randle? Someone who can't shoot past 5 feet...
There are as many fans who want Melo gone than kept, what does that say?
If you are banking on Durant coming here? Maybe LeBron too?
All we know is that we are likely staring at Rambis as the next head coach, and I guess some feel that's the appropriate next step in the however many step rebuilding process...
And no one is saying Durant or bust, but if they can pry batum away to play shooting guard, someone who fits perfectly that is a good start and turns this into a playoff team
The other day people were proposing Melo for Olynyk and a first, what??
There just doesn't seem to be blueprint to success for us. Last year was supposed to be the big splash, instead we got Lopez, Afflalo, and DWill. So now we are told by diehards that we need to trade Melo, tank for a year with Rambis, and then wait for the next big splash?
Ugh.
The other day people were proposing Melo for Olynyk and a first, what??
There just doesn't seem to be blueprint to success for us. Last year was supposed to be the big splash, instead we got Lopez, Afflalo, and DWill. So now we are told by diehards that we need to trade Melo, tank for a year with Rambis, and then wait for the next big splash?
Ugh.
There's no big splash or quick fix. Accept a draft rebuild, or you're just going in circles.
It's the only way they're ever going to escape basketball purgatory.
If Durant goes to the Wizards then send Melo there too. It's a perfect fit
In return you can get Porter. Oubre and Morris plus draft pick
Throw max money at Derozan for your shooting guard and trade Lopez and your on your way to a major rebuild
It's the only way they're ever going to escape basketball purgatory.
Which team is he waiving his no trade clause for that is sending back a top six lottery puck?
Also, Minnesota for #5 and something else would be a great place to win. Towns, Melo, Wiggins, Lavine, Rubio.
Also New Orleans. Still very likely that AD is one of the top 5 player going forward. And because of Davis's contract (22 million in 2017 is <60% of the veteran max), they can sign a Durant or Westbrook even with Melo.
Not sure he wants to live in those places, but if he wants to win, you could make an argument for either.
The conspiracy theories about Walton, Phil, and LA are starting to piss me off.
Tommy Dee, the guy who said Lebron to NY was a lock in 2010? The guy who said Mike D'Antoni was a basketball genius?
The conspiracy theories about Walton, Phil, and LA are starting to piss me off.
Well everyone was shitting on Byron Scott all season long, but it doesn't seem as bad now that they have a likely top 3 pick and Luke Walton.
The pale over this team is still from moves made pre-Phil Jackson and now fans want Dolan to step in and start over ruling Phil's decisions? If that happens we might as well forget about any chance of rebuilding the correct way.
I don't know if Phil will pull it off or not but he still represents our best chance of having the fortitude of building the team the right way. He needs to be given time. The biggest decision he has had to make he got it right with KP. I hope Dolan stays far away until l Phil has a chance to make a few more and then we can see how it all unfolds.
The team he took over was a mess. It takes time
Murray from Kentucky will be a player. But he wouldnt help LA.
*might just shake loose
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Indiana coach Frank Vogel's contract expires at season's end and so far there's been no discussion of a contract extension.
Phil's gonna have to start coaching and show the way if they're really gonna go anywhere