OL: No draft picks and no signed UDFA's?

In comment 12940380 Chris684 said:

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And I am high on Bobby Hart. Flowers-Pugh-WR-Hart-Davis I get the feeling this staff really does like Jerry so if they go with him over Hart for another year so be it, but we need to upgrade RT. I guess it's also possible to acquire a LG and move Pugh back to RT but I don't think they want to do that.

Why are you high on Hart?

Is it the lack of strength?

Is it the complete lack of athleticism and plodding feet?

on guys like Brewer, Petrus, Mosley, Herman....even guys like Beatty. Their 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th oline draft picks have been atrocious. Hopefully Hart (7th round) can turn that around

And see what they want for LT Joe Thomas. Still a dominant player at 31 years old. His contract is very cap friendly with cap hits of $9.5 mil (2106), $10 mil (2017) and $10 mil (2018). There is no dead money in 2017 or 2018.

Thomas, Pugh, Richburg, Hart, Flowers

I think Rolle could be a positive factor in Slausen coming here, given his relationship with the Giants. That's assuming Slausen wants to play here of course

if you think back....its really amazing the stark difference with him pre and post contract. Injury or no injury...after he signed the big contract, he was a complete disaster. Before that, he was a good player.

In comment 12940380 Chris684 said:

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And I am high on Bobby Hart. Flowers-Pugh-WR-Hart-Davis I get the feeling this staff really does like Jerry so if they go with him over Hart for another year so be it, but we need to upgrade RT. I guess it's also possible to acquire a LG and move Pugh back to RT but I don't think they want to do that.

I would NEVER trade for Davis. A guy who QUIT and is coming off an injury and a year of inactivity is not worth a single fucking draft pick. If the 49ers CUT him and the Giants want to sign him to an incentive laden deal, that's fine.

They did "OK" with this line last year.
They have a lot of young developmental linemen on the roster and may not want more
They probably have some veterans in mind. Still have 20 million in cap room.
All of their picks were a good value/beed at the time they were picked.

In comment 12940399 Big Blue '56 said:

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I think Rolle could be a positive factor in Slausen coming here, given his relationship with the Giants. That's assuming Slausen wants to play here of course

Just speculating here but wouldn't that tip off Slausen and the Bears there is a potential suitor and there would be some trade talk discussions taken prior to his release? I think Slausen is a arbitrary cut with no connection.

If the Giants plan was to address the OL post draft , I would assume it pertains to a trade we not yet know about.

Perhaps involving one of the 5 RB's? Or even Nassib? Could explain the Perkins selection. Again just speculating

In comment 12940393 emobj999 said:

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In comment 12940380 Chris684 said: Quote: And I am high on Bobby Hart. Flowers-Pugh-WR-Hart-Davis I get the feeling this staff really does like Jerry so if they go with him over Hart for another year so be it, but we need to upgrade RT. I guess it's also possible to acquire a LG and move Pugh back to RT but I don't think they want to do that. Why are you high on Hart? Is it the lack of strength? Is it the complete lack of athleticism and plodding feet?

You lost all credibility when you said Hart lacked strength. That is his best quality. Whats not to like in a promising 21 year old OL who started at a major college program?

Anthony Davis.

In comment 12940458 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 12940393 emobj999 said: Quote: In comment 12940380 Chris684 said: Quote: And I am high on Bobby Hart. Flowers-Pugh-WR-Hart-Davis I get the feeling this staff really does like Jerry so if they go with him over Hart for another year so be it, but we need to upgrade RT. I guess it's also possible to acquire a LG and move Pugh back to RT but I don't think they want to do that. Why are you high on Hart? Is it the lack of strength? Is it the complete lack of athleticism and plodding feet? You lost all credibility when you said Hart lacked strength. That is his best quality. Whats not to like in a promising 21 year old OL who started at a major college program?

He does not have good anchor strength. I watched him play closely and he gets knocked back on contact. He also has awful feet, DTs will expose him crossing his face and swimming over him.

