Fourth year junior. Teams leading rusher in the 2014 and 2015 seasons respectively despite battling a nagging knee injury this past fall. Perkins may not have the body or running style to be an every down back, but his ability to make something out of nothing cannot go overlooked. He has the rare, hard to find ability to completely change direction while moving at full speed at anytime. His top end speed and lack of size may limit his touches week in, week out however he is a prime candidate for a committee approach. If he can find an offense that needs someone to offset a between the tackles, chain moving bruiser, Perkins will excel. I have a higher grade on Perkins than what I see out there. He has the kind of talent that can change how an offense approaches thing, which ended up happening at UCLA after 2013. Perkins may not have the ideal situation here in NY because of Vereens presence, but NYG hasnt had a back that can move in and out of traffic like this since the early days of Tiki Barber. He may not be the ideal every down guy, but he is a dangerous playmaker that defenses are afraid to see with the ball in space.
Andre Williams is terrible and not a fit at all for the offensive line scheme we plan to modify now. Darkwa and Jennings are always nicked up and Jennings isn't exactly young for a RB.
Perfectly fine. Have a feeling we will get a solid grade from Sy this year on our draft. Lot of guys he liked in Shepard, Goodson, Perkins and he was emphatic on the Giants possibly liking Apple. Great job this year.
Are Darkwa, Rainey, and Williams irreplaceable? I hope next years RB's are Jennings, Vereen, and Perkins if they go with three and Darkwa if they go with 4.
This guy is real good. I watched a few UCLA games and he was a player that you noticed, he is a battler, makes yards after contact, he is a good blocker and receiver also. This is a great pick, you can't fill holes with garbage, so why not take a player, this guy will make the team, good bye Williams and Darkwa.
I wouldn't know the guy if I passed him on the street, but awful pick. I saw a bunch of better players a few weeks ago when I looked on youtube for 10 minutes. I know sy and everyone else who actually scouted him with proper techniques like him, but the youtube tape don't lie. Fire Reese now before it's too late.
with Sy. Love this guy. Very shifty with excellent jump cut ability. Really makes tacklers miss. His shiftiness reminds me of Sterling Shepard. Excellent vision. Very good hands. Willing blocker. No second gear to run away from anyone, needs to get stronger, and is not a short yardage back.
5th round is a good spot to try and find some gems and pick a RB. Newsflash, our backfield isn't that good. Competition is good, it's not like we have guys that have carved out a niche role outside of Jennings and Vereen. Darkwa is promising, and Andre Williams really struggled last year.
haven't seen a lot of Perkins but will go with Sy's assessment. From what I've heard he's got receiving skills which is crucial for a back in a west coast offense
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
could turn out to be a player that takes over most of the running back duties, this kid is real good I am telling you. I do not watch a ton of college ball, but on Saturday night's late sometimes there is nothing better and I watched about 3 or 4 UCLA games and this kid was real good, I do think he could be an every down back, what doesn't he do to make him an every down back? only thing I see is his size, but this kid is tough.
He had a hamstring injury. He is faster than the 4.54 he posted. I watch a lot of Pac-12 football and this kid is a tough, elusive runner. Friends who are Bruin fans love him. One longtime Bruins supporter told me is the best RB they ever had and class has produced a lot of quality backs.
Giants selected UCLA RB Paul Perkins with the No. 149 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.
Perkins (5'10/208) spent two years as the Bruins' feature back before turning pro, parlaying 622 carries into 3,491 yards (5.61 YPC) and 29 touchdowns, adding 80 receptions. His Combine metrics were solid-if-unspectacular, running 4.54 with a 32-inch vertical and 10-foot-4 broad jump. A fundamentally-sound three-down back, Perkins combines darting quickness with exciting lateral moves and is an ultra-competitive, tough inside runner. A Devonta Freeman clone, Perkins is good enough to capitalize if given an extended NFL opportunity. New York is an excellent landing spot for Perkins to earn early-career chances in one of the league's most underwhelming running back corps.
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
dude why the negativity? perkins is a good pick. you draft for value at this point perkins can help us. any OL you draft prob wont have a huge impact...you dont draft a starting OT in round 5...we have to go with what we have maybe a free agent maybe a june 1st cut maybe a trade...take a pill dude breathe this was a great draft for us so far
Whoever is availble via the draft...a similar guy can be had in UDFA and veteran FA right now.
Agreed. Weve still got another pick. You mentioned Shell. Hes OK, but lumbers a little. In any event, nobody we get now is going to come in and start. Like Hart, theyd need at least a year. The only exception would be if we traded for Davis.
He may not be the guy you wanted or the position you wanted. But, it is hard to deny the ultimate value for a very talented RB still there in the 5th round. He has the potential to be the most complete back on the team right out of the gate. That doesn't mean he will start. But, it does mean just about every RB on the roster should take notice and realize any one of them could be cut. The one exception could be Vereen given his specific skillset.
And, I don't get people complaining about taking a RB. RB was a general consensus of a position we needed to upgrade. We didn't necessarily need a starter. But, many, if not most, agreed, we needed better behind Jennings. This pick does just that and could really end up being a steal in this draft.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
The Giants have a lot of money and time to find a Tackle. They are not getting a starting Tackle in the 5th round. This kid can help us this year.
Please tell me where they are going to find a starting RT
at this stage of the game?? Did you happen to miss free agency
by any chance, were you out of the country.
