is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
Well, we did sign Stingily from the Steelers... Hopefully he can challenge Newhouse in the very least... Still hoping for a move - have to believe SOMETHING is brewing with the lack of OL activity.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
McCants is a serviceable RT for the Raiders. He just signed his tender this month.
If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
You might have missed the "please limit discussion" request.
The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.
RE: RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
Hart will be the starting RT. You saw it here first.
The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.
Trade up..with what our multitude of extra picks ??
Trade down.. and get what.. an extra 4th??there is this fantasy that the Giants would get an extra 2 or 3 for trading down.. and thats what it is.. FANTASY..
yeah trade down trade down.. to WHO... who wanted to trade up..
Teams are going to add and subtract guys over the next few months so the possibility of adding a better OL guy than is here exists. If not, deal with it. Eli had his best stat year ever behind this "crappy" line and was not sacked an above average amount (ok - credit the system but it has always been an "avoid the sack" system).
Jennings had his best season ever and it was above average down the stretch.
Williams is a bust and he is responsible for failing to pick up short yards as much as the line.
I would have loved to have seen an OT in round 1 but it did not work out and the OL is not as bad as many think. If Hart can come through it gets better.
The Giants have had worse OLs over the years and you can't improve multiple units fast enough to make everyone out here happy.
I think it worked out great. Getting Apple gives us much better positional and overall improvement than the incremental increase of Conklin. Many were meh on Floyd so the secondary improvement is probably as good or better. Looking back I would bet we will say that we lucked into having to pick Apples
TE Cedrick Lang could project to tackle. He's 6'9'', 290lbs and some scouts think he is best suited to tackle. But he's very raw...former basketball player with only one year of football under his belt in college.
Milhouse couldn't be reached for comment Saturday. But Minter said he expected Milhouse to be selected in the seven-round draft.
I thought he'd go between the fifth and seventh,'' he said. But the thing with free agents is they can choose where they want to go. Greg had a relationship with the scout for the Giants. They went to church together when Greg was in middle school and high school. It's amazing how that came full circle. Greg had a lot of teams talking to him, but he decided to go with the Giants because he had a long-time friend there he can trust.''
2) This year's hot sleeper is Liberty QB Josh Woodrum.
Every year, teams try to target a late-round quarterback, a developmental prospect with a high ceiling. And the name that's come up more than any other when talking to teams this year has been Liberty's Josh Woodrum.
I have more work to do on Woodrum, as I've only seen him in one game so far, but watching him against West Virginia, I could see he's a big, strong kid with a live arm. Immediately, you can tell there's something there to work with.
I think several teams believe they're the only team on Woodrum, and there's a bit more of a crowd than they realize. He's kind of a buzz guy right now.
Draft breakdown having cut ups of players is a pretty good sign, in that they were at least scouted by someone outside of the team. KJ Maye - ( New Window )
Is that a lot of them are from smaller programs while no draft picks were from small programs. I like that they choose to "gamble" with the UDFA players.
A few of them are from major programs as well, but looking at the list it feels like they are being aggressive bringing in lesser known players scouts liked to training camp.
I like the competition this year at camp at TE, RB, WR and DB very much.
New York Giants
Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
KJ Maye WR Minnesota
Greg Milhouse DL Campbell U
Ryan Malleck TE Va Tech
Romeo Okwara DE Notre Dame
Melvin Lewis DT Kentucky
Josh Woodrum QB Liberty
Michael Hunter CB OK State
Darius Powe WR Cal
Andrew Adams S UConn
Mike Rose DE North Carolina State
Cedrick Lang TE UTEP (Basketball)
Taylor Loffler DB (Tryout)
Mercer Timmis RB (Tryout)
Brandon Revenberg OL (Tryout)
The post-draft signing frenzy brought the Giants the following players as undrafted free agents: CB Donte Deayon (Boise State), QB Josh Woodrum (Liberty), WR Roger Lewis (Bowling Green), CB Michael Hunter (Oklahoma State) WR K.J. Maye (Minnesota), DE Romeo Okwara (Notre Dame), DT Melvin Lewis (Kentucky), S Andrew Adams (UConn), TE Ryan Malleck (Virginia Tech), DT Greg Milhouse (Campbell) and WR Darius Powe (Cal)
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
MY HOPE is that with a new OL coach here (Solari?), maybe
just maybe he can work with Hart and others and get more out of them. Late round picks have done nothing with
Flaherty here. I use to like Flaherty back in the day,
glad he is gone though. A couple were 4th rounders too,
you mentioned Brewer.
