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New York Giants 4th Round Pick: LB B.J. Goodson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm
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Sy's  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
guy
Great  
Mr. Nickels : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
pick
Sy just fucking SLAYING  
bigbluehoya : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
Do work, son!
I like the pick  
bigblue12 : 4/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
Was Brothers still on the board?
Very good pick  
sjnyfan : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
One of my targets for this rd.
Did Jerry Reese read Sy's draft guide this year?  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
Sy thought he was a stud and I think he's better than a 4th round player. Solid MLB for the future barring injury
Sy  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
got his guy
Yes!  
Lionhart28 : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
Top guy on my board and SY nails it! Love this kid.
Great  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2016 12:41 pm : link
Like him
Welcome BJ!  
Deej : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
Hope you renew the once-proud Giants LB tradition
Very happy  
Giantfootball025 : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
with that pick. He should be able to start day 1 at WILL. I hope.
Quotes from Mayock  
Anando : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
"quick, tough, explosive

good pick, especially in the 4th round

dabo said he will be a 10-year nfl player"
Wow  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
Sy called this one -- good job Sy!!!!
Happy to trust Sy and the Giants staff  
SirYesSir : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
on this one, would love to have a guy in the middle we can trust.

Must confess, after reading Sy's breakdown i went to watch clips, and he did not jump out to me...did not look sudden, but what the hell do I know

welcome aboard
Sy  
Emil : 4/30/2016 12:42 pm : link
Just a phenomenal job this year.

You are in Reese's head!
Sy 56  
est1986 : 4/30/2016 12:43 pm : link
Does it again! Love the pick now
Good  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 12:43 pm : link
job Sy.
Sy!  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2016 12:43 pm : link
Grab a couple of lineman and I will be happy
Sy'56  
TyFromQueens : 4/30/2016 12:43 pm : link
Is half man/half amazing!

Once again ESPN  
Mike Graves : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
Goes to commercial when the Giants are on the clock
I'll repeat  
Jay in Toronto : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
Sy, who are you, really?
Sy's reporet  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link

Now we come to the spot where I am almost sure NYG will be looking with one their 3 picks today, LB. It's been the Jerry Reese way to try and piece together that second level with middle tier FAs and late draft picks. There is a name that sits atop my board right now...that would be the ideal fit for their weak side LB. BJ Goodson - Clemson. I called him a 100+ tackle guy year in, year out a few months ago and I still feel that way. I'm not as confident he can thrive in the MIKE role, but on the weak side where he has some more open space to deal with, I think he can be a big time presence right away. NYG needs to get this kid on their team and I bet they can't keep him out of the starting lineup by mid-season.
Rated higher than Ragland  
Curtis in VA : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
by Sy. Wow, I like it.
report  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
too excited
Another kudos to Sy on this  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/30/2016 12:44 pm : link
He was Sy's 3rd best LB ahead of Ragland and right after Floyd.
Taken as a whole  
bigbluehoya : 4/30/2016 12:45 pm : link
It's looking like a haul of a draft class. Only time can tell.
McShay loves the pick  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 12:45 pm : link
very instinctive and had a monster game against ND last year in the monsoon. Could wear the headset and has high football intelligence. Speed is a concern. Has a lot of Antonio Pierce in him
wow, killing it this year,  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 12:45 pm : link
super
Nice Pick  
Bluesbreaker : 4/30/2016 12:45 pm : link
The guy is all over the place great Hustle..
Nothing but effusive praise by the NFL Network AND ESPN  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/30/2016 12:46 pm : link
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30 reps on the BP and a 7.05 3-Cone  
TC : 4/30/2016 12:46 pm : link
"Strengths Team captain and leader on that side of the ball. Surprising production as a one-year starter. Stocky with a muscular build to withstand the rigors inside. Brings a thumper's mentality to the field. Uses potent punch-and-shed technique full of leverage and power to attack second level blockers. Took it to Notre Dame’s Nick Martin. Willing to sacrifice body to disrupt blocking and play flow. Plays with base and balance and able to slide under blocks to work into tackles. Has play strength to challenge turn-out blocks and leverage his gap. Rarely cheated as a tackler."

