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Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 7:25 am
Again, I will get more in to the Giants review over the next few days. They've done a nice job so far and I still think the theme is going to be surrounded on guys that will help this team in 2016 for at least the 4th round pick. Who is still out there that I think NYG is looking at?

Many were thinking NYG was going to go offensive line in round 3. I didn't see it. The guys that are available now are most likely backup-caliber. This team like what they have at RG between Jerry and the future of Bobby Hart. So even though there are some names I like there, I think they only look at RT today. Two guys I like are Parker Ehinger - Cincinnati and Halapoulivaati Vaitai - TCU . They are both big guys that played left tackle in college, likely making a move to RT in the NFL. Ehinger is more pro ready, but Vaitai has more upside. If you are looking at developmental left tackles for later in the day, Alex Lewis - Nebraska, Joe Haeg - North Dakota State, and Tyler Johnstone - Oregon. I also think NYG is one of the teams that thinks Brandon Shell - South Carolina can be a starter early in his career.

There are a few guards I personally like a ton. Connor McGovern - Missouri is at the top of that list and I think he is an ideal fit for any rendition of a zone blocking scheme. Joe Dahl - Washington State and Spencer Drango are guys that will need time to adjust to the NFL eay of blocking but the former OTs project really well inside.

As expected, we enter day three with a ton of talent available at RB. There are a few guys there that personally, I would gladly take over any of the current NYG running backs. But also as expected, I think NYG passes on them. They are going in to 2016 with what they have. But man, it's hard to pass on Kenneth Dixon - Louisiana Tech and Paul Perkins - UCLA round after round.

Tight end? The only guy I am really looking at is the kid I helped get in to the East/West Shrine Game, David Morgan - UTSA. Really strong and powerful. Really quick and competitive. He would be an awesome number three TE to have here.

I don't think NYG is done adding to their defense. As a matter of fact I think they are leaning in that direction with their 4th rounder. I think they want to add another body at both DT and DE, perhaps more urgency at DT. Andrew Billings - Baylor is there but they may not see a guy that will make enough plays and/or pass rush impact. I don't think they will look there. If they want someone for their nickel and dime packages, I think Matt Ioannidis - Temple, Connor Wujciak - Boston College, Hassan Ridgeway - Texas, and WIllie Henry - Michigan are on their short list.

If this team is looking for another outside pass rusher for depth purposes, look for them to have high grades on Matt Judon - Grand Valley State, Charles Tapper - Oklahoma, Romeo Okwara - Notre Dame, all guys with the tools they look for. Personally I am still very intrigued by the upside of Stephen Weatherly - Vanderbilt.

Now we come to the spot where I am almost sure NYG will be looking with one their 3 picks today, LB. It's been the Jerry Reese way to try and piece together that second level with middle tier FAs and late draft picks. There is a name that sits atop my board right now...that would be the ideal fit for their weak side LB. BJ Goodson - Clemson. I called him a 100+ tackle guy year in, year out a few months ago and I still feel that way. I'm not as confident he can thrive in the MIKE role, but on the weak side where he has some more open space to deal with, I think he can be a big time presence right away. NYG needs to get this kid on their team and I bet they can't keep him out of the starting lineup by mid-season.

Josh Perry - Ohio State is a solid inside presence that would essentially give them another Keenan Robinson. Tyler Matakevich - Temple and Kentrell Brothers - Missouri are less than ideal athletes but have a nose for the ball. They could be solid backups with big time special teams ability. If this team wants an athlete to develop, look for them to give De'Vondre Campbell - Minnesota a long look. Blake Martinez - Stanford gives them the kind of tools they look for as well.

Lastly, I think there is still a small chance they add another WR. There are some high upside guys available and NYG has to know they are playing with fire there, especially if Cruz can't bounce back. How about the big and fast Charone Peake - Clemson, whom I love. A few guys that you could draft with a developmental approach, Ricardo Louis - Auburn, Kolby Listenbee - TCU, Cayleb Jones - Arizona, Marquez North - Tennessee, Demarcus Robinson - Florida, and Rahard Higgins - Colorado State are names I think they will like.

