Name Roger Lewis, School Bowling Green, Hgt- 6020, Wgt 199
Strong Points: Tall and long limbed receiver with a wide catch radius and long strides. Easy hands catcher. Will bring in the ball away from his body. Very good body control and balance when attacking the ball. Successful in jump ball situations. Always seems balanced and ready to alter his weight. Can shield the defender from the ball. Assertive after the catch. Will break tackles and gain the extra tough yards. Understands the game and his role very well. Smart and heady player. Good decision maker.
Weak Points: Doesnt have the speed to outrun defensive backs downfield. Lacks quickness and agility to get himself open underneath. Will struggle to separate. Limited route runner in college. Can get altered at the line for too long by press coverage. Had off field troubles in high school.
Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed. Lewis got back on track after a year of prep school and ended up finishing fifth in yards and third in touchdowns among FCS receivers this past season. Lewis has the ball skills and strength to factor in one on one situations, but will struggle to separate from NFL defensive backs. There are developmental traits here to work with but the athleticism may not be NFL-caliber.
PS guy, but he has more tools than you normally see from a Day 3 or UDFA but the amount of time to get it, if ever, was a concern. If it comes quicker than expected may give more flexibility when Nassib is a UFA
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
Yup - not a lot of potential sleepers here. Lewis was ok at Kentucky before he got hurt. Lewis played in a WR friendly system and faded. Also did nothing against TN - the one big time program he faced. Malleck could stick as practice squad as TEs are underwhelming. People seem to like Maye - I have not seen him so cannot comment.
is 6.6, 325
Quote from Rotoworld Calgary senior G Charles Vaillancourt will play in the East-West Shrine Game.
Vaillancourt ranks No. 6 on the latest CFL Scouting Bureau list. Per CFL.ca, he is currently considered the second-best CIS prospect behind Manitoba nose tackle David Onyemata, who will also play in the Shrine Game. The 6-foot-4, 325-pound Vaillancourt was named an all-Canadian pick every year he was on campus. "Charles is fully deserving of this honour," said Rouge et Or head coach Glen Constantin. "He was one of the most recruited offensive linemen across the country out of CEGEP, after he was named lineman of the year in 2011. He earned the starting job at guard right away on a very good line comprised of many veterans, including three who later became first-round selections in the CFL draft."
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
Actually, I'm finding Nawrocki has good write-ups on most of the guys I've looked up so far.
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 4m4 minutes ago
Notre Dame (and Lincoln HS) DE Ishaq Williams will be at Giants rookie camp next weekend as a tryout player.
Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
There's a profile on Woodrum
He's terrible - training camp arm.
I guess you've watched all of the Liberty games to make that comment!
Mike Rose had 15 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks last season.
For on OT. I just find it so odd they didn't draft & haven't signed one OL so far.
I agree, but even if you got a stud lined up that no one knows about, why would you by design, NOT add an UDFA OL?
Ross said they are taking 50% more UDFAs this year.
Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed.
With respect, not accurate. "Dismissed" means a charge is negated by a judge's ruling that it is insufficient to go to a jury.
Lewis' rape charges did go to a jury. He was found not guilty on one charge and the jury hung on the other. Both involved same alleged victim.
Rather than pursue a re-trial, prosecution offered deal for Lewis to plead guilty to making a false statement in an official proceeding, a misdemeanor. He did and got three years probation on that charge.
He was playing out of position as an inside big WR (TE in most offenses) for Cal behind Stephen Anderson. Cal had 5 SR WRs and JR Kenny Lawler last year so his stats weren't big. I never trusted his hands, but is strong and runs well although not shifty.
We signed 4 wide receivers (and drafted another 1) and no O-Linemen?
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4 Canadian players to #Giants rookie camp, per @JDunk12: OL Charles Vaillancourt, DB Taylor Loffler, RB Mercer Timmi, OL Brandon Revenberg.
OL we get as a UDFA is better than anyone on the roster. The only way well get somebody better is if we trade for Davis. Reese brought a lot of veterans in to challenge Jerry and Newhouse, but they will probably be your opening day starters.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
Well, we did sign Stingily from the Steelers... Hopefully he can challenge Newhouse in the very least... Still hoping for a move - have to believe SOMETHING is brewing with the lack of OL activity.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
McCants is a serviceable RT for the Raiders. He just signed his tender this month.
