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ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 9:14 am
Colon trying to pass Pedro Martinez for wins for a Dominican pitcher.

Syndergaard seeking advice to limit runners running wild.
At least someone is playing good baseball in NY.  
superspynyg : 5/2/2016 9:18 am : link
Go get em Mets. The Yanks certainly won't/can't.
Yesterday put a bad taste  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 9:22 am : link
in my mouth (for many reasons). Its a new week and a new series. Braves have been terrible but they likely aren't THAT bad, are they? Positives. Harvey and deGrom both had big velocity gains the last time through the order. Negatives. Thor looked very human yesterday. Lets get back on track tonight.
RE: Yesterday put a bad taste  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 12940227 ZGiants98 said:
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in my mouth (for many reasons). Its a new week and a new series. Braves have been terrible but they likely aren't THAT bad, are they? Positives. Harvey and deGrom both had big velocity gains the last time through the order. Negatives. Thor looked very human yesterday. Lets get back on track tonight.

Yes the Braves are that bad especially with Fredi at the helm and Inciarte being out. They are slowly bringing up their prospects as Mallex Smith has been heating up and Aaron Blair has looked very good so far. Their offense is atrocious even with Freeman heating up.
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sshin05 : 5/2/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 12940264 Jay on the Island said:
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in my mouth (for many reasons). Its a new week and a new series. Braves have been terrible but they likely aren't THAT bad, are they? Positives. Harvey and deGrom both had big velocity gains the last time through the order. Negatives. Thor looked very human yesterday. Lets get back on track tonight.


Yes the Braves are that bad especially with Fredi at the helm and Inciarte being out. They are slowly bringing up their prospects as Mallex Smith has been heating up and Aaron Blair has looked very good so far. Their offense is atrocious even with Freeman heating up.


The braves had a pretty tough schedule in the early going so that didnt help. But if this bad play continues, better it be with young guys rather than veteran retreads.
fangraphs  
sshin05 : 5/2/2016 9:53 am : link
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Going to my first game of 2015  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 5/2/2016 10:06 am : link
on Wednesday. Assuming the weather doesn't mess up the rotation, that should be a Matz start. Not too bad.
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Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:12 am : link
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in my mouth (for many reasons). Its a new week and a new series. Braves have been terrible but they likely aren't THAT bad, are they? Positives. Harvey and deGrom both had big velocity gains the last time through the order. Negatives. Thor looked very human yesterday. Lets get back on track tonight.


Yes the Braves are that bad especially with Fredi at the helm and Inciarte being out. They are slowly bringing up their prospects as Mallex Smith has been heating up and Aaron Blair has looked very good so far. Their offense is atrocious even with Freeman heating up.



The braves had a pretty tough schedule in the early going so that didnt help. But if this bad play continues, better it be with young guys rather than veteran retreads.

The problem is that the Braves don't want to lose a year of control on any of their prospects right now on a terrible season. They have several prospects who belong in the majors today but are getting held behind. Top SS prospects Ozzie Albies was just promoted to AAA and Dansby Swanson was promoted to AA. Albies was leading the league in hits and was batting .369/.430/.519 despite being the youngest player in the league by over a year.
Swanson was hitting .346/.454/.580 in High A and went 2-3 with a 2B and HR in his AA debut.
Just as I say that  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:16 am : link
the Braves have called up hard throwing prospect Muke Foltynewicz to start today against the Mets and have finally replaced this years failed reclamation project Bud Norris.
At  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:17 am : link
least the Braves are awful with a big time farm (and reportedly Maitan being added as well). Imagine being a team like the Brewers?
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ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 12940405 DanMetroMan said:
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least the Braves are awful with a big time farm (and reportedly Maitan being added as well). Imagine being a team like the Brewers?


Or the Angels. lol
RE: At  
dep026 : 5/2/2016 10:19 am : link
In comment 12940405 DanMetroMan said:
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least the Braves are awful with a big time farm (and reportedly Maitan being added as well). Imagine being a team like the Brewers?


