Kiper gave us a B+

The Giants may have been caught off-guard by the two trades in front of them, but they got a good prospect anyway, and scored good value in rounds 2-6.

Grades are silly. At the end of the day, who cares whether Kiper (or anyone else) graded Apple higher or lower than Hargreaves, Jackson, etc.? If the Giants think he's a better fit for them, they took the right CB. Now it's up to the coaches.

I think this might have been just about a perfect draft for them. Should have just taken Tunsil anyway, but time will tell on that one.

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in prior years if Kiper gave us a poor grade, his analysis was dismissed and he was called a douche bag who doesn't know shit.

Maybe he is suddenly brilliant.

Agree with the earlier comment that if our #1 ended up being one of the higher graded prospects, our draft may have been viewed as being perfect.

I don't think Apple was as much of a reach as he says. But he was a reach.

I couldn't agree with you more. Grades are silly. Only time will tell. If Apple turns out to be Revis like, I'm just saying, and Shepard looks to be a steal in the second round, and the ball hawking safety turns into the answer to their problems at that position then does turn the B+ into an A+?

You can go down the list of draft busts that were thought to be great picks. I like what the Giants did. Remember, they ranked 8th in total offense last year in the entire NFL and last in total defense in the entire league. They had to go nuts on the the defensive side and were desparate for help in tne secondary.

If they were a middle of the road defense last year they would have been a playoff contending team. The offense should be fine even as the right side of the offensive line remains in question. Now that Spags has some new tools to work with I think they could have a very good turn around season.,

Fuck those stupid draft grades.

It is pretty common knowledge that the Dolphins were taking him over Tunsil & Jack. That's not a reach.

Like I said on another thread I have a friend who works for the Bucs. They had Apple higher then Hargreaves. If they would have stayed at 9 they were taking Apple. He said they traded down, because they thought we were going to take Tunsil. So the Bucs thought they could move down 2 spots & still get their top player.

we thought Reuben Randle was a solid pick and we were excited about him too.

As I can see how there are certain schemes/teams that would prefer Apple to Hargreaves III and I do believe they were spending time analyzing the pros and cons to trading similar to when they dealt from 25-32 and landed Kiwanuka when everyone was chirping for Santonio Holmes at 25. In the end they likely felt that Apple was much better than any CB they could get after trading down and, quite presciently, predicted a run on DB before pick 40 so took the CB from the players rated in the highest remaining row. There were 3 teams in the following 7 picks who went DB and another who may have done it as well had Tunsil not fallen so it is not inconceivable that the Giants didn't feel comfortable about Apple being around much longer.

as Plug & Play, in the NFL draft....

You need a safety? Draft a safety...

Need a RB? Draft a RB.....

Doesn't quite work that way.....

You can have a bust on a first round pick, and hit a homerun on a 7th....

We have had problems with picks after the second round......we have had problems with injuries to picks in the first two rounds.....we have had problems, resigning our own top picks after their rookie contract, either they were starters and not that good, or we were cap strapped and couldn't re-sign them.....

But we have also drafted square pegs for round holes, and we have drafted physical specimens rather than guys who could make plays, and we have drafted too many projects.....

But this draft, on paper, looks great.....we drafted guys where there was a need....we didn't force ourselves to pick for need, when the player was not there(OL in later rounds)....it looks like we drafted guys, that will compete for either starting positions, or have upgraded some backup positions....

Of course, no one knows, what the outcome of this draft really is, until these guys get out on the field and actually play.....

As Giant fans, we are always hopefully optimistic, every year after the draft.....maybe this is finally the year, that hope is rewarded...

wherever you got them, then you win. The Giants were looking at their value boards and trying to calculate where they could get them and who might not be interested.

Grading a team poorly now is silly. Well, grading a team now is silly.