... we should just look straight ahead right now to NEXT April? No. wait, that won't work for the troubled souls of the experts in here -- because they won't know who the GM will be. I guess we may as well watch the games.
Giants selected UCLA RB Paul Perkins with the No. 149 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.
Perkins (5'10/208) spent two years as the Bruins' feature back before turning pro, parlaying 622 carries into 3,491 yards (5.61 YPC) and 29 touchdowns, adding 80 receptions. His Combine metrics were solid-if-unspectacular, running 4.54 with a 32-inch vertical and 10-foot-4 broad jump. A fundamentally-sound three-down back, Perkins combines darting quickness with exciting lateral moves and is an ultra-competitive, tough inside runner. A Devonta Freeman clone, Perkins is good enough to capitalize if given an extended NFL opportunity. New York is an excellent landing spot for Perkins to earn early-career chances in one of the league's most underwhelming running back corps.
If he became 80% as good as Devonta Freeman we are in business. That's quite a comparison because Freeman was a top 5 back last year
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
Not to mention that Hart is a potential starter in his 2nd year, not his draft year. It is unlikely a OL taken in the 5th round or later will start or even have a shot to start.
On the other hand, Perkins may very well be the most complete back on the roster, right now. He likely won't start. But, he certainly has a real shot to contribute if he shows anything this spring and summer. He is a great value and an excellent player who is much better than a 5th round value.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Give it a rest. You are such a whiney douchebag. If you hate this team so much then go away.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
Williams most certainly is not getting cut because of this pick.
argument is fucking stupid. You pick players that improve your team, it's not about numbers.
This is a good pick.
And we actually don't have enough RBs because we don't have a franchise type there. Ideally the RBs are Jennings, Perkins and Vereen with Perkins taking most of the snaps by 2017 or the second half of this season
do we have at RB? Like OL, LB, TE, and S, its one of many positions were we have a lot of bodies but not great talent. Thats what happens when you butcher so many drafts. A dearth of talent. As Sy said, its going to take more than one year to fix all these problems.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
I stand by what I said
if Reese comes up with a replacement RT between now and the opening of camp, I'll change my tune
the right side of the line is a mess and Eli is older and needs protection and we cant run for shit
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I also see this as a way of addressing a weaker O-line. He's a threat catching the ball on check down plays. If they ever had Vereen and Perkins in the backfield together with Odell and Shepherd on the field, Eli would have 4 legit targets at varying distances of the field. If the pressure is strong he can check down to Vereen or Perkins.
Excited about this draft then I have been in ages. I loved the 4th and 5th round picks, I was thrilled with Shepherd, I am OK with Apple because he fits what Spags wants to do, only Thomson was I a little disappointed, but that was because I wanted Simmons, but I have come around on that since he was a ballhawk and that is what we need and what Spags wants from that spot also.
Im ready for September 2016!!! Fuck the summer and lets get football season going. Cant even watch the Yankees and the Rangers look like theyre falling off of a cliff . Lets go!
The big problem with Giants' F.O., other than some not very good picks, is that they insist they never screw up. They're sanctimonious. So when they put a clunker on the squad, he "just needs time to get coached up" or whatever the hell! So these guys who should be gone a season or two sooner, stick around forever stinkin' it up. That's how you get The JPP of Tight Ends, No Gain Dayne, and likely now, A. Williams.
So, it looks like the Giants are convinced that A. Williams is a reliable power back, which I don't believe, so they're not interested in a replacement. Nothing against Perkins, but Jonathan Williams would have been sweet here.
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
Yes we need a RG and RT.....but are you going to draft a project just for the sake of getting one? We have drafted too many projects, that didn't even suit up for games....Name one, just one Giant draft choice in the last 10 years, drafted after the 3rd round that was a solid starter in the OL.....
Or are you going to draft a guy who can contribute.....
This looks like a draft where guys actually look like football players, and can make plays.....
It's obvious, the Giants did not think there was much out there for the OL.....so Reese will be dumpster diving, or dare I say, make a trade...
As for picking a RB, who on the Giants, outside of Jennings is an every down back? And how long will Jennings last if he is to carry the load?
What I am seeing is guys that can compete for jobs.....
are the two best picks and both could be steals where they were selected. Perkins could be one of the biggest steals of the entire draft. They filled holes on D with solid, if unspectacular players. But, on offense they selected two guys that can really have a big impact and give them the solid presence of additional playmakers. This should ensure that Beckham doesn't get blanketed all game long, especially if Cruz can come in even at 80-85%. Eli should now be able to shine for the next few years because there will be more than 1 weapon on the field most plays.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Those 0 sacks John Jerry gave up really has Eli worried
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Apparently you missed the memo that Hart wasn't drafted with Tackle in mind. He's projected to Guard and has been since the beginning.
He's only the 5th ranked RB by ourlads and we wasted a 5th round pick to get him. Even worse, he can catch the ball out of the backfield! We already have Vereen and he'll never ever get injured and leave us with a backfield without a versatile threat.
Boooooo this man. Booooo. If he's that good, like Sy says, we should have drafted him at 10!!
Excited about this draft then I have been in ages. I loved the 4th and 5th round picks, I was thrilled with Shepherd, I am OK with Apple because he fits what Spags wants to do, only Thomson was I a little disappointed, but that was because I wanted Simmons, but I have come around on that since he was a ballhawk and that is what we need and what Spags wants from that spot also.
