Know less about sports then most of us idiots here. That is a fact. I used to do some work for Sport Magazine as I was shocked how little sportswriters knew about what they were covering.
Write up. Not being a homer here, but this guy seemed like he was pressed for a deadline and just threw something together.
Every word I'm hearing is that Jacks knee is degenerative and bound to fall apart,yet they give JAX an A? Great job Bert Hubbuch, you just lost a reader you never had.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
Jinx!
Eric, I graduated college with a degree in English....I would live the responsibility of doing what these guys do. I would be bitching about camps my editor wouldn't allow me to go to. I would LOVE to cover the draft.
They do the same thing half the people (or more) out here do
They look at a top 100/200 list and assume the higher a guy is on that list the better the pick. Like when the BBI expert loves 2nd round value for a 6th round pick. If a guy is passed over by the whole league until the 6th round he is not 2nd round value for any one other than the magazine the expert is reading. Draft grades do not consider runs on positions - which the Giants helped start in round on, actual needs and the opinions of what is on the roster that other than those that have played (e.g., the multiple safeties on the Giants roster that coaches/management know more about than anyone else since they have not played).
Sort of like the guys who lists best available day three picks by crossing off a guides top 200. Reporters don't know crap about most of these guys.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
Prisco gave them a B, but Rang gave them a C. Somehow, Rang thought the Cowboys passing on the draft's best player in the 1st round and using a high 2nd round pick on a guy who might never play a down was worthy of a "B". I guess some people couldn't wrap their minds around Apple being the pick, despite most of them acknowledging his upside.
Prisco and Jon Beason were upset that the Giants didn't take
Myles Jack and got scared off Tunsil. If you watch their video podcast Beason was really upset. Said that Jack was perfect for them and he believed that drafting him would allow the team to get back to the playoffs because he felt the team was close with all their signings. LOL, he said they actually spent money on defense which is rare for them.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
I heard Graziano on Michael Kay's show this week - all he did was bitch about covering the draft. Go work at the DMV if covering the NFL is such a hardship.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Apparently trading up in the 4th round to take a backup QB when you already have your franchise QB is okay now and seen as a great move. Even when you just drafted your franchise QB in the last two years.
Most of the NYP's draft grades look accurate to me
It's always hard to judge your own team, s I won't comment on the Giants grade.
But the Cowboys got a C and the Eagles a C+. Jags an A for getting Ramsey and Jack. Those seem right to me.
But ultimately, who cares, because the grades are meaningless. David Wilson and Reuben Randle were ballyhooed as great picks. How did that turn out? JPP was panned by most. So grades mean very little.
RE: Most of the NYP's draft grades look accurate to me
It's always hard to judge your own team, s I won't comment on the Giants grade.
But the Cowboys got a C and the Eagles a C+. Jags an A for getting Ramsey and Jack. Those seem right to me.
But ultimately, who cares, because the grades are meaningless. David Wilson and Reuben Randle were ballyhooed as great picks. How did that turn out? JPP was panned by most. So grades mean very little.
a guy with a degenerative knee going in the 2nd seems right? Okay. Another Vanzetti special.
Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
I heard Graziano on Michael Kay's show this week - all he did was bitch about covering the draft. Go work at the DMV if covering the NFL is such a hardship.
Graziano bitches about covering the Giants. He doesn't hide his hatred of the organization. Even ESPN NY Rosenberg said he doesn't put any stock in Graziano reporting and told him on his radio show.
the draft can only be considered a "Giant" failure.
A talent like Tunsil drops and they were timid and paralyzed.
I think the brilliance of OBJ coupled with Eli has made them look for "safe " picks with high basements traded for high ceilings and potential.
All the picks are safe, no character defects, great work ethics, Capt. types who probably will be "all that they can be".
Against that they froze when Tunsil dropped . This was not just another player, this is a guy who was rated the highest player in years at a postion of critical need. The film is old, the only relavant factor is that the kids never failed a drug test and never been in trouble.
