you're just not choosing to do so with any intelligence.
Ira, we couldn't close the OT's in FA, we didn't completely ignore it. You have to be smart with what you spend. This isn't the uncapped league anymore where you can just allocate all your 1st rounders to OL and have those 1990's Dallas OL's. They had such a surplus of talent, they had the luxury of losing Ron Stone, who turned out to be pro bowler for us.
You're right. Let's take a lesser player because he plays a position you want them to take. Just stop.
Lol exactly. Good lord. People have such strong opinions at this point it's funny. At this juncture of the draft, shouldn't we just trust advanced scouting?
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Yep.
And for all of the people dick riding Zeke Elliott pre-draft look where most of the top RB prospects went. That's where smart GMs look for RB talent.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
I'm all in on this kid. We have no one like him. No one can be as elusive and provide the break a way ability like a tiki barber. Jennings is more of a plodder, Williams is useless, Cereen is pretty much a pass catcher, and Rainey is obsolete now.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
Lol
No but I got accused of being an idiot for focusing on OT multiple times.
Think of Tiki in his first few years behind a so-so run blocking line. It wasn't pretty, and a lot of Tiki's big plays came from his own magic in avoiding the front 4 that sliced through our line.
Well... Paul Perkins has got that same sort of movement and it will especially come in handy with the current right side.
And, then, when we fix the O-line in 2017, watch out!
Paul Perkins can do some real damage.
A wonderful, wonderful all-around running back!!!
When he runs he reminds me of Jennings - maybe more elusive
the way he runs a little upright is a little unique, doesn't seem as compact as Tiki or Devonta Freeman for example. Also doesn't seem nearly as elusive as McCoy. Like Jennings he seems to make 1 cut, run pretty tough, finish runs, has a little more long speed that you'd expect considering he isn't a all that quick, though as I said he seems to have more wiggle.
Dude, I am talking ABOUT SINCE THE END OF LAST SEASON!
Youth once again is wasted on the young, ugh!
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
RE: When he runs he reminds me of Jennings - maybe more elusive
the way he runs a little upright is a little unique, doesn't seem as compact as Tiki or Devonta Freeman for example. Also doesn't seem nearly as elusive as McCoy. Like Jennings he seems to make 1 cut, run pretty tough, finish runs, has a little more long speed that you'd expect considering he isn't a all that quick, though as I said he seems to have more wiggle.
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I think this guy has more wiggle, more magic and more elusiveness than your post suggests. Saw several UCLA games and this guy is a terrific, instinctual runner who is elusive in small space and doesn't have to gear down a whole lot to change directions!
And watch when he strings a few moves together... he makes would-be tacklers look real, real bad.
i like this pick better than the wilson pick he more the giants type of workhorse power back i always thought wilson was an odd choice for them not the size,strength and grinding type RB they usually go for.
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
i like this pick better than the wilson pick he more the giants type of workhorse power back i always thought wilson was an odd choice for them not the size,strength and grinding type RB they usually go for.
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
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That ship has sailed with Beatty, as far as Davis is
concerned, that was just a report that came out.
There was never anything confirmed, he is sitting
out the season, the Niners have no real incentive
to trade him now, just saying.
Why would a team trade for someone sitting out the season?
Has anybody heard Davis say, if I get traded, I'll play
in 2016? That might be for future reference.
about not getting an OL that might be a 2nd or 3rd stringer.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Sy, if your excited, I'm excited. I think Hart is going to take one of the right side line positions. Good feet, smart kid. The oline will be better just on Flowers being one year older. They will find a replacement for Newhouse.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Eli had one of his most productive seasons last year including a personal best 35 TD passes WITH Newhouse and Jerry on the right side and WITH a mediocre Randle as the number 2 receiver. Reese just gave him more weapons. If the D is just mediocre instead of terrible this team is now a whole lot better.
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Really makes you wonder about the wisdom of taking a RB in top ten, even someone like Elliott.
Or gone to them, (my son-in-law has season tickets).
This kid is exciting, and he DOES remind me of Tiki. It was almost by accident (and with a lot of help from his fullbacks) that Tiki became one of the very best cut-back runners in the history of the NFL.
if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
Jennings can't handle the snaps of a feature back. This is a fact many don't seem to understand.
Jennings would never get "feature back" carries anyway
I really like Perkins... he played hurt last year and was still good! His feet, the way he runs, reminds me of LeSean McCoy. Very happy with the pick in the 5th round! Great value!
for at least 20 years, including all of Paul Perkins' games. He is truly a real good running back-- fast, elusive, cuts well, goes up the middle. he reminds me more of Joe Morris than Tiki. You will love the way he plays. Just a great draft pick.
But that wasn't going to happen. Perkins is the next best RB. We got a steal. Jennings and Vereen are a fine tandem. Throwing in Perkins makes this an excellent trifecta and I think he would be an excellent if not superior replacement in case of injury. Rainey, Darkwa, and Williams can fight it out in camp to see who stays.
will be a better team in 2016. Not sure how much better, but with some decent luck as far as injuries go, they will have 7-10 wins, and may be in a better position next season to chose talent over need, like they did this year despite the needs they did not address.
