Hey Paulie, I live in SC and watched this kid play, he called the defense and most important he hits a freight train and wraps up also can move fast enough to stay with a tight end.
I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.
good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...
goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better
Goodson projects to be a MLB in the NFL more so than an outside LB
mmmmm i disagree. he is very good in space, i think he is a better WILL than MIKE
He's not a burner at LB so his best position is in the middle. He was also a team captain and defensive leader so it would make sense for him to be in the middle wearing the headset if he wins the job
How about they get to training camp first huh, I mean geez.
People shouldn't try to predict who will play where or how soon on draft weekend. It is kind of a fruitless exercise.
JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4
Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB
DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner
Collins, Darian Thompson at safety
We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid
Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.
goodson will start at WILL and robinson will play MIKE
Looks like a more athletic version of Jon Goff. Comments from twitter from his interviews sound like he's got a good head on his shoulders. Very solid pick and nice skill set to add to our current group of LB's. I don't know that any of our LB's have star potential (Goodson included) but there's a nice mix of athleticism (Robinson, Casillas), pass rush (Kennard, Thomas), physicality (Goodson, Brinkley) and uselessness (Herzlich).
Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.
After reports that Apple was going to go at 11 or 13, I think people calmed down a bit about Apple. The thing is he's not a ready-made NFL player yet which is what you want when you're picking in the top 10. That being said Apple has the physical tools to be an exceptional corner, a top 5 NFL corner
I think that's overstated. He's a man/press corner. In that sense he is ready made. If you're gonna ask him to play off coverages and play a lot of zone concepts, then yes he will struggle. But he can certainly play this year. He's not a project.
This draft could impact like the 07 draft (fingers crossed). All of the picks outside of Apple will compete for a starting spot and Apple will still see a lot of snaps.
As to where he will play with the Giants, Goodson will likely be a core special teamer and will see work at both the middle and at the strong-side, where he is likely to challenge incumbent Mark Herzlich.
What are the Giants waiting for? The Giants need a right guard and right tackle and some depth. When are the Giants going to address their need on the offensive line?
Too late now, get ready for some UDFA invited to camp.
They have drafted some at the back end of the draft in the
past here, none have succeeded. That's not a shocker either.
good write-up on him here... with gifs showing his play... 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Clemson LB B.J. Goodson - ( New Window )
Thanks. Hes an explosive, smart, thumper with some ability to drop in coverage, but limited sideline to sideline speed. Everybody has warts at this point in the draft. He seems to have fewer than most. He also has some great attributes.
I am cautiously optimistic. He is a physical LB who likely can crack the starting lineup right away. From that perspective, it is hard to complain about the pick.
My worries are about his perceived weaknesses. His weaknesses seem to mirror the overall weaknesses of our LB unit over the last few years. He is not fast, he is not very good in coverage or sealing the edge, and is not great in space. From that perspective, I wonder why not take another LB. Can someone more familiar with him comment on this?
So you wanted the big, physical, tough, awesome run defender who also runs like a deer in the 4th round?
No. I like the physicality to set a better attitude for this D. But, overall, I would rather have a fast LB who plays well in space and coverage, which is what we've been sorely lacking for a number of years. I don't expect both in the 4th round. I would just place more value on the speed given how this defense has played and is still made up.
Not a bad pick and I'm not complaining. I was hoping more that someone more familiar with him could comment on how serious his weaknesses are. He is also the 2nd player picked who is described as "grabby" in his technique in coverage. That opens us up to a lot of penalties.
LB, is that he had 5 INTS which is a big number for a LB, see the darian logic, interesting to see where he goes and how he plays , wonder if we can get him in 5th.
Not funny or ironic or anything else. This happens often in the draft. Floyd is an outstanding athlete, but has his own warts that are related to his physical makeup. He may not live up to his ceiling as a result. I still wouldn't have complained if they picked him because the expectation is that he will be a dynamic player. However, I think they have made 4 solid picks, including Goodson.
i think he is a good solid LB better than some they already had on the roster but he is completely ignoring the gaping hole on the right side of the OL they have a few guys who project to push jerry into backup at RG but they have nothing other than newhouse who is awful and no depth outside of that OT incase of injury
thier were better options on the board like hawkins and billings its the reason they just spent big money in FA at DT because they overlook guys like these for a 2 down run stopping LB that is a poor cover guy the LB has some options there but OT doesnt and they could also do with some depth at DT and billings would have been a better use of the pick here
unless they believe goodson is better against the pass than people think in which case i would defer to the coaches but every year or two they fill the middle rounds with these kind of picks and the failure rate has been way too high it just seams like he is another middle round LB that will have limited spot duty on running downs and be the same liability in coverage that lets TE's and RB pass catching continue to gouge them for bigger gains than they should
they need an OT either in the last couple of picks or a FA or cut down and we really need another snee and mckenzie not another jerry or newhouse can see them needing to go OT again early next year since they passed on it now they need a dominating RT to get the fire going under that running game which they just dont seam to see what we see?