It is going to be tough to call this draft a failure if the Giants go deep into the playoffs next year...and I think they might. But it won't matter, they missed a once in lifetime opportunity and the draft has to be viewed as a monumental failure.
However, this completely moronic sentence completely invalidates their opinion: "Reese panicked and overdrafted Apple, a fringe first-round prospect who didn't address a pressing need on a roster littered with them."
A "fringe" first round prospect? Anyone who thinks he was a fringe first rounder is a buffoon. You don't have to like the pick, but using that word is ridiculous.
the draft can only be considered a "Giant" failure.
A talent like Tunsil drops and they were timid and paralyzed.
I think the brilliance of OBJ coupled with Eli has made them look for "safe " picks with high basements traded for high ceilings and potential.
All the picks are safe, no character defects, great work ethics, Capt. types who probably will be "all that they can be".
Against that they froze when Tunsil dropped . This was not just another player, this is a luckiness rated the highest player in years at a postion of critical need. The film is old, the only relavant factor is that the kids never failed a drug test and never been in trouble.
It is going to be tough to call this draft a failure if the Giants go deep into the playoffs next year...and I think they might. But it won't matter, they missed a once in lifetime opportunity and the draft has to be viewed as a monumental failure.
You're a loser with the rest of the Floyd cult. I almost didn't respond because I wanted to ignore the troll, but you're a fucking tool of the first degree. Seriously, I have not once seen you post anything intelligent yet. Just shuttup loser.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
at this stage to grant a C. Especially with the comment that someone trades up ahead of us means we did worse for some reason. I guess Rams and Eagles should be the best then since they traded up into #1 and #2 over everybody.
grade is by those that insist that the Giants had all their chips in on Conklin and Floyd. Making claims that the Giants panicked when they picked Apple. They don't want to accept that the Giants liked Apple over Hargreaves.
I think both players were ranked close. The Giants chose Apple's athletic ability over the slight edge Hargreaves had in skills that are coachable.
Writers don't seem to want to admit that maybe they were way off on where they'd been ranking Apple for the past few months.
Gave it a C is because we didn't take an Olineman or Dlineman. He was bitching about it on Twitter. So he knocks points off for that, but would have done the same if we reached for OL/DL. Makes sense!
Also I don't think he realizes they resigned JPP. Signed Vernon & Snacks. Owa & Hankins are now healthy. Have a 3rd round pick in Jay Bromley & Louis Nix. Still have Kerry Wynn whose a solid rotational guy. That looks like a pretty solid DL to me.
Are they evaluating the talent acquired, the ability to fill crucial needs or both. Besides what does it matter. These grades and a quarter will still only get you a gum all.
That's exactly how they give their grades. Hubbuch basically said it on Twitter.
If you look at value & where these guys were rated by many people then there's no way you don't give it an A. I had multiple people text me yesterday saying they were pissed the Giants knocked it out of the park. One of my friends is an Eagles fan. He was willing to give up multiple picks to get in the 2nd round to draft Perkins. He was very pissed we got him in the 5th.
Shouldn't the draft guides be rated by what the actual picks made rather than vice versa as is being done here? Who would you want making the picks for your team? The football professionals on the teams or the draft guide people?
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
So true! It's funny how the writers didn't criticize the Cowboys after taking Elliot. They should have taken Ramsey in my opinion. Cowboys are going to need all the help now covering OBJ, Shepherd and possibly Cruz. Good luck Dallas! Everyone knows they needed defense and a QB.
I maybe it the minority but I thought Apple was not a reach and prefered him over Hargreaves.
Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
How is that even possible? The draft is one of the bread and butter events to cover for a beat writer. Seriously, if I'm an editor, I give my guy a serious tongue lashing for this and even consider firing them.
The writers seem to really disagree, but I think Twitter is leading to the degradation of journalism, especially sports. Your job isn't to post a handful of shallow or snark comments. It is to write an article. If you are a beat writer, that means writing an article several times a week. If don't like that or can't handle it, then you have the wrong job.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
Yea I didn't know you were here either! Where in the city do you live?