NFL.Com - ( New Window )
They say he can play all 3 spots  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 12:46 pm : link
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Sy'56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:46 pm : link
had him as third best LB in Draft:

3 BJ GOODSON 61/242 CLEMSON: 79

Fifth year senior. Was a backup and special teamer for 2-plus years, with only one and half season of starting experience. Goodson is an interior enforcer that can play equally tough against blockers and ball carriers. His stoutness and short area power make him a tough assignment for any blocker and his ability to finish plays can be an asset to a defense looking for run defending help. Goodson lacks the ideal athleticism for every down duty, but he has shown to be at least competent in zone coverage and has enough range to play at least two downs in the NFL.

*I saw a ton of Goodson in 2015 and #44 kept popping on to the screen. There were so many players on that defense that I was scouting and time after time Goodson was right in the middle of the action. After further review I almost had him as a 1st rounder. Goodson is thick but fast and quick-twitched. He has all the power you want and maintains it on the move. Goodson moves well enough in coverage to possibly stay on the field for three downs. He is smart and reliable, rarely misses tackles. I dont see superstar here and he can get overwhelmed in traffic, but Goodson is a guy that simply brings it play after play, week after week. I think he can be a 100+ tackle guy year in, year out.
Guess  
mushroom : 4/30/2016 12:46 pm : link
they really did make changes to the scouting department. Just couldn't announce it before the draft . Sy replaced Ross
RE: Once again ESPN  
Carson53 : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12936379 Mike Graves said:
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Goes to commercial when the Giants are on the clock


Ever hear of the NFLN?
I freaking love this pick  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
LOVE
3 down backer  
Canton : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
This guy can actually be the first lb starter, the Giants field the next 5 plus seasons, in years..

Love his instincts and motor
Excellent selection  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
Goodson will be starting before the year is over.
RE: Once again ESPN  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12936379 Mike Graves said:
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Goes to commercial when the Giants are on the clock

Noticed that shit too,, fuck BSPN
I like it  
JohnVB : 4/30/2016 12:47 pm : link
Good player from a big time program. Good athleticism. Opportunity to impact at a position of need.
Solid pick  
Mike53 : 4/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
Guy is a worker. Non stop player
Watching Youtube  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
He's lining up all over the place. Some great hits. Should be a solid backup at a minimum.
I am just psyched by this pick  
MadPlaid : 4/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
Welcome the Giants, Mr. Goodson
He killed it against ND  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
and in the Orange bowl

trade for Davis and I'm good
RE: Excellent selection  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12936403 Sy'56 said:
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Goodson will be starting before the year is over.

What do you think is his best spot?
RE: Watching Youtube  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 12936408 AP in Halfmoon said:
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He's lining up all over the place. Some great hits. Should be a solid backup at a minimum.


He'll be the sub nickle MLB very quickly and the starter this season
RE: RE: Excellent selection  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 12936411 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12936403 Sy'56 said:


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Goodson will be starting before the year is over.


What do you think is his best spot?


Weak side
A great pick  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2016 12:49 pm : link
I'll elaborate soon.
Sy'56...  
M.S. : 4/30/2016 12:49 pm : link

...are you really Jerry Reese? I've never seen you before. How do I know you're not Jerry Reese?
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Now we come to the spot where I am almost sure NYG will be looking with one their 3 picks today, LB. It's been the Jerry Reese way to try and piece together that second level with middle tier FAs and late draft picks. There is a name that sits atop my board right now...that would be the ideal fit for their weak side LB. BJ Goodson - Clemson. I called him a 100+ tackle guy year in, year out a few months ago and I still feel that way. I'm not as confident he can thrive in the MIKE role, but on the weak side where he has some more open space to deal with, I think he can be a big time presence right away. NYG needs to get this kid on their team and I bet they can't keep him out of the starting lineup by mid-season.
RE: RE: Excellent selection  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 12936411 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12936403 Sy'56 said:


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Goodson will be starting before the year is over.


What do you think is his best spot?