One more name that keeps jumping out at me is Devon Cajuste - Stanford. He had a faster 3 cone than anyone in this entire class. He is 6'4/235 with monster hands and long arms. He runs good routes and he plays hard. If this team wants a new guy that presents matchup problems kind of the way Aaron Hernandez did for Stanford...this could be a smart risk to take.

My prediction for Day 3:

4 - BJ Goodson - LB/Clemson
5 - Brandon Shell - OT/South Carolina
6 - Willie Henry - DT/Michigan
Awesome write up Sy  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 7:29 am : link
Thanks!
Great Post  
GuzzaBlue : 4/30/2016 7:29 am : link
I think if the Giants add some beef up front and snag a LB, I will feel great about this draft. I think they are in good position too. Lot of good OL and DL players still on the board.
Someone mentioned the German kid.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/30/2016 7:39 am : link
If he is still available after the draft the Giants will make a strong push for him.
Sy  
Gregorio : 4/30/2016 7:41 am : link
thank you for all of your contributions.
Romeo Okwara  
KevinBBWC : 4/30/2016 7:42 am : link
is a guy a really like. As a ND fan also like Day but he seems like a 3-4 DE.
Lots of talent still on the board.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2016 7:43 am : link
I like both the Clemson guys.

I have a feeling they will take Judon, some DE depth with upside.

Thanks for the info Sy.
RE: Romeo Okwara  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2016 7:46 am : link
In comment 12935726 KevinBBWC said:
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is a guy a really like. As a ND fan also like Day but he seems like a 3-4 DE.


I'm not sure if Day has a position at the next level. Undersized for the inside, and lacks the length to play outside.
I fully expect Willie Henry to be gone by the  
barens : 4/30/2016 7:55 am : link
4th round, but who knows. I would love Shell, he's a very good player who's been stuck on some pretty bad offenses.
I'd like one of the two Tackles in the 4th  
PatersonPlank : 4/30/2016 7:55 am : link
We need more competition there and maybe one of these guys can cut it. It seems like a big drop after they are gone to the rest.
Thanks SY  
Andy in Boston : 4/30/2016 7:55 am : link
I know you're not a fan but I like Eric Striker. Also intrigued by Rashard Robinson, LSU. I really think they need to add another CB. Also like Keith Marshall, Georgia RB.
Sy  
AnnapolisMike : 4/30/2016 7:57 am : link
Thanks for all the hard work you put in for BBI.

Guessing  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/30/2016 7:58 am : link
Rashard Robinson and Pharoah Cooper are out of their plans since they drafted Apple and Shepherd...but would love both to really solidify the cbs/wrs
RE: Guessing  
Andy in Boston : 4/30/2016 8:05 am : link
In comment 12935743 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Rashard Robinson and Pharoah Cooper are out of their plans since they drafted Apple and Shepherd...but would love both to really solidify the cbs/wrs


We have 3 viable CB's .... We need 4,
SY'56 - Great Stuff!  
ZogZerg : 4/30/2016 8:11 am : link
Thanks for all of you work on this.

BTW, who were your 2 picks for the Giants yesterday? I would guess Sheppard was your 2nd round pick, so who in the 3rd?
4-5-6  
Earl the goat : 4/30/2016 8:16 am : link
Charone Peak
Rashard Robinson
Keith Marshall or Alex Collins

WR and Secondary set for years

Bobby Hart at RG and go get Anthony Davis if possible
Thanks again, Sy.  
Ira : 4/30/2016 8:20 am : link
Day three has the players that many of us aren't so familiar with including some that we haven't ever heard of. This is a big help.
RE: 4-5-6  
emobj999 : 4/30/2016 8:20 am : link
In comment 12935772 Earl the goat said:
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Charone Peak
Rashard Robinson
Keith Marshall or Alex Collins

WR and Secondary set for years

Bobby Hart at RG and go get Anthony Davis if possible



Dude, Bobby Hart is not playing RG. Are you following this team at all?
I love you Sy  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 8:21 am : link
You are so amazing and informative. Thanks for everything.
Thanks Sy  
illmatic : 4/30/2016 8:22 am : link
Goodson or Peake sound like they would be perfect in round 4, even if they require a trade up to get them.

