anyone that makes it seem like the Giants got hoodwinked and missed out on their one target in the draft sounds like a fool.
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Reece is delusional with that statement or he never watches the games! They both stink!
How hard is it to spell the guy's last name correctly? It's one fucking syllable, and he's been here for almost a decade. You should be able to figure that out by now. I'm sure Reese never watches any games. Clown.
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Unless you are suggesting that everyone from this list would not have considered the Giants as a possible option as a RT. I don't believe you that a FT was not available in FA. There were plenty of tackles available in FA that would have been major upgrades over Newhouse.
Newhouse is depth. He was depth for the packers 3 years ago and he was depth for the bengals 2 years ago. And he was depth for the giants last year until Beatty was injured for the season.
So he should be depth again this year. I am not suggesting we might not fill the RT position eventually this offseason (maybe by a trade or a cut player). I am simply saying Newhouse cannot be your starting RT at the start of the season if you expect to have a solid right side of the offensive line. He is a 2nd string swing tackle that can sub in a little if there are injuries. That is it.
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Unless you are suggesting that everyone from this list would not have considered the Giants as a possible option as a RT. I don't believe you that a FT was not available in FA. There were plenty of tackles available in FA that would have been major upgrades over Newhouse.
Newhouse is depth. He was depth for the packers 3 years ago
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Is that right? Then why did he start for the Packers nearly every game at LT for 2 straight seasons?
But you got to live with the fact the Giants weren't going to take on risk at 10.
Some people are REALLY not ready to accept that.
If Ozzie Newsome passed on the guy, I don't know how anyone else can get raked over the coals for passing too. BTW, I definitely would've drafted Tunsil, but I've accepted the fact that they weren't going to.
there were lots of folks (even me) who wanted Reese to trade up to get Jack. Well, a 4th rounder probably would have been in that package, maybe even a 3rd considering teams had all the leverage. We took 2 possible starters with those picks, with no injury history.
Is that right? Then why did he start for the Packers nearly every game at LT for 2 straight seasons?
it is right. He did start for the packers for two straight seasons. Then they benched him for his last year there and then the most telling sign is they let him go during FA.
Why let go of a young offensive lineman if you think he is a good? He signed a 1 year 800K deal with the bengals so it wasn't $$ that the Packers and Bengals got rid of him for.
This isn't a knock on Newhouse. He is a good swing backup tackle to have since he has experience at both positions. But he is not a starting caliber tackle in this league. I am not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.
One of the most intelligent calls I heard on WFAN in awhile Â
Of course there are guys on that list better thank Newhouse. They signed elsewhere. Doesn't mean we didn't make an effort.
They dont HAVE to play for the Giants, you know?
100% agree. But we also don't know if Jerry has put a lot of effort into signing a tackle either you know?
Jerry does have a history of ignoring some weaknesses on this team for long periods of time. Saying Reese has made all the right decisions recently would be an overstatement we haven't made the playoffs in 4 straight years. Obviously we haven't been doing something right. I am not putting all the blame on Reese or Coughlin or the Players. But it is a combined effort. Reese does need to draft better and address a lot more holes. I think he has done a much better job of that. I'm just saying from what I saw of Newhouse last year we will be in trouble if he is starting game 1 for us a RT. He just isn't good enough.
anyone that makes it seem like the Giants got hoodwinked and missed out on their one target in the draft sounds like a fool.
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Exactly. Thank you.
Seems like a different approach to the running game and TEs now Â
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
I dont think Cooper is more than a ST guy at best.
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
Maybe Mitchell Schwartz didn't want to play here. Â
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
Schwartz was certainly looking for more money than the Giants Â
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
Schwartz was snapped up before we could even make our big signings. We never had a chance, imo
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
RE: RE: Maybe Mitchell Schwartz didn't want to play here. Â
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Thank you, though I wouldn't mind an upgrade. To this point, the Giants don't seem too concerned..So many other matters to address and they have done a good job there, imo
RE: RE: RE: Maybe Mitchell Schwartz didn't want to play here. Â
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
My read on Donald Penn is that he played us for leverage.
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Reb, we need to earmark some money for the looming Odell extension Â
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
The worst are the posters who think this is an uncapped league and we can afford to utilize all of our cap space and premium picks towards the OL. It's simply not a reality when so much of the cap goes towards the QB. You have to spend wisely.
RE: One can walk a chew gum at the same time..... Â
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Yeah, how crazy to talk negatively about a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years. The audacity!
the beginning of FA. A strong offer early on might have convinced him to sign
I don't believe he made one visit during FA. It's all conjecture at this point. We do know that we made arrangements for him to visit, and it just never happened.