Could be worse than that. Imagine being the Angels with Trout and a whole of nothing to look forward too? Angels may have to trade Trout before its all said and done.
RE: Going to my first game of 2015  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/2/2016 10:21 am : link
In comment 12940357 NewFakeDannyHeep said:
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on Wednesday. Assuming the weather doesn't mess up the rotation, that should be a Matz start. Not too bad.

Check your flux capacitor and make sure you bring extra plutonium.
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:22 am : link
the Angels too. I just find it funny seeing people knock the Braves (mostly on twitter). I actually love their approach. Don't really understand why they signed Markakis if this was the plan but otherwise they are 100% doing what I would do if running a team. Is it really more appealing to win 76 games vs. 66 games? Who cares at that point? Find some gems, trade off veterans at the deadline and load up the farm. Mike Soroka seems money.
RE: At  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:22 am : link
In comment 12940405 DanMetroMan said:
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least the Braves are awful with a big time farm (and reportedly Maitan being added as well). Imagine being a team like the Brewers?

I am enjoying reading the Braves daily minor league reports because almost all of their top pitching prospects are looking great. There is rumor that the Braves also have a 3 million dollar deal agreed to with the top IFA catcher Abraham Gutierrez as well as Maitan. The best news so far for Braves fans is the incredible turnaround of Lucas Sims. He has been pitching great especially since he was promoted to AAA and he is their #1 pitching prospect right now IMO until of course Allard gets healthy and starts pitching.
RE: Sure  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:25 am : link
In comment 12940419 DanMetroMan said:
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the Angels too. I just find it funny seeing people knock the Braves (mostly on twitter). I actually love their approach. Don't really understand why they signed Markakis if this was the plan but otherwise they are 100% doing what I would do if running a team. Is it really more appealing to win 76 games vs. 66 games? Who cares at that point? Find some gems, trade off veterans at the deadline and load up the farm. Mike Soroka seems money.

Nobody knows why they traded for Olivera either but at least they could trade Markakis at the deadline for more prospects. The O's reportedly made an offer for him before the season started but the Braves reportedly told them "not yet." Soroka and Sims have been the best so far. Ellis surprisingly has been great as well and has much better control. Everyone forgets about Max Fried also.
RE: RE: Going to my first game of 2015  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 5/2/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 12940417 Jim in Fairfax said:
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on Wednesday. Assuming the weather doesn't mess up the rotation, that should be a Matz start. Not too bad.


Check your flux capacitor and make sure you bring extra plutonium.


I should probably warn everyone about Donald Trump while I'm there then.
The Angels are in a bad spot  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:26 am : link
why they traded their only two good prospects for Simmons is beyond me. How can you sell trading Trout to your fanbase?
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DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 12940432 Jay on the Island said:
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the Angels too. I just find it funny seeing people knock the Braves (mostly on twitter). I actually love their approach. Don't really understand why they signed Markakis if this was the plan but otherwise they are 100% doing what I would do if running a team. Is it really more appealing to win 76 games vs. 66 games? Who cares at that point? Find some gems, trade off veterans at the deadline and load up the farm. Mike Soroka seems money.


Nobody knows why they traded for Olivera either but at least they could trade Markakis at the deadline for more prospects. The O's reportedly made an offer for him before the season started but the Braves reportedly told them "not yet." Soroka and Sims have been the best so far. Ellis surprisingly has been great as well and has much better control. Everyone forgets about Max Fried also.


Yeah the Olivera one doesn't make a ton of sense either. Their scouts obviously really liked him (they were the runner ups signing him) and in general scouts seemed high on him. Most expected him to get roughly the money they did. I guess they felt if he was a league average regular for that price it would have been a "bargain".
Somehow  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:29 am : link
I'm able to disconnect myself from the fact certain prospects play for the Mets "enemies" so I find it cool reading about prospect X doing really well for a team even if it's the Braves or Phillies. I obviously won't feel that way when they are called up.
it appears Mr. Fulmer  
Rory : 5/2/2016 10:43 am : link
had a decent showing over the weekend in Det. Be interesting to watch his play over the course of the season.
RE: it appears Mr. Fulmer  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:45 am : link
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had a decent showing over the weekend in Det. Be interesting to watch his play over the course of the season.