Of course, this means that they won't take either of them.
Great job Sy.  
GiantsUA : 4/30/2016 8:26 am : link
Thanks for you thoughtful insight.
RE: SY'56 - Great Stuff!  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 8:31 am : link
In comment 12935762 ZogZerg said:
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Thanks for all of you work on this.

BTW, who were your 2 picks for the Giants yesterday? I would guess Sheppard was your 2nd round pick, so who in the 3rd?


Shepard and Simmons
Thanks sy  
Mike B from JC : 4/30/2016 8:33 am : link
As always great job. I'm liking goodson, in the 4th because he isn't going to make the 5th. One of the RT in rd 5 and 6 possibly a de. I think the secondary is vastly improved now. Olb and RT now needs repair. Go giants
Chances are, and I hope I am wrong  
The_Boss : 4/30/2016 8:39 am : link
But anyone we draft today will be depth or development. Unfortunately, it looks like we're going to have to endure the inconsistencies of Marshall Newhouse and John Jerry/Bobby Hart on the right side of the OL, unless this FO can uncover a diamond in the rough in the later stages of this draft.
RE: RE: 4-5-6  
Earl the goat : 4/30/2016 8:45 am : link
In comment 12935781 emobj999 said:
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In comment 12935772 Earl the goat said:


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Charone Peak
Rashard Robinson
Keith Marshall or Alex Collins

Dude what the F--K are you talking about. The team is high on Hart. Are you following this team

WR and Secondary set for years

Bobby Hart at RG and go get Anthony Davis if possible




Dude, Bobby Hart is not playing RG. Are you following this team at all?
Thanks Sy  
johnnyb : 4/30/2016 9:02 am : link
I enjoy your work. One question: don't we have a few WR "projects" on the roster already? Why add more?
RE: Chances are, and I hope I am wrong  
UberAlias : 4/30/2016 9:03 am : link
In comment 12935820 The_Boss said:
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But anyone we draft today will be depth or development. Unfortunately, it looks like we're going to have to endure the inconsistencies of Marshall Newhouse and John Jerry/Bobby Hart on the right side of the OL, unless this FO can uncover a diamond in the rough in the later stages of this draft.


Think of it this way, they had too many needs and were going to have to endure something somewhere. I'm less concerned with what they weren't able to solve than I am hopeful they have legitimate answers for what they did try to address. IMO, it is not about a completed product, because that simply is not happening. But hopefully they got some major pieces that will prove to be core components for the long haul and things are moving in the right direction. The next years shopping list can be more focused.
Sy  
Bill2 : 4/30/2016 9:21 am : link
Great contributions to us all
Sy  
KarenP : 4/30/2016 9:38 am : link
Thanks for all your work. I really appreciate and enjoy your insights. As a Stanford alumni, I do have to call out associating Aaron Hernandez with the Cardinal!!
I  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:41 am : link
would be very happy with those picks. Well done.
@ Sy  
YahBoo33 : 4/30/2016 9:48 am : link
Good stuff and thanks for sharing as always.

I was looking at Goodson's prospect review (@nfl) yesterday and he seems to be a hard working leader, however, their reviewer (Zierlein) mentions "...stiffness leads to athletic limitations in space. Lumbering pursuit speed...could be in trouble when matched up in space..." You mentioned above; space is where he would "thrive".
In no way am I questioning your scouting (you got skills), it is just interesting to read such a difference in opinion.

Would you suggest some games I may want take a look at?
RE: Thanks Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 12935866 johnnyb said:
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I enjoy your work. One question: don't we have a few WR "projects" on the roster already? Why add more?


I think the upside of the backup WRs on NYG is very limited.
THANKS SY for setting the table for the day  
GMen23 : 4/30/2016 10:03 am : link
Sure like your take on Gibson, and would be real happy if they continue to address their lack of playmakers at WR or a RB
RE: Thanks Sy  
baadbill : 4/30/2016 10:13 am : link
In comment 12935866 johnnyb said:
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I enjoy your work. One question: don't we have a few WR "projects" on the roster already? Why add more?


Because if Cruz isnt what he once was, Charone Peak probably becomes the #3 WR by opening day (and in the Giants offense, the #3 WR is a starter and on the field for the majority of offensive snaps). I think the Giants desperately need that 3rd WR (unless magically Cruz is everything he was before which, being a Giants' fan, I know in my heart just won't be the case).