OL we get as a UDFA is better than anyone on the roster. The only way well get somebody better is if we trade for Davis. Reese brought a lot of veterans in to challenge Jerry and Newhouse, but they will probably be your opening day starters.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
Decker is better in pass-protection and the difference in run-blocking between Conklin and him will be negligable in a year. I thought Decker was better than Stanley. IMHO.
OL we get as a UDFA is better than anyone on the roster. The only way well get somebody better is if we trade for Davis. Reese brought a lot of veterans in to challenge Jerry and Newhouse, but they will probably be your opening day starters.
Reese brought in 3 guys who have been primarily on
practice squads and bouncing from one organization
to another right before the draft. I mean you actually
have to play some, to be at JAG level. The guy from Cleveland started a few games, LOL.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
Decker is better in pass-protection and the difference in run-blocking between Conklin and him will be negligable in a year. I thought Decker was better than Stanley. IMHO.
Solari has helped turned UDFA into pro bowlers and gotten first rounders to live up to their potential. I know everyone knows who Brian Winters, Casey Weigmann, and Alex Boone are but they were undrafted nobodies until Solari arrived. Also Joe Staley played the best football of his career when Solari arrived as well.
Solari has helped turned UDFA into pro bowlers and gotten first rounders to live up to their potential. I know everyone knows who Brian Winters, Casey Weigmann, and Alex Boone are but they were undrafted nobodies until Solari arrived. Also Joe Staley played the best football of his career when Solari arrived as well.
Wow? Did every other team sign them all?
We don't even have enough for depth, do we?
Gotta be 1 or 2 vets out there that will be signed.
As unlikely as it seems, maybe even WB when fully healed.
Joel E. Turner @NFLAgents_net
For the record: Helva Matungulu, DL, of Western Carolina is SIGNED with the @nyjets though media outlets have incorrectly reported otherwise
I am still stunned that Andrew Adams has received so little pre-draft hype. An athletic senior safety with his interception totals should have gotten more run than Adams has throughout this process. I still think he may end up finding a fit on a roster as a third safety, a la ex-Patriot James Sanders, who had a long, fulfilling career filling in gaps and serving as a spot starter. If Reggie McClain can get picked late, I think Adams has a shot of sliding into Round 7 as well. Perhaps the Panthers, the team that gave young Robert a chance way back when, and again this past season, will select Adams, who is earning some pub as a potential sleeper pick, as well. NFL.com's Chad Reuter has projected him going in the 6th round to the Dallas Cowboys.
that Reese will go with one of these UDFA on the roster if they outplay former draft picks like Thompson, Andre Williams, etc. I can't stand it when draft position is the determining factor in keeping a player. Andre Williams has shown that he just doesn't have the vision to be a good player in the NFL. Darkwa and even Rainey are better fits for this offense IMO.
Well, we did sign Stingily from the Steelers... Hopefully he can challenge Newhouse in the very least... Still hoping for a move - have to believe SOMETHING is brewing with the lack of OL activity.
McCants is a serviceable RT for the Raiders. He just signed his tender this month.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
You might have missed the "please limit discussion" request.
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we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
Hart will be the starting RT. You saw it here first.
Trade up..with what our multitude of extra picks ??
Trade down.. and get what.. an extra 4th??there is this fantasy that the Giants would get an extra 2 or 3 for trading down.. and thats what it is.. FANTASY..
yeah trade down trade down.. to WHO... who wanted to trade up..
Jennings had his best season ever and it was above average down the stretch.
Williams is a bust and he is responsible for failing to pick up short yards as much as the line.
I would have loved to have seen an OT in round 1 but it did not work out and the OL is not as bad as many think. If Hart can come through it gets better.
The Giants have had worse OLs over the years and you can't improve multiple units fast enough to make everyone out here happy.
I thought he'd go between the fifth and seventh,'' he said. But the thing with free agents is they can choose where they want to go. Greg had a relationship with the scout for the Giants. They went to church together when Greg was in middle school and high school. It's amazing how that came full circle. Greg had a lot of teams talking to him, but he decided to go with the Giants because he had a long-time friend there he can trust.''