He said the WILL
RE: Sy'56  
Carson53 : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12936396 Eric from BBI said:
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had him as third best LB in Draft:

3 BJ GOODSON 61/242 CLEMSON: 79

Fifth year senior. Was a backup and special teamer for 2-plus years, with only one and half season of starting experience. Goodson is an interior enforcer that can play equally tough against blockers and ball carriers. His stoutness and short area power make him a tough assignment for any blocker and his ability to finish plays can be an asset to a defense looking for run defending help. Goodson lacks the ideal athleticism for every down duty, but he has shown to be at least competent in zone coverage and has enough range to play at least two downs in the NFL.

*I saw a ton of Goodson in 2015 and #44 kept popping on to the screen. There were so many players on that defense that I was scouting and time after time Goodson was right in the middle of the action. After further review I almost had him as a 1st rounder. Goodson is thick but fast and quick-twitched. He has all the power you want and maintains it on the move. Goodson moves well enough in coverage to possibly stay on the field for three downs. He is smart and reliable, rarely misses tackles. I dont see superstar here and he can get overwhelmed in traffic, but Goodson is a guy that simply brings it play after play, week after week. I think he can be a 100+ tackle guy year in, year out.


Just hope he is not a Phillip Dillard in the 4th Rd.
It's not like JR has had much success drafting at that
position, to be honest.
Boy, Spags is going to have a lot of new toys to play with!  
TC : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
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Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Canton : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
Who've some, already annoited into canton?
Apparently  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
he dominated Nick Martin. 7.05 3 cone and 30 reps. Great work Jerry.
RE: RE: RE: Excellent selection  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12936416 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12936403 Sy'56 said:


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Goodson will be starting before the year is over.


What do you think is his best spot?



He said the WILL

Good. That's what we need the most.
Good pick  
wrecking crew : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
I liked brothers better but i am happy with this pick. I was right about one thing in my mock. The giants would not draft OL early. People trashed my mock because of that.

The last two picks i hope they take TE,OL.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 59s59 seconds ago Manhattan, NY

B.J. Goodson says he visited with the Giants and came away thinking "I definitely wanted to be there.''
Can he cover the TE?  
RobCarpenter : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
Also, 19 tackles in the Orange Bowl, wow.
Walterfootball live grade  
KevinBBWC : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
New York Giants: B.J. Goodson, LB, Clemson B+ Grade
B.J. Goodson had a ton of buzz in the lead-up to the 2016 NFL Draft, taking tons of meetings. This is the right spot for him though, and it's hardly a surprise that the Giants chose a linebacker, as they have one of the worst situations at the position in the NFL. A solid tackler, Goodson should be able to compete for a starting job right away.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades4.php#E4mTIlWFXYDieZZo.99
So the defense could look like this  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid
He's an ILB  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
he's perfect there
RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12936422 Canton said:
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Who've some, already annoited into canton?


Aguayo was taken in the second by TB. They traded up to get him.
LOVE THIS KID  
BleedBlue : 4/30/2016 12:51 pm : link
he can play all three linebacker spots including nickel and dime backer if needed. solid speed very good vert for his size. very happy with this pick he is exactly who i wanted...maybe the giants finally hit on a mid-klate round LBer....

also with any OL help in first four rounds i cannot help but think the giants feel they can get davis in a trade or sign a free agent and go with what they have...

i want judon in round 5
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 32s32 seconds ago

B.J. Goodson says of being at #Giants facility for a pre-draft visit: "A legendary place, man."
JPP was doing something with the 4th round pick annoucement  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
I think with a Make a Wish kids. NFL had a network issue and did not show it. Is the announcement available online?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 49s50 seconds ago

BJ Goodson is listed as an OLB. Says he can play inside as well. "I'm ready to get with the veterans and learn as much as I can."
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 30s30 seconds ago

BJ Goodson says Giants special teams coach Tom Quinn "really really liked me a lot."
a linebacker  
area junc : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
who takes on blockers. that is spags. not sure how or why j.t.thomas was ever signed
I do love  
David B. : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
a good BJ.
RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12936422 Canton said:
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Who've some, already annoited into canton?

