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Please STOP with the OL bashing

Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:01 am
1. They only had 6 picks to play with
2. This line was EIGTH in the NFL last year in offense
3. Bobby Hart has a role on the right side somehow
4. The offseason isn't finished yet

And lastly, I much much much rather get the players we got yesterday then reach for developmental lineman that may or may not pan out.

Relax, we're fine, GGGGGGGGMen!!!!!
The Giants ranked 18th in rushing.  
Klaatu : 5/1/2016 11:04 am : link
22nd in 3rd down conversions, and 27th in time-of-possession. It's not bashing - it's a valid concern. It's unfortunate that the O-Line couldn't be addressed in the draft, but it just wasn't in the cards.
Flowers not having an ankle  
hitdog42 : 5/1/2016 11:06 am : link
Is essentially adding a player to the ol this year-
Why not look at the positive  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:08 am : link
We got a FS that probably starts game 1
We got a TE that doesn't fall down every time he catches the ball
We got a playmaking WR to complement Beckham
We got a future starting MLB that we desperately need

It's amazing how much GOOD Reese did but yet, there's always negativity.
Can't fix EVERY position with 6 draft picks.

On paper this isn't a B or B+ draft, this is a HOME RUN, A++++ draft and his best draft EASILY since 2007. You can envision every single one of these guys helping out in 2016.

So stop worrying so much about 2 lineman, please!!!!
RE: Flowers not having an ankle  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:09 am : link
In comment 12938553 hitdog42 said:
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Is essentially adding a player to the ol this year-


Every team can say that.
I looked at the positives.  
Klaatu : 5/1/2016 11:10 am : link
You can see it in my posts in the Draft Grade thread (B+). I liked every one of the Giants' draft picks.
RE: Flowers not having an ankle  
dep026 : 5/1/2016 11:12 am : link
In comment 12938553 hitdog42 said:
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Is essentially adding a player to the ol this year-


We hope.
'Relax, we're fine, GGGGGGGGMen!!!!!'...  
Torrag : 5/1/2016 11:13 am : link
...put down the Kool-Aid you've had more than your fair share.

The talent level on the right side is subpar. That's not debatable. Hopefully we can do more to upgrade there. If not I'll be hoping(more like praying) more than expecting good things from those players.
Bottom line  
Carl in CT : 5/1/2016 11:14 am : link
With two #1 picks and a #2 on the OL, I don't care who the other two are they should be a top 10 OL in the game or somebody did something wrong.
RE: Why not look at the positive  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 12938555 Section131 said:
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We got a FS that probably starts game 1
!!


So where does that leave Thompson, Berhe and Taylor? Every year we read the same thing. "Hey, we got a safety". Mara sounds like a broken record.

Have you looked at how many 3rd Rounders and beyond this organization has developed for years?

Stop bashing the OL? It's been a wreck since 2012 and still needs two players on the right side with practically zero depth behind the three top starters.
RE: Flowers not having an ankle  
Jay on the Island : 5/1/2016 11:16 am : link
In comment 12938553 hitdog42 said:
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Is essentially adding a player to the ol this year-

Adding a top 10 pick to the OL. What people fail to realize is that even if the OL is exactly as it is today it will be much better for two reasons. First off Mike Solari. Secondly the year of experience these guys all gained not to mention the continuity. These guys have been together for a full year so they should start to gel into a solid unit. Richburg was a top 5 center last year and he will get even better this year. Pugh and Flowers will progress as well. Solari is going to have a huge impact on this team.
I agree with OP  
5BowlsSoon : 5/1/2016 11:17 am : link
I think Gmen will do what they have to do to maximize efficiency in the OL. I'm relaxed.
Section131...  
M.S. : 5/1/2016 11:17 am : link

...I am one who's definitely positive about this Draft. I think I was the only one to give it an A+.

But I can tell you something flat out.

If our offensive line doesn't improve in the run blocking game and we finish 27th again in time of possession, I guarantee you the Giants ain't gonna do shit this year and we'll be drafting once more in the Top 10 come 2017.

Depend upon it.
Yes, people are annoyed that we didn't address OL in the draft  
robbieballs2003 : 5/1/2016 11:17 am : link
IMO, the draft is not about the now. It is about the future. However, I think we all have a legit gripe that the OL wasn't addressed in FA. I also love the "the defense was to blame for our losses" comment. It is never one thing. It is always a combination of things. Yes, the defense wasn't great last year. However, that doesn't exonerate the offense for their inability to control the clock, get crucial first downs, and impose their will on the defense. The OL needs to improve, plain and simple.
It's not bashing to make a valid point!  
chiefmps : 5/1/2016 11:18 am : link
Klaatu if correct. Please Section131 don't be another one of those people who say that the Giants only had a limited amount of draft picks, NO KIDDING! We all know that. We also know that during the free agent time the Giants did not address the need for offensive line help. One could believe that the Giants would and should have address their offensive line need in the draft, something that did not happen. This is not bashing, this is a simple and valid fact. Sure it is still early and there is still time but this was the time when the Giants should have address their need for offensive line help.
RE: RE: Why not look at the positive  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:19 am : link
In comment 12938577 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938555 Section131 said:


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We got a FS that probably starts game 1
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So where does that leave Thompson, Berhe and Taylor? Every year we read the same thing. "Hey, we got a safety". Mara sounds like a broken record.

Have you looked at how many 3rd Rounders and beyond this organization has developed for years?

Stop bashing the OL? It's been a wreck since 2012 and still needs two players on the right side with practically zero depth behind the three top starters.


i would INSTANTLY argue that Darian Thompson is an upgrade over those three at FS...

berhe is a SS and will back up collins
bennet jackson and mykelle thompson will fight for backup FS spot but i think both make the team due to versatility. both can play CB. jackson is a converted CB so again they give us Safety AND Cornerback depth...

Collins at SS
D thompson at FS

those are your starters and i am excited about a young duo...

earl thomas and kam chancellor? this could be our version and i am excited to see what they can do.
collins should be MUCH better this year at his natural position
Who cares  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:19 am : link
where that leaves Thompson and others? Upgrade positions of need. We had NO starter at FS. We have a starter at RT and a RG with Hart waiting in the wings.

Again.... how much can you do with SIX picks????

Some of you are absolutely relentless with the offensive line. Relax, grab a snickers, it's gonna be a while. Calm down!!!

