More than likely this year or next Giants will "crash-and-burn." Don't think Jerry has a clue. Here is how it should have broken out:
1--- OT -- Tunsil
2--- DE/T-- Jonathan Bullard
3--- CB Kendall Fuller
4-- WR Pharoah Cooper
5--- OLB Jatavis Brown
6--- FS Deandre Houston-Carson
Agreed. And he'll come cheap cause his entire wardrobe consists of underwear.
Of course if their picks turn out to be not quite as good they probably won't bring it up ;>)
Also, it doesn't count unless you made the picks in "real time" as the players came off the board. (I'm pretty sure Anakim did, but I'm not sure about the rest of you.)
Obviously it's a lot easier to make the picks after the fact when you see where all the players were actually picked.
No wonder once the draft is over we are like "Jesus, let the preseason get here ASAP!!!"
1 10 Eli Apple | CB, Ohio State
2 40 Sterling Shepard | WR, Oklahoma
3 71 Jonathan Bullard | DL, Florida
4 109 B.J. Goodson | ILB, Clemson
5 149 Paul Perkins | RB, UCLA
6 184 Jerell Adams | TE, South Carolina
There are a lot of names you could plug in at 71, although the best values in that round may have been DTs and developmental LOTs. Whether those picks (or Bullard) make sense depends on how much value you attach to Thompson as a potential upgrade over the current mess at FS.
I don't buy your premise that Fuller replaces Apple at a bargain price. Even the worst write-ups for Apple rated him a first round pick, albeit a raw one. Fuller's knee dropped him all the way to #84. There's no way to know when - or whether - he will come all the way back.
Overall, even with the benefit of hindsight, it's hard to improve much on what the Giants did. They weren't taking Tunsil, and they graded Apple higher than Hargreaves, so that takes care of round one. After that, it seems like a well-constructed draft class. And as for the other big need, there was never good value on the board at ROT.
I mentioned before the draft started I would have taken Bullard in Round 2. When he went in round 3, there wasn't any DE's available I would have taken. SO yeah I still thought they should have taken Bullard. The others above him in my view were gone. I also went with an OT in Round 1 and in Round 3 I went with a CB. And in round 4 a WR but Cooper was better than what I had. I'm very surprised he was there.
As far as your comment - Fuller vs Apple-- it's not Fuller vs Apple it's Tunsil vs Apple. IMO Tunsil will be better football player than Apple and he'll do the most important thing for the Giants and that is to protect our star QB the next several years.
And a further point on Bullard. JPP is gone next year. JPP is gone next year. What if OO is a bust? What type of a pass rush are we going to have? It's not like in year 1 you draft a rookie De and he'll magically be a good pas rusher. Possible -- but if you get Bullard you have TWO options that ONE (Bullard or OO) can be legit player.
2. Jason Spriggs | OT, Indiana. Jones and Newhouse, do I need to say anything more.
3. Devontae Booker | RB, Utah.
4. Andrew Billings | DT, Baylor. I do love Goodson with this pick but just not able to pass on Billings.
5. B.J. Goodson | ILB, Clemson. Just hope that he will still be here.
6. DeAndre Houston-Carson | FS, William & Mary. Know that this was a deep draft for safeties and felt like the Giants could have waited. Houston-Carson was the prize just waiting for the Giants.
Idiot, I didn't know he would've been taken a round earlier. Many didn't. In fact, most didn't.
Don't bother, they just sit around and ridicule everybody's opinion which differs from them as if the Giants drafted exactly who they wanted in each round.
You were great breaking down a lot of info over the past month.
allstarjim lays out the downside of the off-field doubts and questions, but by pick #10, Tunsil's agent was out with the facts that this was a two-year old video and that his client had tested clean in all of the administered drug tests. We're talking marijuana here, folks, weed, which it has been estimated 65% of the college student world tokes, at some time or other.
Contrast that with the putative Round 1OL last year whom no one would touch until Dallas signed him as an UDFA and (as I recall) stepped in as a starter mid-season. Wasn't that a homicide/murder probe? Someone was dead.
Or even our beloved Ahmad Bradshaw--we all loved this guy's heart and fire and talent--who dropped to pick #250 in the 7th for a stupid error in judgment for stealing a VCR, the season before the draft, not two years before. The argument there, a valid one for sure, is that he went 7th and Tunsil was in the conversation10th overall. Legit debate.
allstarjim, even after outlining the case against Tunsil, said he would have probably picked him anyway. This was a guy who was rated as anywhere from the first to the fourth most talented guy in the entire draft, at a position of need--and the Flowers-Tunsil position debate would have played out and the Giants would be the stronger for it, on offense.