If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
is of course only secondarily responsible for why we dont have a RT. Reese and Ross are primarily responsible, since none of their day three OL ever produced anything. Petrus and Herman were admittedly guards. But at least one of Brewer, McCants, or Mosley should have become a serviceable RT. The player most likely to supplant Newhouse this year is Hart, a seventh round pick in his second year. We shouldnt have to count on that happening.
You might have missed the "please limit discussion" request.
The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.
RE: RE: If we're counting on Stingily or Rodgers as our backup OTs
we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
Hart will be the starting RT. You saw it here first.
The Titans trading up killed us. Theres no doubt in my mind Conklin was our pick at 10. The Tunsil bullshit contributed to us not getting Conklin but Reese has to shoulder some blame for his hesitance to trade up or down. And also letting it be known we wanted Conklin or Floyd. I think the Floyd leaks could've been a smoke screen to make teams think Conklin wasn't pur pick. Either way, we are screwed on the o-line. The left side is fine with Flowers, Pugh and Richburg. But we can't go into the year starting both Jerry and Newhouse who are both decent backups but below average starters.
Trade up..with what our multitude of extra picks ??
Trade down.. and get what.. an extra 4th??there is this fantasy that the Giants would get an extra 2 or 3 for trading down.. and thats what it is.. FANTASY..
yeah trade down trade down.. to WHO... who wanted to trade up..
Teams are going to add and subtract guys over the next few months so the possibility of adding a better OL guy than is here exists. If not, deal with it. Eli had his best stat year ever behind this "crappy" line and was not sacked an above average amount (ok - credit the system but it has always been an "avoid the sack" system).
Jennings had his best season ever and it was above average down the stretch.
Williams is a bust and he is responsible for failing to pick up short yards as much as the line.
I would have loved to have seen an OT in round 1 but it did not work out and the OL is not as bad as many think. If Hart can come through it gets better.
The Giants have had worse OLs over the years and you can't improve multiple units fast enough to make everyone out here happy.
Strong Points: Tall and long limbed receiver with a wide catch radius and long strides. Easy hands catcher. Will bring in the ball away from his body. Very good body control and balance when attacking the ball. Successful in jump ball situations. Always seems balanced and ready to alter his weight. Can shield the defender from the ball. Assertive after the catch. Will break tackles and gain the extra tough yards. Understands the game and his role very well. Smart and heady player. Good decision maker.
Weak Points: Doesnt have the speed to outrun defensive backs downfield. Lacks quickness and agility to get himself open underneath. Will struggle to separate. Limited route runner in college. Can get altered at the line for too long by press coverage. Had off field troubles in high school.
Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed. Lewis got back on track after a year of prep school and ended up finishing fifth in yards and third in touchdowns among FCS receivers this past season. Lewis has the ball skills and strength to factor in one on one situations, but will struggle to separate from NFL defensive backs. There are developmental traits here to work with but the athleticism may not be NFL-caliber.
Final Grade: 6th round
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I'm going to the Giants!
Can you have too many Canadian OL?
There's a profile on Woodrum
Brother of Vicky and brother-in-law of Bobby Boucher? :)
Yup - not a lot of potential sleepers here. Lewis was ok at Kentucky before he got hurt. Lewis played in a WR friendly system and faded. Also did nothing against TN - the one big time program he faced. Malleck could stick as practice squad as TEs are underwhelming. People seem to like Maye - I have not seen him so cannot comment.
Quote from Rotoworld Calgary senior G Charles Vaillancourt will play in the East-West Shrine Game.
Vaillancourt ranks No. 6 on the latest CFL Scouting Bureau list. Per CFL.ca, he is currently considered the second-best CIS prospect behind Manitoba nose tackle David Onyemata, who will also play in the Shrine Game. The 6-foot-4, 325-pound Vaillancourt was named an all-Canadian pick every year he was on campus. "Charles is fully deserving of this honour," said Rouge et Or head coach Glen Constantin. "He was one of the most recruited offensive linemen across the country out of CEGEP, after he was named lineman of the year in 2011. He earned the starting job at guard right away on a very good line comprised of many veterans, including three who later became first-round selections in the CFL draft."
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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
There's a profile on Woodrum
He's terrible - training camp arm.
Actually, I'm finding Nawrocki has good write-ups on most of the guys I've looked up so far.