RE: RE: Why not look at the positive  
Matt M. : 5/1/2016 11:20 am : link
In comment 12938577 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938555 Section131 said:


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We got a FS that probably starts game 1
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So where does that leave Thompson, Berhe and Taylor? Every year we read the same thing. "Hey, we got a safety". Mara sounds like a broken record.

Have you looked at how many 3rd Rounders and beyond this organization has developed for years?

Stop bashing the OL? It's been a wreck since 2012 and still needs two players on the right side with practically zero depth behind the three top starters.
I have to disagree. The 3 prior drafts we spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on OL and all 3 have started from day 1 and continue to start. The LT-OC is a solid, young anchor to the OL. Last year's 5th round pick is vying for a starting spot, not just out of need but also because the coaches seem to be high on him.

The OL has not been very good in the running game. But, they are good pass blockers and the WCO puts an emphasis on getting the ball out quick. Plus, Manning is very adept at avoiding sacks.

They still have FA money to spend and OL are always among the best value in cap casualties in June. I am willing to give them some time here.

RE: The Giants ranked 18th in rushing.  
micky : 5/1/2016 11:20 am : link
In comment 12938549 Klaatu said:
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22nd in 3rd down conversions, and 27th in time-of-possession. It's not bashing - it's a valid concern. It's unfortunate that the O-Line couldn't be addressed in the draft, but it just wasn't in the cards.


On the contrary, bbi's voice of reasons, Colin says otherwise..so there
Ol not a need...colin - ( New Window )
RE: Yes, people are annoyed that we didn't address OL in the draft  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:21 am : link
In comment 12938584 robbieballs2003 said:
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IMO, the draft is not about the now. It is about the future. However, I think we all have a legit gripe that the OL wasn't addressed in FA. I also love the "the defense was to blame for our losses" comment. It is never one thing. It is always a combination of things. Yes, the defense wasn't great last year. However, that doesn't exonerate the offense for their inability to control the clock, get crucial first downs, and impose their will on the defense. The OL needs to improve, plain and simple.


i agree but the defense really didnt make ONE stop when they NEEDED to. it was swiss cheese. i agree the OL could use help and it may come via trade or june 1st cut but we had 6 picks, we addressed all of our other needs. it was a great draft and i am excited...if we ever landed a solid RT via trade we would be very close to a complete team and doing a big turn around in a single offseason. something said to be impossible
The offensive line is NOT the reason we were 6-10 last year  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:21 am : link
it was the defense. The defense has been fixed.
We Need Another Guy  
Rong5611 : 5/1/2016 11:22 am : link
I'm happy with the draft, we need another guy on the right side of the OL though. They will pick up some guys.

We need another WR that can play outside, I'd call Boldin.
There are issues with the OL  
Reb8thVA : 5/1/2016 11:22 am : link
Regardless of the draft and to acknowledge those issues is completely reasonable. The draft didn't fall our way. That is fine. However, we should never of been in the position that we had to rely on the draft to address the issues. There is no one out there available right now that is going to come in and solve those problems and to suggest there are other than Davis or possibly Eugene Monroe is pure fantasy. The best they can do now is to have adequate quality back ups to deal with the injuries that are sure to come. The front office has made their bed so to say

If you are currently satisfied to go into the season with the line as is that is your prerogative, but you lose your right to gripe later. Me, I hope I am completely and utterly wrong about the OL.
When we picked at 10, Tunsil was the only OL you could justify  
Matt M. : 5/1/2016 11:23 am : link
Personally, I never wanted him because he has a myriad of issues both on and off the field. For his size, his strength and ability (or desire) to sustain blocks is highly questionable. If our concern is strengthening the run blocking, this is a big problem. His work ethic is an issue. Some people are willing to blow off the gas mask/pot issue. But, there are serious concerns with him using a lot of synthetic pot. He was not a HR by any stretch.

After the 1st round, can anyone legitimately name an OL available who would be a realistic shot to start this year?
RE: Who cares  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:24 am : link
In comment 12938592 Section131 said:
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where that leaves Thompson and others? Upgrade positions of need. We had NO starter at FS. We have a starter at RT and a RG with Hart waiting in the wings.

Again.... how much can you do with SIX picks????

Some of you are absolutely relentless with the offensive line. Relax, grab a snickers, it's gonna be a while. Calm down!!!


Lol - it's been since 2012 so calm down. That's actually funny being it will be 2017 by season's end.

Thanks for the laugh and the short term memory recall. Now the Giants have three or four free safeties with no experience. Maybe we can draft another next season and celebrate
Even with all our defensive problems, we would have won 10 games last  
Elisha10 : 5/1/2016 11:24 am : link
year if we could just run out the clock. All this team needs on offense is a running game that can at the least consistently get a yard or two when needed, this line has not been able to do that.
Nobody is mentioning Bobby Hart  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:24 am : link
Bobby Hart is like a draft pick this year. He can start at RG or RT and COULD BE an upgrade over either on right side. And he was a DRAFT PICK. OH.MY.GOD.

stop killing this team over the offensive line. it doesn't jive it just doesn't.
RE: The offensive line is NOT the reason we were 6-10 last year  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 12938598 Section131 said:
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it was the defense. The defense has been fixed.


Ge defense is fixed. You really should be a comedian
On paper this  
Reb8thVA : 5/1/2016 11:25 am : link
Looks like a very good draft class. However the 2011 draft also looked outstanding on paper. The one thing that does reassure me that this will not be the 2011 class is that all come from major programs, all have demonstrated production and none seem to have extra baggage. There doesn't seem to be any Austins, Jernigans, or Brewers.
oh really Giants2012  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:26 am : link
Vernon
Snacks
Apple
Thompson (boise state version)
more depth at LB

I mean WTF is all that? Chopped Liver?
Quality thread in the making  
Jimmy Googs : 5/1/2016 11:27 am : link
I'll tune in a few hours to see how compelling this becomes...
RE: oh really Giants2012  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 12938618 Section131 said:
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Vernon
Snacks
Apple
Thompson (boise state version)
more depth at LB

I mean WTF is all that? Chopped Liver?


Go ahead and celebrate and list how many times moron fans from Dallas, Philly, Washington, etc spent a ton in free agency, celebrated and the team actually succeeded.
RE: RE: The offensive line is NOT the reason we were 6-10 last year  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 12938611 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938598 Section131 said:


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it was the defense. The defense has been fixed.