The pillorying of Tunsil for this, especially in light of the circumstances in which it arose of a vindictive family member who wanted to destroy his stepson (if it was the stepfather who hacked the a/c), was hysterical and brutal, and an opportunity to take advantage. The Giants chose to turn a blind eye to assessing inconceivable opportunity and a level headed balancing of the circumstances vs. being swayed by the hysteria of the moment, imo. For a two-year old bong session?
Stop lying. I don't have other threads. Stop it. You don't like my picks fine. Before the draft I had said Stanley, Bullard, Hoawrd, Burbrdige, Schobert and Tavon Young. Everything played differently. I just believe we had chance to get two real good bigs in rounds 1 and 2 and it would have covered us the following year.
Stop lying. How many handles do you have?
I imagine Tunsil will go on to have a great career in the NFL....but he is never going to live down that video. I would have been embarrassed if the team I follow had drafted him at 10.
allstarjim lays out the downside of the off-field doubts and questions, but by pick #10, Tunsil's agent was out with the facts that this was a two-year old video and that his client had tested clean in all of the administered drug tests. We're talking marijuana here, folks, weed, which it has been estimated 65% of the college student world tokes, at some time or other.
Contrast that with the putative Round 1OL last year whom no one would touch until Dallas signed him as an UDFA and (as I recall) stepped in as a starter mid-season. Wasn't that a homicide/murder probe? Someone was dead.
Or even our beloved Ahmad Bradshaw--we all loved this guy's heart and fire and talent--who dropped to pick #250 in the 7th for a stupid error in judgment for stealing a VCR, the season before the draft, not two years before. The argument there, a valid one for sure, is that he went 7th and Tunsil was in the conversation10th overall. Legit debate.
allstarjim, even after outlining the case against Tunsil, said he would have probably picked him anyway. This was a guy who was rated as anywhere from the first to the fourth most talented guy in the entire draft, at a position of need--and the Flowers-Tunsil position debate would have played out and the Giants would be the stronger for it, on offense.
The pillorying of Tunsil for this, especially in light of the circumstances in which it arose of a vindictive family member who wanted to destroy his stepson (if it was the stepfather who hacked the a/c), was hysterical and brutal, and an opportunity to take advantage. The Giants chose to turn a blind eye to assessing inconceivable opportunity and a level headed balancing of the circumstances vs. being swayed by the hysteria of the moment, imo. For a two-year old bong session?
Thank you!!
I think what you'll find here is the ones more vicious on this thread didn't want an OT - so anyone that brings it up - they blast away.
But there are quite a few other people who said that video is most likely from the past 6 months. Either way, it goes to a continued string of poor decision making. Leaving a traceable trail when asking for $$, having video doing things you shouldn't, having a domestic situation.
You add it all up, and it isn't just about pot, which seems to be the easy answer everyone wants. Hell, there are still a lot of people here who have the moronic stance that Will Hill was let go because of pot.
The pillorying of Tunsil for this, especially in light of the circumstances in which it arose of a vindictive family member who wanted to destroy his stepson (if it was the stepfather who hacked the a/c), was hysterical and brutal, and an opportunity to take advantage. The Giants chose to turn a blind eye to assessing inconceivable opportunity and a level headed balancing of the circumstances vs. being swayed by the hysteria of the moment, imo. For a two-year old bong session?
Time will tell. I have to think research was done by teams and this was not the only red flag but who knows. It's not like he slipped too far as Miami took him.
Is this a hyperbole Warren Sapp situation or closer to the self destructive Manziel type? Time will tell.
And I love the idea that they didnt want to take a player who will be under investigation regarding payments from Ole Miss because Eli is from that school. That might have been the funniest/dumbest thing I have heard yet about this whole thing.
The Giants didnt take him because they never take anyone with any kind of perceived red flag. But they will stand by a guy who blows his hand off and then pay him 10 mill the next season. He won't play with fireworks again, but Tunsil is sure to be caught on video smoking a bong again.
The Giants have probably hurt themselves by not taking players with perceived red flags (that are not real bad character guys), than they have helped themselves by avoiding them. Bromley was a character guy wasnt he?
Bradshaw and Austin are two to come immediately to mind, as well as UDFA's like Will Hill.
But again - if you think Tunsil dropped just because of pot, you probably think Hill was cut just because of pot too. Can't really get through to that crowd for some strange reason.