Yes he went to Tampa in the 2nd round.
RE: So the defense could look like this  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12936429 dpinzow said:
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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid

Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.
Sy's guy  
Mark from Jersey : 4/30/2016 12:53 pm : link
Good MLB prospect for us.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 12:53 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 21s22 seconds ago

B.J. Goodson raving about his meeting with #Giants LB coach Bill McGovern.
Louis Riddick said Goodson is the pick that stands out  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/30/2016 12:53 pm : link
in the 4th round.
RE: RE: So the defense could look like this  
BleedBlue : 4/30/2016 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12936442 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12936429 dpinzow said:


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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid


Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.



goodson will start at WILL and robinson will play MIKE
RE: RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Canton : 4/30/2016 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12936432 AcidTest said:
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In comment 12936422 Canton said:


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Who've some, already annoited into canton?



Aguayo was taken in the second by TB. They traded up to get him.


Thank you Acid

RE: RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12936432 AcidTest said:
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In comment 12936422 Canton said:


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Who've some, already annoited into canton?



Aguayo was taken in the second by TB. They traded up to get him.

I love failed call out comments.
interesting to hear  
area junc : 4/30/2016 12:55 pm : link
RE: linebacker coach. did hermann ever get anything done? seemed like a good guy but kind of a goofball
Wow Sy  
giantgiantfan : 4/30/2016 12:56 pm : link
had him listed as his #3 linebacker. He's listed as an OLB on nfl.com, but this guy seems more like a SAM or LB based on his size and movement.
jerry is earning his keep this year  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 12:56 pm : link
just nailing it,


still, lots of back story to hear about, but, CB/LB/FS, damn
and the possible slot wr, super.
Youtube  
TC : 4/30/2016 12:57 pm : link
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Youtube - ( New Window )
Great job Sy  
ij_reilly : 4/30/2016 12:58 pm : link
Once again, thank you.
Could very well be our next Michael Barrow  
Canton : 4/30/2016 12:58 pm : link
The young man is a tackling machine.
RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2016 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12936422 Canton said:
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Who've some, already annoited into canton?


Didn't Tampa or some team trade down and get a kicker in the third round?
Anyone have some tape from the ND game?  
Canton : 4/30/2016 1:01 pm : link
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BleedBLue  
Mark from Jersey : 4/30/2016 1:02 pm : link
I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.
RE: Could very well be our next Michael Barrow  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12936460 Canton said:
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The young man is a tackling machine.


Actually reminds me a great deal of Pierce more than Barrow
RE: BleedBLue  
BleedBlue : 4/30/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12936468 Mark from Jersey said:
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I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.


good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...

goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better
Kicker went in 2nd round  
NNJ Tom : 4/30/2016 1:03 pm : link
Giants pick could be the best value pick yet.
The LB position  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 1:04 pm : link
is looking much better this year with Kennard, Robinson, Goodson, Brinkley, Thomas, Casillas, Shephard. It is not looking good for Herzlich. Thomas would probably be on the chopping block if he wasn't such a big presence in the locker room.
I don't get BBI  
RobCarpenter : 4/30/2016 1:05 pm : link
Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.

Offensive Line.  
chiefmps : 4/30/2016 1:05 pm : link
What are the Giants waiting for? The Giants need a right guard and right tackle and some depth. When are the Giants going to address their need on the offensive line?
RE: RE: BleedBLue  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12936471 BleedBlue said:
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I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.



good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...

goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better


Goodson projects to be a MLB in the NFL more so than an outside LB
Sy you said he could play will  
Mike B from JC : 4/30/2016 1:06 pm : link
No? If he can it will be kennard, Robinson, goodson by midseason. Put Thomas on the pine.
RE: RE: Anyone pick that kicker yet?  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2016 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12936463 Jerry's Kids said:
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Who've some, already annoited into canton?



Didn't Tampa or some team trade down and get a kicker in the third round?

Tampa traded up in the 2nd to get him.
Kudos Sy - Apple, Sheppard and now Goodson  
Mason : 4/30/2016 1:06 pm : link
Looks like they got you scouting for them. Ha.

