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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 4:47 pm
James Kratch & #8207;@JamesKratch 2m2 minutes ago Rutherford, NJ

Ross estimates #Giants might sign 12-15 UDFAs. Tonight, they will go after "the guys we really want."
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Here is my report for Roger Lewis:  
Sy'56 : 4/30/2016 8:05 pm : link
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Name Roger Lewis, School Bowling Green, Hgt- 6020, Wgt 199

Strong Points: Tall and long limbed receiver with a wide catch radius and long strides. Easy hands catcher. Will bring in the ball away from his body. Very good body control and balance when attacking the ball. Successful in jump ball situations. Always seems balanced and ready to alter his weight. Can shield the defender from the ball. Assertive after the catch. Will break tackles and gain the extra tough yards. Understands the game and his role very well. Smart and heady player. Good decision maker.

Weak Points: Doesnt have the speed to outrun defensive backs downfield. Lacks quickness and agility to get himself open underneath. Will struggle to separate. Limited route runner in college. Can get altered at the line for too long by press coverage. Had off field troubles in high school.

Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed. Lewis got back on track after a year of prep school and ended up finishing fifth in yards and third in touchdowns among FCS receivers this past season. Lewis has the ball skills and strength to factor in one on one situations, but will struggle to separate from NFL defensive backs. There are developmental traits here to work with but the athleticism may not be NFL-caliber.

Final Grade: 6th round

I like Woodrum  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2016 8:06 pm : link
PS guy, but he has more tools than you normally see from a Day 3 or UDFA but the amount of time to get it, if ever, was a concern. If it comes quicker than expected may give more flexibility when Nassib is a UFA
Dittoing Big Rick  
old man : 4/30/2016 8:08 pm : link
$22M. left, $16 after picks?, and NO new OL, or DL. UDFA better give at least 2 of each as well.
#12 (I think another WR?)  
Anakim : 4/30/2016 8:10 pm : link
Ω MKEL Ω
‏@MykelEsiobu
I'm going to the Giants!
Still  
PhilD : 4/30/2016 8:14 pm : link
No O Linemen
Well, we invited an O-Lineman if that counts:  
Anakim : 4/30/2016 8:16 pm : link
Former @rougeetor OT, Charles Vaillancourt has been invited to the Giants and Raiders rookie camps.
Everyone so far, other than  
JesseS : 4/30/2016 8:17 pm : link
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
RE: Well, we invited an O-Lineman if that counts:  
DCOrange : 4/30/2016 8:17 pm : link
In comment 12937912 Anakim said:
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Former @rougeetor OT, Charles Vaillancourt has been invited to the Giants and Raiders rookie camps.


Can you have too many Canadian OL?
RE: Everyone so far, other than  
TheMick7 : 4/30/2016 8:19 pm : link
In comment 12937914 JesseS said:
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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.


There's a profile on Woodrum
RE: Well, we invited an O-Lineman if that counts:  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2016 8:19 pm : link
In comment 12937912 Anakim said:
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Former @rougeetor OT, Charles Vaillancourt has been invited to the Giants and Raiders rookie camps.


Brother of Vicky and brother-in-law of Bobby Boucher? :)
RE: Everyone so far, other than  
DCOrange : 4/30/2016 8:21 pm : link
In comment 12937914 JesseS said:
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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.


Yup - not a lot of potential sleepers here. Lewis was ok at Kentucky before he got hurt. Lewis played in a WR friendly system and faded. Also did nothing against TN - the one big time program he faced. Malleck could stick as practice squad as TEs are underwhelming. People seem to like Maye - I have not seen him so cannot comment.
OT, Charles Vaillancourt  
Dave in VA : 4/30/2016 8:22 pm : link
is 6.6, 325
Quote from Rotoworld Calgary senior G Charles Vaillancourt will play in the East-West Shrine Game.
Vaillancourt ranks No. 6 on the latest CFL Scouting Bureau list. Per CFL.ca, he is currently considered the second-best CIS prospect behind Manitoba nose tackle David Onyemata, who will also play in the Shrine Game. The 6-foot-4, 325-pound Vaillancourt was named an all-Canadian pick every year he was on campus. "Charles is fully deserving of this honour," said Rouge et Or head coach Glen Constantin. "He was one of the most recruited offensive linemen across the country out of CEGEP, after he was named lineman of the year in 2011. He earned the starting job at guard right away on a very good line comprised of many veterans, including three who later became first-round selections in the CFL draft."
RE: RE: Everyone so far, other than  
DCOrange : 4/30/2016 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12937918 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 12937914 JesseS said:


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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.



