Excited about this draft then I have been in ages. I loved the 4th and 5th round picks, I was thrilled with Shepherd, I am OK with Apple because he fits what Spags wants to do, only Thomson was I a little disappointed, but that was because I wanted Simmons, but I have come around on that since he was a ballhawk and that is what we need and what Spags wants from that spot also.
Agreed. This draft just feels better than recent past, not that it could be much worse than some. Of course time will tell, but I feel good about this group. I think they'll really make a difference. Fingers crossed.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Neither Darkwa nor Williams have shown skills as a short yardage back. Plus it's also a line problem. Teams don't all use John Riggins in short yardage anymore...
A 5th Rd ol with marginal talent, than a rb who could play major minutes. No ol at this point could match his athleticism. Listen to sy and others and relax. Going to get a veteran even if it's not Davis.
I stayed up and watched a lot of Pac Coast Games. If you would of told me Perkins would drop to us in round 5 I'd want to examine your head. Eli Apple is a Big Game Player. still remember the Oregon Game and saying "this kids a freshman!" Before round 2 I wanted S. Shepard. I thought all the DL were rated higher but I thought the pick of Shepard made the Giants instantly better more than any other player available. I watched about 5 OU games and Shepard is a PRODUCTIVE WR, He gets open and has magnet hands. Did not see the Round 3 safety. OL, Sy was right, it was a thin tackle group and the top 4 were gone in Round One. Their will be June 1 cuts. We'll get some depth. This looks like the makings of a decent draft. You can't fix everything with 6 picks.
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
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Williams and Rainey can go bye bye, seen enough of Williams.
Keep this kid, Jennnigs (good tutor too) for Perkins,
with Vereen and Darkwa. If Jerry can live with an UDFA,
rather than one of his draft picks, that would be great.
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Perkins also has a bit of power to his game. Not a true short yardage back. But, there is no rule that says they must have one. Given his sure hands, that role could be a nice way to get him acclimated to the pro game without putting too much of a burden on him with blitz assignments and routes right away. I would be perfectly comfortable cutting Williams or Darkwa at this point.
say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
I was surprised they took a safety at three, agree with you on that. However, if he's good then there's nothing to complain about. You don't pass up good players at a position of need because you have Behre, Jackson, and Thompson (all coming off major injuries) on your roster...
Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
I see your point, but Williams is the only power-type back on the squad. Add to that that he appears to be relatively well-liked by the staff and I have to completely disagree that he's in any jeopardy. Darkwa, however, and Jennings if his legs suddenly go, are far more likely.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
about not getting an OL that might be a 2nd or 3rd stringer.
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Absolutely. Sometimes a pick is also to set up next year. Jennings is on the wrong side of 30 and Vereen is third down back. The other two are basically worthless.
Good pick
RE: I hate that people think a short yardage back has to be a big guy.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
This draft, in combination with their FA signings, at least improves this team. They have made themselves a much more balanced and complete team. Overall depth may still be an issue. But, they seem to have improved almost every position they had holes at.
Right now, the most questionable pick may be Thompson. But, I think this means they are willing to get rid of at least one of the 3 young safeties and/or Taylor. Some of the versatility of a couple of players, plus their picks also means we can get rid of guys like Wade. This team should have at least gone from a bottom feeder to a serious Wild Card contender overnight.
That is just dumb. A DL shoots out into the OL and the hole is never where it is designed. A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are. If you are getting hit in the backfield maybe you can power your way back to the line of scrimmage. The size factor only comes into play of they can get to a hole. How many times did Giants fans complain about Jacobs not being able to get a first down because he was tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage. Vision and acceleration are much more crucial to accomplishing that.
"A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are."
Sounds like a description of Jonathan Williams.
RE: RE: This run in his highlight vid is just ridiculous
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
so many here are talking about trading for Davis and signing an OG as if both are givens. Both would be nice, but neither is a given. Right now, Hart is likely battling with Jerry for RG and Newhouse is the RT. Either of those positions could certainly change by camp, but that is not a given.
got 2 players that can make a lot happen on their own with the ball in their hands. Besides Beckham...who else can do that? Great moves.
they have the worst right side of the line in the nfl and not even a decent blocking te. I'm liking the draft but this team is not doing anything with that right side. Two year rebuild.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
I think Jerry/Hart and Newhouse can hold forte for at least a year or two if need be
would bitch about taking Perkins. He was the third leading rusher in UCLA history and lead the PAC 12 in rushing in '14. He is obviously a tremendous talent. He will be fun to watch. It is going to be great to have an offense with players as exciting as Shepard, Beckham and Perkins.
what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
dont go that far back or we'll all start bitching about the Pugh pick... the RT position was what he was drafted for and most of BBI knew he was a Guard before he was picked
I like Pugh and hes a very good guard, but picked too high for what he ended up being
we would not be talking about RT at all if he was what the GM thought he was
I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
This is the 2007 draft with Bradshaw in the 7th. Can't believe some guys think we have quality Running Backs. I wanted Conklin in the 1st rd. But Reese has never been able to pick O Lineman after the 2 rounds. I'm glad he isn't trying. Go where the value is now. We'll just have to buy an OT in June.
Great Job Jerry. Perkins & Sheppard. We need weapons.
Newhouse and Jerry certainly are no All Pros. But, for both, their strength last year was pass protection. Their weaknesses are in the running game. This OL, as currently constituted, can protect Eli and he is very adept at avoicing sacks.
Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.
hes a smug assclown
You are an insufferable jackass. Please stop posting. Thanks
Agreed. This draft just feels better than recent past, not that it could be much worse than some. Of course time will tell, but I feel good about this group. I think they'll really make a difference. Fingers crossed.