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Sounds like they are going to be active in signing released vets.
I get the same feeling. Anyone who says it sounds like the right side is set, I don't believe was listening to the interview. It is certainly possible but Jerry said that we'd be seeing a lot of what we just saw the Bears do. A lot of good o linemen being released as the new guys come in and add to the depth charts.
According to the interview, he doesn't seem set on o line at all. I truly believe he is waiting for a good veteran to be released.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
I'm not suggesting PFF ratings are always accurate and base my opinion solely on there reporting but this really doesn't bode well for Newhouse...
While the Giants didn’t break the bank for Newhouse, they probably should have more thoroughly explored other options. He has posted a negative grade in all but one game this season, had the 10th-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.9) among qualified OTs, and has been equally poor as a run blocker (33.4 run blocking grade, 33.2 pass blocking grade).
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Poor choice of words by me, my apologies. By that, I meant that they were not able to procure a starter for the right side of the OL. It happens. You're acting like they are unaware it's a weakness.
Believe it or not, not every NFL team is stacked. Like others above have stated, it sure sounds like they will add another OL via a cut.
They just need to solid vet RG or RT to pair with Hart. They don't need Orlando Pace.
It would have been nice. They can still get one. I would hope they are inquiring about Davis. The niners should be lucky to get anything at all for him. If they Giants got Davis, I think that would easily upgrade not only the OL but the entire offense.
We've added a ton of pieces to this team, yet people focus on the RT, yet ignore how much, MUCH better this team is now at DL, LB, CB, S, WR, TE, & RB. It's better in almost every fucking way. The OL should be better based on consistency, Flowers/Pugh/Richburg/Hart should all be better players. They need one player on the OL. It isn't crazy to think a vet shakes loose.
OL isn't the mess BBI thinks it is.
Take a step back once in a while. Again, this isn't 1985.
Every team has holes.
a decent blocking TE would go a long way toward helping the Â
but I have to respond to the Marshall Newhouse is only depth and can't be your starting right tackle posts. He has started 50 of 76 games he has played in his career. yes he's in the bottom third of the league, but no he is not a disaster waiting to happen. And as to the Eagles game where he proved he allegedly was a disaster, if you're talking about the first game, Flowers was abused as much if not more in that game and in the second game we put up 30 points against the Eagles with him at right tackle. We are not going to lose games this year where we put up 30 points.
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
yes, let's settle for mediocrity. actually...less.
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
These people simply want to bitch and simply can't see the truth if it were right in front of them. Even if we assume Newhouse is the 20th best RT, if the rest of the line is good he does not make the line bad.
As far as Jerry is concerned the posters simply refuse to admit that the guy is a very good pass blocker, he is garbage too, how can you even discuss that with them, they are clueless, so why bother.
I am confident that our OLine will be improved this season and confident that our team will be improved too, if we stay healthy we have a shot at making the post season, we need to stay healthy.
RE: a decent blocking TE would go a long way toward helping the Â
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
All I said was I don't think the bong video played as big a part in the Giants thinking as some are suggesting. I think the Giants had other concerns with tunsil. Who knows. I have a hard time believing that the video alone swayed their decision.
it's nice to know that the vested interests are alive and well on BBI.
I happen to think that mphbullet36 had the better of the debate on the merits, such as they are, regarding Newhouse and Jerry (and Hart, let's hope he is not the latest incarnation of Brewer).
However, just as Jerry said he's prepared to enter the season at (F)S with Behre, Cooper, Mykele, et al.--which seems like a truly stupid statement given their utter lack of playing time, competitive adequacy against NFL caliber personnel--boom, the 3rd Round pick (I think the weakest of the draft, and if Sy'56 has not proven his acumen by now, shame on the doubters, and it has Ross written all over it), I have to think, I must think, to preserve sanity, that a move is forthcoming on the OL right side, if not from SF, from somewhere.
And I think mphbullet36 made a nice distinction between "established pros" and starting caliber--not All Pro--but starting caliber.
TTH, I think an important post, i.e., that McAdoo is looking at schemes to fit the personnel and not forcing scheme on personnel, could be a significant adjustment. No indictment of Tom, but few here would insist he was not set in too many of his ways.
Francesa: The players you brought in this year, did that shape your draft, or did you stick close to value?
Reese: We are always conscious of what we do in FA, but when we go into the draft we look for the best player available at the time for us to pick in the draft. The best player available, and if we can tie some need in there, that's abonus for us.
Maybe one of these years this sinks in and we can move on from the "Reese is a need drafter" nonsense.