There's a profile on Woodrum


He's terrible - training camp arm.
RE: Everyone so far, other than  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 12937914 JesseS said:
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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.


Actually, I'm finding Nawrocki has good write-ups on most of the guys I've looked up so far.
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 8:24 pm : link
NFL.com has write-ups on many
tryout only  
YANKEE28 : 4/30/2016 8:29 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 4m4 minutes ago
Notre Dame (and Lincoln HS) DE Ishaq Williams will be at Giants rookie camp next weekend as a tryout player.
RE: RE: RE: Everyone so far, other than  
TheMick7 : 4/30/2016 8:32 pm : link
In comment 12937925 DCOrange said:
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In comment 12937918 TheMick7 said:


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In comment 12937914 JesseS said:


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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.



There's a profile on Woodrum



He's terrible - training camp arm.


I guess you've watched all of the Liberty games to make that comment!
Mike Rose had 15 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks last season.  
Ira : 4/30/2016 8:40 pm : link
He ran a 4.67 40 on his pro day while weighing 261 lbs.
RE: They have to have a deal  
KeoweeFan : 4/30/2016 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12937865 Big Rick in FL said:
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For on OT. I just find it so odd they didn't draft & haven't signed one OL so far.

I agree, but even if you got a stud lined up that no one knows about, why would you by design, NOT add an UDFA OL?
Ross said they are taking 50% more UDFAs this year.
FYI  
YANKEE28 : 4/30/2016 8:49 pm : link
Teams are given a pool of dollars (its about $100,000 this year) for the signing of UDFAs.

The largest I have seen so far for one player is $20,000 to Avery Young the Auburn OT who went to the N.O. Saints.

Craziest I have seen is the Eagles, who signed a long snapper for a $12,500 signing bonus, and also guaranteed $15,000 of his salary

I have no info on the Giants signing bonuses to these players
RE: Here is my report for Roger Lewis:  
shyster : 4/30/2016 8:50 pm : link
In comment 12937894 Sy'56 said:
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Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed.


With respect, not accurate. "Dismissed" means a charge is negated by a judge's ruling that it is insufficient to go to a jury.

Lewis' rape charges did go to a jury. He was found not guilty on one charge and the jury hung on the other. Both involved same alleged victim.

Rather than pursue a re-trial, prosecution offered deal for Lewis to plead guilty to making a false statement in an official proceeding, a misdemeanor. He did and got three years probation on that charge.
Darius Powe WR Cal  
Dave in VA : 4/30/2016 8:52 pm : link
is on that website provided above for UDFAs ..4.4 in the 40..17 reps...6'3'' tall
Another FYI on signing bonus vs NFL success  
YANKEE28 : 4/30/2016 9:05 pm : link
Last year the Giants paid 6 of the UDFAs they got to a signing bonus:

Sean Donnelly OT $15,000
Akeem Hunt RB $12,500
Matt LaCosse TE $10,000
Brad Harrah DE $ 5,000
Justin Currie S $ 5,000
Cole Ferrand LB $ 5,000

Only LaCosse and Currie are still Giants, as are 3 guys who got NO signing bonus

Will Tye
Brad Bars
Ben Edwards

So amount of signing bonus not much of a guide to measure success
good  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 9:07 pm : link
write up on Mike Rose...
http://nflmocks.com/2015/11/18/nfl-draft-sleeper-n-c-state-pass-rusher-mike-rose/ - ( New Window )
A  
gogiants : 4/30/2016 9:10 pm : link
list of signings. DT Wucjiak went to Eagles
List of signings - ( New Window )
Really amazing that no OL have been signed.  
yatqb : 4/30/2016 9:12 pm : link
Hope it means something good.
Fuck - Oachi to BAL  
Jim Burt64 : 4/30/2016 9:15 pm : link
hoped we would give my Alumn & local kid a roll
RE: Fuck - Oachi to BAL  
yatqb : 4/30/2016 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12937989 Jim Burt64 said:
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hoped we would give my Alumn & local kid a roll


A 3-4 team is a better fit for him.
We should sign Mike Caputo  
adambear : 4/30/2016 9:21 pm : link
to compete at SS
confirmed  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2016 9:22 pm : link
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 39m39 minutes ago

Darius Powe WR Cal is signing with #Giants
RE: RE: Fuck - Oachi to BAL  
JPinstripes : 4/30/2016 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12937995 yatqb said:
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In comment 12937989 Jim Burt64 said:


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hoped we would give my Alumn & local kid a roll




A 3-4 team is a better fit for him.


