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NYGNYY : 5/2/2016 12:57 pm
With No Draft selection or even FA signings to fix the Right Side of Oline they must know something or are up to something ?
Not addressing the debacle of Jerry and Newhouse returning as Starters is just mind boggling thinking they can protect Eli or close out games like last year running the ball with a 10 point lead.
See the Anthony Davis thread  
Roto Wizard : 5/2/2016 12:58 pm : link
Below. Thanks.
RE: See the Anthony Davis thread  
jcn56 : 5/2/2016 12:59 pm : link
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Below. Thanks.


The source of that Anthony Davis thread is slightly less reliable than Incarcerated Bob.
And also being discussed here...  
Canton : 5/2/2016 1:00 pm : link
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They're much more confident in Newhouse than we are  
JonC : 5/2/2016 1:00 pm : link
and they're waiting to see if a RT gets cut.
Newhouse  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2016 1:02 pm : link
gets shit on repeatedly here and I'm not sure why. We've had far worse options. He held up OK last season - not a debacle by any means.
RE: Newhouse  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/2/2016 1:07 pm : link
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gets shit on repeatedly here and I'm not sure why. We've had far worse options. He held up OK last season - not a debacle by any means.


BBI is apoplectic about an offensive line that held up enough to support a top 10 offense in multiple categories.

They all held up okay last season, but if you believe the offensive line is bad like many here do, then Newhouse would accurately be called the weakest link. He doesn't specialize in any one area. Even John Jerry, you'd be comfortable with strictly in pass protection.
A relatively young (28-30?) vet O-lineman  
Beezer : 5/2/2016 1:09 pm : link
is going to shake loose from a roster somewhere.

And what JonC said about current personnel.

The coaches probably don't have the same take on a few of these guys, saying "he sucks" because he's young and raw.
The right side of our line  
Johnny5 : 5/2/2016 1:14 pm : link
Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.
Sign Slauson  
averagejoe : 5/2/2016 1:16 pm : link
and one problem is solved. Trade or wait for a vet RT to be cut and sign him. A lot easier to find vet OL . I think this is why none were drafted.
RE: They're much more confident in Newhouse than we are  
JohnVB : 5/2/2016 1:17 pm : link
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and they're waiting to see if a RT gets cut.


That's not necessarily true. They tried to address OL in FA. The value wasn't there in the draft. Just bc they didn't force a pick doesn't mean they're confident in Newhouse.
Giants haven't addressed RG  
emobj999 : 5/2/2016 1:19 pm : link
Because it needs no addressing.

They knew who their RG is before the offseason began.

RE: Sign Slauson  
emobj999 : 5/2/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12941046 averagejoe said:
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and one problem is solved. Trade or wait for a vet RT to be cut and sign him. A lot easier to find vet OL . I think this is why none were drafted.



Slauson is a LG, if u sign him u have to move Pugh to RT
RE: The right side of our line  
Fish : 5/2/2016 1:20 pm : link
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.


The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.
RE: The right side of our line  
emobj999 : 5/2/2016 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12941040 Johnny5 said:
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.


The RBs having zero wiggle, lateral agility, and speed makes the OL look worse.

Paul Perkins immediately improves the running game.
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emobj999 : 5/2/2016 1:22 pm : link
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.



The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.



Bingo.

The RBs themselves were the problem.

Giants had the slowest collection of RBs in the league.

Paul Perkins is a true WCO runner, and fits the blocking style of our OL
JohnVB  
JonC : 5/2/2016 1:26 pm : link
I've addressed this multiple times, and sometimes I glean over repeating myself. In short, yes they tried via UFA because they'd like to upgrade RT.

But, they were also quite content in the end to fall back on Newhouse rather than spend or overspend. I wouldn't put great weight in their UFA attempts, they weren't out there trying to acquire a big name as BBI tends to hope.

We did not run the ball great...  
Doomster : 5/2/2016 1:32 pm : link
Fish : 1:20 pm : link : reply
The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.

Jennings looked good because he was well rested, going up against what? Meaningless last game against the Eagles?