Agreed. This draft just feels better than recent past, not that it could be much worse than some. Of course time will tell, but I feel good about this group. I think they'll really make a difference. Fingers crossed.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Neither Darkwa nor Williams have shown skills as a short yardage back. Plus it's also a line problem. Teams don't all use John Riggins in short yardage anymore...
A 5th Rd ol with marginal talent, than a rb who could play major minutes. No ol at this point could match his athleticism. Listen to sy and others and relax. Going to get a veteran even if it's not Davis.
I stayed up and watched a lot of Pac Coast Games. If you would of told me Perkins would drop to us in round 5 I'd want to examine your head. Eli Apple is a Big Game Player. still remember the Oregon Game and saying "this kids a freshman!" Before round 2 I wanted S. Shepard. I thought all the DL were rated higher but I thought the pick of Shepard made the Giants instantly better more than any other player available. I watched about 5 OU games and Shepard is a PRODUCTIVE WR, He gets open and has magnet hands. Did not see the Round 3 safety. OL, Sy was right, it was a thin tackle group and the top 4 were gone in Round One. Their will be June 1 cuts. We'll get some depth. This looks like the makings of a decent draft. You can't fix everything with 6 picks.
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
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Williams and Rainey can go bye bye, seen enough of Williams.
Keep this kid, Jennnigs (good tutor too) for Perkins,
with Vereen and Darkwa. If Jerry can live with an UDFA,
rather than one of his draft picks, that would be great.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Perkins also has a bit of power to his game. Not a true short yardage back. But, there is no rule that says they must have one. Given his sure hands, that role could be a nice way to get him acclimated to the pro game without putting too much of a burden on him with blitz assignments and routes right away. I would be perfectly comfortable cutting Williams or Darkwa at this point.
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
I was surprised they took a safety at three, agree with you on that. However, if he's good then there's nothing to complain about. You don't pass up good players at a position of need because you have Behre, Jackson, and Thompson (all coming off major injuries) on your roster...
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
I see your point, but Williams is the only power-type back on the squad. Add to that that he appears to be relatively well-liked by the staff and I have to completely disagree that he's in any jeopardy. Darkwa, however, and Jennings if his legs suddenly go, are far more likely.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
about not getting an OL that might be a 2nd or 3rd stringer.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Absolutely. Sometimes a pick is also to set up next year. Jennings is on the wrong side of 30 and Vereen is third down back. The other two are basically worthless.
Good pick
RE: I hate that people think a short yardage back has to be a big guy.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
This draft, in combination with their FA signings, at least improves this team. They have made themselves a much more balanced and complete team. Overall depth may still be an issue. But, they seem to have improved almost every position they had holes at.
Right now, the most questionable pick may be Thompson. But, I think this means they are willing to get rid of at least one of the 3 young safeties and/or Taylor. Some of the versatility of a couple of players, plus their picks also means we can get rid of guys like Wade. This team should have at least gone from a bottom feeder to a serious Wild Card contender overnight.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
"A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are."
Sounds like a description of Jonathan Williams.
RE: RE: This run in his highlight vid is just ridiculous
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
so many here are talking about trading for Davis and signing an OG as if both are givens. Both would be nice, but neither is a given. Right now, Hart is likely battling with Jerry for RG and Newhouse is the RT. Either of those positions could certainly change by camp, but that is not a given.
got 2 players that can make a lot happen on their own with the ball in their hands. Besides Beckham...who else can do that? Great moves.
they have the worst right side of the line in the nfl and not even a decent blocking te. I'm liking the draft but this team is not doing anything with that right side. Two year rebuild.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
I think Jerry/Hart and Newhouse can hold forte for at least a year or two if need be
would bitch about taking Perkins. He was the third leading rusher in UCLA history and lead the PAC 12 in rushing in '14. He is obviously a tremendous talent. He will be fun to watch. It is going to be great to have an offense with players as exciting as Shepard, Beckham and Perkins.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
dont go that far back or we'll all start bitching about the Pugh pick... the RT position was what he was drafted for and most of BBI knew he was a Guard before he was picked
I like Pugh and hes a very good guard, but picked too high for what he ended up being
we would not be talking about RT at all if he was what the GM thought he was
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
This is the 2007 draft with Bradshaw in the 7th. Can't believe some guys think we have quality Running Backs. I wanted Conklin in the 1st rd. But Reese has never been able to pick O Lineman after the 2 rounds. I'm glad he isn't trying. Go where the value is now. We'll just have to buy an OT in June.
Great Job Jerry. Perkins & Sheppard. We need weapons.
Newhouse and Jerry certainly are no All Pros. But, for both, their strength last year was pass protection. Their weaknesses are in the running game. This OL, as currently constituted, can protect Eli and he is very adept at avoicing sacks.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
STFU already. Your opinion is worth as much as your ability to spell.
My opinion is worth as much as yours.. its a fan site, I'm a fan, it is my right to bitch, you don't have to read it or agree.... I worry about Eli, we lose him, we are down
if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
you're just not choosing to do so with any intelligence.
Ira, we couldn't close the OT's in FA, we didn't completely ignore it. You have to be smart with what you spend. This isn't the uncapped league anymore where you can just allocate all your 1st rounders to OL and have those 1990's Dallas OL's. They had such a surplus of talent, they had the luxury of losing Ron Stone, who turned out to be pro bowler for us.