Milhouse, Dillon become 1st Campbell players to sign contracts with NFL teams - ( New Window )
Add UDFA DL Helva Matungulu (Western Carolina) to the list. He agreed to terms with the #Giants.
Every year, teams try to target a late-round quarterback, a developmental prospect with a high ceiling. And the name that's come up more than any other when talking to teams this year has been Liberty's Josh Woodrum.
I have more work to do on Woodrum, as I've only seen him in one game so far, but watching him against West Virginia, I could see he's a big, strong kid with a live arm. Immediately, you can tell there's something there to work with.
I think several teams believe they're the only team on Woodrum, and there's a bit more of a crowd than they realize. He's kind of a buzz guy right now.
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KJ Maye - ( New Window )
A few of them are from major programs as well, but looking at the list it feels like they are being aggressive bringing in lesser known players scouts liked to training camp.
I like the competition this year at camp at TE, RB, WR and DB very much.
Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
KJ Maye WR Minnesota
Greg Milhouse DL Campbell U
Ryan Malleck TE Va Tech
Romeo Okwara DE Notre Dame
Melvin Lewis DT Kentucky
Josh Woodrum QB Liberty
Michael Hunter CB OK State
Darius Powe WR Cal
Andrew Adams S UConn
Mike Rose DE North Carolina State
Cedrick Lang TE UTEP (Basketball)
Taylor Loffler DB (Tryout)
Mercer Timmis RB (Tryout)
Brandon Revenberg OL (Tryout)
Boise State CB Donte Deayon
Lakeland College WR Mykel Esiobu
Oklahoma State CB Michael Hunter
Kentucky DT Melvin Lewis
Bowling Green WR Roger Lewis
Minnesota WR KJ Maye
Virginia Tech TE Ryan Malleck
Campbell DT Greg Milhouse
Notre Dame DE Romeo Okwara
NC State DE Mike Rose
Notre Dame DE Ishaq Williams (tryout)
Liberty QB Josh Woodrum
Laval (Canada) University G Charles Vaillancourt (tryout)
University of Calgary (Canada) RB Mercer Timmis (tryout)
University of British Columbia (Canada) DB Taylor Loffler (tryout)
California WR Darius Powe
UTEP TE Cedric Lang
Grand Valley State OL Brandon Revenberg (tryout)
Queens University (Canada) WR Doug Corby (tryout)
MY HOPE is that with a new OL coach here (Solari?), maybe
just maybe he can work with Hart and others and get more out of them. Late round picks have done nothing with
Flaherty here. I use to like Flaherty back in the day,
glad he is gone though. A couple were 4th rounders too,
you mentioned Brewer.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
Decker is better in pass-protection and the difference in run-blocking between Conklin and him will be negligable in a year. I thought Decker was better than Stanley. IMHO.
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OL we get as a UDFA is better than anyone on the roster. The only way well get somebody better is if we trade for Davis. Reese brought a lot of veterans in to challenge Jerry and Newhouse, but they will probably be your opening day starters.
Reese brought in 3 guys who have been primarily on
practice squads and bouncing from one organization
to another right before the draft. I mean you actually
have to play some, to be at JAG level. The guy from Cleveland started a few games, LOL.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
Decker is better in pass-protection and the difference in run-blocking between Conklin and him will be negligable in a year. I thought Decker was better than Stanley. IMHO.
Good, lets see what he does here.
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But at least he has an opportunity to show his talent. This kid was talked up so much on signing day.
Congrats to former @WCU_FB DL Helva Matungulu, signed as an undrafted free agent by the New York Giants, reported by @CraigHaley of STATS.
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@KUGoldenBears
Terry Williams earns invite to @Giants rookie minicamp, beginning Friday. #GoBearsGo
Shaun
@FCSScout
Congratulations to @UCPioneers DE Nick Woodman ...he is going to minicamp with the #Giants
Shaun
@FCSScout
Congratulations to @UCPioneers DE Nick Woodman ...he is going to minicamp with the #Giants
Need bodies for minicamp. Chase Blackburn broke in the same way
We don't even have enough for depth, do we?
Gotta be 1 or 2 vets out there that will be signed.