Ge defense is fixed. You really should be a comedian


holy shit dude you are unbearable...
where is the huge hole in the defense?
we added a huge pass rusher and returned JPP we got the best run stuffing DT in football. we added two corners to help our weak secondary. we added two LBers, both seem t have good instincts and speed. what is the issue? i dont see how you can sit and say we didnt fix the defense. on paper we did exactly that.

darian thompson is better than ANY other option we have on roster at FS. why? because none of them were even productive in college let alone the NFL lol...19ints for D thompson. thats production.
RE: The Giants ranked 18th in rushing.  
Mark C : 5/1/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 12938549 Klaatu said:
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22nd in 3rd down conversions, and 27th in time-of-possession. It's not bashing - it's a valid concern. It's unfortunate that the O-Line couldn't be addressed in the draft, but it just wasn't in the cards.


The rankings you cite are not exclusively the fault of the OL. There's also the fact that this offense essentially had one weapon last season. How do you improve time of possession or third down conversions when you have one WR who can consistently get open, and a backfield that absolutely telegraphs what play they're going to run based on what personnel is on the field? Clearly the Giants are trying to diversify their offensive options, and this draft did not fall in such a way that enabled them to immediately improve the OL play significantly.
RE: On paper this  
M.S. : 5/1/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 12938613 Reb8thVA said:
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Looks like a very good draft class. However the 2011 draft also looked outstanding on paper. The one thing that does reassure me that this will not be the 2011 class is that all come from major programs, all have demonstrated production and none seem to have extra baggage. There doesn't seem to be any Austins, Jernigans, or Brewers.

ugh... did you have to mention these 3 guys? Make that a triple ugh!
RE: RE: The Giants ranked 18th in rushing.  
Klaatu : 5/1/2016 11:31 am : link
In comment 12938594 micky said:
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In comment 12938549 Klaatu said:


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22nd in 3rd down conversions, and 27th in time-of-possession. It's not bashing - it's a valid concern. It's unfortunate that the O-Line couldn't be addressed in the draft, but it just wasn't in the cards.



On the contrary, bbi's voice of reasons, Colin says otherwise..so there Ol not a need...colin - ( New Window )


Do you mean the part where he says:

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No question the Giants still want to upgrade the right side of the OL...


Or is it the part where he posted the stats about the offense and sacks allowed, but said nothing about the running game, 3rd down conversions, or time-of-possession, as I did above?

The only "otherwise" is that Colin said the Giants wanted to upgrade the right side of the O-Line in free agency (which they didn't) or through a trade (which may happen, or it may not). As for looking for an upgrade in the draft, it's pure speculation on Colin's part as it is on mine. FWIW, JonC just posted on another thread that the Giants were interested in OT John Theus, who went to the 49ers on day three.
How many times: The draft is not for filling immediate needs  
BillT : 5/1/2016 11:31 am : link
It can work out that way but you simply can't target a position and commit to drafting that position regardless of who is available when you pick. You have to take the best player you can and try and get a need filled, too. How can you look at Sy's evaluations of our picks and not be extremely happy. They has a very good draft.
Giants2012  
Canton : 5/1/2016 11:33 am : link
Isn't helping his cause....lol.

Giants2012 so draft players don't count  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:33 am : link
I guess nothing makes you happy.

You complain about us taking a FS with 19 career INTs, pretty great production if you ask me. You don't like the free agent signings. We got 3 defensive players in the draft at need positions.

I mean why even root for this team?
Amazing some say this draft is a amazing..  
Shockwave : 5/1/2016 11:33 am : link
the guys have not played one down in the NFL lol
RE: The offensive line is NOT the reason we were 6-10 last year  
robbieballs2003 : 5/1/2016 11:34 am : link
In comment 12938598 Section131 said:
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it was the defense. The defense has been fixed.


Once again, it is never one thing. It is always a combination. How did that Minnesota game without Beckham go?
my only point on this post is about the oline  
Section131 : 5/1/2016 11:35 am : link
The Giants arrow is pointing waaaaay up!!!!
everybody have a great Sunday, let's go Mets!
RE: RE: The Giants ranked 18th in rushing.  
Klaatu : 5/1/2016 11:38 am : link
In comment 12938630 Mark C said:
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In comment 12938549 Klaatu said:


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22nd in 3rd down conversions, and 27th in time-of-possession. It's not bashing - it's a valid concern. It's unfortunate that the O-Line couldn't be addressed in the draft, but it just wasn't in the cards.



The rankings you cite are not exclusively the fault of the OL. There's also the fact that this offense essentially had one weapon last season. How do you improve time of possession or third down conversions when you have one WR who can consistently get open, and a backfield that absolutely telegraphs what play they're going to run based on what personnel is on the field? Clearly the Giants are trying to diversify their offensive options, and this draft did not fall in such a way that enabled them to immediately improve the OL play significantly.


I agree, which is why I said it was unfortunate that they couldn't upgrade the OL in the draft. Not fatal, Not "fire Reese now!" Simply unfortunate.

On the plus side, for the offense, they added a dynamic new WR in the Cruz mold, a triple-threat RB, and a big, tough, fast TE whom I hope will see the field sooner rather than later. All three should help us on 3rd downs and in time-of-possession. But an upgrade in the O-Line would help, too, and the Giants have four more months to see if they can get that upgrade.
RE: Amazing some say this draft is a amazing..  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 12938641 Shockwave said:
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the guys have not played one down in the NFL lol


because you judge with the info you have at hand. realistically we cannot judge for a year or two, but on paper we took solid production players who seemingly have less holes in their game than some currently on the roster. they are all clean prospects off the field and held in high regard among their teammates. the filled our needs as well, and we didnt reach we got good value while filling a need and that regardless of what others tell you is a major goal for the draft fill needs while getting good value and sticking to your board. all those things considered it was a GREAT draft
When, reactive to the season he started, and how....  
Bill L : 5/1/2016 11:39 am : link
did we get Kareem Mackenzie?
RE: Flowers not having an ankle  
dust_bowl : 5/1/2016 11:41 am : link
In comment 12938553 hitdog42 said:
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Is essentially adding a player to the ol this year-
nah the Giants have the worst right side in the league and their starting te can't block
Lol  
dust_bowl : 5/1/2016 11:42 am : link
Section thinks every draftee will be a good player
RE: Giants2012 so draft players don't count  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:43 am : link
In comment 12938639 Section131 said:
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I guess nothing makes you happy.