Stuff looked fantastic. Touched 96 at times.
RE: Somehow  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 12940449 DanMetroMan said:
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I'm able to disconnect myself from the fact certain prospects play for the Mets "enemies" so I find it cool reading about prospect X doing really well for a team even if it's the Braves or Phillies. I obviously won't feel that way when they are called up.

That's funny I find myself rooting for Mets prospects Rosario which I have no idea why. I guess I like the thought of every team in the division with a young star shortstop.
Rosario  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:48 am : link
is pretty cool in that he has a big personality and is truly bilingual. The Mets haven't really had a bilingual star in a few years. Yeah they have guys who can speak English but none of the current Latin players are going to give an extended interview in fluent English.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/2/2016 10:49 am : link
should say Wilmer speaks excellent english but he's far from a "star" in a marketable way.
RE: RE: Somehow  
dep026 : 5/2/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 12940519 Jay on the Island said:
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I'm able to disconnect myself from the fact certain prospects play for the Mets "enemies" so I find it cool reading about prospect X doing really well for a team even if it's the Braves or Phillies. I obviously won't feel that way when they are called up.


That's funny I find myself rooting for Mets prospects Rosario which I have no idea why. I guess I like the thought of every team in the division with a young star shortstop.


And the Phillies have THE young superstar shortstop in the waitings.

#hollabackJP
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Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 11:05 am : link
In comment 12940555 dep026 said:
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I'm able to disconnect myself from the fact certain prospects play for the Mets "enemies" so I find it cool reading about prospect X doing really well for a team even if it's the Braves or Phillies. I obviously won't feel that way when they are called up.


That's funny I find myself rooting for Mets prospects Rosario which I have no idea why. I guess I like the thought of every team in the division with a young star shortstop.



And the Phillies have THE young superstar shortstop in the waitings.

#hollabackJP

That's cute the Braves have two with Kevin Maitan soon to make it three. P.S. I am just messing with you
Bah!  
dep026 : 5/2/2016 11:11 am : link
Who names their kids Ozzie and Darby.
RE: Bah!  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2016 11:13 am : link
In comment 12940601 dep026 said:
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Who names their kids Ozzie and Darby.

I don't know who names their kid Darby but I know of a Dansby.
RE: RE: Bah!  
dep026 : 5/2/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 12940604 Jay on the Island said:
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Who names their kids Ozzie and Darby.


I don't know who names their kid Darby but I know of a Dansby.


Darby/Dansby - does it really matter? haha
Nice little April recap  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 11:40 am : link
With leaders for the month.
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ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 4:53 pm : link
Mets

Curtis Granderson, RF

David Wright, 3B

Michael Conforto, LF

Yoenis Cespedes, CF

Lucas Duda, 1B

Neil Walker, 2B

Asdrubal Cabrera, SS

Kevin Plawecki, C

Bartolo Colon, RHP

Braves

Nick Markakis, RF

Daniel Castro, 3B

Freddie Freeman, 1B

Adonis Garcia, LF

AJ Pierzynski, C

Reid Brignac, 2B

Erick Aybar, SS

Mike Foltyniewicz, RHP

Mallex Smith, CF
Nice.  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:18 pm : link
Colon hitting 93 mph there. lol
Becerra  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 7:20 pm : link
up to .381
DW!!!  
Stufftherun : 5/2/2016 7:24 pm : link
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Whoo  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:24 pm : link
HR Wright on a 93 MPH fastball! Must have started swinging early!
Conforto right back to hitting  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:26 pm : link
after the o-fer. This kid appears to have some good stuff too.
Boom.  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:28 pm : link
Train is moving. Cespedes HR!!!
Conforto then Ces  
Stufftherun : 5/2/2016 7:28 pm : link
tearing the cover off the ball!
Welcome to  
JayBinQueens : 5/2/2016 7:28 pm : link
the big league kid.