He has not played in a year and has not really said he wants to play again. Reality was he was OK for SF when he did play. SF entire offense was channeled through the left side with Staley and Iupati. I thought Davis was vastly overrated.
Just because you may need to upgrade the right side, does not mean that just over drafting an OL solves that problem. Who are all these OL that should have been drafted that were going to automatically be penciled in as starters
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Fortunate he didn't do a Jaylon Smith on his knee though.
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Ira, we couldn't close the OT's in FA, we didn't completely ignore it. You have to be smart with what you spend. This isn't the uncapped league anymore where you can just allocate all your 1st rounders to OL and have those 1990's Dallas OL's. They had such a surplus of talent, they had the luxury of losing Ron Stone, who turned out to be pro bowler for us.
#Giants RB @Prime_Perk_24: My measurables might not show up for some teams but I am all heart. I can't wait to play in NY.
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You're right. Let's take a lesser player because he plays a position you want them to take. Just stop.
Lol exactly. Good lord. People have such strong opinions at this point it's funny. At this juncture of the draft, shouldn't we just trust advanced scouting?
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
I am glad he did and I am glad the Giants took him.
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
are you just gonna troll all the draft threads an bitch about everything , it's fucking obnoxious. Not sure if you know this but Youre not a scout
we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
Shut up guy! It's a beautiful Saturday. Go out and enjoy yourself.
that said, the kid looks like he might make a heck of a punt returner, which is something.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Yep.
And for all of the people dick riding Zeke Elliott pre-draft look where most of the top RB prospects went. That's where smart GMs look for RB talent.
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
I like how this all played out for the Giants.
That's some day 3 preview there Sy
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
I would totally agree with this. Most OL after round 4 are just not that good. Diehl the obvious exception.
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
Lol
No but I got accused of being an idiot for focusing on OT multiple times.
Think of Tiki in his first few years behind a so-so run blocking line. It wasn't pretty, and a lot of Tiki's big plays came from his own magic in avoiding the front 4 that sliced through our line.
Well... Paul Perkins has got that same sort of movement and it will especially come in handy with the current right side.
And, then, when we fix the O-line in 2017, watch out!
Paul Perkins can do some real damage.
A wonderful, wonderful all-around running back!!!
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Dude, I am talking ABOUT SINCE THE END OF LAST SEASON!
Youth once again is wasted on the young, ugh!
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
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I think this guy has more wiggle, more magic and more elusiveness than your post suggests. Saw several UCLA games and this guy is a terrific, instinctual runner who is elusive in small space and doesn't have to gear down a whole lot to change directions!
And watch when he strings a few moves together... he makes would-be tacklers look real, real bad.
Giants fans will come to love this guy!!!
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
"Paul Perkins is an all-around back who can run, catch and block." - Jerry Reese
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Jerry Reese says Paul Perkins is a 3-down back #Giants
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
That ship has sailed with Beatty, as far as Davis is
concerned, that was just a report that came out.
There was never anything confirmed, he is sitting
out the season, the Niners have no real incentive
to trade him now, just saying.
Why would a team trade for someone sitting out the season?
Has anybody heard Davis say, if I get traded, I'll play
in 2016? That might be for future reference.
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that's a pretty bold statement right here
Am I misremembering, or wasn't Perkins an early Heisman front runner in the season? I thought he started really strong and tailed off a bit.
In any case, I do think he's better than all of our mehs at RB.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Sy, if your excited, I'm excited. I think Hart is going to take one of the right side line positions. Good feet, smart kid. The oline will be better just on Flowers being one year older. They will find a replacement for Newhouse.
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Eli had one of his most productive seasons last year including a personal best 35 TD passes WITH Newhouse and Jerry on the right side and WITH a mediocre Randle as the number 2 receiver. Reese just gave him more weapons. If the D is just mediocre instead of terrible this team is now a whole lot better.
McAdoo on Perkins: "He can play first, second and third down."
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"Paul Perkins protects the ball and can protect the quarterback." - Coach McAdoo
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Really makes you wonder about the wisdom of taking a RB in top ten, even someone like Elliott.
Marc Ross says RB Paul Perkins was "hardest working guy on the team" at UCLA.
Marc Ross on Paul Perkins: "He's a complete back. He's got great vision. One-cut back."
This kid is exciting, and he DOES remind me of Tiki. It was almost by accident (and with a lot of help from his fullbacks) that Tiki became one of the very best cut-back runners in the history of the NFL.
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if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
Jennings can't handle the snaps of a feature back. This is a fact many don't seem to understand.
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According to the report above, Perkins not a good blocker (probably why he fell to the 5th round).
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Seriously, fuck watching highlights of players, watch this dude watch highlights of players. It may be my new favorite thing.
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So our new Giant Paul Perkins is the nephew of Don Perkins.
I hope on opening night in Dallas he makes Uncle Don proud !!
Just because you may need to upgrade the right side, does not mean that just over drafting an OL solves that problem. Who are all these OL that should have been drafted that were going to automatically be penciled in as starters