You complain about us taking a FS with 19 career INTs, pretty great production if you ask me. You don't like the free agent signings. We got 3 defensive players in the draft at need positions.

I mean why even root for this team?


Only those with a short term memory and imagination would agree with you. Fortunately, you have a lot of company.

Don't worry about the OL is your thread. Really? Is K-Mart having a sale on offensive lineman for the right side? Let's bank on Bobby Hart b/c if he doesn't make it who will? There is zero depth on the OL and not even starters teams would want on the right side today. No worries, really, it's all good.

The FS had 19 interceptions from the Pac12. In a league where e centerfielder is likley more important than the MLB, why did he slip to Round 3? A FS with those stats goes in Round 1. Hopefully he's a Percy Ellsworth but where does that leave the free safeties drafted one year ago which, fans like you, may have loved?

Apparently everything makes you happy. I guess if i only had a short term memory and told everybody my solution to the right side of the OL was "don't worry" I'd be on your page.

Don't worry about the OL b/c we have three starters and are in search for the right side and backups for the starters.

RE: Section131...  
OC2.0 : 5/1/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 12938583 M.S. said:
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...I am one who's definitely positive about this Draft. I think I was the only one to give it an A+.

But I can tell you something flat out.

If our offensive line doesn't improve in the run blocking game and we finish 27th again in time of possession, I guarantee you the Giants ain't gonna do shit this year and we'll be drafting once more in the Top 10 come 2017.

Depend upon it.


The O gameplan was a factor in that. The O rated #6,I believe, you complaining about that? No RB's with any speed to mention also makes the OL look worse than it actually is. Hopefully this kid Perkins remedies that.
RE: RE: Section131...  
robbieballs2003 : 5/1/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 12938669 OC2.0 said:
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In comment 12938583 M.S. said:


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...I am one who's definitely positive about this Draft. I think I was the only one to give it an A+.

But I can tell you something flat out.

If our offensive line doesn't improve in the run blocking game and we finish 27th again in time of possession, I guarantee you the Giants ain't gonna do shit this year and we'll be drafting once more in the Top 10 come 2017.

Depend upon it.



The O gameplan was a factor in that. The O rated #6,I believe, you complaining about that? No RB's with any speed to mention also makes the OL look worse than it actually is. Hopefully this kid Perkins remedies that.


And Eli makes the OL look better than they are so it kind of all balances out doesn't it?
RE: RE: Giants2012 so draft players don't count  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:47 am : link
In comment 12938663 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938639 Section131 said:


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I guess nothing makes you happy.

You complain about us taking a FS with 19 career INTs, pretty great production if you ask me. You don't like the free agent signings. We got 3 defensive players in the draft at need positions.

I mean why even root for this team?



Only those with a short term memory and imagination would agree with you. Fortunately, you have a lot of company.

Don't worry about the OL is your thread. Really? Is K-Mart having a sale on offensive lineman for the right side? Let's bank on Bobby Hart b/c if he doesn't make it who will? There is zero depth on the OL and not even starters teams would want on the right side today. No worries, really, it's all good.

The FS had 19 interceptions from the Pac12. In a league where e centerfielder is likley more important than the MLB, why did he slip to Round 3? A FS with those stats goes in Round 1. Hopefully he's a Percy Ellsworth but where does that leave the free safeties drafted one year ago which, fans like you, may have loved?

Apparently everything makes you happy. I guess if i only had a short term memory and told everybody my solution to the right side of the OL was "don't worry" I'd be on your page.

Don't worry about the OL b/c we have three starters and are in search for the right side and backups for the starters.


i dont attack posters often but you are def in the running for some of the dumbest shit i have seen on this board. "slip" to the third round lol...people dont slip to the third, if its a true slip its to the 6th lmao.

3rd round you get quality football players. 19 INTs in his career isnt something you just throw away, he broke weddles number and i dont think i need to go into his NFL career stats do i?

You will never be happy. PLEASE PLEASE tell me what you would have done differently ALL things considered. your only argument is tunsil at ten, the OTHER OTs were poor value picks when we were on the clock, it wasnt a deep OL draft at all.

we did really well, didnt force anything. we let the draft come to us. we stood our ground and took value+need when we picked.

you can say what you want but the giants have IMPROVED BIG TIME this offseason, saying otehrwise is trolling or true stupidity
I never thought every hole would be filled this year.  
OBJ31 : 5/1/2016 11:47 am : link
But with the FA spending spree, and the draft we had most of them were filled.. The Giants defense is much improved, we lost Randle but replaced him with someone who should be better. The talent personnel on this team is much much better compared to last season. They could easily be playoff bound and with a good FA and/or draft next year, they could be a legit contender, instead of taking 3 to 4 years to read tool.
RE: RE: Section131...  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:48 am : link
In comment 12938669 OC2.0 said:
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In comment 12938583 M.S. No RB's with any speed to mention also makes the OL look worse than it actually is. Hopefully this kid Perkins remedies that.


Darkwa has better foot speed than both Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs. The backs need holes to run through.
There is still  
Mike B from JC : 5/1/2016 11:51 am : link
A big need for a RT. I think they will get one? Either via the draft or trade. I think this was the plan all along.
Well,  
Doomster : 5/1/2016 11:51 am : link
Section131 : 11:01 am
1. They only had 6 picks to play with

What does that have to do with the OL? If they had 7 would they have gone for an OLman?

2. This line was EIGTH in the NFL last year in offense

The line was not 8th in offense....Eli and OBj were...

3. Bobby Hart has a role on the right side somehow

At best, he is a backup.....

4. The offseason isn't finished yet

That I agree with.....there is the possibility of a June 1st cut, a late camp cut, or even a trade.....but we aren't going to make a move unless it is an upgrade.....

With all the holes on the team, several were not going to be filled by FAcy and the draft......and is it realistic to think that all 6 draftees become starters? We will be lucky if we get two.....while the others may not start, they may grow into a starting role, or be upgrades to some of the backups now in place.....

This was a good draft, in the sense that these guys, for the most part, don't look like projects.....they look like they can contribute and make plays....

We have to hope with a healthy ankle, we see improvement from Flowers....that Pugh can stay healthy.....That Richburg is the rock of this line.....maybe Jerry/Newhouse get better.....maybe, as you hope, Hart is the answer.....maybe we get lucky and someone falls into our lap......