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I keep forgetting we Got Robinson. Hope he can stay healthy.
good news is if he doesnt stay healthy, goodson can play some MIKE and JT thomas can play WILL...
goodson is a GREAT pick very versatile in a pinch. makes our LBer group much better
Goodson projects to be a MLB in the NFL more so than an outside LB
mmmmm i disagree. he is very good in space, i think he is a better WILL than MIKE
He's not a burner at LB so his best position is in the middle. He was also a team captain and defensive leader so it would make sense for him to be in the middle wearing the headset if he wins the job
Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.
He was the best player on that Clemson defense. High motor. Ball hawk. He seems to always be around the ball.
Very high character guy. Smart and an extremely hard worker.
We got a really good player in the 4th round.
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How about they get to training camp first huh, I mean geez.
People shouldn't try to predict who will play where or how soon on draft weekend. It is kind of a fruitless exercise.
JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4
Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB
DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner
Collins, Darian Thompson at safety
We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid
Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.
goodson will start at WILL and robinson will play MIKE
Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.
I'd still put him in the middle so he can be that sideline to sideline LB
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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4
Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB
DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner
Collins, Darian Thompson at safety
We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid
Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.
+1.
Yes I think by the end of the year it is Goodson/Robinson/Kennard barring injury
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Seemed like consensus was to toss Reese after he picked Apple? And now he's killing it? This place is so fickle.
After reports that Apple was going to go at 11 or 13, I think people calmed down a bit about Apple. The thing is he's not a ready-made NFL player yet which is what you want when you're picking in the top 10. That being said Apple has the physical tools to be an exceptional corner, a top 5 NFL corner
I think that's overstated. He's a man/press corner. In that sense he is ready made. If you're gonna ask him to play off coverages and play a lot of zone concepts, then yes he will struggle. But he can certainly play this year. He's not a project.
https://insidefootball.com/2016-draft/2016-york-giants-draft-review-4/ - ( New Window )
Hopefully he will be the first drafted LB (In a very long time) who can be a solid starter.
Too late now, get ready for some UDFA invited to camp.
They have drafted some at the back end of the draft in the
past here, none have succeeded. That's not a shocker either.
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Goodson runs a 4.70. He's not as limited as the publications suggest with regard to range.
I'd still put him in the middle so he can be that sideline to sideline LB
Sy says he would be better at Will, not Mike. That ends that discussion for me.
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C'mon Eric, that's a 15 yard facemask GIF, LOL.
Just busting you man.
Thanks. Hes an explosive, smart, thumper with some ability to drop in coverage, but limited sideline to sideline speed. Everybody has warts at this point in the draft. He seems to have fewer than most. He also has some great attributes.
You mean a GM can't make bad picks and good picks in the same draft?
Excellent analysis from that article Eric, thanks.
Nice M*A*S*H reference.
My worries are about his perceived weaknesses. His weaknesses seem to mirror the overall weaknesses of our LB unit over the last few years. He is not fast, he is not very good in coverage or sealing the edge, and is not great in space. From that perspective, I wonder why not take another LB. Can someone more familiar with him comment on this?
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Not to mention Team Captain, Rhodes Scholar, and James Beard Award Winner (you know, to mentor Apple).
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JPP, Snacks, Hank and Vernon as the front 4
Kennard, Goodson and JT Thomas at LB
DRC, Jenkins, Apple at corner
Collins, Darian Thompson at safety
We still need another OLB but that's starting to look really solid
Kennard, Robinson, Goodson.
be careful penciling the kid in right away. Hopefully he'll learn enough by late season to be ther (aside from injuries to others) , but ST's at first
Not a bad pick and I'm not complaining. I was hoping more that someone more familiar with him could comment on how serious his weaknesses are. He is also the 2nd player picked who is described as "grabby" in his technique in coverage. That opens us up to a lot of penalties.
This is more about how he tested
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Ever hear of the NFLN?
No I haven't what is that smh
thier were better options on the board like hawkins and billings its the reason they just spent big money in FA at DT because they overlook guys like these for a 2 down run stopping LB that is a poor cover guy the LB has some options there but OT doesnt and they could also do with some depth at DT and billings would have been a better use of the pick here
unless they believe goodson is better against the pass than people think in which case i would defer to the coaches but every year or two they fill the middle rounds with these kind of picks and the failure rate has been way too high it just seams like he is another middle round LB that will have limited spot duty on running downs and be the same liability in coverage that lets TE's and RB pass catching continue to gouge them for bigger gains than they should
they need an OT either in the last couple of picks or a FA or cut down and we really need another snee and mckenzie not another jerry or newhouse can see them needing to go OT again early next year since they passed on it now they need a dominating RT to get the fire going under that running game which they just dont seam to see what we see?
"B.J. Goodson can play any of the linebacker positions." - Jerry Reese
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LB B.J. Goodson is "a tackling machine," GM Jerry Reese said.
"B.J. Goodson is a talented linebacker who can play all three spots." - Coach McAdoo
Ben McAdoo thinks BJ Goodson is at his best at MLB. "He's smart, good instincts, good wrap tackler."
"Goodson is smart with good instincts. He's physical between the tackles." - Coach McAdoo