Where the fuck did I ever say settle for mediocrity.
Who are all these FA RT that are that much better than Newhouse that were available. Schwartz got 20M guaranteed - 3 times more than the next FA RT. You sign that, it effects Pugh, Richburg and Flowers going forward.
Okung and other LT's did not want RT money. Exactly 2 FA RT got multi year deals. D. Penn got 12M for 2 years with 1/2 Guaranteed.
What OT other than maybe Decker was getting picked and playing RT.
is not a good tackle. Some people are drawing bad conclusions based on the lack of activity at RG/RT.
First, both Jerry/Newhouse are making vet min deals and entering the last year of their respective deals. Money talks in this business and that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of the players. If they're so solid, why not extend them to a team friendly deal? That's Reese's way and I'm sure those marginal talents would appreciate the security.
Second, just because Reese makes a comment to the effect that Jerry/Newhouse are solid pros, doesn't mean he thinks they're good players. What do you expect him to say? They're below average starters but we didn't have any other options? Of course he's going to protect his players with class. That's the Giants way.
Lastly, there weren't many options in FA or the draft to upgrade the right side. They expressed interest in Osemele and a few other guys, but they were priced out after what they spent on the defensive side. After Stanley/Conklin, no one really made sense in the draft. That's ok, I think they had a great FA/draft and improved the team everywhere but the right side. Reese tried to plug all of the holes and came pretty damn close.
Anyone who thinks Reese is happy with the right side and willing to stand pat going forward based on how this off-season has transpired is being foolish. I'd be willing to bet Reese looks to upgrade the right side in FA next year and/or the draft. He may even add a vet or two to compete before the season officially kicks off.
to believe the Giants front office settled for mediocrity this off-season. We rebuilt the pass rush which was non-existent last year, we vastly improved the secondary, we added a couple of potential weapons during the draft and we purged the roster of a number of players who either failed to develop or were on the sidelines hurt too often.
Just because you believe the offensive line is a disaster and should have been our number 1 priority, doesn't make it so.
Long, one of fasted players at combine.
"Plug and play" player
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Plays bigger than 5'10.
Not just a slot guy. McAdoo thinks he is outside player, not just slot.
Can play all 3 positions. Hard hitter. Run stopper first, has some cover acumen.
Will make us faster and tougher on specials.
All of our picks are available to play STs.
very prodcive back.
"Ultra productive at big program"
I like that
Will continue to look for OL help.
Thanks for pitching in.
Shit got real this week for NYG
"They are solid pros, we will continue to look to improve everywhere"
Talking up Hart as G or T, expect him to compete
I'd be the same way. Lot of stupid out there (and in here)
JR has many words, very little meanings though.
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
Sounds like they are going to be active in signing released vets.
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Reece is delusional with that statement or he never watches the games! They both stink!
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Reece is delusional with that statement or he never watches the games! They both stink!
I guess you are too stupid to realize that what the say publicly and how they feel privately are two different things
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Reece is delusional with that statement or he never watches the games! They both stink!
How hard is it to spell the guy's last name correctly? It's one fucking syllable, and he's been here for almost a decade. You should be able to figure that out by now. I'm sure Reese never watches any games. Clown.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Unless you are suggesting that everyone from this list would not have considered the Giants as a possible option as a RT. I don't believe you that a FT was not available in FA. There were plenty of tackles available in FA that would have been major upgrades over Newhouse.
Newhouse is depth. He was depth for the packers 3 years ago and he was depth for the bengals 2 years ago. And he was depth for the giants last year until Beatty was injured for the season.
So he should be depth again this year. I am not suggesting we might not fill the RT position eventually this offseason (maybe by a trade or a cut player). I am simply saying Newhouse cannot be your starting RT at the start of the season if you expect to have a solid right side of the offensive line. He is a 2nd string swing tackle that can sub in a little if there are injuries. That is it.
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No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Unless you are suggesting that everyone from this list would not have considered the Giants as a possible option as a RT. I don't believe you that a FT was not available in FA. There were plenty of tackles available in FA that would have been major upgrades over Newhouse.
Newhouse is depth. He was depth for the packers 3 years ago
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Is that right? Then why did he start for the Packers nearly every game at LT for 2 straight seasons?
Some people are REALLY not ready to accept that.
If Ozzie Newsome passed on the guy, I don't know how anyone else can get raked over the coals for passing too. BTW, I definitely would've drafted Tunsil, but I've accepted the fact that they weren't going to.
Of course there are guys on that list better thank Newhouse. They signed elsewhere. Doesn't mean we didn't make an effort.