When is the last time a mid to late round OL draft pick (or UDRFA) did anything for the Giants? It has been years.

With all of the linemen drafted, teams will be discarding vets and some of these young guys will be put on practice squads. They can pick up some depth then.

wouldn't think they'd bother with Slausen or similar. Think younger. Certainly not spending assets to trade for Joe Thomas or similar. Even Davis is a suspect investment option given his choosing to sit for a year.

JR doesn't have a clue as to the value of the O-line and he probably thinks MacAdoo was telling the truth when he said he likes Jerry and Newhouse.

They have got to fix the right side of this line or this won't be a good start for MacAdoo.

Still guys? Give it up.

Davis is not a giant to. Makes to much sense. He's not going to play for SF. From Jersey, giants need a RT. It will cost them a conditional pick. I think his contract is reasonable?

In comment 12940475 JonC said:

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wouldn't think they'd bother with Slausen or similar. Think younger. Certainly not spending assets to trade for Joe Thomas or similar. Even Davis is a suspect investment option given his choosing to sit for a year.

Davis is suspect, but I was surprised to see that he is still only 26 years old (turns 27 in October), so it's not like he wouldn't fit in with the youth movement. My concern is the cost, both trade-wise and contract-wise. The Niners are going to want more than a mid-round pick for a starting quality OT still in his prime and I imagine the whole point of him sitting out a year was because he was unhappy with his current contract.

So all those clamoring for Anthony Davis, would you be willing to give up a 2017 2nd or 3rd round pick and pay him $7M/year? For comparison sake, Mitchell Schwartz--who is actually 4 months older than Davis--recently signed a 5 year, $33M contract with 21M guaranteed.

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He does not have good anchor strength. I watched him play closely

I don't think you've watched shit. Your entire MO is to blow John Jerry and shit on anyone else. There isn't any watching or even any fucking knowledge on display, just a trolling obsession.

Give it a fucking rest. This is what, the 4th handle now?

in trouble. It's his 3rd year here, he makes big $$ and is injury prone. Would take approx $6mil cap $$ off the books, cost approx $1.6Mil dead money over 2016 and 2017

In comment 12940373 muhajir said:

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And Davis pleaseeeee (starts to sob)

I could live with Jerry if we adequately address RT. If you have 4 above average to very good OL and the weak link is Jerry (who is not absolute trash), that would be a plenty adequate line for Eli and this offensive system.

In comment 12940464 emobj999 said:

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In comment 12940458 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 12940393 emobj999 said: Quote: In comment 12940380 Chris684 said: Quote: And I am high on Bobby Hart. Flowers-Pugh-WR-Hart-Davis I get the feeling this staff really does like Jerry so if they go with him over Hart for another year so be it, but we need to upgrade RT. I guess it's also possible to acquire a LG and move Pugh back to RT but I don't think they want to do that. Why are you high on Hart? Is it the lack of strength? Is it the complete lack of athleticism and plodding feet? You lost all credibility when you said Hart lacked strength. That is his best quality. Whats not to like in a promising 21 year old OL who started at a major college program? He does not have good anchor strength. I watched him play closely and he gets knocked back on contact. He also has awful feet, DTs will expose him crossing his face and swimming over him.

I hate to be this way, but you're a moron. Get Jerry's cock out of your mouth already.

Just look at the OT that were drafted and read abut them - most are b/u players at best and few are NFL T. There really was not a lot out there, especially for those looking to upgrade RT now

There are plenty of vet G available to pick up: Vasquez, Evans, Grubbs, Slauson, Wendell, etc. I expect 1 of those to be brought in.

A vet swing T will break loose and will get scooped up. I think there are chances that Monroe, Saffold and Kalil will be cut

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Rashad Jennings salary cap info - ( New Window )

FWIW.

Agree on the two-pronged cost, and he would be a plug-in solution on paper. But, his commitment to football has been questioned more than once in the past, and it's so hard to determine how much want-to some of these kids possess, especially once they're handed a multi-year deal.

