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chiefmps : 4/30/2016 11:40 pm
What happen? Are there major concerns for this Giants offensive line? YES! Did the Giants do anything to address this problem with the offensive line? NO. One can not blame Jones or Newhouse, they were never meant to be starters, so what happen? Also, Damon Harrison will help the Giants defense in stopping the running but won't be much of a factor in harnessing the QB. Teams must have a defensive tackle that can help puss the pocket back so that the rest of the defense can get after the QB, sorry, just another factor that was not address in the draft and should have been. So what happens next? Let's just hope that the Giants try to fix these problems and fast.
Seriously  
giantgiantfan : 4/30/2016 11:43 pm : link
defense sucked, we used 3 of our first 4 picks on defense. Had we gone offensive line your thread would be saying we neglected CB, WR, FS, or LB...
Please proofread before posting  
Ivan15 : 4/30/2016 11:44 pm : link
But thanks for this excellent review.
too bad the Giants didnt have  
blueblood : 4/30/2016 11:45 pm : link
25 picks in the draft to fix every issue on the team..
DT that can penetrate  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2016 11:59 pm : link
thats Hankins
again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/1/2016 12:04 am : link
the moment when Giants fans realizes there are more holes than draft picks.
RE: again  
chopperhatch : 5/1/2016 1:02 am : link
In comment 12938178 Eric from BBI said:
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the moment when Giants fans realizes there are more holes than draft picks.


Eric, some people never get it.
Eric and chopper, I agree with both of you.  
yatqb : 5/1/2016 1:15 am : link
BUT, if Reese had hit on more mid-round guys we might already have better depth and actually be able trade some picks for future picks or extra picks later in the current year's draft. Wouldn't it be nice to have 10 picks once in a while like some teams do? Perhaps even an extra #1 or 2 once in a blue moon? Sometimes it feels like we're running in place.

I'm thankful that Reese made the cap space he did this year, as it allowed us to make a real haul in FA and significantly improve the team. But again, hitting on some mid-round picks who become cheap starters can allow for that year after year.
Some valid concerns - hopefully the Giants aren't done yet.  
Ira : 5/1/2016 4:30 am : link
But we have a better team than we had last season.
While  
mushroom : 5/1/2016 6:32 am : link
it would have been nice to get a RT the oline will be better than last year. With health and experience Flowers should improve and along with Pugh and Richburg begin to jell . Jerry is adequate particularly in pass blocking.With the left side jelling we then can scheme to help the right side. The FB from the Steelers is an upgrade and will also help blocking. Heck even the TE drafted can potentially be a blocking upgrade. Who knows the new staff my view Hart as having RT tackle potential It's not ideal but not as dire as some think.
As for the DL, with at least four good dlineman it will be harder for opposing teams to roll protection and Hankins will be back.
You can't force picks particularly if there is a wide difference in grades between given players.
Like Eric has repeatedly said there are many holes on this team.
There was no way,  
Doomster : 5/1/2016 8:24 am : link
the New York Football Giants were going to fix every problem on this team in one season......

The first step, it to become a contender....you don't have three straight losing seasons and then become a SB champion...

With a new HC, OC and all the new players, there will be growing pains.....but by the end of this season, if this team comes together, the NFC Least is there for the taking, and there will be an end to this playoff drought....

As for the OL, I'm sure Reese is not done.....someone's castoffs may be better than what we have, or there is always the possibility of a trade....
Eric...  
chiefmps : 5/1/2016 8:45 am : link
Eric I know that this is your site but that was just plain wrong. "The moment when Giants fans realizes there are more holes than draft picks". No kidding. However, with that being said, the facts are the facts. Since no effort was made to address the offensive line need in the free agent market something should have been done at the draft. Sure there is nothing wrong with Perkins or Adams, "A good athlete for the position with below-average blocking ability and struggles with contested catches. Athleticism got Adams drafted". As for Apple there are a number of question about drafting him at that spot. From the fifth round down there was: Westerman, Dehl, Drango, Trenola, Murphy and Alexander. The picks were there Eric and the Giants had a chance to address this need in the free agent market but in both cases did nothing. This is the true moment when every Giants fan should realize that picks should be used on the more urgent need of the team! Perkins and Adams mite help but without a good offensive line I see another 8 and 8 year.
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micky : 5/1/2016 8:49 am : link
In comment 12938210 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 12938178 Eric from BBI said:


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the moment when Giants fans realizes there are more holes than draft picks.