You're right. Let's take a lesser player because he plays a position you want them to take. Just stop.
Lol exactly. Good lord. People have such strong opinions at this point it's funny. At this juncture of the draft, shouldn't we just trust advanced scouting?
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Yep.
And for all of the people dick riding Zeke Elliott pre-draft look where most of the top RB prospects went. That's where smart GMs look for RB talent.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
I'm all in on this kid. We have no one like him. No one can be as elusive and provide the break a way ability like a tiki barber. Jennings is more of a plodder, Williams is useless, Cereen is pretty much a pass catcher, and Rainey is obsolete now.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
Lol
No but I got accused of being an idiot for focusing on OT multiple times.
Think of Tiki in his first few years behind a so-so run blocking line. It wasn't pretty, and a lot of Tiki's big plays came from his own magic in avoiding the front 4 that sliced through our line.
Well... Paul Perkins has got that same sort of movement and it will especially come in handy with the current right side.
And, then, when we fix the O-line in 2017, watch out!
Paul Perkins can do some real damage.
A wonderful, wonderful all-around running back!!!
When he runs he reminds me of Jennings - maybe more elusive
the way he runs a little upright is a little unique, doesn't seem as compact as Tiki or Devonta Freeman for example. Also doesn't seem nearly as elusive as McCoy. Like Jennings he seems to make 1 cut, run pretty tough, finish runs, has a little more long speed that you'd expect considering he isn't a all that quick, though as I said he seems to have more wiggle.
Dude, I am talking ABOUT SINCE THE END OF LAST SEASON!
Youth once again is wasted on the young, ugh!
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
RE: When he runs he reminds me of Jennings - maybe more elusive
the way he runs a little upright is a little unique, doesn't seem as compact as Tiki or Devonta Freeman for example. Also doesn't seem nearly as elusive as McCoy. Like Jennings he seems to make 1 cut, run pretty tough, finish runs, has a little more long speed that you'd expect considering he isn't a all that quick, though as I said he seems to have more wiggle.
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I think this guy has more wiggle, more magic and more elusiveness than your post suggests. Saw several UCLA games and this guy is a terrific, instinctual runner who is elusive in small space and doesn't have to gear down a whole lot to change directions!
And watch when he strings a few moves together... he makes would-be tacklers look real, real bad.
i like this pick better than the wilson pick he more the giants type of workhorse power back i always thought wilson was an odd choice for them not the size,strength and grinding type RB they usually go for.
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
i like this pick better than the wilson pick he more the giants type of workhorse power back i always thought wilson was an odd choice for them not the size,strength and grinding type RB they usually go for.
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
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That ship has sailed with Beatty, as far as Davis is
concerned, that was just a report that came out.
There was never anything confirmed, he is sitting
out the season, the Niners have no real incentive
to trade him now, just saying.
Why would a team trade for someone sitting out the season?
Has anybody heard Davis say, if I get traded, I'll play
in 2016? That might be for future reference.
about not getting an OL that might be a 2nd or 3rd stringer.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Sy, if your excited, I'm excited. I think Hart is going to take one of the right side line positions. Good feet, smart kid. The oline will be better just on Flowers being one year older. They will find a replacement for Newhouse.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Eli had one of his most productive seasons last year including a personal best 35 TD passes WITH Newhouse and Jerry on the right side and WITH a mediocre Randle as the number 2 receiver. Reese just gave him more weapons. If the D is just mediocre instead of terrible this team is now a whole lot better.
Everyone at NFLN and ESPN loved the pick. I was going to transcribe, but realized my effort would be rewarded with more idiotic comments.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Really makes you wonder about the wisdom of taking a RB in top ten, even someone like Elliott.
Or gone to them, (my son-in-law has season tickets).
This kid is exciting, and he DOES remind me of Tiki. It was almost by accident (and with a lot of help from his fullbacks) that Tiki became one of the very best cut-back runners in the history of the NFL.
if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
Jennings can't handle the snaps of a feature back. This is a fact many don't seem to understand.
Jennings would never get "feature back" carries anyway
I really like Perkins... he played hurt last year and was still good! His feet, the way he runs, reminds me of LeSean McCoy. Very happy with the pick in the 5th round! Great value!
for at least 20 years, including all of Paul Perkins' games. He is truly a real good running back-- fast, elusive, cuts well, goes up the middle. he reminds me more of Joe Morris than Tiki. You will love the way he plays. Just a great draft pick.
But that wasn't going to happen. Perkins is the next best RB. We got a steal. Jennings and Vereen are a fine tandem. Throwing in Perkins makes this an excellent trifecta and I think he would be an excellent if not superior replacement in case of injury. Rainey, Darkwa, and Williams can fight it out in camp to see who stays.
will be a better team in 2016. Not sure how much better, but with some decent luck as far as injuries go, they will have 7-10 wins, and may be in a better position next season to chose talent over need, like they did this year despite the needs they did not address.
He has not played in a year and has not really said he wants to play again. Reality was he was OK for SF when he did play. SF entire offense was channeled through the left side with Staley and Iupati. I thought Davis was vastly overrated.