At the end of the season, Conforto will be the main reason people will have no qualms letting a bat like Ces go
This will happen to any pitcher who can't get a breaking ball over  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2016 7:29 pm : link
can't groove low 90's fastballs against major league lineups, and certainly can't do it against this one right now.
DUDA!!!!  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:30 pm : link
THIS LINEUP!!! HOLY SHIT!!
holy shit  
JayBinQueens : 5/2/2016 7:30 pm : link
this is insane
And the hit parade continues ...  
Stufftherun : 5/2/2016 7:30 pm : link
DuDA!!!
Cespeds HR was on a  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:31 pm : link
97 mph pitch.
Sorry kid  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:31 pm : link
Get em next time.
Almost feel bad for this kid  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2016 7:32 pm : link
he's throwing batting practice fastballs to the hottest lineup in baseball. I don't think he's thrown a single offspeed pitch under 90 for a strike.
He threw an 80 mph curve to Granderson  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:33 pm : link
A 76 mph Curveball to Conforto. A 86 mph change to Conforto.
Apologies you said strike  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:34 pm : link
You might be right.
Sweet.  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:35 pm : link
Love clearing the pitcher in the first inning.
LOL.  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:36 pm : link
If Colon ripped that down the line I would have died. haha
if you don't see these guys sitting dead red I don't know what to tell  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2016 7:36 pm : link
Cabrera didn't even look at that curveball (which was his first strike with a BB) and then smoked the fastball. I mean, like I said feel bad for this kid he threw 40 pitches and Colon was even getting around on him.
RE: if you don't see these guys sitting dead red I don't know what to tell  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12942026 Eric on Li said:
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Cabrera didn't even look at that curveball (which was his first strike with a BB) and then smoked the fastball. I mean, like I said feel bad for this kid he threw 40 pitches and Colon was even getting around on him.


I do. Granderson struggled. I think once Wright hit that HR the kid got rattled and likewise our lineup saw blood in the water.
Outside of going up against one of the best  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:39 pm : link
in the business yesterday in Bumgarner, we've been killing teams like this for weeks though. We did just score 12 runs in an inning a few days ago. I think the lineup is still relatively hot.
Wow!  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:40 pm : link
Just heard that the Braves only have 5 HR all year. That seems impossible.
Come on Colon  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:42 pm : link
Don't let them chip away.
I fully expect Duda and Cespedes to clear 30 HR (Outside chance Confo)  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:46 pm : link
I now also expect at least 20 HR from Granderson, Walker, and Conforto. Cabrera and Wright will hit 15. Who knows with TDA but if he's healthy we all know he can hit 20.

Crazy.
Wow  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 7:58 pm : link
Colon going to sliders there against Freeman. lol
Somewhere Arc is laughing  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 8:04 pm : link
Another air born flying catch against us. lol
Grandy double!  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 8:22 pm : link
Lets get a few more.
Just because  
Metnut : 5/2/2016 9:35 pm : link
I like to complain... why bring in Familia here?
Very annoying Familia came in here  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 9:38 pm : link
in a meaningless game. Colon was cruising. jesus. He has a rubber arm. He couldn't go one more?
Oh well  
ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 9:44 pm : link
No shutout but easy win. Nice job by Tolo. Next!
Colon threw 99 pitches. He'll be 43 later this month  
Ira : 5/2/2016 9:46 pm : link
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ZGiants98 : 5/2/2016 9:47 pm : link
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Rubber arm. 99 pitches is nothing. He could have gone 115.
RE: Colon threw 99 pitches. He'll be 43 later this month  
madgiantscow009 : 5/2/2016 11:53 pm : link
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he also got hit for PEDs in his career.
I think Wright has  
allstarjim : 5/2/2016 11:58 pm : link
his swing back... good to see!
Even if he didn't  
Metnut : 5/3/2016 9:20 am : link
want to leave Colon in, why use Familia with a 4-run lead? Unless he's had like 4 or so days off without any work, I'd rather not use Familia unless it's a close game.

Either way, nice first inning and solid outing against Colon. Would've liked to do more against the Braves after the first, but 9 out of 10 wins is hard to do. Nats are still on fire (and beating good teams now to boot) but Mets are hanging with em.