I am in agreement with those questioning the wisdom of acquiring Anthony Davis - he just seems to have an awful lot of questions and issues - and a lot of rust after taking a year off

But while Hart does have potential, based on how he played last year I would not call him a lock to be an upgrade over Jerry or Newhouse this year. Without Coughlin and having a new OL coach there may be plans in place that cover up our weak right side

It's not so much that they didn't draft an OL, but when you combine that with signing NO undrafted free agents. It really is shocking. I would have thought all of the top UDFA offensive linemen would have been dying to come here given we drafted no one and our questions on the offensive line. I honestly expected us to sign about 4-5 linemen after the draft.

just to minimize the risk of injury to the starters in the preseason. as it stands, the guys they have are going to have to play a lot...

reach if there's a better player there. But no UDFAs is a real shock. It's not like we brought in any decent prospects earlier. Those guys have been on numerous teams and hardly saw the field.

Is signing UDFA any better than the likes of previous UDFA currently on the 90 man roster

B. Jones, S. McDermott, Gettis, Farrell, Seymour, Rodgers, Stingley and Cleary that are currently on the roster

In comment 12940621 stretch234 said:

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Is signing UDFA any better than the likes of previous UDFA currently on the 90 man roster B. Jones, S. McDermott, Gettis, Farrell, Seymour, Rodgers, Stingley and Cleary that are currently on the roster

Possibly. That's why they sign UDFA's every year. You never know. There are a number of UDFA's they just signed who could make the team.

In comment 12940588 Eric from BBI said:

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It's not so much that they didn't draft an OL, but when you combine that with signing NO undrafted free agents. It really is shocking. I would have thought all of the top UDFA offensive linemen would have been dying to come here given we drafted no one and our questions on the offensive line. I honestly expected us to sign about 4-5 linemen after the draft.

well there's one - not NO

If they will now be in the mix for Jahri Evens ? I don't think he signed anywhere yet. I know Buffalo was interested .

Because John Jerry is such a huge talent that he can play two, even three OL positions at once at an All Pro level. More O linemen are wasted spaces on a roster that features John Jerry. <vbg>

Seriously, it is very, very strange. A couple of vets via cuts or trades must be almost a sure thing.

nailed it. It wasn't a coincidence we signed those guys prior to the draft. Seems like their advanced planning factored in the board falling the way it did or more simply.. they didn't like the fits for Solari's scheme.

Or it didn't.. and chaos prevailed.

I have a feeling they had their board stacked the way they wanted, with the guys in the rounds they wanted.. and signed those guys with the advanced notion of building the depth out with slightly older UFA's.

I wasn't in love with the depth out of round 2, and the talent at WR, CB, DT/Edge, S, LB prevailed.

So yes. A big ticket remains. Let's go Anthony, file your paypez at the league office.

Can't understand why so many TE wanted to sign after we drafted Adams and had 4 other TE already on the roster. If we had that many TE that we liked why did we draft Adams unless he was by far BPA? If we had a very small number of OL left with draftable grades but a bunch of TE you take OL in Round 6 then target the TE as UDFA

In comment 12940588 Eric from BBI said:

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It's not so much that they didn't draft an OL, but when you combine that with signing NO undrafted free agents. It really is shocking. I would have thought all of the top UDFA offensive linemen would have been dying to come here given we drafted no one and our questions on the offensive line. I honestly expected us to sign about 4-5 linemen after the draft.

Exactly what I was thinking. We know they have a lot of roster spots to fill and it's not like they are limited in picking up UDFAs really. It's really strange. Lot's of people saying they showed their hand and lost the guy they wanted in the 1st round. Well they are doing a good job of hiding what they are doing about the right side of the line. What also has me scratching my head is it's not like they have a lot of depth there either IMHO. Yes Pugh can move around but if he does, who's taking his LG position. Hart is currently backing up backups himself. I have a hard time believing they are counting on June 1st cuts so maybe it was all smoke and they are not as concerned about the right side of the line as we thought. Hell I don't get it.