This oL could not convert 3rd and short, time after time when it had to, to keep drives alive....
Folks need to calm down about this  
BillT : 5/2/2016 1:34 pm : link
I've been talking about the need for a new RT as much as anyone but you have to look at the overall picture as well. This offseason was a home run for the Giants. FA and the draft yielded a huge number of talented players. We have a rebuilt DL and secondary, a very good new WR, a couple of new LB, and additional talent at FB, RB and TE. There may or may not be an upgrade at RT but you can be sure they'll be trying their best just like they've done almost everywhere else. How about some credit where credit is due.
+1  
JonC : 5/2/2016 1:36 pm : link
Funny to watch three needs addressed in the first three draft picks, and still posters were yelling about why no OT.
let's hope so. Newhouse JAG, but could be serviceable  
Victor in CT : 5/2/2016 1:43 pm : link
is they get better RG play (Hart maybe??? Please?) AND a TE who can block.
Why  
oldog : 5/2/2016 1:54 pm : link
no OT? Panic, panic, PANIC.
I would play Pugh at RT  
JPinstripes : 5/2/2016 2:01 pm : link
And try to find a LG. Pugh is talented and can play anywhere on the line except C and play well.
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Mason : 5/2/2016 2:01 pm : link
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.



The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.




Bingo.

The RBs themselves were the problem.

Giants had the slowest collection of RBs in the league.

Paul Perkins is a true WCO runner, and fits the blocking style of our OL


WCO runner, smh.

Kudos to your trolling and being allowed to keep it up so long on here. Not even mad at this point.
RE: I would play Pugh at RT  
Del Shofner : 5/2/2016 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12941166 JPinstripes said:
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And try to find a LG. Pugh is talented and can play anywhere on the line except C and play well.


That is what I was thinking as well. Sign Slauson for LG and move Pugh to RT.
Not necessarily  
ghost718 : 5/2/2016 2:03 pm : link
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emobj999 : 5/2/2016 2:24 pm : link
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.



The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.




Bingo.

The RBs themselves were the problem.

Giants had the slowest collection of RBs in the league.

Paul Perkins is a true WCO runner, and fits the blocking style of our OL



WCO runner, smh.

Kudos to your trolling and being allowed to keep it up so long on here. Not even mad at this point.


Compared to a poor man's LeSean McCoy and Jamaal Charles.

Both WCO RBs for Andy Reid.

Perkins is in that mold.

Pointing out that Perkins is a true WCO RB isn't trolling, it's being correct.
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Giants2012 : 5/2/2016 3:47 pm : link
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Could not run block worth shit last year. It was horrid.

But who knows? There are a lot of variables here, not the least of which is a new OL coach. Clearly they are working Hart hard at RT. Jerry and Hart have both been joining Richburg in training with LeCharles Bentley. Maybe the new OL coach is happy enough with what he sees out of the combo of Jerry and Hart, with Newhouse as the backup... and with Reese etc. having an eye on a vet shaking free that they can add later.



The last 4 or 5 games of season we ran the ball great. Jennings put up monster numbers. Same OLine. Less andre Williams was the key.




Bingo.

The RBs themselves were the problem.

Giants had the slowest collection of RBs in the league.

Paul Perkins is a true WCO runner, and fits the blocking style of our OL


It's about reading blocks and being patient not running fast into a wall.
Slauson is a good Guard  
The_Taxman : 5/2/2016 3:55 pm : link
I would try to sign him. I know he's played mostly LG and C, but why wouldn't he be able to make the move to RG so we could keep Pugh at LG, which I think is his best position.
What about all those 2 or 3 guys they signed before the draft  
DavidinBMNY : 5/2/2016 8:02 pm : link
Seems like everyone discounted them.
RE: Folks need to calm down about this  
drkenneth : 5/2/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12941089 BillT said:
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I've been talking about the need for a new RT as much as anyone but you have to look at the overall picture as well. This offseason was a home run for the Giants. FA and the draft yielded a huge number of talented players. We have a rebuilt DL and secondary, a very good new WR, a couple of new LB, and additional talent at FB, RB and TE. There may or may not be an upgrade at RT but you can be sure they'll be trying their best just like they've done almost everywhere else. How about some credit where credit is due.