If he's not - then there's NOBODY at #3 - they are missing a starter - and the impact on Beckham is too great. Beckham IS the Giants offense and they need to surround him with talent so we get to see the real deal, not someone whose impact is diminished because there are so few threats that teams are free to triple him and force the Giants to beat them with their non-existent 3rd WR.
Is Peake a guy  
bigbluehoya : 4/30/2016 10:16 am : link
With off-the-field issues? Thought I remembered hearing that.
Thanks, Sy!  
BurlyMan : 4/30/2016 10:45 am : link
Please keep doing what you do.
RE: @ Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 11:37 am : link
In comment 12935952 YahBoo33 said:
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Good stuff and thanks for sharing as always.

I was looking at Goodson's prospect review (@nfl) yesterday and he seems to be a hard working leader, however, their reviewer (Zierlein) mentions "...stiffness leads to athletic limitations in space. Lumbering pursuit speed...could be in trouble when matched up in space..." You mentioned above; space is where he would "thrive".
In no way am I questioning your scouting (you got skills), it is just interesting to read such a difference in opinion.

Would you suggest some games I may want take a look at?


Not sure what his watching Goodson makes plays all over the field. He is always around the ball. He tested out VERY well at the combine.

He had an outstanding national championship game

RE: Is Peake a guy  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 12936002 bigbluehoya said:
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With off-the-field issues? Thought I remembered hearing that.


No. Torn ACL in 2013.

Sy - what do you think of drafting Jeremy Cash (& playing him at LB)?  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2016 11:47 am : link
his 7 FF, 30 TFL, and 5.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons are as productive as just about any LB in this draft and he's only about 10 pounds behind some of the other athletic WLB's already off the board. Long arms, attacks the LOS, smart, tough - I think day 1 he'd be in the nickel package and long term he could grow into a really interesting player.
Excellent stuff  
Jay in Toronto : 4/30/2016 11:49 am : link
As usual. Thank you!

I wonder if there is less urgency re OL cause of the new coach. Perhaps there is a feeling he can get more out of what we already have?
RE: Sy - what do you think of drafting Jeremy Cash (& playing him at LB)?  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 12936185 Eric on Li said:
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his 7 FF, 30 TFL, and 5.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons are as productive as just about any LB in this draft and he's only about 10 pounds behind some of the other athletic WLB's already off the board. Long arms, attacks the LOS, smart, tough - I think day 1 he'd be in the nickel package and long term he could grow into a really interesting player.


Eh. I think he is too small. Cash would be a cheaper version of Landon Collins.
Amazing stuff  
Fish : 4/30/2016 11:54 am : link
I am the exact opposite of you when it comes to these players. I know nothing. But after reading I am well educated. Thanks.
Thanks Sy  
est1986 : 4/30/2016 12:06 pm : link
I will be happy with
Listenbee
Perry
McGovern
Dixon
Billings
Peake
Goodson
Sy Slams it again!  
GMen23 : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
Yes!
Wow Sy  
Aloha Alan : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
Reese is listening to you!!!
Really impressive analysis Sy  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
!!!!
RE: RE: @ Sy  
YahBoo33 : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12936165 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 12935952 YahBoo33 said:


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Good stuff and thanks for sharing as always.

I was looking at Goodson's prospect review (@nfl) yesterday and he seems to be a hard working leader, however, their reviewer (Zierlein) mentions "...stiffness leads to athletic limitations in space. Lumbering pursuit speed...could be in trouble when matched up in space..." You mentioned above; space is where he would "thrive".
In no way am I questioning your scouting (you got skills), it is just interesting to read such a difference in opinion.

Would you suggest some games I may want take a look at?



Not sure what his watching Goodson makes plays all over the field. He is always around the ball. He tested out VERY well at the combine.

He had an outstanding national championship game


Thanks and let me say, Nice Call man!
You got the eye.
Much respect.
Reese will smugly draft a QB  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:55 pm : link
and tell us it was a Value pick
smile
Sy...  
Ed A. : 4/30/2016 1:56 pm : link
you nailed it again. Great job. Always look forward to your posts.
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