Notre Dame (and Lincoln HS) DE Ishaq Williams will be at Giants rookie camp next weekend as a tryout player.
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Okwara, have the minimum grade from my Ourlads guide (that means no scouting report was even written on them). Okwara, however, they pegged for the 5th, 6th round and called him an "ascending talent". I'll update profiles of any guys who sign that are above that cutoff.
There's a profile on Woodrum
He's terrible - training camp arm.
I guess you've watched all of the Liberty games to make that comment!
I agree, but even if you got a stud lined up that no one knows about, why would you by design, NOT add an UDFA OL?
Ross said they are taking 50% more UDFAs this year.
The largest I have seen so far for one player is $20,000 to Avery Young the Auburn OT who went to the N.O. Saints.
Craziest I have seen is the Eagles, who signed a long snapper for a $12,500 signing bonus, and also guaranteed $15,000 of his salary
I have no info on the Giants signing bonuses to these players
Summary: Third year junior entry. Has come a long way since his days as a high school senior where he was being charged with rape on two different accounts. Both were dismissed.
With respect, not accurate. "Dismissed" means a charge is negated by a judge's ruling that it is insufficient to go to a jury.
Lewis' rape charges did go to a jury. He was found not guilty on one charge and the jury hung on the other. Both involved same alleged victim.
Rather than pursue a re-trial, prosecution offered deal for Lewis to plead guilty to making a false statement in an official proceeding, a misdemeanor. He did and got three years probation on that charge.
Sean Donnelly OT $15,000
Akeem Hunt RB $12,500
Matt LaCosse TE $10,000
Brad Harrah DE $ 5,000
Justin Currie S $ 5,000
Cole Ferrand LB $ 5,000
Only LaCosse and Currie are still Giants, as are 3 guys who got NO signing bonus
Will Tye
Brad Bars
Ben Edwards
So amount of signing bonus not much of a guide to measure success
http://nflmocks.com/2015/11/18/nfl-draft-sleeper-n-c-state-pass-rusher-mike-rose/ - ( New Window )
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A 3-4 team is a better fit for him.
Darius Powe WR Cal is signing with #Giants
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hoped we would give my Alumn & local kid a roll
A 3-4 team is a better fit for him.
Baltimore did a nice job in the draft, I prefer they don't have picks a few spots in front on the Giants.
Agreed - eerily quiet on the OT front.. hope something is brewing.
Darius Powe WR Cal is signing with #Giants
He was playing out of position as an inside big WR (TE in most offenses) for Cal behind Stephen Anderson. Cal had 5 SR WRs and JR Kenny Lawler last year so his stats weren't big. I never trusted his hands, but is strong and runs well although not shifty.
4 Canadian players to #Giants rookie camp, per @JDunk12: OL Charles Vaillancourt, DB Taylor Loffler, RB Mercer Timmi, OL Brandon Revenberg.
Not getting Conklin really messed up the OL. He was the only rookie who could have started at RT. Anyone else would need a year behind Newhouse. Tunsil cost himself $7M. He also cost us a RT. If that doesnt happen, Tennessee probably trades up for him, not Conklin. Then we get a RT.
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Well, we did sign Stingily from the Steelers... Hopefully he can challenge Newhouse in the very least... Still hoping for a move - have to believe SOMETHING is brewing with the lack of OL activity.
McCants is a serviceable RT for the Raiders. He just signed his tender this month.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
You might have missed the "please limit discussion" request.
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we're in trouble. Pugh can slide there, and Hart might be able to play there, but damn that's thin. And I don't see any backup OGs who knock my socks off either.
Good point - Pugh moving to RT. May be better luck finding/trading for a G vs OT.
Hart will be the starting RT. You saw it here first.
Trade up..with what our multitude of extra picks ??
Trade down.. and get what.. an extra 4th??there is this fantasy that the Giants would get an extra 2 or 3 for trading down.. and thats what it is.. FANTASY..
yeah trade down trade down.. to WHO... who wanted to trade up..
Jennings had his best season ever and it was above average down the stretch.
Williams is a bust and he is responsible for failing to pick up short yards as much as the line.
I would have loved to have seen an OT in round 1 but it did not work out and the OL is not as bad as many think. If Hart can come through it gets better.
The Giants have had worse OLs over the years and you can't improve multiple units fast enough to make everyone out here happy.