what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
Not to mention that Hart is a potential starter in his 2nd year, not his draft year. It is unlikely a OL taken in the 5th round or later will start or even have a shot to start.
On the other hand, Perkins may very well be the most complete back on the roster, right now. He likely won't start. But, he certainly has a real shot to contribute if he shows anything this spring and summer. He is a great value and an excellent player who is much better than a 5th round value.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Give it a rest. You are such a whiney douchebag. If you hate this team so much then go away.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
Williams most certainly is not getting cut because of this pick.
argument is fucking stupid. You pick players that improve your team, it's not about numbers.
This is a good pick.
And we actually don't have enough RBs because we don't have a franchise type there. Ideally the RBs are Jennings, Perkins and Vereen with Perkins taking most of the snaps by 2017 or the second half of this season
do we have at RB? Like OL, LB, TE, and S, it’s one of many positions were we have a lot of bodies but not great talent. That’s what happens when you butcher so many drafts. A dearth of talent. As Sy said, it’s going to take more than one year to fix all these problems.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
I stand by what I said
if Reese comes up with a replacement RT between now and the opening of camp, I'll change my tune
the right side of the line is a mess and Eli is older and needs protection and we cant run for shit
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I also see this as a way of addressing a weaker O-line. He's a threat catching the ball on check down plays. If they ever had Vereen and Perkins in the backfield together with Odell and Shepherd on the field, Eli would have 4 legit targets at varying distances of the field. If the pressure is strong he can check down to Vereen or Perkins.
Excited about this draft then I have been in ages. I loved the 4th and 5th round picks, I was thrilled with Shepherd, I am OK with Apple because he fits what Spags wants to do, only Thomson was I a little disappointed, but that was because I wanted Simmons, but I have come around on that since he was a ballhawk and that is what we need and what Spags wants from that spot also.
I’m ready for September 2016!!! Fuck the summer and let’s get football season going. Can’t even watch the Yankees and the Rangers look like they’re falling off of a cliff . Let’s go!
I think Perkins obviously has talent, but . . . . Â
The big problem with Giants' F.O., other than some not very good picks, is that they insist they never screw up. They're sanctimonious. So when they put a clunker on the squad, he "just needs time to get coached up" or whatever the hell! So these guys who should be gone a season or two sooner, stick around forever stinkin' it up. That's how you get The JPP of Tight Ends, No Gain Dayne, and likely now, A. Williams.
So, it looks like the Giants are convinced that A. Williams is a reliable power back, which I don't believe, so they're not interested in a replacement. Nothing against Perkins, but Jonathan Williams would have been sweet here.
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
Yes we need a RG and RT.....but are you going to draft a project just for the sake of getting one? We have drafted too many projects, that didn't even suit up for games....Name one, just one Giant draft choice in the last 10 years, drafted after the 3rd round that was a solid starter in the OL.....
Or are you going to draft a guy who can contribute.....
This looks like a draft where guys actually look like football players, and can make plays.....
It's obvious, the Giants did not think there was much out there for the OL.....so Reese will be dumpster diving, or dare I say, make a trade...
As for picking a RB, who on the Giants, outside of Jennings is an every down back? And how long will Jennings last if he is to carry the load?
What I am seeing is guys that can compete for jobs.....
are the two best picks and both could be steals where they were selected. Perkins could be one of the biggest steals of the entire draft. They filled holes on D with solid, if unspectacular players. But, on offense they selected two guys that can really have a big impact and give them the solid presence of additional playmakers. This should ensure that Beckham doesn't get blanketed all game long, especially if Cruz can come in even at 80-85%. Eli should now be able to shine for the next few years because there will be more than 1 weapon on the field most plays.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Those 0 sacks John Jerry gave up really has Eli worried
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Apparently you missed the memo that Hart wasn't drafted with Tackle in mind. He's projected to Guard and has been since the beginning.
He's only the 5th ranked RB by ourlads and we wasted a 5th round pick to get him. Even worse, he can catch the ball out of the backfield! We already have Vereen and he'll never ever get injured and leave us with a backfield without a versatile threat.
Boooooo this man. Booooo. If he's that good, like Sy says, we should have drafted him at 10!!
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Sorry - 400+ attempts
This is a good pick.