Shouldn't the draft guides be rated by what the actual picks made rather than vice versa as is being done here? Who would you want making the picks for your team? The football professionals on the teams or the draft guide people?
The best part is fans use the mock drafts to pass judgment on how well the Giants drafted. See the grade thread. It's beyond moronic
Shouldn't the draft guides be rated by what the actual picks made rather than vice versa as is being done here? Who would you want making the picks for your team? The football professionals on the teams or the draft guide people?
The best part is fans use the mock drafts to pass judgment on how well the Giants drafted. See the grade thread. It's beyond moronic
I made that thread even more moronic by posting on it this morning.
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
Yea I didn't know you were here either! Where in the city do you live?
Was in No Libs for a year or so when I first moved down here, out in the burbs just outside of west now, Delco
They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
Dallas should get an F. Elliot was a luxery pick. Pretending their QB missing games is the only reason they were bad is by one arrogant and that's the way they drafted. They are at best a 10-6 team even w a healthy Romo.
1st pick is a luxery pick. 2nd a crap shoot. Jones is clinging to the fallacy that Romo can make it through a season as long as they can hand the ball off 50 times a game I guess. Their D has more holes than anyone else in the NFC east. They get behind in games Romo is Going tonnage to throw. Whitten HOFer he may be is t getting younger. Dez Gets hurt a lot. No idea why people buy into the hype other than its the Cowboys
Cowboys took a crazy risk, drafting a guy that high
who hasn't even successfully rehabbed from the first knee surgery. The results of a recent study presented to the Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons found:
"The incidence of a second injury to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) within the first 12 months after ACL reconstruction and return to sport in a young, active population has been reported to be 15 times greater than a previously uninjured cohort."
Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
As I said in another post, I get that, the draft is so stupid. So much misinformation, so much speculation about prospects that most have no clue how they will translate in this league. To use an example, many free agents don't translate well from team to team, let alone figuring out a guy against inferior competition can do it. I guess writers have to take the good of their job with the bad, but I can see how they would be annoyed. The NFL has made a crapshoot into a spectacle.
Apparently trading up in the 4th round to take a backup QB when you already have your franchise QB is okay now and seen as a great move. Even when you just drafted your franchise QB in the last two years.
Yeah, what kind of team would trade up in the 4th round to take a backup QB when they already have their franchise QB?
Every word I'm hearing is that Jacks knee is degenerative and bound to fall apart,yet they give JAX an A? Great job Bert Hubbuch, you just lost a reader you never had.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Jinx!
Eric, I graduated college with a degree in English....I would live the responsibility of doing what these guys do. I would be bitching about camps my editor wouldn't allow me to go to. I would LOVE to cover the draft.
Sort of like the guys who lists best available day three picks by crossing off a guides top 200. Reporters don't know crap about most of these guys.
Prisco gave them a B, but Rang gave them a C. Somehow, Rang thought the Cowboys passing on the draft's best player in the 1st round and using a high 2nd round pick on a guy who might never play a down was worthy of a "B". I guess some people couldn't wrap their minds around Apple being the pick, despite most of them acknowledging his upside.
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
You bitched and moaned through the entire draft, are you saying you would give them a good grade? Judging by your posts you'd give them a D.
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
I heard Graziano on Michael Kay's show this week - all he did was bitch about covering the draft. Go work at the DMV if covering the NFL is such a hardship.
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Apparently trading up in the 4th round to take a backup QB when you already have your franchise QB is okay now and seen as a great move. Even when you just drafted your franchise QB in the last two years.
But the Cowboys got a C and the Eagles a C+. Jags an A for getting Ramsey and Jack. Those seem right to me.
But ultimately, who cares, because the grades are meaningless. David Wilson and Reuben Randle were ballyhooed as great picks. How did that turn out? JPP was panned by most. So grades mean very little.