Bart  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2016 9:24 am : link
was great last night but I do find it funny he's mentioned as a "workhorse" and "innings eater" when he really isn't that. People make it sound like he's Livan Hernandez slogging through 220-230 innings per year. 100% a critique, just a weird label that has been placed on Colon. Maybe because he doesn't throw hard and is fat?
Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2016 9:26 am : link
100% NOT a critique
RE: Bart  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 12942504 DanMetroMan said:
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was great last night but I do find it funny he's mentioned as a "workhorse" and "innings eater" when he really isn't that. People make it sound like he's Livan Hernandez slogging through 220-230 innings per year. 100% a critique, just a weird label that has been placed on Colon. Maybe because he doesn't throw hard and is fat?


I think it's more because he's 43 and healthy enough for 200 mostly quality (especially for a #5 starter) innings.

I wonder how he compares with most #5 starters around the league.

and probably partly because he's fat and funny to watch.

PJ  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2016 9:43 am : link
like I said, I wasn't knocking Colon but back when Livan Hernandez was the gold standard for "slop" throwing innings eaters who were effective he would throw 220-230 innings. Colon has thrown 190 or more innings 3 times since 2005. I love Bart, I just find the label to be funny. 0% a knock on him.
Not Mets related  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2016 9:46 am : link
but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

what an awful contract. very lucky for Travis Shaw to come out of nowhere. I hate the Red Sox.
RE: Not Mets related  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2016 9:50 am : link
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but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

what an awful contract. very lucky for Travis Shaw to come out of nowhere. I hate the Red Sox.


Money to burn and they spend it on Sandoval and no longer a SS and declining Hanley. Lucky for them their farm is/has produced some big time talent and they have unlimited money. No great teams in that division either.
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pjcas18 : 5/3/2016 9:53 am : link
In comment 12942559 DanMetroMan said:
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but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

what an awful contract. very lucky for Travis Shaw to come out of nowhere. I hate the Red Sox.



Money to burn and they spend it on Sandoval and no longer a SS and declining Hanley. Lucky for them their farm is/has produced some big time talent and they have unlimited money. No great teams in that division either.


And Price is off to a rocky start, but lucky for them it hasn't hurt, their offense is legit.
RE: Not Mets related  
Shecky : 5/3/2016 10:16 am : link
In comment 12942547 pjcas18 said:
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but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

what an awful contract. very lucky for Travis Shaw to come out of nowhere. I hate the Red Sox.


Wonder if his contract is insured?
RE: Rosario  
Shecky : 5/3/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 12940528 DanMetroMan said:
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is pretty cool in that he has a big personality and is truly bilingual. The Mets haven't really had a bilingual star in a few years. Yeah they have guys who can speak English but none of the current Latin players are going to give an extended interview in fluent English.


If he ever reaches his physical potential, kid will be the biggest star NY has seen in a while, personality wise.
RE: RE: Not Mets related  
Metnut : 5/3/2016 10:20 am : link
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but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

Wonder if his contract is insured?


It's not.
He isnt a workhorse  
Deej : 5/3/2016 10:22 am : link
but he's an innings eater in the sense that while you dont expect him to win you ball games, you pay him to just eat up innings through the 5th, 6th, or 7th with competent, bullpen-saving pitching. As opposed to a more talented kid who you might need to bail out whenever he gets in trouble, burning 5 RP arms in the process. A better term might be "Reliable JAG" with leadership skills.
RE: Not Mets related  
Deej : 5/3/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 12942547 pjcas18 said:
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but Pablo Sandoval done for the year.

what an awful contract. very lucky for Travis Shaw to come out of nowhere. I hate the Red Sox.


Future Dodger Pablo Sandoval
RE: He isnt a workhorse  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2016 10:24 am : link
In comment 12942636 Deej said:
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but he's an innings eater in the sense that while you dont expect him to win you ball games, you pay him to just eat up innings through the 5th, 6th, or 7th with competent, bullpen-saving pitching. As opposed to a more talented kid who you might need to bail out whenever he gets in trouble, burning 5 RP arms in the process. A better term might be "Reliable JAG" with leadership skills.


Your description seems more apt than "innings eater".
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