Baltimore did a nice job in the draft, I prefer they don't have picks a few spots in front on the Giants.
RE: Really amazing that no OL have been signed.  
Jim Burt64 : 4/30/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12937985 yatqb said:
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Hope it means something good.


Agreed - eerily quiet on the OT front.. hope something is brewing.
RE: confirmed  
Amtoft : 4/30/2016 9:45 pm : link
In comment 12938000 Eric from BBI said:
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Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 39m39 minutes ago

Darius Powe WR Cal is signing with #Giants


He was playing out of position as an inside big WR (TE in most offenses) for Cal behind Stephen Anderson. Cal had 5 SR WRs and JR Kenny Lawler last year so his stats weren't big. I never trusted his hands, but is strong and runs well although not shifty.
We signed 4 wide receivers (and drafted another 1) and no O-Linemen?  
Anakim : 4/30/2016 9:45 pm : link
Haha, wow
.  
Anakim : 4/30/2016 9:46 pm : link
James Kratch ‏@JamesKratch
4 Canadian players to #Giants rookie camp, per @JDunk12: OL Charles Vaillancourt, DB Taylor Loffler, RB Mercer Timmi, OL Brandon Revenberg.
No  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 9:54 pm : link
OL we get as a UDFA is better than anyone on the roster. The only way well get somebody better is if we trade for Davis. Reese brought a lot of veterans in to challenge Jerry and Newhouse, but they will probably be your opening day starters.

Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
From James Kratch  
Saos1n : 4/30/2016 9:58 pm : link
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#Giants have signed UTEP TE Cedrick Lang, a converted basketball player, to UDFA deal per source.


6'9"
Tunsil  
AcidTest : 4/30/2016 10:02 pm : link
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
RE: Cajuste went to the  
Mark from Jersey : 4/30/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12937877 Bill in UT said:
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9'ers
Damn. He was from NY but guess he likes it better out West. That or the Giants had no interest.
RE: Tunsil  
Jim Burt64 : 4/30/2016 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12938061 AcidTest said:
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is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.


Well, we did sign Stingily from the Steelers... Hopefully he can challenge Newhouse in the very least... Still hoping for a move - have to believe SOMETHING is brewing with the lack of OL activity.
Davis probably isn't the only  
Phil in LA : 4/30/2016 10:31 pm : link
OL we could trade for to fix things.
RE: Tunsil  
Mason : 4/30/2016 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12938061 AcidTest said:
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is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.


McCants is a serviceable RT for the Raiders. He just signed his tender this month.
If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs  
yatqb : 4/30/2016 10:33 pm : link
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs  
Jim Burt64 : 4/30/2016 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12938091 yatqb said:
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we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.


Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
RE: Tunsil  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/30/2016 10:43 pm : link
In comment 12938061 AcidTest said:
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is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.

You might have missed the "please limit discussion" request.
The right side of the line is a mess  
The_Taxman : 4/30/2016 10:47 pm : link
The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.
RE: RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs  
Johnny5 : 4/30/2016 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12938097 Jim Burt64 said:
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In comment 12938091 yatqb said:


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we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.



Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.

Hart will be the starting RT. You saw it here first.
RE: The right side of the line is a mess  
blueblood : 4/30/2016 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12938101 The_Taxman said:
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The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.


Trade up..with what our multitude of extra picks ??

Trade down.. and get what.. an extra 4th??there is this fantasy that the Giants would get an extra 2 or 3 for trading down.. and thats what it is.. FANTASY..

yeah trade down trade down.. to WHO... who wanted to trade up..
OL  
DCOrange : 4/30/2016 11:14 pm : link
Teams are going to add and subtract guys over the next few months so the possibility of adding a better OL guy than is here exists. If not, deal with it. Eli had his best stat year ever behind this "crappy" line and was not sacked an above average amount (ok - credit the system but it has always been an "avoid the sack" system).

Jennings had his best season ever and it was above average down the stretch.

Williams is a bust and he is responsible for failing to pick up short yards as much as the line.

I would have loved to have seen an OT in round 1 but it did not work out and the OL is not as bad as many think. If Hart can come through it gets better.

The Giants have had worse OLs over the years and you can't improve multiple units fast enough to make everyone out here happy.
Go bitch about the O-line on another thread  
BurlyMan : 4/30/2016 11:38 pm : link
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