But the Cowboys got a C and the Eagles a C+. Jags an A for getting Ramsey and Jack. Those seem right to me.
But ultimately, who cares, because the grades are meaningless. David Wilson and Reuben Randle were ballyhooed as great picks. How did that turn out? JPP was panned by most. So grades mean very little.
a guy with a degenerative knee going in the 2nd seems right? Okay. Another Vanzetti special.
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Some of the beat writers were bitching on twitter about having to cover the draft (in other words, do their job).
I heard Graziano on Michael Kay's show this week - all he did was bitch about covering the draft. Go work at the DMV if covering the NFL is such a hardship.
Graziano bitches about covering the Giants. He doesn't hide his hatred of the organization. Even ESPN NY Rosenberg said he doesn't put any stock in Graziano reporting and told him on his radio show.
A talent like Tunsil drops and they were timid and paralyzed.
I think the brilliance of OBJ coupled with Eli has made them look for "safe " picks with high basements traded for high ceilings and potential.
All the picks are safe, no character defects, great work ethics, Capt. types who probably will be "all that they can be".
Against that they froze when Tunsil dropped . This was not just another player, this is a guy who was rated the highest player in years at a postion of critical need. The film is old, the only relavant factor is that the kids never failed a drug test and never been in trouble.
It is going to be tough to call this draft a failure if the Giants go deep into the playoffs next year...and I think they might. But it won't matter, they missed a once in lifetime opportunity and the draft has to be viewed as a monumental failure.
A "fringe" first round prospect? Anyone who thinks he was a fringe first rounder is a buffoon. You don't have to like the pick, but using that word is ridiculous.
A talent like Tunsil drops and they were timid and paralyzed.
I think the brilliance of OBJ coupled with Eli has made them look for "safe " picks with high basements traded for high ceilings and potential.
All the picks are safe, no character defects, great work ethics, Capt. types who probably will be "all that they can be".
Against that they froze when Tunsil dropped . This was not just another player, this is a luckiness rated the highest player in years at a postion of critical need. The film is old, the only relavant factor is that the kids never failed a drug test and never been in trouble.
It is going to be tough to call this draft a failure if the Giants go deep into the playoffs next year...and I think they might. But it won't matter, they missed a once in lifetime opportunity and the draft has to be viewed as a monumental failure.
You're a loser with the rest of the Floyd cult. I almost didn't respond because I wanted to ignore the troll, but you're a fucking tool of the first degree. Seriously, I have not once seen you post anything intelligent yet. Just shuttup loser.
Your existence is life's monumental failure.
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
I'll take the C and our players...
"I know who the first two picks were for all these teams. Arbitrary letter grade."
Nailed it.
I think both players were ranked close. The Giants chose Apple's athletic ability over the slight edge Hargreaves had in skills that are coachable.
Writers don't seem to want to admit that maybe they were way off on where they'd been ranking Apple for the past few months.
Also I don't think he realizes they resigned JPP. Signed Vernon & Snacks. Owa & Hankins are now healthy. Have a 3rd round pick in Jay Bromley & Louis Nix. Still have Kerry Wynn whose a solid rotational guy. That looks like a pretty solid DL to me.
The grade seems to have no relationship to the actual value of the picks.
I would be a prime example. I like their draft but would have liked it more had they take Tunsil.
If you look at value & where these guys were rated by many people then there's no way you don't give it an A. I had multiple people text me yesterday saying they were pissed the Giants knocked it out of the park. One of my friends is an Eagles fan. He was willing to give up multiple picks to get in the 2nd round to draft Perkins. He was very pissed we got him in the 5th.
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Myles Jack and got scared off Tunsil.
Beason look in the mirror......the Giants didn't want another you....
As for Tunsil, listening to this guy talk after the draft, kind of justified his drop.....looks like a head case....
So true! It's funny how the writers didn't criticize the Cowboys after taking Elliot. They should have taken Ramsey in my opinion. Cowboys are going to need all the help now covering OBJ, Shepherd and possibly Cruz. Good luck Dallas! Everyone knows they needed defense and a QB.