As soon as I saw the pick I thought about your report. BBI can really rock sometimes and make the lead up worth it.
RE: RE: RE: BleedBLue  
BleedBlue : 4/30/2016 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12936477 dpinzow said:
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I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.



good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...

goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better



Goodson projects to be a MLB in the NFL more so than an outside LB


mmmmm i disagree. he is very good in space, i think he is a better WILL than MIKE
RE: I don't get BBI  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12936475 RobCarpenter said:
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Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.


After reports that Apple was going to go at 11 or 13, I think people calmed down a bit about Apple. The thing is he's not a ready-made NFL player yet which is what you want when you're picking in the top 10. That being said Apple has the physical tools to be an exceptional corner, a top 5 NFL corner
LB's  
SLIM_ : 4/30/2016 1:07 pm : link
No stars but some decent depth. We shouldn't be starting a 28 year old undersized rookie this year.
I'm just saying  
Saos1n : 4/30/2016 1:08 pm : link
I've never seen, nor heard, Jerry Reese and Sy at the same time...

Not once.............
Thanks again Sy  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 1:08 pm : link
I love this kid too.
Wow - ( New Window )
I watched this kid play!  
weston44 : 4/30/2016 1:08 pm : link
Hey Paulie, I live in SC and watched this kid play, he called the defense and most important he hits a freight train and wraps up also can move fast enough to stay with a tight end.
RE: RE: RE: RE: BleedBLue  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12936482 BleedBlue said:
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I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.



good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...

goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better



Goodson projects to be a MLB in the NFL more so than an outside LB



mmmmm i disagree. he is very good in space, i think he is a better WILL than MIKE


He's not a burner at LB so his best position is in the middle. He was also a team captain and defensive leader so it would make sense for him to be in the middle wearing the headset if he wins the job
Pierce  
RAIN : 4/30/2016 1:10 pm : link
ran a 4.9.

Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.

My father in-law  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2016 1:11 pm : link
Was BJs high school football coach. So her entire side of the family knows him pretty well... So we've watched him for years.

He was the best player on that Clemson defense. High motor. Ball hawk. He seems to always be around the ball.

Very high character guy. Smart and an extremely hard worker.

We got a really good player in the 4th round.
RE: RE: RE: So the defense could look like this  
Carson53 : 4/30/2016 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12936446 BleedBlue said:
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How about they get to training camp first huh, I mean geez.
People shouldn't try to predict who will play where or how soon on draft weekend. It is kind of a fruitless exercise.


JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid


Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.




goodson will start at WILL and robinson will play MIKE
RE: Pierce  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12936491 RAIN said:
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ran a 4.9.

Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.


I'd still put him in the middle so he can be that sideline to sideline LB
RE: RE: So the defense could look like this  
yatqb : 4/30/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12936442 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12936429 dpinzow said:


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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid


Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.


+1.
Had a top 3 cone and top bench at the combine  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2016 1:13 pm : link
Looks like a more athletic version of Jon Goff. Comments from twitter from his interviews sound like he's got a good head on his shoulders. Very solid pick and nice skill set to add to our current group of LB's. I don't know that any of our LB's have star potential (Goodson included) but there's a nice mix of athleticism (Robinson, Casillas), pass rush (Kennard, Thomas), physicality (Goodson, Brinkley) and uselessness (Herzlich).
RE: Sy you said he could play will  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12936478 Mike B from JC said:
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No? If he can it will be kennard, Robinson, goodson by midseason. Put Thomas on the pine.


Yes I think by the end of the year it is Goodson/Robinson/Kennard barring injury
RE: RE: I don't get BBI  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12936483 dpinzow said:
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In comment 12936475 RobCarpenter said:


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Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.




After reports that Apple was going to go at 11 or 13, I think people calmed down a bit about Apple. The thing is he's not a ready-made NFL player yet which is what you want when you're picking in the top 10. That being said Apple has the physical tools to be an exceptional corner, a top 5 NFL corner


I think that's overstated. He's a man/press corner. In that sense he is ready made. If you're gonna ask him to play off coverages and play a lot of zone concepts, then yes he will struggle. But he can certainly play this year. He's not a project.
did anyone draft LB matekavich yet?  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 1:15 pm : link
huh
Goodson made 115 tackles last year  
dpinzow : 4/30/2016 1:15 pm : link
missed only 7. VERY sure tackler
Per pff  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2016 1:16 pm : link
BJ only missed 7 tackles last year. Credited with 119
So far  
JohnVB : 4/30/2016 1:17 pm : link
This draft could impact like the 07 draft (fingers crossed). All of the picks outside of Apple will compete for a starting spot and Apple will still see a lot of snaps.