You can't fix everything in one season....sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils.....but this team looks like it is going to be fun to watch this year, if everything pans out right....
Bleed blue  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:52 am : link
I'm not the only one taking this stance so save the "dumb shit" comments as it's obvious critical thinking is low on your priority list and need a big hug of positive reinforcement your team is great.

Remember the Dream team in Philly, etc. Forget them right, the Giants are awesome is all that sinks into heads like yours.

mmm  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:53 am : link
i think at least 4 will start whether or not they are quality starters remains to be seen.

shepard, goodson, thompson, perkins will see significant time this year

apple will too because drc tpically cannot stay healthy...
and truthfully TE seems to be wide open, who knows what adams ceiling is, he could be playing sooner than later. we took no projects in this draft and some guys are extremely polished for their age. shepard i think makes an IMMEDIATE imapct as in week 1
His problem is  
Doomster : 5/1/2016 11:55 am : link
Giants2012 : 11:48 am : link : reply
Darkwa has better foot speed than both Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs. The backs need holes to run through.

he couldn't stay on the field.....he would have a good series, and then get nicked up....one time it was his back, I forgot what the others were....

We needed another RB......Hopefully, Perkins is that guy....
RE: Bleed blue  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:56 am : link
In comment 12938687 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
I'm not the only one taking this stance so save the "dumb shit" comments as it's obvious critical thinking is low on your priority list and need a big hug of positive reinforcement your team is great.

Remember the Dream team in Philly, etc. Forget them right, the Giants are awesome is all that sinks into heads like yours.


who said the team is great? and NOBODY shares your opinion. yes people say the OL is in trouble myself included knows we need help but you havent said ONE positive thing yet and I dont think ANYBODY here feels all negative. you didnt even acknowledge the improvement on defense layughing at someone when they said the defense appears fixed. again youre negative as hell and thats fine, but dont for a minute act like the giants arent improved and havent filled holes
RE: I never thought every hole would be filled this year.  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 11:56 am : link
Neither did i yet Aren't we saying that every year though? Every year the team fills two holes and gets three more.

Giants2012  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 11:58 am : link
i am done here, you are just negative about EVERYTHING. do you have ANY positives to offer the convo? do you like ANYONE the giants drafted? talking about fucking foot speed of a RB, perkins was a late round pick and we got VERY good value there, everyone seems to think it but you point out ANY negative. didnt perkins have the top elusiveness rating? yea his foot speed sucks though i agree
Apple  
Mike B from JC : 5/1/2016 12:00 pm : link
Is going to see major time irregardless of drc getting hurt or not? Teams are in 3 wrsets 65% of the time. A good third cb, is required. He's going to play alot.
The concerns  
Gregorio : 5/1/2016 12:00 pm : link
about Oline weaknesses are entirely valid. To express them is not bashing. Many here recall painfully well, the ineptitude of the 2013 season, where the Oline were consistently trampled in the first 6 games. Eli had no time to throw. The OL has improved since, but you can’t blame fans for wanting excellence.

For example, to question the choice of Eli Apple in the first is entirely valid. He's not likely to start. Decker and Tunsil were available, and likely will start, and statistically will have longer NFL careers than Apple. It's entirely debatable and valid to question these choices.
RE: His problem is  
OC2.0 : 5/1/2016 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12938692 Doomster said:
Quote:
Giants2012 : 11:48 am : link : reply
Darkwa has better foot speed than both Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs. The backs need holes to run through.

he couldn't stay on the field.....he would have a good series, and then get nicked up....one time it was his back, I forgot what the others were....

We needed another RB......Hopefully, Perkins is that guy....


This^^^
RE: The concerns  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12938708 Gregorio said:
Quote:
about Oline weaknesses are entirely valid. To express them is not bashing. Many here recall painfully well, the ineptitude of the 2013 season, where the Oline were consistently trampled in the first 6 games. Eli had no time to throw. The OL has improved since, but you can’t blame fans for wanting excellence.

For example, to question the choice of Eli Apple in the first is entirely valid. He's not likely to start. Decker and Tunsil were available, and likely will start, and statistically will have longer NFL careers than Apple. It's entirely debatable and valid to question these choices.


1. yes its valid but to be negative about EVERY pick is silly

2. apple will start teams play a lot of 3 and 4 wides...

3. the OL value wasnt there, they dont want tunsil because of off field shit plus they dont want to move flowers...
That's because  
Doomster : 5/1/2016 12:03 pm : link
RE: I never thought every hole would be filled this year.
Giants2012 : 11:56 am : link : reply
Neither did i yet Aren't we saying that every year though? Every year the team fills two holes and gets three more.

We sign players like Beason, have too many players who can't stay on the field, and because of too many bad seasons of drafting.....

This team roster has been made over, new HC, new OC, Spags has some horses to work with....if things pan out, and we get lucky with fewer injuries, we can turn this around...
RE: His problem is  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12938692 Doomster said:
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Giants2012 : 11:48 am : link : reply
Darkwa
We needed another RB......Hopefully, Perkins is that guy....


For you and blue

The problem is they keep drafting the same positions and not developing players. Hart might be the first pick after Round 2 the team has developed in years. Unless you want to include Kuhn.

They drafted Williams, signed Vereen, signed Jennings, brought in Darkwa and still need another HB?

There is nobody here from the 2012 draft class and only two have been productive from the 2013 class. Only two see the field on a regular basis from 2014.

Reese is on notice for a reason and last i checked the Skins and Boys don't appear as incompetent as years ago while the franchise QB is aging. Meanwhile, don't worry about the right side of the OL? How about not giving the front office the benefit of doubt and I've been as big a Reese supporter as any.

I'm no Newhouse stan but right side blocking picked up  
Mason : 5/1/2016 12:09 pm : link
when Larry went down with an injury. Donnell has some talent but blocking is not one of them. Tye is no powerhouse blocker but at least he attempts to make contact with a edge rusher.
But also  
Doomster : 5/1/2016 12:11 pm : link
Gregorio : 12:00 pm : link : reply
For example, to question the choice of Eli Apple in the first is entirely valid. He's not likely to start. Decker and Tunsil were available, and likely will start, and statistically will have longer NFL careers than Apple. It's entirely debatable and valid to question these choices.

Can you guarantee Decker/Tunsil will start, and at what level?