And I love the idea that they didnt want to take a player who will be under investigation regarding payments from Ole Miss because Eli is from that school. That might have been the funniest/dumbest thing I have heard yet about this whole thing.
The Giants didnt take him because they never take anyone with any kind of perceived red flag. But they will stand by a guy who blows his hand off and then pay him 10 mill the next season. He won't play with fireworks again, but Tunsil is sure to be caught on video smoking a bong again.
The Giants have probably hurt themselves by not taking players with perceived red flags (that are not real bad character guys), than they have helped themselves by avoiding them. Bromley was a character guy wasnt he?
Glover -- you probably beat the Giants up over the Marvin Austin Pick -- didn't you?
And I love the idea that they didnt want to take a player who will be under investigation regarding payments from Ole Miss because Eli is from that school. That might have been the funniest/dumbest thing I have heard yet about this whole thing.
The Giants didnt take him because they never take anyone with any kind of perceived red flag. But they will stand by a guy who blows his hand off and then pay him 10 mill the next season. He won't play with fireworks again, but Tunsil is sure to be caught on video smoking a bong again.
The Giants have probably hurt themselves by not taking players with perceived red flags (that are not real bad character guys), than they have helped themselves by avoiding them. Bromley was a character guy wasnt he?
1. Bromley was not an investment of a first round pick. He was a 3rd rounder.
2. JPP is a proven talent who made the team better with one hand last season. The Giants have the money to spend...so they did.
3. Apple should be a good player for this team.
If Apple busts and Tunsil goes on to a great career then you can come back and crow. Apple was a good safe pick with a high upside in a position of need. Tunsil was a risky pick with a high upside in a position of need. Tunsil's wounds are self inflicted by his own lack of judgement.
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this is that Reese bashing troll that has had several handles including Gutless Puke. How many times do you have to get banned before you give up?
Stop lying. I don't have other threads. Stop it. You don't like my picks fine. Before the draft I had said Stanley, Bullard, Hoawrd, Burbrdige, Schobert and Tavon Young. Everything played differently. I just believe we had chance to get two real good bigs in rounds 1 and 2 and it would have covered us the following year.
Stop lying. How many handles do you have?
How about you stop lying? You registered an March and have posted in 2 threads.
Troll on Gutless Puke!
You're
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Tunsil's agent was out with the facts that this was a two-year old video and that his client had tested clean in all of the administered drug tests.
But there are quite a few other people who said that video is most likely from the past 6 months. Either way, it goes to a continued string of poor decision making. Leaving a traceable trail when asking for $$, having video doing things you shouldn't, having a domestic situation.
You add it all up, and it isn't just about pot, which seems to be the easy answer everyone wants. Hell, there are still a lot of people here who have the moronic stance that Will Hill was let go because of pot.
Correct. For the people who say "it's only marijuana", what about talking about illegal cash payments on the night of the draft? And he's going to pick up a complicated NFL offense right away?
To say this is about pot really ignores everything else at play.
His injury history on the other hand..........
The Giants didnt take him because they never take anyone with any kind of perceived red flag
Bradshaw and Austin are two to come immediately to mind, as well as UDFA's like Will Hill.
But again - if you think Tunsil dropped just because of pot, you probably think Hill was cut just because of pot too. Can't really get through to that crowd for some strange reason.
FMiC,
I hated the Austin pick from the get-go, so perhaps that makes my stance on Tunsil inconsistent as well as indefensible. Arguably, I think we can agree, that the value proposition was not as strong for the former as it was for the latter, but putting that aside:
As I recall Austin was barred for his senior year by a school not really know for its ethical approach to athletes and eligibility (the facts blur in my memory, but I think it's close to true).
With Tunsil: I blush at a good number of clearly stupid decisions and actions of mine in my late teens and early 20s, some made a number of years older than Tunsil's errors.
I'm inclined to agree with you that this is more than about pot, but I'm not sure that it's more than about being young, immature, thinking one is immortal and beyond being held responsible for thoughtless or even calculated actions. He evidently thought he was beyond reproach even as he made, what his camp would hope, what he now realizes were poor decisions.
Nothing is so sobering in life, at any point, as to be exposed, whether to family, work colleagues, or in excruciatingly public manner onstage at the NFL Draft, as having been arrogant and irresponsible.
But these will be unknowables for a year or two.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
Like, do you know the team you root for or not?