Just because you may need to upgrade the right side, does not mean that just over drafting an OL solves that problem. Who are all these OL that should have been drafted that were going to automatically be penciled in as starters
Value is there but with so many holes to fill why RB? Maybe value was too good to pass up here.
Fourth year junior. Teams leading rusher in the 2014 and 2015 seasons respectively despite battling a nagging knee injury this past fall. Perkins may not have the body or running style to be an every down back, but his ability to make something out of nothing cannot go overlooked. He has the rare, hard to find ability to completely change direction while moving at full speed at anytime. His top end speed and lack of size may limit his touches week in, week out however he is a prime candidate for a committee approach. If he can find an offense that needs someone to offset a between the tackles, chain moving bruiser, Perkins will excel. I have a higher grade on Perkins than what I see out there. He has the kind of talent that can change how an offense approaches thing, which ended up happening at UCLA after 2013. Perkins may not have the ideal situation here in NY because of Vereens presence, but NYG hasnt had a back that can move in and out of traffic like this since the early days of Tiki Barber. He may not be the ideal every down guy, but he is a dangerous playmaker that defenses are afraid to see with the ball in space.
Upside Pro Comparison: Lesean McCoy BUF
Some positions on this team get max competition, some get handed the job.
we'll be stoned on 3rd and short again and picking 10th again
hopefully with a new GM
But adambear just said it was an awful pick.
Who to believe... ?!??
Value is there but with so many holes to fill why RB? Maybe value was too good to pass up here.
At this point in draft its more value than need,
Marshall Outhouse
say it with me.... Marshall Outhouse
he's a refrigerator on a dolly
I like your thinking.
Perfectly fine. Have a feeling we will get a solid grade from Sy this year on our draft. Lot of guys he liked in Shepard, Goodson, Perkins and he was emphatic on the Giants possibly liking Apple. Great job this year.
If you love him, I love him. Thanks Sy. i hope we can now get rid of the baggage we have at RB.
Marshall Outhouse
say it with me.... Marshall Outhouse
he's a refrigerator on a dolly
I agree NYG needs an upgrade. But I don't think you are getting it here...not in terms of a starter anyway.
Paul Perkins had the best elusive rating (forced miss tackles+YAC per attempt) of any RB, even Zeke! #giants finally go BPA. #GiantsDraft
Marshall Outhouse
say it with me.... Marshall Outhouse
he's a refrigerator on a dolly
Paulie GIVE IT A FUCKING REST ALREADY!
Marshall Outhouse
say it with me.... Marshall Outhouse
he's a refrigerator on a dolly
I don't see any pick who is better right now and earlier in the draft the value was not there
yep. Watched him every game for 3 years he he can start for the Giants RIGHT NOW.
#Giants 5th round RB Paul Perkins: "I can't even put this into words right now, so I'm sorry, I'm speechless."
You're right. Let's take a lesser player because he plays a position you want them to take. Just stop.
reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
5th round is a good spot to try and find some gems and pick a RB. Newsflash, our backfield isn't that good. Competition is good, it's not like we have guys that have carved out a niche role outside of Jennings and Vereen. Darkwa is promising, and Andre Williams really struggled last year.
Ding ding ding
I hope he does just to piss you off.
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Paul Perkins on being called a "poor man's @TikiBarber": "I did idolize him growing up. To be compared to him is an honor."
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
How many people wanted Zeke at 10 if he was there as the BPA regardless of position?
OK
Paul Perkins says he was FaceTiming with Owa Odighizuwa "not too long ago." Right after he got picked.
hes a smug assclown
Marshall Outhouse
say it with me.... Marshall Outhouse
he's a refrigerator on a dolly
Who are all these NFL ready lineman they should be drafting? No one left is going to be a starting tackle week 1.
If he doesn't, will you just stop posting until the season starts?
That's how I look at it...veteran cap causualties. We have dollars to spend.
He can catch and pass block per nfl network.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Absolute steal in round 5.
Giants selected UCLA RB Paul Perkins with the No. 149 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.
Perkins (5'10/208) spent two years as the Bruins' feature back before turning pro, parlaying 622 carries into 3,491 yards (5.61 YPC) and 29 touchdowns, adding 80 receptions. His Combine metrics were solid-if-unspectacular, running 4.54 with a 32-inch vertical and 10-foot-4 broad jump. A fundamentally-sound three-down back, Perkins combines darting quickness with exciting lateral moves and is an ultra-competitive, tough inside runner. A Devonta Freeman clone, Perkins is good enough to capitalize if given an extended NFL opportunity. New York is an excellent landing spot for Perkins to earn early-career chances in one of the league's most underwhelming running back corps.
hes a smug assclown
dude why the negativity? perkins is a good pick. you draft for value at this point perkins can help us. any OL you draft prob wont have a huge impact...you dont draft a starting OT in round 5...we have to go with what we have maybe a free agent maybe a june 1st cut maybe a trade...take a pill dude breathe this was a great draft for us so far
Agreed. Weve still got another pick. You mentioned Shell. Hes OK, but lumbers a little. In any event, nobody we get now is going to come in and start. Like Hart, theyd need at least a year. The only exception would be if we traded for Davis.
And, I don't get people complaining about taking a RB. RB was a general consensus of a position we needed to upgrade. We didn't necessarily need a starter. But, many, if not most, agreed, we needed better behind Jennings. This pick does just that and could really end up being a steal in this draft.
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How is he in the passing game?