Did you see or DB's last year? What happened when DRC went out of the game? What happened when Prince was lost? Who was our nickel/slot corner? Apple is needed.....the only debate is, was he was a better pick than the 7 guys picked after him....and only time can answer that....
RE: The concerns  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12938708 Gregorio said:
Quote:
about Oline weaknesses are entirely valid. To express them is not bashing. Many here recall painfully well, the ineptitude of the 2013 season, where the Oline were consistently trampled in the first 6 games. Eli had no time to throw. The OL has improved since, but you can’t blame fans for wanting excellence.

For example, to question the choice of Eli Apple in the first is entirely valid. He's not likely to start. Decker and Tunsil were available, and likely will start, and statistically will have longer NFL careers than Apple. It's entirely debatable and valid to question these choices.


+1

Great post. Maybe a few other will read it and maybe understand.

RE: Bleed blue  
therealmf : 5/1/2016 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12938687 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
I'm not the only one taking this stance so save the "dumb shit" comments as it's obvious critical thinking is low on your priority list and need a big hug of positive reinforcement your team is great.

Remember the Dream team in Philly, etc. Forget them right, the Giants are awesome is all that sinks into heads like yours.


You and others would be pissed off about the lack of a No 2 receiver if the Giants picked a OT in round 2 and not Shepard. You come off as someone who prefers to be angry rather than not.

The Giants had a ton of holes after the season, more that one season could fix. If you agree with this why can't you say anything good of the progress made? Are all holes fixed? Of course not. But it certainly appears that they have closed quite a few.

And yes, I know they haven't played a game yet and how this teams comes together is important. And yes Philly had the Dream Team and yes the rookies are unproven.

I don't recall one positive post from you. If you can't find any reason not to have hope that things are better this year I'd suggest you do one or more of the following.
Take a pill.
Stop being involved with the Giants. Stop posting/reading/caring. It obviously gives you no pleasure.
Keep it to yourself.

Create a separate thread for yourself. Most of your complaints are for past years and cannot be undone. It is time to move on.

RE: RE: Bleed blue  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12938735 therealmf said:
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In
(1) You and others would be pissed off about the lack of a No 2 receiver if the Giants picked a OT in round 2 and not Shepard. You come off as someone who prefers to be angry rather than not.

(2) The Giants had a ton of holes after the season, more that one season could fix. If you agree with this why can't you say anything good of the progress made? Are all holes fixed? Of course not. But it certainly appears that they have closed quite a few.

(3) I don't recall one positive post from you. If you can't find any reason not to have hope that things are better this year I'd suggest you do one or more of the following.



1 - please don't speak for me as it's obvious you are only guessing and reading my comments here. I just saw Cam Newtown almost win a Super Bowl without Benjamin and mediocre receivers. I didn't want a receiver yet understand why they drafted one.

2. The Giants, like every offseason, had to fill holes and did. Like every year for the past four years they fill holes and then create more. It's clear the cap dollars accumulated b/c the team was creating more holes than they were filling.

3. It's obvious you only read this this and honestly, I've never even heard of you.
From reading the draft guides, aside from the 1st rounders  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/1/2016 12:21 pm : link
Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin and Decker, the other OT were not plug and play. Many like Spriggs had strength issues and are slated to be redshirted. They couldn't draft Tunsil (obviously), Stanley and Conklin were gone. Unless they reach for Decker, the OL wouldn't factor into 2016 anyway outside of competitive depth. I hate reaching for players, that's a recipe for disaster.

So it makes sense what they did, I don't think they were avoiding OL per se but perhaps they felt, this guy is not helping us this year anyhow, we'll secure a vet for RT. From JR's responses, I feel 100% that they will make some trade/signing to get help there. A vet that can play right away. Will it be a young stud like Conklin, obviously not. But they can upgrade Newhouse.
RE: RE: RE: Bleed blue  
therealmf : 5/1/2016 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12938741 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938735 therealmf said:


Quote:


In
(1) You and others would be pissed off about the lack of a No 2 receiver if the Giants picked a OT in round 2 and not Shepard. You come off as someone who prefers to be angry rather than not.

(2) The Giants had a ton of holes after the season, more that one season could fix. If you agree with this why can't you say anything good of the progress made? Are all holes fixed? Of course not. But it certainly appears that they have closed quite a few.

(3) I don't recall one positive post from you. If you can't find any reason not to have hope that things are better this year I'd suggest you do one or more of the following.





1 - please don't speak for me as it's obvious you are only guessing and reading my comments here. I just saw Cam Newtown almost win a Super Bowl without Benjamin and mediocre receivers. I didn't want a receiver yet understand why they drafted one.

2. The Giants, like every offseason, had to fill holes and did. Like every year for the past four years they fill holes and then create more. It's clear the cap dollars accumulated b/c the team was creating more holes than they were filling.

3. It's obvious you only read this this and honestly, I've never even heard of you.


1- Fine, I think most of us did. But Carolina is a running team with a very strong defense, so I don't understand the implied comparison.

2- Again you are using the past to to justify your present view.

3- I don't know you either. But I have seen a number of your posts and the ones I've seen are negative.
RE: From reading the draft guides, aside from the 1st rounders  
OC2.0 : 5/1/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12938743 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin and Decker, the other OT were not plug and play. Many like Spriggs had strength issues and are slated to be redshirted. They couldn't draft Tunsil (obviously), Stanley and Conklin were gone. Unless they reach for Decker, the OL wouldn't factor into 2016 anyway outside of competitive depth. I hate reaching for players, that's a recipe for disaster.

So it makes sense what they did, I don't think they were avoiding OL per se but perhaps they felt, this guy is not helping us this year anyhow, we'll secure a vet for RT. From JR's responses, I feel 100% that they will make some trade/signing to get help there. A vet that can play right away. Will it be a young stud like Conklin, obviously not. But they can upgrade Newhouse.


How dare you make sense of OL question.
RE: Giants2012 so draft players don't count  
Section331 : 5/1/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12938639 Section131 said:
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I mean why even root for this team?


He pulled the same crap on Mets' threads, mocking Sandy Alderson at every opportunity, then strangely disappeared when they started winning. He's a one-trick pony whose trick grew tired long ago.
RE: RE: Giants2012 so draft players don't count  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12938773 Section331 said:
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In comment 12938639 Section131 said:


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I mean why even root for this team?



He pulled the same crap on Mets' threads, mocking Sandy Alderson at every opportunity, then strangely disappeared when they started winning. He's a one-trick pony whose trick grew tired long ago.