With Tunsil: I blush at a good number of clearly stupid decisions and actions of mine in my late teens and early 20s, some made a number of years older than Tunsil's errors.
If someone had paid you under the table would you have brought it up voluntarily on the night of the draft?
I don't get why Jack made the confession. He would have be smarter to keep it as a rumor. Some teams admitted they weren't sure until he gave his own medicals to the world.
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You guys are going to LOVE Shepard...honestly he is the one pick I wouldn't even negotiate giving up. You want to say tunsil or vh3 over apple fine but no way to either of your picks over shep. He fills an immediate need and will be our biggest Contributor of all rookies
I love the Shepard pick. It's an A pick. What would've made it an A+ pick, IMO, is if we took A'Shawn Robinson or Michael Thomas.
- I guess my question is why, with this many known flags, some of which you raise I had not known about, Tunsil remained like a rock at the top of the pundits' ratings (only relatively late dropping below the QBs). But that's beside the point: I acknowledge why the Giants passed, and it's as defensible as was their pick of Apple after Floyd and Conklin were gone, but I'm not sure it's a slam dunk either way.
I guess the real question is whether what seem to be a series of poor judgments by LT, albeit each of "arguably" minor gravity, should be aggregated into criminalizing his actions.
- njm, dumb, lack of smarts and judgment, clearly, and that is now known about him, but does it fundamentally alter the profile of a guy who needed a well deserved smack upside the head to say, "grow up, already"?
- Jon, that was actually what weighed most with me in the Giants' decision: but would there not in your judgment be some merit to consider moving EF to the right side, where not a few here believe is his best position? Quite obviously, Flowers is a football player with a lot of pride i his work, his results, otherwise he would not have insisted on playing at reduced effectiveness through the high ankle sprain. But if he were to excel on the right side, would leaving LT be such a negative if the Giants thought Tunsil was a more natural LT?
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You guys are going to LOVE Shepard...honestly he is the one pick I wouldn't even negotiate giving up. You want to say tunsil or vh3 over apple fine but no way to either of your picks over shep. He fills an immediate need and will be our biggest Contributor of all rookies
I love the Shepard pick. It's an A pick. What would've made it an A+ pick, IMO, is if we took A'Shawn Robinson or Michael Thomas.
Going with the Giants' team of evaluators over you. No offense?
HOW DARE YOU!
Round 3—Don’t know why you bring up his brother. Anyhow CB is a need and Fuller is among the fastest corners in the draft if healthy. He is supposed to be ready and imo too talented to pass up if he is healthy. He went in the 3rd round anyways. SO if he is ready he would have been real good value in 3rd round.
Round 4—I don’t understand why you are so concerned with Cooper’s height but not Shepard’s. Cooper is slightly taller and runs almost just as fast. The Giants could have gotten strong 4th round value here.
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Bullard - I think he's a 3-4 end, and I don't think he's a special talent, I could be wrong.
Fuller - I think he's overrated, again, I could be wrong. But he does have the medical flag and the Giants got a clean player in the 3rd with respects to medical and character.
Cooper - the thing is, Cooper ran a 4.63 at his Pro Day, you typically add about .05 to get his true combine speed, so that's the 4.7 range. Even if you stick with the 4.63 number apples to apples to Shepard, it's a significant difference. He also has smaller hands at only 9 1/8th", Shepard's is 9 3/4". He's not a leaper, his vert was only 31 inches. At the combine, that was close to last. Shepard's was 41 inches... that's an enormous difference, Shepard had the biggest leap at the combine. Cooper is a gamer, but so is Shepard, and Shepard gets a lot more separation. Across the board Shepard is better, by a wide margin. Cooper is a limited athlete who is slot only with no real deep speed, and he's going to struggle to separate. You bet on him because of his mentality and toughness, but not at the expense of getting a better, cleaner player like we did with Goodson.
Given that, and it seems the front office is locked into the same track, I just don't think they were really looking at LTs, especially after the gas mask chaos.
Let's see where we are in a year or two.
Add it all up and it suggests they're ok continuing on the value route to finding a RT upgrade with EF entrenched at LT, imv.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
It doesn't make one iota difference if it is criminal or not criminal. This was a good opportunity to get him. Who is going to be the better player, Apple or Tunsil? I say Tunsil. Who can help us protect our star QB better- a good defense because of Apple's play or a better Oline because of Tunsil's play? Tunsil.
Anyhow the draft isn't about one player.
Next year where will we be if JPP leaves which by all accounts he will? Right now how confident are you in OO? What happens next year a the D-Line?