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RicFlair : 4/30/2016 1:20 pm : link
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As to where he will play with the Giants, Goodson will likely be a core special teamer and will see work at both the middle and at the strong-side, where he is likely to challenge incumbent Mark Herzlich.

https://insidefootball.com/2016-draft/2016-york-giants-draft-review-4/ - ( New Window )
Well I woke up this morning and thought to myself...  
EricJ : 4/30/2016 1:21 pm : link
today would be a good day for a BJ

Hopefully he will be the first drafted LB (In a very long time) who can be a solid starter.
RE: Offensive Line.  
Carson53 : 4/30/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12936476 chiefmps said:
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What are the Giants waiting for? The Giants need a right guard and right tackle and some depth. When are the Giants going to address their need on the offensive line?


Too late now, get ready for some UDFA invited to camp.
They have drafted some at the back end of the draft in the
past here, none have succeeded. That's not a shocker either.
We're certainly drafting athletes this year.  
yatqb : 4/30/2016 1:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: Pierce  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2016 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12936501 dpinzow said:
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ran a 4.9.

Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.




I'd still put him in the middle so he can be that sideline to sideline LB


Sy says he would be better at Will, not Mike. That ends that discussion for me.
What does the B.J. stand for?  
Klaatu : 4/30/2016 1:28 pm : link
My mother's name was Bea. My father's name was Jay. They named me Bea...Jay.
RE: We're certainly drafting athletes this year.  
Canton : 4/30/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12936541 yatqb said:
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And another theme for this year..

Captains
very  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 1:30 pm : link
good write-up on him here... with gifs showing his play...
2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Clemson LB B.J. Goodson - ( New Window )
RE: very  
Carson53 : 4/30/2016 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12936558 Eric from BBI said:
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good write-up on him here... with gifs showing his play... 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Clemson LB B.J. Goodson - ( New Window )


C'mon Eric, that's a 15 yard facemask GIF, LOL.
Just busting you man.
Long arms for 6-1.  
Klaatu : 4/30/2016 1:35 pm : link
Could be another theme.
Thanks sy  
Mike B from JC : 4/30/2016 1:36 pm : link
I love this pick. To me it's a very good draft. The defense is going to be much better. Wr could be electric. Looking forward to this upcoming season.
Very, very happy with this draft  
Greg from LI : 4/30/2016 1:37 pm : link
Fantastic picks at 2 and 4, a very high upside guy at 1. Thompson, I don't know much about, but he does fill a need.
RE: very  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12936558 Eric from BBI said:
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good write-up on him here... with gifs showing his play... 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Clemson LB B.J. Goodson - ( New Window )


Thanks. Hes an explosive, smart, thumper with some ability to drop in coverage, but limited sideline to sideline speed. Everybody has warts at this point in the draft. He seems to have fewer than most. He also has some great attributes.
RE: I don't get BBI  
jeff57 : 4/30/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12936475 RobCarpenter said:
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Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.

You mean a GM can't make bad picks and good picks in the same draft?
RE: very  
Canton : 4/30/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12936558 Eric from BBI said:
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good write-up on him here... with gifs showing his play... 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Clemson LB B.J. Goodson - ( New Window )


Excellent analysis from that article Eric, thanks.
RE: What does the B.J. stand for?  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12936555 Klaatu said:
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My mother's name was Bea. My father's name was Jay. They named me Bea...Jay.


Nice M*A*S*H reference.
I honestly don't know a ton about him. From the little I've read  
Matt M. : 4/30/2016 1:50 pm : link
I am cautiously optimistic. He is a physical LB who likely can crack the starting lineup right away. From that perspective, it is hard to complain about the pick.