Well done.
RE: Slauson is a good Guard  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12941601 The_Taxman said:
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I would try to sign him. I know he's played mostly LG and C, but why wouldn't he be able to make the move to RG so we could keep Pugh at LG, which I think is his best position.


Footwork is tricky making that switch. Your drive and plant feet are different. The muscle memory in your hips and shoulders are different. Unless you have done it your whole career, it's a tough change to make.
RE: RE: Slauson is a good Guard  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2016 8:15 pm : link
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I would try to sign him. I know he's played mostly LG and C, but why wouldn't he be able to make the move to RG so we could keep Pugh at LG, which I think is his best position.



Footwork is tricky making that switch. Your drive and plant feet are different. The muscle memory in your hips and shoulders are different. Unless you have done it your whole career, it's a tough change to make.


A good way to understand it is to shovel 10-15 feet of snow with your usual hand placement, then stop and shovel the rest of the job with your hand placement reversed. Not nearly as physical as being an NFL Guard, but the mechanics as well as the additional focus you have to have on the task are fairly tall hurdles.
Leave Pugh at LG.  
arcarsenal : 5/2/2016 8:17 pm : link
That's his best spot and where he's going to play long-term. We don't need to keep jerking him around. I'm not a Newhouse fan but if we have to roll with him I don't think it's going to wreck our offense. Reese is probably keeping a close eye on cuts as well.
RE: Leave Pugh at LG.  
David in LA : 5/2/2016 9:19 pm : link
In comment 12942079 arcarsenal said:
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That's his best spot and where he's going to play long-term. We don't need to keep jerking him around. I'm not a Newhouse fan but if we have to roll with him I don't think it's going to wreck our offense. Reese is probably keeping a close eye on cuts as well.


We don't need to do to Pugh what we did to Kiwanuka. Let him plant his flag at one position and develop from there.
The plan is  
Glover : 5/2/2016 11:52 pm : link
to not get worse on the O line by bringing in free agents. I can't explain why not even a single UFA on the o line, but I hope you are right about them being up to something.
2 questionables and 9 other guys to compete. I hope that constitutes being "up to something".
It is an oddity. Maybe a just a statistical anomily  
KeoweeFan : 5/3/2016 12:28 am : link
like no OL or DL in the draft.
But even if they "have a plan" for another vet offensive lineman why would that prevent them from taking an UDFA? They still need quality depth and PS players. They've taken RBs, DBs and WRs even though they are deep with contenders at those positions.
I hope they come up with something  
Sonic Youth : 5/3/2016 12:53 am : link
but I find the way things fell was do to just a plan as opposed to a combination of doubling down on too many calculated risks at the expense of the O-line and then trying to bluff our way out by hoping we can pull something out of our ass.

Actually that's not fair  
Sonic Youth : 5/3/2016 12:57 am : link
we have invested a good amount in the OL in draft picks, but I don't understand why they won't just finish the job.

I think the line of 08-10 shows that if you get a solid group of guys that where there can be general consistency and eventually replacing one every couple years towards the end, you can have one of the best lines in the league.

We're close to that, and Davis hits a really sweet spot of age and quality where he can be part of a group that grows together, even if he's the first one that has to be replaced.

He's from the area and actually went to not only Rutgers but Pway high school. He graduated my year and was at Rutgers with me for the same time period, so my friends from high school who played football with him and are his age have told me he has a strong connection/friends/family to/in the area. and I tend to believe that his problems are more with the Niners than football itself.

Newhouse is OK in pass pro but not much of a run blocker  
Vanzetti : 5/3/2016 3:28 am : link
I think most of those who see RT as a huge need are the ones who want the Giants to run the ball. Probably also those who did not want Coughlin to go.

And I'm not knocking them. A lot of very intelligent posters hold that view. I just don't think they have quite accepted fully that the Giants are a WC offense predicated on the short passing game. Newhouse is a lot better RT in a WC offense than he would be playing "Giants football."
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