They dont HAVE to play for the Giants, you know?
Let's stop acting like a guy with baggage who is going to start at Guard for Miami was going to save this OL.
Is that right? Then why did he start for the Packers nearly every game at LT for 2 straight seasons?
it is right. He did start for the packers for two straight seasons. Then they benched him for his last year there and then the most telling sign is they let him go during FA.
Why let go of a young offensive lineman if you think he is a good? He signed a 1 year 800K deal with the bengals so it wasn't $$ that the Packers and Bengals got rid of him for.
This isn't a knock on Newhouse. He is a good swing backup tackle to have since he has experience at both positions. But he is not a starting caliber tackle in this league. I am not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.
Even Francesa was caught off guard and said well you pick who you pick.
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/tackle/
Of course there are guys on that list better thank Newhouse. They signed elsewhere. Doesn't mean we didn't make an effort.
They dont HAVE to play for the Giants, you know?
100% agree. But we also don't know if Jerry has put a lot of effort into signing a tackle either you know?
Jerry does have a history of ignoring some weaknesses on this team for long periods of time. Saying Reese has made all the right decisions recently would be an overstatement we haven't made the playoffs in 4 straight years. Obviously we haven't been doing something right. I am not putting all the blame on Reese or Coughlin or the Players. But it is a combined effort. Reese does need to draft better and address a lot more holes. I think he has done a much better job of that. I'm just saying from what I saw of Newhouse last year we will be in trouble if he is starting game 1 for us a RT. He just isn't good enough.
If one believes Thomas/area junc......
System will fit the players.
it is at the moment. That is what I'm hoping for assuming the compensation to the 9ers isn't outlandish.
Can separate on inside and outside
"Has big mitts"
Plays big.
Can use all guys outside.
On Flowers: Had one of toughest jobs. Long year for rookies, EF did a not job, having nice offseason
Adams will get after you as a blocker, will draw attention in middle of field.
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Exactly. Thank you.
Maybe it won't just be heavily reliant on old school power sets.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
When asked about Rolle. Said he was a leader but would like to give the young safeties reps.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
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but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
I dont think Cooper is more than a ST guy at best.
You have no idea how hard I've lobbied for your sticky. Emails, texts,,phone calls..Finally..
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You have no idea how hard I've lobbied for your sticky. Emails, texts,,phone calls..Finally..
Appreciate the support!
Caller: "I don't know, an OL, someone big"
Caller: "I don't know, an OL, someone big"
prob someone on this board.
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
well the Giants did cut his brother, so that prob wasnt a win
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
Look at who they were linked to. Okung, a first round bust his original team didn't want. That's it.
It tells you they weren't interested in this market.
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In comment 12941310 jeff57 said:
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
Schwartz was snapped up before we could even make our big signings. We never had a chance, imo
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
Hitdog also said he didn't know Apple was on the radar, so maybe he doesn't get every bit of information?
BTW, not knocking hitdog, he's been amazing this offseason providing us with scoops.
Thank you, though I wouldn't mind an upgrade. To this point, the Giants don't seem too concerned..So many other matters to address and they have done a good job there, imo
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
My read on Donald Penn is that he played us for leverage.
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
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You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
The worst are the posters who think this is an uncapped league and we can afford to utilize all of our cap space and premium picks towards the OL. It's simply not a reality when so much of the cap goes towards the QB. You have to spend wisely.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
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You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Yeah, how crazy to talk negatively about a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years. The audacity!
I don't believe he made one visit during FA. It's all conjecture at this point. We do know that we made arrangements for him to visit, and it just never happened.
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Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Sounds like they are going to be active in signing released vets.
I get the same feeling. Anyone who says it sounds like the right side is set, I don't believe was listening to the interview. It is certainly possible but Jerry said that we'd be seeing a lot of what we just saw the Bears do. A lot of good o linemen being released as the new guys come in and add to the depth charts.
According to the interview, he doesn't seem set on o line at all. I truly believe he is waiting for a good veteran to be released.
I'm not suggesting PFF ratings are always accurate and base my opinion solely on there reporting but this really doesn't bode well for Newhouse...
Marshall Newhouse, OT, Giants (two years, $3 million, 32.9 overall grade)
While the Giants didn’t break the bank for Newhouse, they probably should have more thoroughly explored other options. He has posted a negative grade in all but one game this season, had the 10th-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.9) among qualified OTs, and has been equally poor as a run blocker (33.4 run blocking grade, 33.2 pass blocking grade).
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
He was sacked 27 times, tied for 4th least in the entire league.