My worries are about his perceived weaknesses. His weaknesses seem to mirror the overall weaknesses of our LB unit over the last few years. He is not fast, he is not very good in coverage or sealing the edge, and is not great in space. From that perspective, I wonder why not take another LB. Can someone more familiar with him comment on this?
Matt M.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 1:55 pm : link
So you wanted the big, physical, tough, awesome run defender who also runs like a deer in the 4th round?
CBS Sports provides a look  
mrvax : 4/30/2016 1:56 pm : link
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Lonk - ( New Window )
RE: Matt M.  
Klaatu : 4/30/2016 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12936620 Eric from BBI said:
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So you wanted the big, physical, tough, awesome run defender who also runs like a deer in the 4th round?


Not to mention Team Captain, Rhodes Scholar, and James Beard Award Winner (you know, to mentor Apple).
RE: RE: So the defense could look like this  
micky : 4/30/2016 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12936442 jeff57 said:
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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4

Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB

DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner

Collins, Darian Thompson at safety

We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid


Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.


be careful penciling the kid in right away. Hopefully he'll learn enough by late season to be ther (aside from injuries to others) , but ST's at first
RE: Matt M.  
Matt M. : 4/30/2016 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12936620 Eric from BBI said:
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So you wanted the big, physical, tough, awesome run defender who also runs like a deer in the 4th round?
No. I like the physicality to set a better attitude for this D. But, overall, I would rather have a fast LB who plays well in space and coverage, which is what we've been sorely lacking for a number of years. I don't expect both in the 4th round. I would just place more value on the speed given how this defense has played and is still made up.

Not a bad pick and I'm not complaining. I was hoping more that someone more familiar with him could comment on how serious his weaknesses are. He is also the 2nd player picked who is described as "grabby" in his technique in coverage. That opens us up to a lot of penalties.
one thing about matekavich  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 2:01 pm : link
LB, is that he had 5 INTS which is a big number for a LB, see the darian logic, interesting to see where he goes and how he plays , wonder if we can get him in 5th.
Would be pretty funny if Goodson ends up  
Mr. Bungle : 4/30/2016 2:05 pm : link
a better pure linebacker than Floyd.
I think you guys need to watch this guy  
ghost718 : 4/30/2016 2:15 pm : link
All Reese picks require a YouTube search

This is more about how he tested
agreed, the goodson video is really not that great  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2016 2:16 pm : link
the matekavich 5 INTs that was on the year, not career.
RE: Would be pretty funny if Goodson ends up  
Matt M. : 4/30/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12936650 Mr. Bungle said:
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a better pure linebacker than Floyd.
Not funny or ironic or anything else. This happens often in the draft. Floyd is an outstanding athlete, but has his own warts that are related to his physical makeup. He may not live up to his ceiling as a result. I still wouldn't have complained if they picked him because the expectation is that he will be a dynamic player. However, I think they have made 4 solid picks, including Goodson.
Mr. Bungle  
HugeS : 4/30/2016 2:17 pm : link
That would not be a shocker at all. Goodson looks like a complete backer. Floyd is all projection at this point.
I didn't want Floyd.  
Klaatu : 4/30/2016 2:19 pm : link
But I think he'll do very well in Chicago with Fangio, used primarily as a 3-4 rush OLB.
RE: RE: Once again ESPN  
Mike Graves : 4/30/2016 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12936398 Carson53 said:
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Goes to commercial when the Giants are on the clock



Ever hear of the NFLN?


No I haven't what is that smh
i like the player  
msh : 4/30/2016 3:59 pm : link
i think he is a good solid LB better than some they already had on the roster but he is completely ignoring the gaping hole on the right side of the OL they have a few guys who project to push jerry into backup at RG but they have nothing other than newhouse who is awful and no depth outside of that OT incase of injury

thier were better options on the board like hawkins and billings its the reason they just spent big money in FA at DT because they overlook guys like these for a 2 down run stopping LB that is a poor cover guy the LB has some options there but OT doesnt and they could also do with some depth at DT and billings would have been a better use of the pick here

unless they believe goodson is better against the pass than people think in which case i would defer to the coaches but every year or two they fill the middle rounds with these kind of picks and the failure rate has been way too high it just seams like he is another middle round LB that will have limited spot duty on running downs and be the same liability in coverage that lets TE's and RB pass catching continue to gouge them for bigger gains than they should

they need an OT either in the last couple of picks or a FA or cut down and we really need another snee and mckenzie not another jerry or newhouse can see them needing to go OT again early next year since they passed on it now they need a dominating RT to get the fire going under that running game which they just dont seam to see what we see?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 4:17 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 55s56 seconds ago