He can catch and pass block per nfl network.
Excellent receiver and blocker. Near top grade in both slots.
reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
The issue with Perkins is scheme. He only carried the ball 5 times out of 236 carries from a pro set last year at UCLA
I think we did just that rounds 4 & 5. Both guys I can see contributing this year.
Please tell me where they are going to find a starting RT
at this stage of the game?? Did you happen to miss free agency
by any chance, were you out of the country.
Paul Perkins on being called a "poor man's @TikiBarber": "I did idolize him growing up. To be compared to him is an honor."
Giants selected UCLA RB Paul Perkins with the No. 149 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.
Perkins (5'10/208) spent two years as the Bruins' feature back before turning pro, parlaying 622 carries into 3,491 yards (5.61 YPC) and 29 touchdowns, adding 80 receptions. His Combine metrics were solid-if-unspectacular, running 4.54 with a 32-inch vertical and 10-foot-4 broad jump. A fundamentally-sound three-down back, Perkins combines darting quickness with exciting lateral moves and is an ultra-competitive, tough inside runner. A Devonta Freeman clone, Perkins is good enough to capitalize if given an extended NFL opportunity. New York is an excellent landing spot for Perkins to earn early-career chances in one of the league's most underwhelming running back corps.
If he became 80% as good as Devonta Freeman we are in business. That's quite a comparison because Freeman was a top 5 back last year
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
are you just gonna troll all the draft threads an bitch about everything , it's fucking obnoxious. Not sure if you know this but Youre not a scout
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if you find a player that can get short yards behind a so-so run blocking OL, that's not nothing.
another way would be to look at the pass protection piece here, but, if, as said above, he is anything like Tiki, you definitely take that at 5.
That said, far less convinced than I was with 1-3, puzzle pieces wise, time will tell.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Sorry - 400+ attempts
This is a good pick.
Here is a great write up of Perkins:
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
On the other hand, Perkins may very well be the most complete back on the roster, right now. He likely won't start. But, he certainly has a real shot to contribute if he shows anything this spring and summer. He is a great value and an excellent player who is much better than a 5th round value.
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
are you just gonna troll all the draft threads an bitch about everything , it's fucking obnoxious. Not sure if you know this but Youre not a scout
we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Give it a rest. You are such a whiney douchebag. If you hate this team so much then go away.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
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Williams? Jennings? Darkwa? Vereen!?!?
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
Williams most certainly is not getting cut because of this pick.
This is a good pick.
And we actually don't have enough RBs because we don't have a franchise type there. Ideally the RBs are Jennings, Perkins and Vereen with Perkins taking most of the snaps by 2017 or the second half of this season
hes a smug assclown
Go back to your wingnut site and gargle Trump/Cruz/mgorga.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
I stand by what I said
if Reese comes up with a replacement RT between now and the opening of camp, I'll change my tune
the right side of the line is a mess and Eli is older and needs protection and we cant run for shit
If Eric reads this, I think Paulie Nonuts should get timeout...
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I like the pick!
NFL COMPARISON Duke Johnson
throw him back in the pond!!!
The big problem with Giants' F.O., other than some not very good picks, is that they insist they never screw up. They're sanctimonious. So when they put a clunker on the squad, he "just needs time to get coached up" or whatever the hell! So these guys who should be gone a season or two sooner, stick around forever stinkin' it up. That's how you get The JPP of Tight Ends, No Gain Dayne, and likely now, A. Williams.
So, it looks like the Giants are convinced that A. Williams is a reliable power back, which I don't believe, so they're not interested in a replacement. Nothing against Perkins, but Jonathan Williams would have been sweet here.
You're such a clown it's not even funny.
NFL COMPARISON Duke Johnson
throw him back in the pond!!!
Great, now the timer has started on the Duke Johnson groupie coming back.
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say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
McShay & Sy both love this guy. I like the pick.
Or are you going to draft a guy who can contribute.....
This looks like a draft where guys actually look like football players, and can make plays.....
It's obvious, the Giants did not think there was much out there for the OL.....so Reese will be dumpster diving, or dare I say, make a trade...
As for picking a RB, who on the Giants, outside of Jennings is an every down back? And how long will Jennings last if he is to carry the load?
What I am seeing is guys that can compete for jobs.....
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
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or Safeties
reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Those 0 sacks John Jerry gave up really has Eli worried
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Apparently you missed the memo that Hart wasn't drafted with Tackle in mind. He's projected to Guard and has been since the beginning.
STFU already?
Boooooo this man. Booooo. If he's that good, like Sy says, we should have drafted him at 10!!
the front office is too proud to cut Vereen. But in my opinion you don't need him around anymore.
Vereen will be on the roster this year. Not sure about 2017 though.
Precisely. The Giants wanted to get more explosive playmakers. They got two.
hes a smug assclown
You are an insufferable jackass. Please stop posting. Thanks
Agreed. This draft just feels better than recent past, not that it could be much worse than some. Of course time will tell, but I feel good about this group. I think they'll really make a difference. Fingers crossed.
Where is the hurricane guy?
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Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Neither Darkwa nor Williams have shown skills as a short yardage back. Plus it's also a line problem. Teams don't all use John Riggins in short yardage anymore...
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
Williams and Rainey can go bye bye, seen enough of Williams.
