Does the drafting of Perkins, Sterling & Adams signify

is going to make changes. I think there is a great chance for this year's picks to make the roster because a new coach wants to bring in his guys and do things his way.

Sure, Coughlins style of offense has always been a vertical passing game. Probably had a lot to do with him being so professionally compatible with Gilbride and why he stuck around so long. But the OP isn't wrong. The run game within that offense was a power rush game that favored big OL (as opposed to your prototypical zone blocking OL) and power backs in the 6', 215+ lb range. And while Bradshaw was the outlier size-wise he was still a power back. They brought in Veree n but that doesn't happen without McAdoo.

I agree with the OP, McAdoo has definitely had an influence on the drafting, even in his first season. Or possibly it could just be Reese without Coughlin's input/influence. But with how well the above named guys fit I find that unlikely.

In comment 12939036 Modus Operandi said:

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Which season Tom Coughlin adhered to a power running game? The answer is never. He's always believed in a vertical passing attack.

Huh? A vertical passing game doesn't mean you cannot have a power running game. In fact, a vertical passing game and a power running game go hand in hand.

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But with how well the above named guys fit what McAdoo wants to do I find that unlikely.

being complemented by a power running game.
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and be able to set up play-action passes.

In comment 12939036 Modus Operandi said:

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Which season Tom Coughlin adhered to a power running game? The answer is never. He's always believed in a vertical passing attack.

Have you heard of Brandon Jacobs?

In comment 12939087 robbieballs2003 said:

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being complemented by a power running game. Link - ( New Window )

That's a really interesting read. The chart makes it obvious, when he's given the elements he needs to run that offense his teams thrive.

In comment 12939077 Steve in South Jersey said:

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is going to make changes. I think there is a great chance for this year's picks to make the roster because a new coach wants to bring in his guys and do things his way.

Good point. Solari brought in one his guys from the Niners already.

Giants points.

2008 was the last season TC emphasized the power rush. After 2008, Nicks/Bradshaw and eventually Cruz become integral parts of the offense. Eli's YPA steadily decline, OL transitions from raid grader types like KMAC and Snee to more adept pass protectors.

That's the way it's been since.

nothing. Yet.

We'll see

This is another canard.

Actually, Coughlin was adept at using what was on hand. When he had Natrone Means or Brandon Jacobs or Derrick Ward, it was a power running game. When he had Fred Taylor or Ahmad Bradshaw or Tiki Barber, it wasn't.

As for Perkins, you would think he was the second coming of Jim Brown. A fifth round pick means they could be looking at him as a kick returner for all anyone knows. With Vereen and Jennings around, I don't see a role for him otherwise.

Sheppard, a smaller guy who has already had 3 concussions, may say more about Victor "No really, I'm 100%" Cruz than anything else.

Adams appears to have fallen because he's got a reputation for being lazy, but nevertheless, he's the latest experiment in former b-ball players being converted to tight end. The only difference with Adams is that Jerry is taking them in the 6th round now and not the 4th.

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This is another canard.

ArtinNJ? Is that you??

....that there's no power running game because they're incapable of it.

I remember one game in the past two years where are opponent had 3 of 4 starters in secondary out of the game and we continued to try to establish the run and eventually lost the game.

Enough of this bullshit will eventually convince readers that T.C. should be in the same category of head coaches as the infamous R-- H------.
Lay off the guy. He brought us TWO Super Bowl Victories!.

There are two main styles to a running game; man and zone. A man blocking scheme is synonymous with a power blocking scheme. Having a power running game doesn't mean having a dominant running game. It just means that it is a man on man scheme. There are different types of runs out of this. With a zone blocking scheme the OL have an area or zone not a specific man. There are two main zone runs. They are an inside zone and an outside zone. Not once have we ever been a zone blocking team under Coughlin. He has always wanted to be a dominant running team. He has always had a power running system but just because we had weak offensive lineman doesn't. Meam we didn't have a power blocking team. Once again, power blocking is a style not a result. Yes, we supposedly had some zone concepts under McAdoo as the OC but we were still primarily a man or power blocking team.