"B.J. Goodson can play any of the linebacker positions." - Jerry Reese

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 46s47 seconds ago

LB B.J. Goodson is "a tackling machine," GM Jerry Reese said.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 4:28 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 28s29 seconds ago

"B.J. Goodson is a talented linebacker who can play all three spots." - Coach McAdoo
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 4:29 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 1m1 minute ago

Ben McAdoo thinks BJ Goodson is at his best at MLB. "He's smart, good instincts, good wrap tackler."
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 4:30 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 2m2 minutes ago

"Goodson is smart with good instincts. He's physical between the tackles." - Coach McAdoo
This is unusual.  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/30/2016 9:27 pm : link
McShay has Goodson ranked at 106 on his top 300 list.

Mel has him ranked at 107.

The Giants picked him at 109.

The trouble with getting excited on the third day is that, no matter how many nice things you read about the player you drafted, historically the odds are against the player developing into a solid starter.

Giants' 4th round picks:

2015 - none
2014 - Andre Williams
2013 - Ryan Nassib
2012 - Adrien Robinson, Brandon Mosley
2011 - James Brewer
2010 - Phillip Dillard
2009 - Andre Brown
2008 - Bryan Kehl
2007 - Zak DeOssie A keeper!

But it's mean to ruin the day for people, and I think that Jerry is due for a big draft and this may be it.

I brought up Jerell Adams in the third round. Mel had him as the number one tight end in the draft at 46, 8 ahead of Hunter Henry. For once I really hope that Mel was right.

BBI BJ Goodson Party  
nms24 : 4/30/2016 9:35 pm : link
I don't mean to shit on the Goodson party here, but I'm not sure this guy is as good as the current BBI hype after watching the Florida State draft breakdown. He looked bad in that game. He seemed slow in general, and was not able to shed any blocks, allowing big runs to Florida State.

I see the smarts and good QBing, but I don't think we got the miracle answer here some are hoping for.

Does he have better tape in a different game?
Goodson v Florida State 2015 - ( New Window )
It's hard to judge him as a run stopper from that film  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/30/2016 10:30 pm : link
because most of the plays were away from him. He made at least one good tackle and may have missed one.

The two times he lined up right over the line of scrimmage he got penetration and busted up one of the plays.

Not enough to judge.
Great pick this late in the Draft...  
Torrag : 4/30/2016 11:27 pm : link
...really looking forward to him stinging some people. He brings the pain.
Sy, if you're still reading,  
chopperhatch : 5/1/2016 12:01 am : link
I'm a little curious as to why you think he's best as a WILL. His attributes scream MIKE: Takes on blockers well, thumper,quick but not fast, studies the game relentlessly. As a WILL, you have to have speed to chase down plays, run with TEs and RBs.

Also the comparisons to Pierce are great and all, but Pierce was never a 7 second 3 cone. Lol
The reviews  
mrvax : 5/1/2016 6:14 am : link
on almost any player they drafted were solid. May have had a real nice little draft this year. No superstars but solid players. That's great.
RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/1/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 12937373 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants ‏@Giants 55s56 seconds ago

"B.J. Goodson can play any of the linebacker positions." - Jerry Reese


Based on what he now at that position, Goodson may have to play all three

at once...
Great pick!  
Section331 : 5/1/2016 12:33 pm : link
I wasn't sure Goodson would make it to the 4th, because this guy can play. A real thumper.
There's your MIKE prospect  
JonC : 5/1/2016 1:02 pm : link
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Goodson, Kennard and  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 1:11 pm : link
Collins down low would be nice.
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