Keep this kid, Jennnigs (good tutor too) for Perkins,
with Vereen and Darkwa. If Jerry can live with an UDFA,
rather than one of his draft picks, that would be great.
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Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
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say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
I was surprised they took a safety at three, agree with you on that. However, if he's good then there's nothing to complain about. You don't pass up good players at a position of need because you have Behre, Jackson, and Thompson (all coming off major injuries) on your roster...
I liked a couple of RBs more than Perkins but I can see the intrigue with him. B/B+.
I see your point, but Williams is the only power-type back on the squad. Add to that that he appears to be relatively well-liked by the staff and I have to completely disagree that he's in any jeopardy. Darkwa, however, and Jennings if his legs suddenly go, are far more likely.
Three RBs gone in first 11 picks of fifth round and all good values. Giants getting UCLA's Paul Perkins might be best pick of three though
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Absolutely. Sometimes a pick is also to set up next year. Jennings is on the wrong side of 30 and Vereen is third down back. The other two are basically worthless.
Good pick
Agree Robbie
Williams will be around longer than herpes!
I like the 4th and 1 against USC, where it looks like he's stopped in the backfield but he turns it into a 8 yard gain
Right now, the most questionable pick may be Thompson. But, I think this means they are willing to get rid of at least one of the 3 young safeties and/or Taylor. Some of the versatility of a couple of players, plus their picks also means we can get rid of guys like Wade. This team should have at least gone from a bottom feeder to a serious Wild Card contender overnight.
"A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are."
Sounds like a description of Jonathan Williams.
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Run Versus Stanford
I like the 4th and 1 against USC, where it looks like he's stopped in the backfield but he turns it into a 8 yard gain
Check that, he turns it into a 20 yd TD
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that's a pretty bold statement right here
I have him the best possible grade for vision.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
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How would you characterize Perkins' vision? As you know, our complaints with AW was his lack of vision
I have him the best possible grade for vision.
Excellent, thanks. That's really great to hear. We were spoiled by Tiki
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I guess the Thompson pick was the one that really pissed me off
I'm over it guys, but still not a Reese fan
RB at 5 is a good player.. worried about my boy Eli, hope Reese has a plan for a Veteran
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
I think Jerry/Hart and Newhouse can hold forte for at least a year or two if need be
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
dont go that far back or we'll all start bitching about the Pugh pick... the RT position was what he was drafted for and most of BBI knew he was a Guard before he was picked
I like Pugh and hes a very good guard, but picked too high for what he ended up being
we would not be talking about RT at all if he was what the GM thought he was
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
Great Job Jerry. Perkins & Sheppard. We need weapons.
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Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
Again with the Pie thread..Now it's peach cobble?
come on man
STFU already. Your opinion is worth as much as your ability to spell.
When was the last time we could say that after the draft?
A rookie 5th round running back doesn't make Vereen obsolete in 2016.
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and I LOVE THIS GUY.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
Again with the Pie thread..Now it's peach cobble?
Squat Cobbler!
In my opinion they should let him go. He is the highest paid RB on the team.
Reese won't though
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Does this pick potentially make Vereen obsolete? Is his place on the roster secure? (Not sure what his contract states.)
A rookie 5th round running back doesn't make Vereen obsolete in 2016.
exactly...people are jumping on Sy's comment too soon. Competition will decide who stays and who goes if need be..oye vey
When was the last time we could say that after the draft?
Not to be negative, but part of that is because of the absolute garbage roster we have.
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Does this pick potentially make Vereen obsolete? Is his place on the roster secure? (Not sure what his contract states.)
In my opinion they should let him go. He is the highest paid RB on the team.
Reese won't though
How would this affect us with the cap?
I guess the Thompson pick was the one that really pissed me off
I'm over it guys, but still not a Reese fan
RB at 5 is a good player.. worried about my boy Eli, hope Reese has a plan for a Veteran
Me too. Reese should have picked up a rt in free agency. Hopefully, he'll find someone who's an upgrade over Newhouse.
Who isn't good to begin with. I'd rather have Chris Rainey than Bobby Rainey.
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we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
STFU already. Your opinion is worth as much as your ability to spell.
My opinion is worth as much as yours.. its a fan site, I'm a fan, it is my right to bitch, you don't have to read it or agree.... I worry about Eli, we lose him, we are down
excellent rebuild of the defense, though
OMG over 5 ypc in college?! That's unheard of.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
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it had to take priority
I guess the Thompson pick was the one that really pissed me off
I'm over it guys, but still not a Reese fan
RB at 5 is a good player.. worried about my boy Eli, hope Reese has a plan for a Veteran
Me too. Reese should have picked up a rt in free agency. Hopefully, he'll find someone who's an upgrade over Newhouse.
Thank you, but because , cause if you are not blowing Reese, you get told to STFU
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Every pick so far should see meaningful snaps THIS YEAR barring injury.
When was the last time we could say that after the draft?
Not to be negative, but part of that is because of the absolute garbage roster we have.
Giants are coming off 3 losing seasons in a row. Their roster has had issues for a while.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
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Ira, we couldn't close the OT's in FA, we didn't completely ignore it. You have to be smart with what you spend. This isn't the uncapped league anymore where you can just allocate all your 1st rounders to OL and have those 1990's Dallas OL's. They had such a surplus of talent, they had the luxury of losing Ron Stone, who turned out to be pro bowler for us.