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I'm not saying one way or another how bad Tunsil's flags are. I'm defending against the criticism that not taking him is a colossal error.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
It doesn't make one iota difference if it is criminal or not criminal. This was a good opportunity to get him. Who is going to be the better player, Apple or Tunsil? I say Tunsil. Who can help us protect our star QB better- a good defense because of Apple's play or a better Oline because of Tunsil's play? Tunsil.
Anyhow the draft isn't about one player.
Next year where will we be if JPP leaves which by all accounts he will? Right now how confident are you in OO? What happens next year a the D-Line?
By all accounts JPP will leave next year? Based on what...your imagination?
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I'm not saying one way or another how bad Tunsil's flags are. I'm defending against the criticism that not taking him is a colossal error.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
It doesn't make one iota difference if it is criminal or not criminal. This was a good opportunity to get him. Who is going to be the better player, Apple or Tunsil? I say Tunsil. Who can help us protect our star QB better- a good defense because of Apple's play or a better Oline because of Tunsil's play? Tunsil.
Anyhow the draft isn't about one player.
Next year where will we be if JPP leaves which by all accounts he will? Right now how confident are you in OO? What happens next year a the D-Line?
By all accounts JPP will leave next year? Based on what...your imagination?
Common sense.
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I'm not saying one way or another how bad Tunsil's flags are. I'm defending against the criticism that not taking him is a colossal error.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
It doesn't make one iota difference if it is criminal or not criminal. This was a good opportunity to get him. Who is going to be the better player, Apple or Tunsil? I say Tunsil. Who can help us protect our star QB better- a good defense because of Apple's play or a better Oline because of Tunsil's play? Tunsil.
Anyhow the draft isn't about one player.
Next year where will we be if JPP leaves which by all accounts he will? Right now how confident are you in OO? What happens next year a the D-Line?
By all accounts JPP will leave next year? Based on what...your imagination?
Common sense.
Great non answer
Basically you are talking out of your ass again
There are no signs either way
You have no idea what will happen nor does anyone else
Tunsil?
C'mon man.
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I'm not saying one way or another how bad Tunsil's flags are. I'm defending against the criticism that not taking him is a colossal error.
You had a first this year. Literally, there is breaking news about a prospect who already had character concerns come out minutes before the draft. I can't blame teams who thought it was bizarre and didn't have the time to dig deeper. Like I said, if this is just about the stupid actions of a kid and somebody knows 100% that's what it is, he probably gets picked by Baltimore. But you take what happened on draft day with the rumors he was going to fall based on character even prior to the video. add in the fact he's tied to a teammate on a night of questionable actions, his domestic dispute with his step dad, his injury history, the illegal benefits situation, plus the leaked text messages of trying to extort more money for a $300+ electric bill and you have a long list of things to check out.
If anything, I'm more pissed that his stupidity got the Ravens to pass on him, which means we probably lost out on Conklin.
I can't believe the number of posters who are acting like passing on Tunsil is criminal. It is defended very easily.
It doesn't make one iota difference if it is criminal or not criminal. This was a good opportunity to get him. Who is going to be the better player, Apple or Tunsil? I say Tunsil. Who can help us protect our star QB better- a good defense because of Apple's play or a better Oline because of Tunsil's play? Tunsil.
Anyhow the draft isn't about one player.
Next year where will we be if JPP leaves which by all accounts he will? Right now how confident are you in OO? What happens next year a the D-Line?
By all accounts JPP will leave next year? Based on what...your imagination?
Common sense.
Great non answer
Basically you are talking out of your ass again
There are no signs either way
You have no idea what will happen nor does anyone else
Well, not sure that they can put a franchise tag on JPP next offseason... I'm a big believer that he will perform well. If he does, he will be looking for a big contract, one the Giants are likely not going to be inclined to give him, since they are already paying Vernon the richest deal in history for a DE, and will have OBJ's new contract looming. There is only so much you can do under the cap... unless JPP doesn't perform well this season, or is injured much of the year, it could lower his value, but I seriously think even in that case, another team will throw dollars at him that the Giants would not, to take a chance on his talent. Hopefully Owa has a great year, and I hope the Giants hit big on OL and DL in the 2017 draft!
Bullard in Round 2 is a meh pick. Boom or bust type. Sheppard is going to have the better career.
As far as Fuller goes they couldn't wait until Round 3 to draft a quality CB. Anyone can look back at the draft and say 'see we could have gotten 'X'. That's not how it works in real time.