Oh you are so full of it. Claiming Flores was not a SS sent your type into meltdown mode and look what happened. The entire city was after Aldersson until the Cespedes trade while your type preached 90 wins for a team that couldn't even score. You're like Flores, a bench warmer poster
WTH are you talking about?  
Section331 : 5/1/2016 12:47 pm : link
Believe me, I never claimed Flores was a good fit at SS, quite the opposite actually. But, as with most of your threads, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
And, I never predicted 90 wins.  
Section331 : 5/1/2016 12:50 pm : link
I was in the 82-85 range until the mid-season moves. I don't know who you have me confused for, but I stand by my statement. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Alderson (or Reese for that matter), but for you, it was incessant and tiring.
RE: WTH are you talking about?  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12938789 Section331 said:
Quote:
Believe me, I never claimed Flores was a good fit at SS, quite the opposite actually. But, as with most of your threads, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.


You're so full of it. I questioned Flores and Alderson and that's it. You're just a prick who chimes without any facts. Go ride the bench
Weren't you the one chiding name calling  
Section331 : 5/1/2016 12:53 pm : link
in another thread just yesterday? Does the 12 in your handle represent your age? Grow up dude.
RE: Weren't you the one chiding name calling  
UConn4523 : 5/1/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12938801 Section331 said:
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in another thread just yesterday? Does the 12 in your handle represent your age? Grow up dude.


That was me. He then called out another poster for name calling which was kinda hilarious.

No gray area ever with some people. Either this team goes 16-0 or 0-16. The OL is still a work in progress while we upgraded other units. Defense is why we missed the playoffs last year, not or lackluster run game. Do some of you even watch?
RE: Weren't you the one chiding name calling  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12938801 Section331 said:
[quote] in another thread just yesterday? Does the 12 in your handle represent your age? Grow up dude. [/quote

Go to the Mets thread and post with Z all day and night. He'll give your the cheerleading you need b/c you can't think. Get lost
OL  
JohnVB : 5/1/2016 1:13 pm : link
It's valid to criticize the failure to address the OL but the talent wasn't there. Tunsil? He's an injury flag and a character flag. Decker? Most would've considered him a huge reach at 10. There was a huge drop off in talent after Stanley/Conklin and I'm glad Reese didn't force the pick.

The Giants had a ton of holes and addressed almost all of them with players that can impact immediately. The Giants have the most talent they've had in the secondary with DRC/Jenkins, and draft picks invested in Collins/Thompson/Apple. The DL is slim on depth but has premium starting talent with JPP/Vernon/Hankins/Harrison. The LB corps has athleticism and potential with Kennard/Robinson/Goodson. On paper this D should go from the worst to above average overnight.

Offensively, the Giants have a franchise QB with a top 3 WR. They added arguably the most pro ready WR in Sheppard. They got a steal in Adams who was the most athletic TE in the draft from a SEC program. They added a playmaker to the RB mix. 3/5 of the OL is stocked with talent.

High character guys with no injury issues. Productive players from big time programs. This team should be in the playoffs if they have better injury luck, even with weakness on the right side of the OL.
lol  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 1:28 pm : link
@ giants2012 telling others they cant think.

you clearly have ZERO idea how this game works. The giants have filled many needs and the positivity that fans have is just as justified as your hate for seemingly every move the giants make. we filled needs you want to hate on every pick...we had 6 picks we cant get EVERYTHING. outside the top few tackles NONE of them are plug and play, all seem to need work and/or are projects. that doesnt help us NOW. what helped us now are the picks they made filling immediate needs. offseason isnt even over. you must be a real joy to be around IRL. such a positive human being lol

again...what route would you have taken?
RE: OL  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12938837 JohnVB said:
Quote:
It's valid to criticize the failure to address the OL but the talent wasn't there. Tunsil? He's an injury flag and a character flag. Decker? Most would've considered him a huge reach at 10. There was a huge drop off in talent after Stanley/Conklin and I'm glad Reese didn't force the pick.

The Giants had a ton of holes and addressed almost all of them with players that can impact immediately. The Giants have the most talent they've had in the secondary with DRC/Jenkins, and draft picks invested in Collins/Thompson/Apple. The DL is slim on depth but has premium starting talent with JPP/Vernon/Hankins/Harrison. The LB corps has athleticism and potential with Kennard/Robinson/Goodson. On paper this D should go from the worst to above average overnight.

Offensively, the Giants have a franchise QB with a top 3 WR. They added arguably the most pro ready WR in Sheppard. They got a steal in Adams who was the most athletic TE in the draft from a SEC program. They added a playmaker to the RB mix. 3/5 of the OL is stocked with talent.

High character guys with no injury issues. Productive players from big time programs. This team should be in the playoffs if they have better injury luck, even with weakness on the right side of the OL.


+1

this sums up everything I have said/believe
RE: lol  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12938869 BleedBlue said:
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@ giants2012 telling others they cant think.

you clearly have ZERO idea how this game works. The giants have filled many needs and the positivity that fans have is just as justified as your hate for seemingly every move the giants make. we filled needs you want to hate on every pick...we had 6 picks we cant get EVERYTHING. outside the top few tackles NONE of them are plug and play, all seem to need work and/or are projects. that doesnt help us NOW. what helped us now are the picks they made filling immediate needs. offseason isnt even over. you must be a real joy to be around IRL. such a positive human being lol

again...what route would you have taken?


Thanks Troll, some nice half ass research there. That post he made was after pick 1 and before Round 2 when many news outlets, etc were all questioning what happened at #10.

If you like right side of the OL then good for you. Quite a few find it unsettling being the project has been underway since 2012.
RE: RE: lol  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12938887 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938869 BleedBlue said:


Quote:


@ giants2012 telling others they cant think.

you clearly have ZERO idea how this game works. The giants have filled many needs and the positivity that fans have is just as justified as your hate for seemingly every move the giants make. we filled needs you want to hate on every pick...we had 6 picks we cant get EVERYTHING. outside the top few tackles NONE of them are plug and play, all seem to need work and/or are projects. that doesnt help us NOW. what helped us now are the picks they made filling immediate needs. offseason isnt even over. you must be a real joy to be around IRL. such a positive human being lol

again...what route would you have taken?



Thanks Troll, some nice half ass research there. That post he made was after pick 1 and before Round 2 when many news outlets, etc were all questioning what happened at #10.