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many times was Eli sacked last year?
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
He was sacked 27 times, tied for 4th least in the entire league.
do you think that was due to more of our west coast offense and how quickly we get rid of the ball or how good our offensive line was last year?
I will take the former rather than the latter.
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Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Poor choice of words by me, my apologies. By that, I meant that they were not able to procure a starter for the right side of the OL. It happens. You're acting like they are unaware it's a weakness.
Believe it or not, not every NFL team is stacked. Like others above have stated, it sure sounds like they will add another OL via a cut.
They just need to solid vet RG or RT to pair with Hart. They don't need Orlando Pace.
OL isn't the mess BBI thinks it is.
Take a step back once in a while. Again, this isn't 1985.
Every team has holes.
yes, let's settle for mediocrity. actually...less.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
As far as Jerry is concerned the posters simply refuse to admit that the guy is a very good pass blocker, he is garbage too, how can you even discuss that with them, they are clueless, so why bother.
I am confident that our OLine will be improved this season and confident that our team will be improved too, if we stay healthy we have a shot at making the post season, we need to stay healthy.
Jerrell Adams should be able to help out.
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right side. If Hart can grab the reins at RG and be even an average run blocker would solve the right side issue.
Jerrell Adams should be able to help out.
Let's hope. Sy56 is very high on him
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that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
All I said was I don't think the bong video played as big a part in the Giants thinking as some are suggesting. I think the Giants had other concerns with tunsil. Who knows. I have a hard time believing that the video alone swayed their decision.
Reese said Apple was their #1 "clean prospect"...
You think injuries scared them away, if not bong video?
I happen to think that mphbullet36 had the better of the debate on the merits, such as they are, regarding Newhouse and Jerry (and Hart, let's hope he is not the latest incarnation of Brewer).
However, just as Jerry said he's prepared to enter the season at (F)S with Behre, Cooper, Mykele, et al.--which seems like a truly stupid statement given their utter lack of playing time, competitive adequacy against NFL caliber personnel--boom, the 3rd Round pick (I think the weakest of the draft, and if Sy'56 has not proven his acumen by now, shame on the doubters, and it has Ross written all over it), I have to think, I must think, to preserve sanity, that a move is forthcoming on the OL right side, if not from SF, from somewhere.
And I think mphbullet36 made a nice distinction between "established pros" and starting caliber--not All Pro--but starting caliber.
TTH, I think an important post, i.e., that McAdoo is looking at schemes to fit the personnel and not forcing scheme on personnel, could be a significant adjustment. No indictment of Tom, but few here would insist he was not set in too many of his ways.
Reese: We are always conscious of what we do in FA, but when we go into the draft we look for the best player available at the time for us to pick in the draft. The best player available, and if we can tie some need in there, that's abonus for us.
Maybe one of these years this sinks in and we can move on from the "Reese is a need drafter" nonsense.
Who are all these FA RT that are that much better than Newhouse that were available. Schwartz got 20M guaranteed - 3 times more than the next FA RT. You sign that, it effects Pugh, Richburg and Flowers going forward.
Okung and other LT's did not want RT money. Exactly 2 FA RT got multi year deals. D. Penn got 12M for 2 years with 1/2 Guaranteed.
What OT other than maybe Decker was getting picked and playing RT.
First, both Jerry/Newhouse are making vet min deals and entering the last year of their respective deals. Money talks in this business and that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of the players. If they're so solid, why not extend them to a team friendly deal? That's Reese's way and I'm sure those marginal talents would appreciate the security.
Second, just because Reese makes a comment to the effect that Jerry/Newhouse are solid pros, doesn't mean he thinks they're good players. What do you expect him to say? They're below average starters but we didn't have any other options? Of course he's going to protect his players with class. That's the Giants way.
Lastly, there weren't many options in FA or the draft to upgrade the right side. They expressed interest in Osemele and a few other guys, but they were priced out after what they spent on the defensive side. After Stanley/Conklin, no one really made sense in the draft. That's ok, I think they had a great FA/draft and improved the team everywhere but the right side. Reese tried to plug all of the holes and came pretty damn close.
Anyone who thinks Reese is happy with the right side and willing to stand pat going forward based on how this off-season has transpired is being foolish. I'd be willing to bet Reese looks to upgrade the right side in FA next year and/or the draft. He may even add a vet or two to compete before the season officially kicks off.
-Posters who think it's 1985.
-Posters who think this is Madden.
-Posters who operate in reality and see big picture.
It's not 1985?
Just because you believe the offensive line is a disaster and should have been our number 1 priority, doesn't make it so.