As unlikely as it seems, maybe even WB when fully healed.
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Shaun
@FCSScout
Congratulations to @UCPioneers DE Nick Woodman ...he is going to minicamp with the #Giants
Need bodies for minicamp. Chase Blackburn broke in the same way
Blackburn was signed to replace Derek Wake, now Cameron Wake, on the roster.
Boise State CB Donte Deayon
Lakeland College WR Mykel Esiobu
Oklahoma State CB Michael Hunter
Kentucky DT Melvin Lewis
Bowling Green WR Roger Lewis
Minnesota WR KJ Maye
Virginia Tech TE Ryan Malleck
Campbell DT Greg Milhouse
Notre Dame DE Romeo Okwara
NC State DE Mike Rose
Notre Dame DE Ishaq Williams (tryout)
Liberty QB Josh Woodrum
Laval (Canada) University G Charles Vaillancourt (tryout)
University of Calgary (Canada) RB Mercer Timmis (tryout)
University of British Columbia (Canada) DB Taylor Loffler (tryout)
California WR Darius Powe
UTEP TE Cedric Lang
Grand Valley State OL Brandon Revenberg (tryout)
Queens University (Canada) WR Doug Corby (tryout)
Western Carolina DL Helva Matungulu
UMass LB/TE Kassan Messiah (tryout)
Kutztown RB Terry Williams (tryout)
For the record: Helva Matungulu, DL, of Western Carolina is SIGNED with the @nyjets though media outlets have incorrectly reported otherwise
I am still stunned that Andrew Adams has received so little pre-draft hype. An athletic senior safety with his interception totals should have gotten more run than Adams has throughout this process. I still think he may end up finding a fit on a roster as a third safety, a la ex-Patriot James Sanders, who had a long, fulfilling career filling in gaps and serving as a spot starter. If Reggie McClain can get picked late, I think Adams has a shot of sliding into Round 7 as well. Perhaps the Panthers, the team that gave young Robert a chance way back when, and again this past season, will select Adams, who is earning some pub as a potential sleeper pick, as well. NFL.com's Chad Reuter has projected him going in the 6th round to the Dallas Cowboys.
@Pg_Reinhardt
ISU's Marshaun Coprich is joining the New York Giants. Earlier information that it was the Vikings was incorrect.
Joel E. Turner
@NFLAgents_net
For the record: Helva Matungulu, DL, of Western Carolina is SIGNED with the @nyjets though media outlets have incorrectly reported otherwise
@ULCoachHud
Proud to announce OL Mykhael Quave has accepted an invitation to New York Giants mini camp!! #Giants #GeauxCajuns
He's currently on probation for selling weed to an undercover cop
He's currently on probation for selling weed to an undercover cop
He's a good signing but man did he choose the wrong team.
Giants UDFA Melvin Lewis had the 8th-best run stop rate (5.7) among draft-eligible SEC DTs
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Small at 5'8 but weighs 208 and nearly ran for 2,000 yards last season.
He's currently on probation for selling weed to an undercover cop
He's a good signing but man did he choose the wrong team.
Maybe he was...nah, too easy
Boise State CB Donte Deayon
Lakeland College WR Mykel Esiobu
Oklahoma State CB Michael Hunter
Kentucky DT Melvin Lewis
Bowling Green WR Roger Lewis
Minnesota WR KJ Maye
Virginia Tech TE Ryan Malleck
Campbell DT Greg Milhouse
Notre Dame DE Romeo Okwara
NC State DE Mike Rose
Liberty QB Josh Woodrum
California WR Darius Powe
UTEP TE/OT Cedrick Lang
llinois State RB Marshaun Coprich
Notre Dame DE Ishaq Williams (tryout)
University of British Columbia (Canada) DB Taylor Loffler (tryout)
Laval (Canada) University G Charles Vaillancourt (tryout)
University of Calgary (Canada) RB Mercer Timmis (tryout)
Grand Valley State OL Brandon Revenberg (tryout)
Queens University (Canada) WR Doug Corby (tryout)
UMass LB/TE Kassan Messiah (tryout)
Kutztown RB Terry Williams (tryout)
Utica College DE Nick Woodman (tryout)
Northwestern WR Miles Shuler (tryout)
Louisiana-Lafayette OL Mykhael Quave (tryout)