Here is a great write up of Perkins:
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
On the other hand, Perkins may very well be the most complete back on the roster, right now. He likely won't start. But, he certainly has a real shot to contribute if he shows anything this spring and summer. He is a great value and an excellent player who is much better than a 5th round value.
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or Safeties
reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
are you just gonna troll all the draft threads an bitch about everything , it's fucking obnoxious. Not sure if you know this but Youre not a scout
we fired a HOF coach over Reese and Ross... and now we have to deal with this shit
come on man
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Give it a rest. You are such a whiney douchebag. If you hate this team so much then go away.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
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Williams? Jennings? Darkwa? Vereen!?!?
Williams and Darkwa for sure. Perkins may be redundant to Vereen but maybe not. I will see what Sy thinks on this- why Perkins when we have so much invested in Vereen?
Williams most certainly is not getting cut because of this pick.
This is a good pick.
And we actually don't have enough RBs because we don't have a franchise type there. Ideally the RBs are Jennings, Perkins and Vereen with Perkins taking most of the snaps by 2017 or the second half of this season
hes a smug assclown
Go back to your wingnut site and gargle Trump/Cruz/mgorga.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
It's mainly from Paulie today. This offseason was brutal with all the misguided, incessant bitching.
I stand by what I said
if Reese comes up with a replacement RT between now and the opening of camp, I'll change my tune
the right side of the line is a mess and Eli is older and needs protection and we cant run for shit
If Eric reads this, I think Paulie Nonuts should get timeout...
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I like the pick!
NFL COMPARISON Duke Johnson
throw him back in the pond!!!
The big problem with Giants' F.O., other than some not very good picks, is that they insist they never screw up. They're sanctimonious. So when they put a clunker on the squad, he "just needs time to get coached up" or whatever the hell! So these guys who should be gone a season or two sooner, stick around forever stinkin' it up. That's how you get The JPP of Tight Ends, No Gain Dayne, and likely now, A. Williams.
So, it looks like the Giants are convinced that A. Williams is a reliable power back, which I don't believe, so they're not interested in a replacement. Nothing against Perkins, but Jonathan Williams would have been sweet here.
You're such a clown it's not even funny.
NFL COMPARISON Duke Johnson
throw him back in the pond!!!
Great, now the timer has started on the Duke Johnson groupie coming back.
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say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
McShay & Sy both love this guy. I like the pick.
Or are you going to draft a guy who can contribute.....
This looks like a draft where guys actually look like football players, and can make plays.....
It's obvious, the Giants did not think there was much out there for the OL.....so Reese will be dumpster diving, or dare I say, make a trade...
As for picking a RB, who on the Giants, outside of Jennings is an every down back? And how long will Jennings last if he is to carry the load?
What I am seeing is guys that can compete for jobs.....
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
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or Safeties
reese is a clown, stop making excuses for him
Thompson and Perkins made our team better. It's not certain that any OL available would have the same impact. That's not meant to ignore the need at RT, but you have to draft according to the talent available. The Giants still had a productive offense last year with the same Jerry/Newhouse tandem on the right side and while it's not ideal, it's at least enough to allow the team to focus on acquiring the best football players they can.
for Christ sake, you have a 35 year old, HOF QB that wins you games with his arm and brains, he HAS to be protected.. hes not 28 anymore, we loose him, we are DONE
Reese is letting Eli's ass hang out and I am worried about our most precious jewel
You pay your insurance and mortage before you pay the cable or the electric bills
Eli is the Mortgage and the insurance... Reese just paid the Cellphone bill first
John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse, I'll be dipped in shit and fried
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Those 0 sacks John Jerry gave up really has Eli worried
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
If Bobby Hart cant beet out Outhouse in camp, then he's another fuckign wasted pick
Apparently you missed the memo that Hart wasn't drafted with Tackle in mind. He's projected to Guard and has been since the beginning.
STFU already?
Boooooo this man. Booooo. If he's that good, like Sy says, we should have drafted him at 10!!
the front office is too proud to cut Vereen. But in my opinion you don't need him around anymore.
Vereen will be on the roster this year. Not sure about 2017 though.
Precisely. The Giants wanted to get more explosive playmakers. They got two.