Grade them after the season. I don't think Apple was a reach at all. Very good cb on a championship college team. Played great in big games. Thompson, could very well be the starting fs. Gives us turnover potential. Shepard and Perkins, excite me the most, ankle breaking moves with their shiftiness and speed. As sy said goodson could be starting at wlb by midseason. The te will contribute. To me it's a, A draft

Say Perkins was their most "elusive" runner and Adams their second rated TE.
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...I almost don't care which combination of our 6 picks becomes plus NFL players.

If Eli Apple turns into a marginal CB, but 3 of the remaining 5 become solid starters, then great!

But bottom line: given who they selected 1 through 6, I feel very good that the Giants will eventually end up with a strong nucleus of new starters, and that may happen sooner than expected!

It's only my opinion that it's a, A draft. At the end of the season, when a true judgement can be made. I think they are going to all end up being very good draft picks. Could be wrong? On paper they look good.

With 6 picks and about 8 holes to fill by my estimation. Top three picks fit three immediate needs, and there's a realistic expectation they can step in immediately. Right side of OL still is Achilles heel. I like the draft, but I'm worried that Newhouse is still be RT on depth chart, and I wonder where we can find the resources to upgrade.

These guys are all clearly grading on their opinions, that's all nothing more. Whether you think they are smart because they like the Giants draft or idiots because they hate it, there is nothing wrong with grading a draft the day after it. It's all fluid, of course and grades will change. But it's their opinions as of day 1 after the draft. Hell, Kipsr even said that Apple was a reach ON HIS BOARD, cause he had him as the 28th ranked player.

No sense getting you panties in a bunch. It's fun to grade these things now and then look back a few years down the road to see how far off we were. Stop taking these so seriously.

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I think this might have been just about a perfect draft for them. Should have just taken Tunsil anyway, but time will tell on that one.

Tunsil has a ton of problemsn and not all if them are off the field. There are questions about his work ethic, strength, technique, and overall liklihood of getting better. There is just as good a chance that he flames out as early as this year as there is to be even a good OT, in my opinion.

If they got Stanley or Conklin I'd be thrilled. Butn for me and onviously the Giants, this was a 2 OL draft. At that point, I don't have a problem with not taking an OL you seriously think may not be worth it.

don't want to concede that Apple was higher on teams boards. And they assume that the Giants were caught off guard and panicked to have taken Apple.

So the talking heads are right, while the teams and scouts that spend all year studying these players are wrong. =P

If you're happy with the Giants picks in rounds two through six, you should be happy with their first pick as well, because if they don't get the CB they like in round one, maybe they go CB instead of Shepard in round two? Who knows how the dominoes fall if it's Floyd in round one instead of Apple?

Will be major contributors this year. Especially Shepard & Thompson. I think both of them start from day 1.

I think our secondary can be scary good this year. DRC, Janoris, Apple & Bennett Jackson, Thompson, Collins, Behre. There is some real studs in there.

Also our offense should be even better then last year. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg & Tye should all improve in their 2nd year at their position. Then you got Eli, Jennings, Vereen, Darkwa, Perkins, Odell, Cruz, Harris, Shepard, Donnell & Adams. Tons of potential to be great. We have a lot of weapons on offense.

at least 3 future starters and I think they have done that. Apple, Sheppard and Thompson, Adams and Goodson all have the ability to start in the future for this team.

It was Jerry's lack of starting caliber players in the middle rounds that I thought was wrong with his previous picks.

In comment 12938360 superspynyg said:

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at least 3 future starters and I think they have done that. Apple, Sheppard and Thompson, Adams and Goodson all have the ability to start in the future for this team. It was Jerry's lack of starting caliber players in the middle rounds that I thought was wrong with his previous picks.

So does Perkins.

I'm not into "grading" our Draft, and certainly not within 24 hours of it's completion. The Players they picked look like they can contribute, some right away. There appeared to be a thought process in the later rounds. Let's get 'em out there in pads and see if they take to what the Coaches are preachin'

In two years, who will remember Eli Apple's draft position if he's playing well against the bigger receivers in our division ??

Was off the board in 2. Now they have Shepard and one of the better TEs in the draft in lieu of Henry and a 6th rounder. That's a good outcome in my book.