If you like right side of the OL then good for you. Quite a few find it unsettling being the project has been underway since 2012.


am a troll? lol thats hilarious. I HAVE SAID MULTIPLE times i am not happy about the right side but i dont bash EVERY giants pick like you bc youre a miserable prick.

again what would YOU have done in the draft since EVERY pick was bad, in those spots all things considered who do you take instead?
Bleed  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 1:44 pm : link
Blank off

I never bashed all the picks like you claim. You're an idiot and that half ass research proves you're a troll.
RE: Bleed  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12938901 Giants2012 said:
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Blank off

I never bashed all the picks like you claim. You're an idiot and that half ass research proves you're a troll.


what research wtf are you talking about lmao...

go back and reread your posts.

you bitched about perkins, you bitched about D thompson, you bitched about apple, you literally complain about everything...

FOR THE 100TH time....who ould YOU have taken?
Learn to read troll  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 1:49 pm : link
Start for the beginning of the thread or get lost.
RE: Learn to read troll  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12938909 Giants2012 said:
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Start for the beginning of the thread or get lost.



LOL youre silly man.

I have been posting on this board for a while and I am nowhere near a troll. its funny though how the person actually trolling tries to turn it around and call others a troll. have a good day man, your football knowledge is nonexistent
RE: RE: Learn to read troll  
Giants2012 : 5/1/2016 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12938917 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 12938909 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


Start for the beginning of the thread or get lost.




LOL youre silly man.

I have been posting on this board for a while and I am nowhere near a troll. its funny though how the person actually trolling tries to turn it around and call others a troll. have a good day man, your football knowledge is nonexistent


Ditto - go preach how the "defense is fixed" and be a hypocrite by claiming the FS is an instant upgrade in one post followed by it takes rookies time to develop. You're all over the place and a troll.
I have always been on the "improve OL as the #1 priority" bandwagon  
PatersonPlank : 5/1/2016 2:01 pm : link
and for the record I would have grabbed Tunsil, pot gas-mask and all. However I don't dislike the Apple pick, and I agree with all the rest of the picks. I don't think the value was there for us on the OL in Rds2, 3, and so on. Shepard, Thompson, and Goodson were the best picks we could have made.

SO we need to improve RT, but I don't thin kits right to bash this draft for not doing it. We improved CB, S, WR, and LB, all areas of need too. It wasn't all going to happen at once, and I'm glad they didn't skip Goodson (for example) just to take some RT who wasnt' going to make it anyway.
On more point while I'm still here, even though I am not a fan at all,  
PatersonPlank : 5/1/2016 2:03 pm : link
I do think Newhouse is better at RT then our 3rd WR was (Shepard will replace), our slot corner was (Apple), about the same as our current FS, and he's definitely better than whoever our 3rd starting linebacker is (who hopefully Goodson replaces).

So I agree with the picks from that point too.
RE: RE: RE: Learn to read troll  
BleedBlue : 5/1/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12938930 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938917 BleedBlue said:


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In comment 12938909 Giants2012 said:


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Start for the beginning of the thread or get lost.




LOL youre silly man.

I have been posting on this board for a while and I am nowhere near a troll. its funny though how the person actually trolling tries to turn it around and call others a troll. have a good day man, your football knowledge is nonexistent



Ditto - go preach how the "defense is fixed" and be a hypocrite by claiming the FS is an instant upgrade in one post followed by it takes rookies time to develop. You're all over the place and a troll.


lol i didnt say rookies take time to develop that was someone else...but it is a true statement lol
RE: RE: RE: Learn to read troll  
Amtoft : 5/1/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12938930 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12938917 BleedBlue said:


Quote:


In comment 12938909 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


Start for the beginning of the thread or get lost.




LOL youre silly man.

I have been posting on this board for a while and I am nowhere near a troll. its funny though how the person actually trolling tries to turn it around and call others a troll. have a good day man, your football knowledge is nonexistent



Ditto - go preach how the "defense is fixed" and be a hypocrite by claiming the FS is an instant upgrade in one post followed by it takes rookies time to develop. You're all over the place and a troll.


Hahaha freaking out again... what is it that you said psychopath? To he honest i just think you are stupid and have zero knowledge of football rather than being a psychopath.
what if  
woj:) : 5/1/2016 6:49 pm : link
instead of flowers-pugh-richburg-jerry-newhouse would you get on board with flowers-jerry-richburg-hart-pugh? Basically putting Pugh back at RT for the season.
Does anyone know  
Gregorio : 5/1/2016 8:54 pm : link
how often, in terms of the percentage of defensive snaps, the Giants played a 3rd cornerback (recent years)?
RE: Does anyone know  
Klaatu : 5/2/2016 12:14 am : link
In comment 12939648 Gregorio said:
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how often, in terms of the percentage of defensive snaps, the Giants played a 3rd cornerback (recent years)?


I don't know about the Giants, specifically, but the league average for nickel/sub-packages is around 65%, because offenses are trotting out 3 WRs at the same rate. It's around 30% for 4 WRs. Today, at minimum, you need three starting-caliber CBs.

Add to that the fact that the draft is primarily about the future, not just to fill immediate needs. When you factor in the uncertainty surrounding DRC's future with the team after 2016, drafting a top-tier CB this year makes a whole lot of sense.
RE: RE: Does anyone know  
Carson53 : 5/2/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 12939917 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12939648 Gregorio said:


Quote:


how often, in terms of the percentage of defensive snaps, the Giants played a 3rd cornerback (recent years)?



I don't know about the Giants, specifically, but the league average for nickel/sub-packages is around 65%, because offenses are trotting out 3 WRs at the same rate. It's around 30% for 4 WRs. Today, at minimum, you need three starting-caliber CBs.

Add to that the fact that the draft is primarily about the future, not just to fill immediate needs. When you factor in the uncertainty surrounding DRC's future with the team after 2016, drafting a top-tier CB this year makes a whole lot of sense.



I don't know the exact percentage the Giants play, but my
guess would be at least 60% of the time. Expect the
'Apple of your eye' to see plenty of playing time.
Interesting thread, geez.

if Reese can somehow find a good RT  
Jersey55 : 5/2/2016 4:43 pm : link
to replace Newhouse this line will be fine..
RE: Does anyone know  
Giants2012 : 5/2/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12939648 Gregorio said:
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how often, in terms of the percentage of defensive snaps, the Giants played a 3rd cornerback (recent years)?


Not sure but we know the team used 3 safeties for a while and had success years ago.
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