Where is the hurricane guy?
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Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
Neither Darkwa nor Williams have shown skills as a short yardage back. Plus it's also a line problem. Teams don't all use John Riggins in short yardage anymore...
Andre Williams and Orleans Darkwa will be competing for a roster spot.
Williams and Rainey can go bye bye, seen enough of Williams.
Keep this kid, Jennnigs (good tutor too) for Perkins,
with Vereen and Darkwa. If Jerry can live with an UDFA,
rather than one of his draft picks, that would be great.
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Williams getting cut is now a very distinct possibility. 5th round picks are usually not a lock to make a team. Perkins not only is a lock, but the type of back that can in the mix right away. He could actually start if he shows enough early in the season or there are injuries. Darkwa and Williams should be on immediate alert, There is even an outside chance, I think, that Jennings could even be on alert. At the very list, this certainly limits the opportunity that Jennings remains here after his contract.
The problem with cutting A. Williams now is that while not even a great short yardage back, IMO, with an injured Darkwa, Jennings is the only other RB who I've seen run with power in short yardage, and Jennings has had injury problems for his entire career.
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say he can develop him and trade him later for picks like goodson
hes a smug assclown
you've really lost your goddamm mind. mad that our gm didn't fix the right side of our o-line with a fifth round pick. We have six picks and more than six needs. let the team draft talented guys, you just sit there and shut up.
I lost my mind when they picked Apple at 1 instead of an OT or a DE
then followed it up with yet ANOTHER safety at 3 , were we could gotten a OG or a DE..
are your forgetting how many Safeties we have drafted in the last 3-4 years?
christ
I was surprised they took a safety at three, agree with you on that. However, if he's good then there's nothing to complain about. You don't pass up good players at a position of need because you have Behre, Jackson, and Thompson (all coming off major injuries) on your roster...
I liked a couple of RBs more than Perkins but I can see the intrigue with him. B/B+.
I see your point, but Williams is the only power-type back on the squad. Add to that that he appears to be relatively well-liked by the staff and I have to completely disagree that he's in any jeopardy. Darkwa, however, and Jennings if his legs suddenly go, are far more likely.
Three RBs gone in first 11 picks of fifth round and all good values. Giants getting UCLA's Paul Perkins might be best pick of three though
Perkins is the most talented RB on the team now. Just think about that.
Absolutely. Sometimes a pick is also to set up next year. Jennings is on the wrong side of 30 and Vereen is third down back. The other two are basically worthless.
Good pick
Agree Robbie
Williams will be around longer than herpes!
I like the 4th and 1 against USC, where it looks like he's stopped in the backfield but he turns it into a 8 yard gain
Right now, the most questionable pick may be Thompson. But, I think this means they are willing to get rid of at least one of the 3 young safeties and/or Taylor. Some of the versatility of a couple of players, plus their picks also means we can get rid of guys like Wade. This team should have at least gone from a bottom feeder to a serious Wild Card contender overnight.
"A true short yardage back needs to have great vision and his feet need to match his eyes. I dont care how big you are."
Sounds like a description of Jonathan Williams.
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Run Versus Stanford
I like the 4th and 1 against USC, where it looks like he's stopped in the backfield but he turns it into a 8 yard gain
Check that, he turns it into a 20 yd TD
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that's a pretty bold statement right here
I have him the best possible grade for vision.
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
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How would you characterize Perkins' vision? As you know, our complaints with AW was his lack of vision
I have him the best possible grade for vision.
Excellent, thanks. That's really great to hear. We were spoiled by Tiki
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I guess the Thompson pick was the one that really pissed me off
I'm over it guys, but still not a Reese fan
RB at 5 is a good player.. worried about my boy Eli, hope Reese has a plan for a Veteran
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
I think Jerry/Hart and Newhouse can hold forte for at least a year or two if need be
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what contribution do you expect from someone in the 5th round? Bobby Hart is going to get a crack at competing for RT, and he flashed some good things last year. We got Hart in the 6th round, but it's extremely rare to expect contribution that late for OL.
Don't bother. So much stupid around here
People have a right to bitch about the OL, he hasn't done
anything to improve the OL. Please stop folks, with
the Bobby Hart parade, he would be the first late round pick
to do something here on the OL. Go look at the long list.
He failed in FA too, the only lineman from other teams at this stage of the game are scraps, not starter material.
Lets sign Louis Vazquez, LOL.
How has he done nothing with the OL. 3 years in a row he spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on the OL. Each started from day one and all 3 are still starters and helping solidify an improving and young OL. While a high pick on OL would have been nice, there was not really a guy available worthy of the 10th pick. Let's have faith that they either can add at least one decent veteran in June or Hart really is as good as some think, including their own coaches.
dont go that far back or we'll all start bitching about the Pugh pick... the RT position was what he was drafted for and most of BBI knew he was a Guard before he was picked
I like Pugh and hes a very good guard, but picked too high for what he ended up being
we would not be talking about RT at all if he was what the GM thought he was
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I wanted OL more than anyone but the talent didn't break that way for us in the draft.
The Giants have made solid picks in every round. All of them can impact this year. No shitty developmental picks or backup QBs. Can't really complain about that.
This could be another 07 draft where I wanted Staley.
On paper our defense is worlds better w FA and the draft. This could be the most talented secondary of the Reese era. Offensively the Giants need help on the right side of the OL and that's it.
I think you summed that up rather well
Great Job Jerry. Perkins & Sheppard. We need weapons.
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Wish they had some clips of him catching the ball. God, if we can cobble together a decent O-Line, we will be a friggin' offensive juggernaut this year.