Kiper giving the Giants --- hmmmmm

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Also our offense should be even better then last year. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg & Tye should all improve in their 2nd year at their position.

Flowers is the key. He needs to play like a top ten pick this year. If he can do that, the offense will take off.

Id buy Apple as a reach if Hargeaves was taken already. The Giants, in their minds, didn't reach. This was a guy they coveted and had high on their board. Not a panic pick. Can't wait to see this kid play.

In comment 12938464 Danny Kanell said:

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Id buy Apple as a reach if Hargeaves was taken already. The Giants, in their minds, didn't reach. This was a guy they coveted and had high on their board. Not a panic pick. Can't wait to see this kid play.

DK - that is some sound reasoning I haven't seen before - nice job

Kiper is never close when we pick ..
Him and those Goofy glasses and Weird hair doo
I gave it a B
The D-line was loaded in the draft a guy like
Bullard would have been a better pick .
Who the hell knows but this Reece knocked it
out of the park and A++ ratings are delusional
Reece has had some crappy drafts from bottom
to top 2 years in a row not a soul on the team
will temper my emotions until they play .

for their respective teams, so it's hard to say if he would have liked them any more at 10 than 8 or 9 (not that Kiper's opinion matters much). I personally would have preferred either player to Apple since they both factor into more immediate needs but I can't get too bent out of shape over them evaluating Apple over Hargreaves in hindsight. Was just surprising in the moment and is clearly somewhat of a minority opinion. Reese's track record with 1st rounders is excellent though so that's one place they get the benefit of the doubt for sure.

than hargreaves you can coach technique but you cant coach height or speed the argument was hargreaves was maybe ready to step in and play outside corner now

whereas apple was going to take a little time to get to that point where he was a starter ,playing some special teams and nickel packages/slot etc first. for the giants thats how they will use him.

apple has the higher ceiling as he had some tecnique issues and held a bit in college he wont be able to play like that in the pro's but if he cleans up those issues he would be a better CB than hargreaves they are however still thin at CB they need to find 2 more CB probably (mcbride and maybe sign powers?)

much less Mel Kiper. I appreciate how he handled what he believed was a reach by Eli Apple. "You have to go with your board but he was a reach in mine". He's become a lot more humble with age. Kudos Mel.

And I'd grade it a B or B+

"Sterling Shepard is a great get for any team ... Take that guy anywhere and I'll like the pick."

What if the Jints picked him at 10? You'd call him a reach. If not, why is Apple a reach? If Shepard is better than Apple, why didn't you have him ranked higher.

I don't get too worked up about it but it really is mostly bogus. There are some good analysts out there, but the grading think irks me. Any normal person is going to grade a team higher if they agree with the picks.

that nobody has a freakin' clue how a draft will turn out, not Kiper or anybody that posts on BBI.. I've pretty much stopped paying attention, except to note that it is now 32 years Giants picked a LB in First Rd.

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that nobody has a freakin' clue how a draft will turn out, not Kiper or anybody that posts on BBI.. I've pretty much stopped paying attention, except to note that it is now 32 years Giants picked a LB in First Rd.

Then why even comment on a msg board?

To some but everyone does it and we know
its just for fun ...

In comment 12938342 BigBlueShock said:

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These guys are all clearly grading on their opinions, that's all nothing more. Whether you think they are smart because they like the Giants draft or idiots because they hate it, there is nothing wrong with grading a draft the day after it. It's all fluid, of course and grades will change. But it's their opinions as of day 1 after the draft. Hell, Kipsr even said that Apple was a reach ON HIS BOARD, cause he had him as the 28th ranked player. No sense getting you panties in a bunch. It's fun to grade these things now and then look back a few years down the road to see how far off we were. Stop taking these so seriously.

Grading is silly because the grader's board is either similar to the team's or not, and the grading is handed out accordingly.

Why would we give more credence to the grader as opposed to the team?

...if you take the prospects the pundits had high on their list you get a good 'grade'...what a shock.