In comment 12939036 Modus Operandi said:

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Which season Tom Coughlin adhered to a power running game? The answer is never. He's always believed in a vertical passing attack.

I agree. And Williams never belonged in that type of offense. I can't help thinking that Williams was drafted solely because he played at Boston College. The guy reminds me of Ron Dayne. Hand him the ball and he runs into the first defender he sees.

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I agree. And Williams never belonged in that type of offense. I can't help thinking that Williams was drafted solely because he played at Boston College. The guy reminds me of Ron Dayne. Hand him the ball and he runs into the first defender he sees.

Or an offensive lineman's ass, whichever got in the way first...

and no wiggle.

The problem was also he got little help from his OG (cough... John Jerry) and absolutely no help from his FB or TE.

He's not a threat to catch the ball so defenses are able to load the box on him.

I would like to see him behind a RG who run blocks, a FB that doesn't whiff and a TE who isn't driven back by linebackers.

Drafted under Coughlin?

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New York Giants.

Didn't the Giants win one Super Bowl this decade and one super bowl the prior decade? Both falling in the 21st century ?

You're insufferable.

On the roster and his offensive schemes were poor, when he is responsible for two Lombardi trophies in the lobby.

Talk about seeing what you want.

I wonder how long McAdoo has before he's criticized for forcing the run or pass. I'm guessing the first loss

In comment 12939087 robbieballs2003 said:

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being complemented by a power running game. Link - ( New Window )

That is an excellent article. Good find.

...it signifies one thing...competition if you want to make this team.

we drafted David Wilson and Jernigan under Coughlin. Also Beckham who is a finesse TE.

marry, fuck, kill thread, radar?

You sobering up?

Don't bother. Your posts still suck.

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marry, fuck, kill thread, radar? You sobering up? Don't bother. Your posts still suck.

Hahahahahaha

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marry, fuck, kill thread, radar? You sobering up? Don't bother. Your posts still suck.

Mods deleted it.

I'm sober. You? I noticed you got a little fired up because someone had the nerve to call a youtube video tape. Everything alright?

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In comment 12939788 B in ALB said: Quote: marry, fuck, kill thread, radar? You sobering up? Don't bother. Your posts still suck. Hahahahahaha

Sorry, I hit submit too quickly. I picture B saying this, then chugging his beer and can jamming radar's passed out head.

Nah. Just calling out complete horseshit tonight.

First the "tape" guy. Now your nonsense.

Btw, good thing the mods deleted your trash. You would have taken even more of a beating than you usually take.

Though, I'm not so sure about your mod deletion claim.

You use might be trying to hide a bit there, radar.

Fuckin hell. You're a horrible contributor here.

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Nah. Just calling out complete horseshit tonight. First the "tape" guy. Now your nonsense. Btw, good thing the mods deleted your trash. You would have taken even more of a beating than you usually take. Though, I'm not so sure about your mod deletion claim. You use might be trying to hide a bit there, radar. Fuckin hell. You're a horrible contributor here.

Not really sure why it was so awful. It was just asking people to forecast the success of the pics given that all are not likely to succeed.

But by all means continue to get disproportionately fired up about inconsequential things.

Not fired up. But more than willing to call out complete and utter bullshit.

Your thread and posts meet that criteria.

But carry on, radar. We just love your contributions here.

It's McAdoo,not Mutt and Jeff

run over 300 carries for a few years

the Giants drafted Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Andre Brown (a running back who could catch) and Travis Beckum ( a run and catch TE). Didn't all work out, but all at least had some moments, and Coughlin was the coach.