#Giants RB @Prime_Perk_24: My measurables might not show up for some teams but I am all heart. I can't wait to play in NY.
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no linemen
You're right. Let's take a lesser player because he plays a position you want them to take. Just stop.
Lol exactly. Good lord. People have such strong opinions at this point it's funny. At this juncture of the draft, shouldn't we just trust advanced scouting?
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
I am glad he did and I am glad the Giants took him.
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
are you just gonna troll all the draft threads an bitch about everything , it's fucking obnoxious. Not sure if you know this but Youre not a scout
we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
Shut up guy! It's a beautiful Saturday. Go out and enjoy yourself.
that said, the kid looks like he might make a heck of a punt returner, which is something.
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Yep.
And for all of the people dick riding Zeke Elliott pre-draft look where most of the top RB prospects went. That's where smart GMs look for RB talent.
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
I like how this all played out for the Giants.
That's some day 3 preview there Sy
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
I would totally agree with this. Most OL after round 4 are just not that good. Diehl the obvious exception.
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
Agreed, except that I wanted an OT even more than you did.
Nah, I've been all-in on Stanley and Conklin for a while. The draft just didn't break right for that.
So glad the Bears traded up for Floyd.
Excuse me, but did you start a thread titled, "Give me Jack Conklin or give me death?" No. That was me.
Lol
No but I got accused of being an idiot for focusing on OT multiple times.
Think of Tiki in his first few years behind a so-so run blocking line. It wasn't pretty, and a lot of Tiki's big plays came from his own magic in avoiding the front 4 that sliced through our line.
Well... Paul Perkins has got that same sort of movement and it will especially come in handy with the current right side.
And, then, when we fix the O-line in 2017, watch out!
Paul Perkins can do some real damage.
A wonderful, wonderful all-around running back!!!
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Dude, I am talking ABOUT SINCE THE END OF LAST SEASON!
Youth once again is wasted on the young, ugh!
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
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I think this guy has more wiggle, more magic and more elusiveness than your post suggests. Saw several UCLA games and this guy is a terrific, instinctual runner who is elusive in small space and doesn't have to gear down a whole lot to change directions!
And watch when he strings a few moves together... he makes would-be tacklers look real, real bad.
Giants fans will come to love this guy!!!
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
"Paul Perkins is an all-around back who can run, catch and block." - Jerry Reese
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Jerry Reese says Paul Perkins is a 3-down back #Giants
he will need to grind unless they have a plan to get davis or maybe bring back beatty to play RT which i would welcome over newhouse right now as that OL especially on the right side will not open up much lanes for him
That ship has sailed with Beatty, as far as Davis is
concerned, that was just a report that came out.
There was never anything confirmed, he is sitting
out the season, the Niners have no real incentive
to trade him now, just saying.
Why would a team trade for someone sitting out the season?
Has anybody heard Davis say, if I get traded, I'll play
in 2016? That might be for future reference.
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that's a pretty bold statement right here
Am I misremembering, or wasn't Perkins an early Heisman front runner in the season? I thought he started really strong and tailed off a bit.
In any case, I do think he's better than all of our mehs at RB.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Sy, if your excited, I'm excited. I think Hart is going to take one of the right side line positions. Good feet, smart kid. The oline will be better just on Flowers being one year older. They will find a replacement for Newhouse.
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reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Eli had one of his most productive seasons last year including a personal best 35 TD passes WITH Newhouse and Jerry on the right side and WITH a mediocre Randle as the number 2 receiver. Reese just gave him more weapons. If the D is just mediocre instead of terrible this team is now a whole lot better.
McAdoo on Perkins: "He can play first, second and third down."
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"Paul Perkins protects the ball and can protect the quarterback." - Coach McAdoo
For all the people who say "don't draft a RB high, because you can find them in the later rounds," well, here we are in the later rounds. This is where you find them.
I'm as disapointed as everyone else that Ronnie Stanley didn't drop to pick 149. But you can only select from the players that are available when you pick.
Really makes you wonder about the wisdom of taking a RB in top ten, even someone like Elliott.
Marc Ross says RB Paul Perkins was "hardest working guy on the team" at UCLA.
Marc Ross on Paul Perkins: "He's a complete back. He's got great vision. One-cut back."
This kid is exciting, and he DOES remind me of Tiki. It was almost by accident (and with a lot of help from his fullbacks) that Tiki became one of the very best cut-back runners in the history of the NFL.
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if this running back by committee shit continues then our running game may continue to be a disaster. We will see this season whether all of that crap was TC or McAdoo.
I dont care what RB you draft, they will all struggle if you bring him in for three plays and then sit him on the bench for a quarter.
excellent point, seemed like Jennings would get rolling, and we'ed put Williams in and the drive would die, like its was his turn in Pop Warner or something
I had very high hopes for Williams after his rookie year
Jennings can't handle the snaps of a feature back. This is a fact many don't seem to understand.
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According to the report above, Perkins not a good blocker (probably why he fell to the 5th round).
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Seriously, fuck watching highlights of players, watch this dude watch highlights of players. It may be my new favorite thing.
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So our new Giant Paul Perkins is the nephew of Don Perkins.
I hope on opening night in Dallas he makes Uncle Don proud !!
Just because you may need to upgrade the right side, does not mean that just over drafting an OL solves that problem. Who are all these OL that should have been drafted that were going to automatically be penciled in as starters