I maybe it the minority but I thought Apple was not a reach and prefered him over Hargreaves.
The writers seem to really disagree, but I think Twitter is leading to the degradation of journalism, especially sports. Your job isn't to post a handful of shallow or snark comments. It is to write an article. If you are a beat writer, that means writing an article several times a week. If don't like that or can't handle it, then you have the wrong job.
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
Yea I didn't know you were here either! Where in the city do you live?
The best part is fans use the mock drafts to pass judgment on how well the Giants drafted. See the grade thread. It's beyond moronic
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Shouldn't the draft guides be rated by what the actual picks made rather than vice versa as is being done here? Who would you want making the picks for your team? The football professionals on the teams or the draft guide people?
The best part is fans use the mock drafts to pass judgment on how well the Giants drafted. See the grade thread. It's beyond moronic
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They don't have anything negative to say about the picks, actually compliment them all. Then they give them a C for the draft and headline the article with "Giants Lag Behind Division Rivals". I truly don't care, grading a draft class a few hours after the dust settles is as much an exercise in speculation as a mock draft. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants lag behind the rest of the division? When you look at each teams draft haul and consider their respective needs I see the exact opposite. Again it's pure speculation but it appears that the Giants improved their roster more than any team in the division.
J, whenever teams make splashes by trading up for a QB or a flashy position, the dumb ass media eats that shit up. And it's just corny....no other way to describe it. But you're asking the writers to, you know, do a ton of homework on guys they really haven't heard much about (a.k.a. do what's in their job description) and make write ups. You know, responsible journalism. Why would you ask them to do that? ::eye roll::
Yeah, I've noticed that trend. Sending a boatload of picks to another team to draft a QB is now considered a gutsy, aggressive move. However I seem to remember quite a different prevailing settlement when the Giants traded for Eli. And they didn't give up nearly as much as the Eagles did.
Really the truth. All my Eagles fan friends down here in Phoulthy have been gah gah over the move, and when I bring up what they gave up, the usual response is "yea yea, but this prospect is better than Eli." Haha. Good one!
And Paulie, enough dude. You have been singing the blues ove no RT. Who fucking cares? We filled holes and added talent. You're a brat if you don't see that.
Yeah I've been hearing that a lot since the trade as well. I had no idea you were a Philly guy. I really think those of us down here behind enemy lines oughta get together for a game. There's quite a few of us actually. Plemty of decent bars but I'm sure CiP would be more than willing to have us over.
Yea I didn't know you were here either! Where in the city do you live?
Was in No Libs for a year or so when I first moved down here, out in the burbs just outside of west now, Delco
Dallas should get an F. Elliot was a luxery pick. Pretending their QB missing games is the only reason they were bad is by one arrogant and that's the way they drafted. They are at best a 10-6 team even w a healthy Romo.
1st pick is a luxery pick. 2nd a crap shoot. Jones is clinging to the fallacy that Romo can make it through a season as long as they can hand the ball off 50 times a game I guess. Their D has more holes than anyone else in the NFC east. They get behind in games Romo is Going tonnage to throw. Whitten HOFer he may be is t getting younger. Dez Gets hurt a lot. No idea why people buy into the hype other than its the Cowboys
"The incidence of a second injury to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) within the first 12 months after ACL reconstruction and return to sport in a young, active population has been reported to be 15 times greater than a previously uninjured cohort."
As I said in another post, I get that, the draft is so stupid. So much misinformation, so much speculation about prospects that most have no clue how they will translate in this league. To use an example, many free agents don't translate well from team to team, let alone figuring out a guy against inferior competition can do it. I guess writers have to take the good of their job with the bad, but I can see how they would be annoyed. The NFL has made a crapshoot into a spectacle.
Yeah, what kind of team would trade up in the 4th round to take a backup QB when they already have their franchise QB?