Eric, some people never get it.


Exactly!
A contrary opinion  
Colin@gbn : 5/1/2016 11:05 am : link
The thing about the sports in that one never knows until they actually play the games but let me offer a somewhat different take. The Giants really don't have any holes left, if by holes one means positions or issues that if aren't preclude one from winning. No question the Giants still want to upgrade the right side of the OL and my understanding is that the plan all along for the OL has been to upgrade thru free agency or possibly a trade. Indeed, McAdoo has an interesting quote in his third day presser when he said something along that the off-season 'has barely started' (or something along those lines). Worst case scenario you play with the guys you have who you played the whole season with last year when the offense was 6th in the league in scoring and 4th in fewest sacks allowed.

In fact, my source (who actually has the sources) tells me that the Giants were never ever going to take an OL in the early rounds this week and especially not in the first. They weren't going to take either Stanley or Tunsil who are both pure LTs and despite the buzz about Conklin were never going to use a top 10 pick on a pure RT. In fact, they went into the draft looking to add two of an edge rusher, receiver and corner in the the first two rounds. And once Floyd was gone they never got a look at another edge rusher worth a pick.

At the same time, my understanding is that even with the addition of Shepard and Apple they would also still like to add another veteran WR, especially one with a bit of size, plus another veteran corner, but otherwise they actually look like they are in pretty good shape going forward and its more up to the players to stay healthy and play to their ability.
'that preclude one from winning'...  
Torrag : 5/1/2016 11:10 am : link
No one knows what will or won't derail your team. Both points of view are valid regarding the state of the right side of the Giants line.

What is certain is that the talent level there is subpar. It certainly could prevent this offense from reaching it's potential. Teams that don't fulfill their potential rarely win.

I was going to disagree outright with Colin  
Bill L : 5/1/2016 11:21 am : link
But I'll temper that based on his last paragraph.

I still think that an outside WR is a glaring and fatal hole. Other than that, I'm okay with this team as it stands.
RE: Eric and chopper, I agree with both of you.  
Bill L : 5/1/2016 11:24 am : link
In comment 12938213 yatqb said:
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BUT, if Reese had hit on more mid-round guys we might already have better depth and actually be able trade some picks for future picks or extra picks later in the current year's draft. Wouldn't it be nice to have 10 picks once in a while like some teams do? Perhaps even an extra #1 or 2 once in a blue moon? Sometimes it feels like we're running in place.

I'm thankful that Reese made the cap space he did this year, as it allowed us to make a real haul in FA and significantly improve the team. But again, hitting on some mid-round picks who become cheap starters can allow for that year after year.
imsuppose it depends on how good and perhaps uniquely perceptive your personnel guys are, but all things being equal I would prefer to have fewer better guys than more lesser guys.

I've often wonder how, over time, teams would do if they bundled their 4-7 picks to get an extra pick in the 1-3 range and then called it quits for the day.
RE: again  
Enzo : 5/1/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 12938178 Eric from BBI said:
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the moment when Giants fans realizes there are more holes than draft picks.

when your GM has had a poor drafting record and NEVER trades down, this is always going to be the case.
PS  
Colin@gbn : 5/1/2016 12:53 pm : link
Here is the actual quote from McAdoo from yesterday's presser which I thought was rather telling. When asked about theright side of the OL he answered "The right side of the offensive line, the story is yet to be written on the right side of the offensive line. We’re just starting the 2016 offseason. We’re going to look at every possible combination, give guys a chance to compete, and see where it goes from there. It’s still early."
RE: Eric and chopper, I agree with both of you.  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12938213 yatqb said:
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BUT, if Reese had hit on more mid-round guys we might already have better depth and actually be able trade some picks for future picks or extra picks later in the current year's draft. Wouldn't it be nice to have 10 picks once in a while like some teams do? Perhaps even an extra #1 or 2 once in a blue moon? Sometimes it feels like we're running in place.

I'm thankful that Reese made the cap space he did this year, as it allowed us to make a real haul in FA and significantly improve the team. But again, hitting on some mid-round picks who become cheap starters can allow for that year after year.


+ 1

We can all agree it's killed them

What a boost if Odi and Bromley can make an impact. Not sure, as of now, who is really giving that right side any competition for reps which is scary.
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