Recap; They tried to get an OL several times before the draft. McAdoo has said it's still a work in progress. 6 draft picks and 15 UDFA picks later and still no OL.

But, they obviously felt/feel it doesn't make sense to waste a pick or time on guys who have no shot to start. I think if Stanley or Conklin made it to 10, we select them. They were likely put off by Tunsil's off field and on field (strength, work ethic, ability to sustain blocks) problems to invest in him being the day one starter and/or long term starter. I am fine with that.

Realistically, nobody selected in the 5th or 6th round or signed as an UDFA would be starting. They might even have a hard time sticking as depth. SO, why bother this year when there were a ton of needs? I have to agree with you that they must (they better) have some sights set on veterans likely to shake loose.

Outside of Apple, there really isn't another pick I would have sacrificed for an OL. At that, I didn't really want Tunsil. I have a strong feeling he will be a huge bust. So, I am 100% fine with not drafting an OL.

Adams, as tantalizing as he may be, work ethic issues are hard to overcome, as round 6 speaks volumes. I don't think he was targeted and believe Personnel views him as a gamble, albeit with significant upside.

I am getting the feeling that Pugh is moving back to RT and the Giants are figuring they have or can get serviceable guards. Purely speculation on my part; but Pugh has played RT and there don't seem to be any other plausible candidates, except Newhouse.

I was very sad.

are going to go into the minicamps to evaluate the OL with a wait and see Attitude. As teams start signing Draft picks more players will be released and ripe for a signing or 2.

was Anthony Davis' line coach at SF.. just saying.

In comment 12940376 Big Blue '56 said:

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but I have to think the Giants follow very closely what other teams do and don't do which leads to key pick-ups re cuts/discards..All teams do.. In this case, for example, they see WHO the Bears draft and figure that cap-wise, it makes sense to cut Slausen..This type of preparation would not be surprising..Same with the Davis situation in SF..Yes, there are other teams to contend with for these guys' services, but we have a nice amount of cash to use on players who can fit their needs even if for just 2-3 years

I don't see how signing one or two UDFA's wouldn't still make sense though? Why place all their eggs in one basket so to speak? There is still the chance who they are targeting either won't be cut or signs elsewhere if he is.

I actually thought they likley had a probable UDFA in mind and would use the argument that since he wouldn't be competing with anyone that was drafted they would have an edge signing him and maybe that's why they didn't use a low pick for OL. I guess not though.

In comment 12940991 Del Shofner said:

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I am getting the feeling that Pugh is moving back to RT and the Giants are figuring they have or can get serviceable guards. Purely speculation on my part; but Pugh has played RT and there don't seem to be any other plausible candidates, except Newhouse.

Where is that coming from? It seems like they couldn't wait to get Pugh inside to LG, where they thought he was best suited. He responded with a very good season inside and did nicely filling in briefly at LT. Why would you move him back to RT, which clearly is not his best position?

I would be amazed if the team allowed this season to go into the tank because we didn't address the right tackle position, to me its the biggest missing ingredient we have on the team .

In comment 12940991 Del Shofner said:

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I am getting the feeling that Pugh is moving back to RT and the Giants are figuring they have or can get serviceable guards. Purely speculation on my part; but Pugh has played RT and there don't seem to be any other plausible candidates, except Newhouse.

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That is not happening, wish people would stop trying
to move Pugh back to tackle.

In comment 12941541 RAIN said:

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was Anthony Davis' line coach at SF.. just saying.

That's nice, but Davis is sitting out the season,
haven't heard Davis say otherwise?

I would take him over Jerry in a heartbeat, and keep Jerry
around as a backup. I don't get the Bobby Hart love,
but whatever. Slausen played well last season, and only
made about 2.5 mill. How about a two year deal in the 5Mill.
range, with about 1.5 mill. GTD.
Somebody will grab the guy.