The draft signifies that team scouting feels that all the players picked have "potential" in some form or other. Whether that potential is ever realized goes hand in hand with the coaching those players receive post draft. I think the Giants did the right thing in turning over the coaching staff. There were too many drafted players that never seemed to improve. I like McAdoo and I think he has changed things around because things were getting stale under TC. Eli Apple impressed the hell out of me at the combine. I liked everything I saw from him & in my books he's going to be way better than Hargreaves.

you're seeing them pick prospects who were precision performers at their positions at big college programs, with high football IQ, football instincts, and strong work ethics.

Contrasted with upside gambles with consistent question marks such as Randle, Barden, Jernigan, etc.

In comment 12939036 Modus Operandi said:

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Which season Tom Coughlin adhered to a power running game? The answer is never. He's always believed in a vertical passing attack.

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Actually in 2007-08, they were more of that.
They were a top 5 one year, top 10 the other.
If you recall, both Jacobs and Ward rushed for more than
1,000 yards in 2008.

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In comment 12939807 B in ALB said: Quote: Nah. Just calling out complete horseshit tonight. First the "tape" guy. Now your nonsense. Basically you are saying, I'm an 'internet tough guy'. Stay classy 'bro. Btw, good thing the mods deleted your trash. You would have taken even more of a beating than you usually take. Though, I'm not so sure about your mod deletion claim. You use might be trying to hide a bit there, radar. Fuckin hell. You're a horrible contributor here. Not really sure why it was so awful. It was just asking people to forecast the success of the pics given that all are not likely to succeed. But by all means continue to get disproportionately fired up about inconsequential things.

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you're seeing them pick prospects who were precision performers at their positions at big college programs, with high football IQ, football instincts, and strong work ethics. Contrasted with upside gambles with consistent question marks such as Randle, Barden, Jernigan, etc.

Randle and Jernigan were considered highly productive and pro ready though. Two of the most mind-numbing busts in recent history. They were not risky picks. They were picks the draft books loved.

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In comment 12940714 JonC said: Quote: you're seeing them pick prospects who were precision performers at their positions at big college programs, with high football IQ, football instincts, and strong work ethics. Contrasted with upside gambles with consistent question marks such as Randle, Barden, Jernigan, etc. Randle and Jernigan were considered highly productive and pro ready though. Two of the most mind-numbing busts in recent history. They were not risky picks. They were picks the draft books loved.

Pro ready doesn't feel accurate to me but I don't remember for certain. What I saw at training camp was two very raw unpolished non-premium talents on the practice field. They also weren't IA program talents.

Reading too fast. Randle, yeah I recall reading pro ready but damn I didn't see it when he hit the field, especially not with live bullets flying.

let that cap slip outta the bag a couple of times if you've been listening.....

moving to a zone - again just like Mike McCarthy who McAdoo emulates in every conceivable way, right down to the practice and sideline attire

solari is another clue - he's coached a power scheme but he's a zone blocking specialist and it's what he believes in

If you watch Shepard it might make more sense what I'm driving at, he's surgical with his routes, footwork, fakes, the attention to detail and trying to beat the man in front of him. I'd wager he'll wind up a film junkie breaking down his opponents.

Never saw that from Randle or Jernigan, they couldn't routes the same way twice, or fight for passes in traffic, or consistently show up in games on a weekly basis.

Yes it might be over, and we all might end up really fucking sad that it has. Look, I am hopeful and optimistic about the upcoming season. Can we do that without shitting on TC? I mean the guy did win 2 Superbowls against what many people believe might be the greatest coach, QB and team of all time. I am not going out on limb when I say it is highly unlikely that McAdoo is going to be better than TC. How many Pro Football coaches have amassed a better resume during your lifetime.....Not many.

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If you watch Shepard it might make more sense what I'm driving at, he's surgical with his routes, footwork, fakes, the attention to detail and trying to beat the man in front of him. I'd wager he'll wind up a film junkie breaking down his opponents. Never saw that from Randle or Jernigan, they couldn't routes the same way twice, or fight for passes in traffic, or consistently show up in games on a weekly basis.

I hope for the best. He isn't a player I know anything about.